well be in afghanistan until 2020. and again, three years ago, i was saying we didn't need to triple the number of troops. people say # said we would be out by 2012, 2014. i said 2014 means 2020. i suspect 2020 now may mean 22025. and it is very troubling. i think it is a big mistake. but chris, bottom line is, a lot of republicans aren't happy regardless of what the president does, just like democrats aren't happy regardless of what the republican commandener chief does. the world keeps turning, as my grand mom used to say. >> i don't want it think about what neocons happy because that means moving the united states military the middle east and be at war with any of the countries at any given moment. >> that's why they are happy. they freeze republicanes from speaking out, the way i'm speaking out tonight. the way george will has been speaking out. there are republicans that say to me privately they agree with me, that we didn't need to triple the number of troops. but they followed john mccain who followed by lindsay

and nato forces in afghanistan from pakistan into afghanistan. it looks like the president just had a brief little three-way photo opportunity with these leaders and no real substantive break through which is what the u.s. wanted with president zardari of pakistan. what are you hearing? >> what happened during the summit is president zardari of pakistan came hoping for a president with president obama. he didn't get that meeting, what he got instead was a quick opportunity to exchange words for the president and then a quick photo with president obama and with president karzai later today. he did not get that big meeting for precisely the reason you point out. he and his country did not come to terms with the u.s. on an agreement to open the supply routs back up for the u.s. to bring both troops and supplies in and out of the pakistani country, in and out of pakistan, because pakistan simply as my sources are saying, asking too much money for this. and so this is not going to be negotiated, u.s. sources are saying at a presidential level, it's go

and the president has left afghanistan. john, you know what it's like to travel with the president like this. you went to baghdad with president bush. from being on air force one, what is that like? >> it's a dicey ride in. perhaps they're overstaying the -- overstating the risk, but they want to be extra cautious with the president. you showed the pictures of this president's visit. it's a 747. has the united states stamped on the side. that big flag on the back. they advised president bush when i took that trip six years ago next month to baghdad, they advised the same thing to president obama. they rather have them take a plane that doesn't look any different. he wanted to take this to send a signal. president bush wanted to do that. i was recruited and just left the white house beat six years ago. they white house said would you do this on a secret basis. tell as few people as possible within the news organization. when you get on the plane, they tell you turn off all electronic devices, shut off the televisions, shut o

forces in afghanistan even in some if in a supportive capacity in afghanistan until 2024? >> i think what is fair to say is that we are on a very clear path to end the war and to end it responsibly, to transition to afghan control over the next year and a half first giving the control throughout the country next year and then full responsibility in 2014. after 2014 we are going to have an enduring partnership with the afghan people and the afghan government. what the substance is and the details and the nature of any security relationship is remains to be seen. there is no commitment to have troops in afghanistan beyond 2014. that chapter remains to be written. >> part of the entire white house national security team thanks for coming on this morning. >>> up next will the president's plan win over war weary americans. democratic senator joins me. still to come someone else is getting a vp audition today. could there be a new woman a romney's short list. first a look ahead on the president's schedule. going to land a little earlier than thought. should land just afternoon.

and afghanistan? >> well, wolf, president obama is moving very quickly across afghanistan during this visit for a very simple reason. as he tries to move ahead with this strategic partnership keeping the details of this trip secret is key to keeping the president safe. it doesn't get much riskier than sending the president of the united states into a war zone. president obama arrived into bagram air base, afghanistan, under cover of darkness with extraordinary security measures. reporters traveling with the president were sworn to secrecy. the secret service is prepared for anything that could happen. it starts with getting in. u.s. planes landing in afghanistan perform a corkscrew type landing making sharp banks and terms to avoid heat seeking missiles. the colonel knows first hand how dangerous it can be. now retired he told wolf blitzer about secretly taking george w. bush to baghdad in 2003 while combat raged. >> the challenge wasn't so much to get him in there because we easily fooled everybody a

president obama has arrived in afghanistan. he is meeting with afghanistan president hamid karzai. of course, this all comes on the one-year anniversary of the killing of osama bin laden. certainly this timing is not coincidental but president obama there to discuss the strategic partnership with the president of afghanistan, including the plan for withdrawal. >> and do you know anything or any detail yet about how this was carried out? because we knew absolutely nothing about it. the president clearly leaving the white house. i mean, i'm assuming that somebody must have known. what do we know about the detail of that? >> well, we know that of course, senior administration officials were aware of this plan. but the white house certainly keeping this a secret throughout the day for security reasons. we're all just learning it at this point in time, that the president has in fact landed. this is something we've seen in the past. remember when president bush visited, traveled overseas to a war zone back in 2003, it was also a secret. it wasn't announced until until he in fact cleared

the president in afghanistan. live speech tonight. 7:30 eastern time, prime time coverage this evening and chris matthews with you right now. >>> obama is the front. let's play "hardball."

afghanistan. what he said to the troops there and what he said to the american people about a half an hour ago. he just finished speaking. he's expected to leave just shortly after daybreak at bagram air base. reporters with the president were sworn to secrecy until in the zone. from there he quickly went by chopper to kabul, another war zone where him and president hamid karsai signed the strategic partnership agreement. it promises american support for afghanistan through 2024. ten years after the last american combat forces are scheduled to leave the country by the end of 2012. excuse me, 2014. the president made some brief remarks, then headed back to bagram for a rally with the troops. more than 130,000 men and women serve in afghanistan. the vast majority, about 90,000 are american right now. a short time later, about half an hour ago the president spoke to the united states laying out his vision for ending america's longest war. saying afghanistan is where the war began and where it will en

in afghanistan he's also the co-founder of a ride till the end and a member of iraq veterans against the war jim i want to thank you both for joining me tonight and so jacob i would like to start with you and just have you tell us a little bit more about sunday why you did what you did why you chose to take your medal and throw it in part take well i like many of the veterans of decided to do this. one for healing for ourselves to go through that authorises but at the same time to draw attention. to the many issues that are surrounding this whether it's veterans rights the heel or whether it's the people of afghanistan or the people of the united states we saw this as a way to kind of challenge the narrative of war and use our voice and actions to do that but you know we see a lot of veterans that go out there in the protests but you make it very personal where you take a service medal that you received for you know the brave deeds that you did out there and then you decided to rid yourself of it to throw it at the nato summit and so in that sense me what is that a sign of are you sa

troops be out of afghanistan. but then he outlined a ten-year framework, details to be negotiated during which the u.s. will have some sort of military and economic role in afghanistan. so it's a lot a work even though 20,000 or 25,000 more troops will be out this year. the u.s. will still have well over 60,000 troops on the ground in afghanistan in a very hostile, warlike environment. and there will be a lot of casualties, unfortunately, in the process. >> senior member of the senate armed services committee has said today clearly this trip is campaign related. we've seen recently president obama has visited college campuses to win back the support of that age group. similarly this trip to afghanistan is an attempt to shore up his national security credentials because he spent the past three years gutting our military. doug brinkley, do you think that is fair? this is just cheap politics? >> it's cheap politics. we have to pull together more as a country than looking at everything our commander in chief does and

invasion of afghanistan. the people of afghanistan on the mouse laws against that invasion that's why there were nearly eight million refugees in iran and pakistan and the resistance against the soviet union was bridgette to meet in the eyes of the afghan people that's why every afghan was there and fought our come back to this part again the american i live in afghanistan the refugees came back to afghanistan and millions of refugees came back to afghanistan all the jihadi leaders came back to afghanistan all the afghans who are just for. around the world came back to afghanistan the economic development of ghana's than was was much better during the spirit of the presence of the in need to in the united states was illegitimate and accepted by the international community and russia was part of that decision in the security council to send the forces don't forget so this is an entirely different question but when you speak of capacity building the american presence has brought us capacity building in economic

invasion of afghanistan. the people of afghanistan on the mouse laws against that invasion that's why there were nearly eight million refugees in iran and pakistan and the resistance against the soviet union was legitimate in the eyes of the afghan people that's why every afghan was there and fought our come back to this part again the american arrival in afghanistan the refugees came back to afghanistan millions of refugees came back to afghanistan all the jihadi leaders came back to afghanistan all the afghans who are just for. around the world came back to afghanistan the economic development of ghana's than was was much better during despaired at the presence of the in need to in the united states was illegitimate and accepted by the international community and russia was part of that decision in the security council to send the forces don't forget so this is an entirely different question but when you speak of capacity building the american presence has brought us capacity building get economic and educa

seek retrip to afghanistan. >> under a cloud of darkness president obama arrived in kabul afghanistan today on a trip shrouded in secrecy for security reasons. >> don't tell anyone. dammit, we just showed you. he is going to give a live speech and we'll cover that. and may day! may daye! occupy movement is back. [ shouting ] >> yeah that's not helpful. all right. we will tell you the bright side of the occupy movement as well. we're giving you the upbeat version of occupy. >> oh my god! >> everybody! [ horn honking ] >> we are here to occupy 7:00 and later 10:00. go time! ♪ >>> well president obama make a secret, secret trip to afghanistan. it was so secret we didn't know about it until this morning, and he is actually going to address the nation in 30 minutes. we will be covering it very special "young turks" coverage of that speech and give you analysis as always. but in the meanwhile, it is may day, may day. for a long time the occupy movement said they were going to do protests on may 1st, and they have. you are look at downtown los angeles and lucas is in that crowd there somew

>>shepard: new pictures of president obama meeting with the afghanistan president karzai in afghanistan. he are the two leaders just before we are told they signed a strategic partnership agreement on the way year marking of the death of osama bin« laden. in neighboring pakistan. this week the defense department reported that pakistan remains "a safe haven," for militants. bin laden was living with his family near pakistan's version of west point we are told before forces killed him there, some american lawmakers accused pakistani army of playing both sides. both with al qaeda. and the united states. which all of the evidence indicates is exactly what they were doing. and, now we are learning that pakistanis have not answered one tough question: did their security forces protect the world's most wanted terrorist? keep in mind the united states has given to pakistan, listen now, we have given to pakistan $22 billion in united states taxpayer money over the past decade. $22 billion. to pakistan. and now, like from the site of the former home in pakistan. dominic? >>reporter: some element

invasion of afghanistan. the people of afghanistan on the mouse laws against that invasion that's why they or nearly eight million refugees in iran and pakistan and the resistance against the soviet union was bridgette to meet in the eyes of the afghan people that's why every afghan was there and fought our come back to this part again the american i live in an afghanistan that if you just came back to afghanistan. millions of refugees came back to afghanistan all the jihadi leaders came back to afghanistan all the afghans who are just for. around the world came back to afghanistan the economic development of galveston was was much better during the spirit of the presence of the need to in the united states was illegitimate and accepted by the international community and russia was part of that decision in the security council to send the forces to afghan so this is an entirely different question but when you speak of capacity building the american presence has brought us capacity begin economic and education

invasion of afghanistan. the people of afghanistan on the mouse laws against that invasion that's why they or nearly eight million refugees in iran and pakistan and the resistance against the soviet union was bridgette to meet in the eyes of the afghan people that's why every afghan was there and fought our come back to this part again the american i live in afghanistan the refugees came back to afghanistan. millions of refugees came back to afghanistan all the jihadi leaders came back to afghanistan all the afghans who are just for. around the world came back to afghanistan the economic development of ghana's than was was much better during the spirit of the presence of the need to in the united states was illegitimate and accepted by the international community russia was part of that decision in the security council to send the forces so this is an entirely different question but when you speak of capacity building the american presence has brought us capacity building in economic and educational and socia

forces and other nato forces from afghanistan is good for afghanistan and good for our allied countries. today we discussed that. we have finalized plans. so 2014 will be a year in which the united states will not be spending as much money in afghanistan as it is spending today. it will save money and we will be providing security ourselves. >> but for another two and a half years until the end of 2014, there will be thousands of american troops in afghanistan. >> yes, yes. >> and that will be expensive. >> it will be expensive, like it was in the past ten years, but this is a commitment that the world community has made to the war on terror, to the security of the united states, to the security of the world and to the security of afghanistan. >> are you satisfied with this withdrawal schedule or is it too fast -- >> no, we are satisfied. >> are you ready to take over all of afghanistan by the end of 2014? >> absolutely. we have already worked out plan to have in six months' time 75% of the country taken over by afghan security forces. >> the new president of france wants all french tro

relations with afghanistan. we're back here on the "kudlow report" with our distinguished panel, p.j. crowley, barry mccaffrey, michael grimm, and senator coburn. senator coburn, at the end of the talk there was a reference to nation building in afghanistan. i couldn't think -- help think about your book the debt bomb in america. what kind of financial resources do we have here at home to help nation build in afghanistan abroad? >> i think most americans want to nation build here. and there's not going to be a marshal plan for afghanistan. we have to wait and see what's involved in this. the real question is, what's the greatest threat to our national security. is it al qaeda or our debt? and i would say it's our debt. in terms of what will take this country down is not al qaeda. it's spending money we don't have on things we don't need and creating the debt that will totally shackle our children. >> p.j. crowley, is our greatest threat al qaeda or our growing national debt which now exceeds gdp? >> they're both

afghanistan. the president will be telling us about the new strategic partnership agreement he has just signed with afghanistan's president outlining the relationship between the united states and afghanistan after the withdrawal of u.s. forces at the end of 2014. white house officials tell us the timing was driven by the negotiations over that agreement at an upcoming nato summit. critics will say it is about politics. everyone knows today is the anniversary of the raid in pakistan that killed osama bin laden. on the ground, do people there -- are they aware that president obama is on the ground? >> reporter: late in the afternoon the sun went down there was a report on afghan media suggesting that he was already in kabul. since then we have seen absolute silence across the city occasionally by helicopters and that is presumably some part of the president in and out of the capital. the speech we are about to hear in the next half hour i think will be cap suilated. there are two bits of the speech

troops in afghanistan. john, he also laid out hope that members of the taliban will cooperate. >> and that's part of the risk of this strategy. they have no choice but to bring the taliban into negotiations. that's a risk there. you're talking about people who invited al qaeda in to build those training camps, who have persecuted women, who have wreaked terror on afghan people for years and years. it's interesting. we talked during the break. we're at highly charged political times right now. what a quiet night it is. the republicans are holding their powder. they'll have questions about the timeline. ll have questions about where the devils in the details. and liberals almost silent. combat troops for two and a half more years. then some troops for another dozen years in afghanistan. it's interesting in a loud political environment it's quiet tonight

afghanistan is not just a taliban and afghan government. right now through this democratic process that actually united states and our allies ushered there, there is actually a genuine democratic movement. i'm not saying afghanistan is a democracy per se but there's a democratic movement. there are democratic force there is. there are people other than the pashtuns. they seem more marginalized yet they are not out of the game. they havele lies, india, iran, uzbekistan, in that order, are active in pursuing all alliances they had pre-2001. when we discussion reconciliation with the taliban, it's not just whether they accept the rules of the constitution but what role they will have, whether they become a dominant role or from within. to eliminate concerns of afghan, not just mr. karzai and the government but beyond that. it's not just the right of woman, which as important as it may be, unfortunately does not have security concerns. the other issue i will leave you with because i'm running out of time is the concern we just last night presid

invasion of afghanistan. the people of afghanistan on the mouse laws against that invasion that's why there were nearly eight million refugees in iran and pakistan and the resistance against the soviet union was bridgette to meet in the eyes of the afghan people that's why every afghan was there and fought our come back to this part again the american i live in afghanistan the refugees came back to afghanistan. millions of refugees came back to afghanistan all the jihadi leaders came back to afghanistan all the afghans who were just for. around the world came back to afghanistan the economic development of galveston was was much better during the spirit of the presence of the need to in the united states was illegitimate and accepted by the international community and russia was part of that decision in the security council to send the forces so this is a entirely different question but when you speak of capacity building the american presence has brought us capacity building can economic and educational and

invasion of afghanistan. the people of afghanistan on the mouse laws against that invasion that's why there were nearly eight million refugees in iran and pakistan and the resistance against the soviet union was legitimate in the eyes of the afghan people that's why every afghan was there and fought our come back to this part again the american i live in afghanistan the refugees came back to afghanistan. millions of refugees came back to afghanistan all the jihadi leaders came back to afghanistan all the afghans who were just for. around the world came back to afghanistan the economic development of ghana's than was was much better during the spirit of the presence of the need to in the united states was illegitimate and accepted by the international community russia was part of that decision in the security council to send the forces so this is a entirely different question but when you speak of capacity building the american presence has brought us capacity building in economic and educational and social se

and afghanistan at the time. and the other thing, of course, is the afghans are now saying absolutely publicly there will be no drones allowed to take off from afghanistan to target terrorists wherever, in pakistan or else where. this is also a big issue. >> huge issue. >> when the u.s. takes its forces out, it will rely increasingly as it has already on the drone strikes so that's an issue, if they can't take off. >> the number of drone strikes by the obama administration has skyrocketed compared to under the bush administration and peter bergen recounts in his new book the impact it's had on al qaeda, the fear that drone strikes has caused al qaeda, osama bin laden wrote about it himself. >> absolutely right but still the militants in pakistan we saw two weeks ago with the audacious attack some say came across from pakistan and penetrated the very heart of the government, didn't get to the palace in kabul but it did get to the parliament and the other, of course, issue is remember, we all remember when the unit

military personnel in afghanistan. all this happening on the first anniversary of the killing of osama bin laden. nick payton walsh is in kabul for us. set the scene for us. we know the rumors had been wild throughout the day in the afghan capital. we assume he's very secure inside that presidential balance has. but all of this was stop secret given the security precautions that are necessary to protect the president of the united states. first of all, tell our viewers what time it is in afghanistan and what's going on. >> we're just past midnight. about six hours ago, one of the leading tv stations broke the news. many immediately denied that. i heard from one afghan pishl that in fact presidential palace staff were asked to go home around about midday sparking rumors that there may be some sort of vip visit. as you say, he's been to bagram. and of course now on to the presidential palace in kabul where they should sign the partnership agreement. >> nick, stand by. gloria borger is with me. as we look at the video com

troops out of iraq in order to fight the real war in afghanistan and he's stayed in afghanistan he's now being forced to withdraw from afghanistan afghanistan has cost a lot and he's a big defeat for nato but on the back of nine eleven and where ever was the logic of invading afghanistan. because of the horrors of nine eleven there's been this massive increase in u.s. arms expenditure huge increase and expansion of nato and from the lisbon treaty a huge requirement on all nato member states to spend a great deal on nato supplied arms yet at the same time the majority of nato countries there are involved in afghanistan have small numbers and always drawing it's going to be britain and the usa that's left there till the end i'm sorry during buys not through the military expenditure in europe is one hundred or nine it went down dramatically after twenty five percent your british. got about eight percent you know this is not unlikely her expenditure. when i'm sure we have the right story john before we go to the regular had it the united states accounts for about seventy five percent of

we must give afghanistan the opportunity to stabilize. otherwise, our gains could be lost and al qaeda could establish itself once more. as commander in chief, i refuse to let that happen. i recognize that many americans are tired of war. as president, nothing is more wrenching tho ining than signin to a family of the fallen or looking into the eyes of a child that will grow out without a mother or father. i will not keep americans in harm's way a single day longer than is absolutely required for our national security. but we must finish the job we started in afghanistan and end this war responsibly. >> president also spoke directly to the u.s. troops, calling them the new greatest generation, with the war raging, the president warned there will be more violence to come. >> i could not be prouder of you. and i want you to understand i know it's still tough, i know the battle's not yet over. some of your buddies are going to get injured. and some of your buddies may get killed. and there's going to be hea heartbreak and pain and difficulty

and the president has left afghanistan. john, you know what it's like to travel with the president on a trip like this. you went to baghdad with president bush. from being on air force one, what is that like? >> it's a dicey ride in. perhaps they're overstaying the risk, but they want to be extra cautious with the president. you showed the pictures of this president's visit. you see air force one. it's a 747. has the united states stamped on the side. the big flag on the back. they advised president bush when i took that trip to baghdad, they advised president obama the same thing. they'd rather he take a nondescript military plane, the type that flies in at these military bases that doesn't look any different. he wanted to take this to send a signal. i was recruited and just left the white house beat six years ago. they white house said would you do this on a secret basis. tell as few people as possible within the news organization. they tell you turn off all electronic devices, shut off the televisions, shut off the l.e.d

obviously, an important meeting because a central focus of the summit will be on afghanistan and afghanistan's future. so the first meeting of the day appropriately is going to be with president karzai of afghanistan. the president will then move into various, a series of nato immediatings. initial meeting with just the nato allies at 28. that evening, on sunday evening, the nato allies will meet at soldier field for a working dinner and that will be leaders plus one adviser. on monday morning, the summit will continue at mccormick place with discussions on afghanistan and this will be a broader meeting. this will be the nato countries plus the 22 non-nato afghan troop, or non-nato troop contributing countries in afghanistan. and the second formal meeting on monday will be a -- ap session with key partners we had in various projects around the world with nato. i want to talk about nato alliances for a second and then talk about afghanistan and then i'll take your questions. the united states and nato -- nato is a cornerstone alliance for the united states in terms of its ability to advance its

troops out of iraq in order to fight the real war in afghanistan and he's stayed in afghanistan he's now being forced to withdraw from afghanistan afghanistan has cost a lot and he's a big defeat for nato but on the back of nine eleven and where ever was the logic of invading afghanistan. because of the horrors of nine eleven there's been this massive increase in u.s. arms expenditure huge increase and expansion of nato and from the lisbon treaty a huge requirement on all nato member states to spend a great deal on nato supplied arms yet at the same time the majority of nato countries there are involved in afghanistan have small numbers and always drawing it's going to be britain and the usa that's left there till the end i'm sorry during buys not through the military expenditure in europe is one hundred or nine it went down dramatically after twenty five percent your british. got about eight percent you know this is not unlike reserve expenditure. i'm sure we have the right story at john before we go to the regular guy to the united states accounts for about seventy five percent of

afghanistan for the television. down to 2,009 when i was down there it was an incredibly dangerous place, u.s. stryker brigades lost a number of individuals. if you go there now, the security situation is so much better now based largely not on the huge american footprint but a much better local police presence and the national police presence that stabilizes much of the district and kept it that way for now going on three years, so i ruse there has been a range of areas across the key parts of this house where we have seen that, then partially push velt and stayed out. now you are right plan now whether that will be the case the next two or three or four years. >> host: into strategic pause on their part are they waiting in dhaka and pakistan. let's talk about pakistan. every time the u.s. has turned up the heat on militants in afghanistan they've gone next door according to the intelligence reports that had been described to me. >> guest: i would put it differently. i would say one thing that is consistent over th

afghanistan, indeed, mr. president, they're looking forward to an end and the transformation of the decade. there is the founding of the governments in the country. they have taken steps for self- reliance. afghanistan would be collecting the old revenues. in the meantime that the world community, and the allies in nato, to make sure that we are backed by the steps of 2024. this will be largely defending itself. mr. president, they have turned a new page, and the new page is working together. there is the security, i am bring you and the people of the united states, with with the taxpayers' money has provided. with the business of the afghan government. and the government of afghanistan and the task ahead. what they need to do, we'll have this off the table. thank you. >> thank you. thank you. i will have a press conference. >> president obama spoke in chicago, about the agenda of the two-day meeting. speaking first is anders rasmussen. this is about 10 minutes. >> leadies and gentlemen. the 25th nato summit.

so afghanistan is a great case. marines have been pulled out of afghanistan-- or at least the numbers have decreased-- and where they v they shown up now? australia. it's a reflection of a rising... response to a rising china. i think we've got to be really careful here that we keep focused on where the threats to the homeland are coming from. >> rose: and they're still coming from... well, the reason for the shift to china had everything to do with relationships with people who are neighbors in china as much as sending a support to them as much as it did to fearing i assume some direct chinese military threat? >> that's true. still if that is where the... what is called in department of defense lingo "rebalancing" if it means shifting too many resources away from... take nigeria. we've now seen the rise in capabilities of boca haar ram with the osama bin laden documents we now know that bin laden was in touch with the boca haaram leaderships as early as 2009. so this is a concerning development. in somalia we have

i millions of refugees came back to afghanistan all the jihadi leaders came back to afghanistan all the afghans who were doused for. around the world came back to afghanistan the economic development of galveston was was much better doing despaired at the presence of the need to in the united states was illegitimate and accepted by the international community and russia was part of that decision in the security council to send the forces to afghan so this is an entirely different question but when you speak of capacity building the american presence has brought us capacity building in economic and educational and social sectors to serve its presence in afghanistan at the time brought us capacity in military build up. they did very well with us when the soviet union lift afghanistan afghanistan had more than four hundred fifty planes of all types helicopters fighter jets and a great capacity and thousands of times in armored vehicles so induct spoke the soviet union was a formidably strong strong ally and it also trained towels and thousands of afghan in different walks of life there ame

, and once the soviets left afghanistan, american interest in afghanistan really almost just returns to the default mode of disinterest which is where it had been for the fair part of the previous generation. remember, too, that the united states wasn't actually in afghanistan. the united states, mainly the stuff that was being run in afghanistan, was being run by the pakistani government, and the pakistani government was getting support and aid and assistance and advice from the united states and also from other countries like saudi arabia. so, it's not like the america withdrew from afghanistan. america wasn't there. america was in pakistan, but even in pakistan it wasn't there with troops. it was there with people who were giving advice and money to the pakistanis. so the issues in '89 and '90 turned basically were lapsed back into what are our relations with pakistan? and islamic fundamentalism is not really coming on the radar as a key issue except with respect to what's happening with pakistan and trends in pakistani politics, and very quickly in pakistan, the dominant issue wi

how will be the -- the people of afghanistan view this agreement? >> when they wake up tomorrow they will probably have a sigh of relief and they will be happy to hear that this has been finally signed. they have been working on this for more than 18 months and have gone through many versions of this agreement. what is important is the united states has sent a signal to the afghan people they will draw down to a minimum required to combat terrorism and train afghanistanas and that's another 10 years or so. it's not just about fighting or the security situation, it's a commitment to help afghanistan on the social and economic development side as well as with governments and democracy building. i think those sometime, are forgotten or are secondary issues. but they are as critical as the first ones. >> often they are. but that means for those who are listening, that means the united states will continue to invest dollars in afghanistan. do you have any idea what the scope of that investment is going to be? >> the scope beyond 2014 will be comparativel

support for afghanistan until 2024. ten years after nato forces wrap up their combat role in the country. senior administration official said both presidents wanted to sign the strategic partnership agreement ahead of the nato summit later this month in chicago. tonight's speech comes on the first anniversary of the u.s. raid in pakistan that killed osama bin laden. the president left washington d.c. monday night at midnight, and air force one landed in afghanistan under the cover of darkness. he spoke earlier today to u.s. troops in bagram. there have been about 1800 americans killed in afghanistan. he expects... he's expected to speak about that as well as the anniversary of this osama bin laden killing one year ago today. here is the president of the united states. >> good evening. from bagram air base. this outpost is more than 7,000 miles from home. but for over a decade it's been close to our hearts. because here in afghanistan, more than half a million of our sons and daughters have sacrificed to protect our coun

troops out of iraq in order to fight the real war in afghanistan and he's stayed in afghanistan he's now being forced to withdraw from afghanistan afghanistan has cost a lot and he's a big defeat for nato but on the back of nine eleven and wherever it was the logic of invading afghanistan. because of the horrors of nine eleven there's been this massive increase in u.s. arms expenditure huge increase and expansion of nato and from the lisbon treaty a huge requirement on all nato member states to spend a great deal on nato supplied arms yet at the same time the majority of nato countries there are involved in afghanistan have small numbers and always drawing it's going to be britain and the usa that's left there till the end i'm sorry dear invite is not true the military expenditure in europe is nine hundred or nine it went down dramatically after twenty five percent your british. got about eight percent you know this is not unlikely her expenditure. when i'm going to do the right story i john before we go to the regular united the united states accounts for about seventy five percent