bush and karl rove left us karl rove is hoping it will all forget but i'm not forgetting and i hope you won't either. that's the big picture for tonight for more information on the stories we covered visit our websites thom hartmann dot com free speech dot org an hour to dot com also check out our two you tube channels there are links to tom harkin dot com its entire show is also available as a free video podcast on i tunes and you can visit our dot com to download the audio podcast of our daily three to six radio show and we have a free tom hartman i phone and i pad app in the app store which we've just updated made all kinds of spiffy for the brand new i pad whatever it's called contraption looks really cool and you can set a speed back on twitter at tom underscore our one on facebook at some undersea underscore our on our blogs message boards and telephone comment line at tom hartman dot com and don't forget democracy begins when you show up it's not enough to just sit around and complain we've got to get out there we've got to get active occupy something show up participate or move

we have karl frisch. we're going to play the four-minute video from fox news. >> the producer worked for weeks on that. >> for that news piece. >> yeah. >> jacki schechner is all hopped up this morning, and her news will be better than that. >> is nyquil actually a crock? >> horrible. it did absolutely nothing and then i just sat there wondering if your head could explode from too much congestion. >> this newscast could sound like nell. >> i was hoping for the demi moore thing, but instead i just got the totally not hot voice. >> good morning, jacki schechner. >> good morning, stephanie. good morning, everyone. this won't be the least bit awkward, the president are going to welcome former president bush and former first lady laura bush to the white house for the unveiling of george w. bush's portrait. vice president biden will also be there. up on the hill today the house is set to vote on a bill targeted at gender. republicans supporters claim the bill is about sex discrimination but abortion rights acti

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karl. >> this is another case of the media and the right-wing having bush-nisha. and ronald reagan is still complaining about jimmy carter. >> exactly. monica crowley. >> the has an actual record to run on now. and to suggest somehow that the american people are opposing him because of his race or name is insulting to the american people and quite frankly megan i think bigoted in its own right. >> wait. >> i don't know if she reads fox news polling. but the polling has mitt romney at 49% and president obama at 46%. >> yes, i don't hear anything reported when the president is up in the polls. >> yeah. >> megyn kelly. >> we are awaiting details from what might be a tense meeting between the republican leaders and our president. both sides they say want to head off a coming showdown over out of control spending in washington. >> well, that's framing it a certain way, isn't it? >> just a little. >> i'm sure the president is looking forward to the meeting only to have john boehner go back and break whatever deal they make. >> yeah, exactly. i don't think anybody buys t

you cannot shock anybody by telling them a karl rove ad tells a lie. the issue is that the assertions in this $10 million ad buy are just blatantly at face value shockingly dishonest to anybody who understands anything about these issues that are in this ad. we're told that republicans have focus group this ad down to the last bristle on the air brush. they are confident that the assertions are false to anybody that knows the fact, they are confident it not be shocking to anyone. they are confident that people do not know what the facts are. are they right? in so, the number one question is why don't more people know the actual facts? how do you run on your record when the other side has crafted a new record for you. a record they would rather run against instead of the record of what you have done. the chief strategist joins us next. [ heart beating, monitor beeping ] woman: what do you mean, homeowners insurance doesn't cover floods? [ heart rate increases ] man: a few inches of water caused all this? [ heart rate increases ] woman #2: but i don't ev

. >> i think it's incredibly ironic that karl rove produced that ad. >> yes. linda do you think president obama is a bad guy, lacks character, et cetera. it seems like that is on an effective strategy. the strategy where they were going to try to get people to hate president obama is not going to work. >> that's not going to work at all. and as we just talked about, obama is much more likable. on all of the ratings he is way ahead of obama on that score. what independents are going to make their decision on and they will make it in october or early november, they will wait until the last minute. what they will make their decision on is how is the economy for me right now? that's -- that's how they will make their decision. that's their number one concern. they do care about deficits. it's right up there. definitely more than democrats about deficit. >> i have to give karl the last word here. when i hear they don't know the difference between the two i tend to think you should study up a little bit. >> yeah, cutely but at the end of the day what people will vot

just listen to the ceo of karl rove's superpac american crossroads, steven law. he's so worried about the billionaires. >> we have some very large donors who contribute a significant amount and they are fully disclosed, they're not overly concerned about it. but there are some people who are concerned about a culture of intimidation. increasingly, people feel like there are reprisals against people who get involved in the political process. >> stephen: yes, secret billionaires are just trying to get involved in the political process -- the same way the secret service wanted to get involved with those prostitutes. [ laughter ] so to protect themselves from accountability, big donors need anonymity. like casino billionaire sheldon adelson, who almost singlehandedly funded newt gingrich's superpac "winning our future," which has recently been renamed "dodging our creditors." [ laughter ] well, now adelson is going underground, where it's possible he also originated. [ laughter ] he says, from now on, if he injects big bucks into this election "it will be to a c-4."

karl and i disagree about this. they're spending the bulk of their money right now on online -- millions of dollars on online ads that are what we used to do in direct mail solicitation, where you'd go out and lose money trying to get people to chip in, buy a subscription now, then you'd hit them with the resolicit. to give you an idea, on the day the obama campaign was over in 2008, they had 110,000 twitter followers. 110 the day it was over. today it's 15 million. they had nowhere near -- today it's 25 million facebook followers. they have a targeted list that they have built up of millions of americans. remember last time 3 million people gave them $500 million. so if that goes to 5 million this time, i mean, given that the scale of the network has gotten -- that they've built is so big, i think this is a lull period where when they go in to resolicit they're going to get up i think above a billion dollars. now, that's not the thing that matters the most about that, though. it's that the romney campaign hasn't bu

you cannot shock anybody by telling them a karl rove ad tells a lie. the issue is that the assertions in this $10 million ad buy are just blatantly at face value shockingly dishonest to anybody who understands anything about these issues that are in this ad. we're told that republicans have focus group this ad down to the last bristle on the air brush. they are confident that the assertions are false to anybody that knows the fact, they are confident it not be shocking to anyone. they are confident that people do not know what the facts are. are they right? in so, the number one question is why don't more people know the actual facts? how do you run on your record when the other side has crafted a new record for you. a record they would rather run against instead of the record of what you have done. the chief strategist joins us next. great! tyler here will show you everything. check out our new mobile app. now you can use your phone to scan your car's vin or take a picture of your license. it's an easy way to start a quote. watch this -- flo, can i se

you cannot shock anybody by telling them a karl rove ad tells a lie. the issue is that the assertions in this $10 million ad buy are just blatantly at face value shockingly dishonest to anybody who understands anything about these issues that are in this ad. we're told that republicans have focus group this ad down to the last bristle on the air brush. they are confident that the assertions are false to anybody that knows the fact, they are confident it not be shocking to anyone. they are confident that people do not know what the facts are. are they right? in so, the number one question is why don't more people know the actual facts? how do you run on your record when the other side has crafted a new record for you. a record they would rather run against instead of the record of what you have done. the chief strategist joins us next. every communications provider is different but centurylink is committed to being a different kind of communications company. ♪ we link people and fortune 500 companies nationwide and around the world. and we will contin

denninger author and trader thanks so much karl thank you very much. all right let's wind down with some viewer feedback i didn't get the chance to get to it on friday when we usually do it because there was so much news so many guests so let's get to it now first we want to bring attention to a post from mike shad logs blog we all know him as mish his a frequent and very popular guest on this show also a really good friend of the show so we want to make sure that you do not miss one of his latest pieces here it is it is a more personal piece about his efforts to raise money for a ls research you can see he's got money from twenty two countries and counting he's looking for more this is obviously a debilitating disease known as lou gehrig's it's one that's affected his family personally so he's raising money for charity including a raffle he's got a big goal he's trying to meet we know a lot of our viewers are his readers so you can check out his blog to find out more you know it's global economic analysis we want to make sure you don't miss that and m

karl, i want to come back to you again to the tactics of this. this does jeopardize i would imagine the president's capacity to win in north carolina. where just yesterday by 69-31 there was a very strong vote against same-sex marriage. so how does the white house calculate that in its electorate electoratecalelectoratecalculous. >> they are going to be much more conservative than the general electorate. and, two, in a fall election the most important thing this president could do to win in north carolina is what he did in 2008, and that is turn out young people, and this is going to energize them. two, turn out the african-american base. they're going to be there strong for him. >> i actually agree with that. >> can i hop in on that one. >> of course you can. >> basically president obama's electorate ceiling was 310 electoral votes. as of today it's 295. mitt romney's ceiling 290 electoral votes. this is becoming a much closer election because of this issue. i don't think it will be the dominant issue but it will play a significant role in the b

karl frisch is with us. we'll be joined by derek crowe political director for the brave new foundation, works with robert greenwald. talking about the war in afghanistan and whether we're winding it down soon enough. but first -- >> this is the "full court press." >> bill: dan has the really big stories. >> the biggest story might be that bristol palin's ex, levi johnson has picked the name of his new baby daughter. >> can i guess? >> sprinkler. >> close. >> telling inside edition last night he's naming the baby girl after his favorite gun so her name, breeze beretta. >> is it named after drew brees? >> he has breeze tattooed on his arm. he confirms the pregnancy was unplanned. it was the result of -- >> you don't say! >> surprised he didn't name her shotgun after his wedding. >> he and his girlfriend spent four days in a cabin in the alaskan wilderness and forgot their birth control and that's how it happened. >> wouldn't four days in the alaskan wilderness be birth control enough for most people? >> bill:

karl rove is here. karl, your thoughts, first about this recall -- let me back up. i know that you are part of an organization that does a lot of crossroads, which makes contributions to different issues around the country. so we are clear, you are here as a fox analyst. do you have any money in this race at all, the recall race? >> crossroads doesn't, but i have personally contributed to scott walker and i have known him for a better part of a decade. >> >> greta: full disclosure. what is your thought on the recall? >> we have two polls, one showing him up by 1 and another by 6, 19 days left to go. you know, it's going to be an all-out war between now and the election. tens of millions of dollars will have been spent in this contest. i think governor walker's well positioned to win and the question is by how much? the bigger the victory, the bigger the impact of the first of all, obviously twould be weather wois condition sin experiment of reigning in the power of certain public employee unions and having transparency in the retirement and the health benefits and e

this is stephanie cutter from team obama speaking about karl rove. >> here we are again. karl rove's group crossroads is spending $25 million from secret donners to tear down the president. when robe says the president broke his promise on middle class tax cuts, he's not telling you the truth. >> amazing stephanie cutter taking it to karl rove in a campaign ad. >> i've never seen anything like that before where basically karl rove is a staffer. he's a high level staffer but for the president's re-election campaign to go after a staffer is a big deal which tells you obviously karl rove and crossroads is clearly making some headway for them to go after them people. >> rove is the lead person and remember when they first started crossroads gps, they were saying this was meant to be a shadow rnc. he very publicly put himself out there as the face of the critique of president obama. >> karl rove happy to take it from all corners i think. after the break, he's back. former president george w. bush is re-emerging. will the party embrace the former leader or will he remain he who

karl rove is the republican bill ayers. no one cares about this. >> i would not equate the koch brothers with karl. they are two separate things. you know my feeling about the koch brothers. i think they have broken the law and sold to the enemy. >> eric: stop, snob, stop. >> bob: you always say stop. >> eric: we are talking about campaign financing. >> bob: big money behind campaigns. i believe karl rove would not do what the koch brothers do. brothers are evil people. >> greg: these are sugar daddies for political parties. get over it. >> bob: when you spend $100 million a year -- >> greg: how much money does obama have? >> bob: these people act independently. >> greg: you'd love them if they were on your side, bob. >> dana: what about the union none surprise, the unions will go out and have a campaign for president obama. that was counterbalanced. >> andrea: speaking the contractors, richard trumka has words about his relationship with president obama and what would happen after a second term. >> have you had specific co

i believe karl rove would not do what the koch brothers do. brothers are evil people. >> greg: these are sugar daddies for political parties. get over it. >> bob: when you spend $100 million a year -- >> greg: how much money does obama have? >> bob: these people act independently. >> greg: you'd love them if they were on your side, bob. >> dana: what about the union none surprise, the unions will go out and have a campaign for president obama. that was counterbalanced. >> andrea: speaking the contractors, richard trumka has words about his relationship with president obama and what would happen after a second term. >> have you had specific conversations with president obama about what his agenda in the second term might be? >> i have had conversations with the president. i have had conversations with his staff. his cabinet about things of that sorb. yeah. >> andrea: speaking of killer contracts. >> bob: i know richard trumka. a decent human being. private sector, unions represent less than 9% of the workforce. the idea that there is a killer c

so in the end it is going to get down to the things that karl and i talked about. i mean, i know we talked about the bigger issues. but it's going to get down to what's that ground game, what are the states, how does romney on immigration, on some other issues -- it could get down to niche issues, like how does he close that gap with hispanics because if he doesn't it really forces him to start getting into a situation where there's only a few states. ohio, virginia, florida. >> i agree the hispanic vote is important. >> just a number, karl. you carried in 2004 44% of the hispanic vote. what was john mccain in -- >> 31%. >> 31%. can mitt romney win with 31% of the hispanic vote? >> oh, sure. because romney had two problems. he had 5 million fewer republicans -- >> mccain did. >> mccain, excuse me. he had 5 million fewer republicans turn out to vote and he also had 3 million fewer veterans. that was one of the interesting things to me. lowest number of veterans to vote in a modern presidential election, percentage turnout among veterans with clearly an authentic war

. >> i think it's incredibly ironic that karl rove produced that ad. >> yes. linda do you think president obama is a bad guy, lacks character, et cetera. it seems like that is on an effective strategy. the strategy where they were going to try to get people to hate president obama is not going to work. >> that's not going to work at all. and as we just talked about, obama is much more likable. on all of the ratings he is way ahead of obama on that score. what independents are going to make their decision on and they will make it in october or early november, they will wait until the last minute. what they will make their decision on is how is the economy for me right now? that's -- that's how they will make their decision. that's their number one concern. they do care about deficits. it's right up there. definitely more than democrats about deficit. >> i have to give karl the last word here. when i hear they don't know the difference between the two, i tend to think you should study up a little bit. >> yeah cutely but at the end of the day what people will vot

. ♪ karl ♪ >> karl frisch bullfightstrategies.com. he is just weeping silently into dexter von frisch's fur. >> good morning, what a day to be an american. >> yeah. somebody wrote me and said i wondered if you wrote your own blog and i know you do. because i started with the presidentsy is almost entirely about character. this took real courage. >> absolutely. it is something i didn't think was going to happen. >> me neither. >> before the election but i'm not as worried as i was when i first heard it was happening. there -- think back to george w. bush. even when people had fundamental disagreements with him, they knew where he stood, because he was remarkably consistent and even if he was pushing something unpopular, he stood up for it, and people gave him respect for that, and sometimes voted it because of it. i don't think any voter out there that is in the middle or on the right, didn't believe he didn't support marriage equality before this announcement. >> right. >> and also think of the young people that will turn out to vote

this battle against democracy being waged by the very richest people and institutions in america and karl rove is getting really interesting terrible for the nation terrible for democracy but it really interesting joining me now for more on this story and what we can expect over the next six months until november is richard follower rest of strategist and host of the richard follower radio program richard welcome tom good to see you great to have you back with us one billionaire just bought a g.o.p. senate candidate nebraska can he possibly buy a presidency you know. tom i think what it really boils down to is the really got to take corporate dollars a millionaire money out of our elect all of our politics and that's really what it boils down to the fact that these guys are going to go this far for a win it just blows my mind i got to tell you well and mitt romney is as i have come out repudiated attacking obama this way. is there a downside to swift boating like this well you know i think there's a couple down sides the swift boating only do i think sometimes when you go too negative it

>> i think that -- first of all, i agree with karl. like dead heat out there. regardless of party right now, it is more incumbent. and so you could see republicans take significant losses in the house and democrats lose the presidency. those kinds of things could happen. where it doesn't quite gel the way we normally would think of it. but if there is blow out, it is more likely to be with obama than romney. the power of income bancy, karl knows what that is right, to have that power behind you in terms of what you can do. the lead he has with the demographic groups that are out there right now, the way the electoral map looks in terms of what romney has to -- romney somehow doesn't get there. in terms of, just doesn't appear to be an acceptable or somehow messes up or just something goes wrong. it could really go wrong. i don't see that happening on the president side. fundamentally, they have been through it already. which is a very big deal. you know, i think romney may have a great team but they haven't been law that a general election as a team before and

karl, i want to come back to you again to the tactics of this. this does jeopardize i would imagine the president's capacity to win in north carolina. where just yesterday by 69-31 there was a very strong vote against same-sex marriage. so how does the white house calculate that in its electorate electoratecalelectoratecalculous. >> they are going to be much more conservative than the general electorate. and, two in a fall election the most important thing this president could do to win in north carolina is what he did in 2008, and that is turn out young people, and this is going to energize them. two, turn out the african-american base. they're going to be there strong for him. >> i actually agree with that. >> can i hop in on that one. >> of course you can. >> basically president obama's electorate ceiling was 310 electoral votes. as of today it's 295. mitt romney's ceiling, 290 electoral votes. this is becoming a much closer election because of this issue. i don't think it will be the dominant issue but it will play a significant role in the b

this battle against democracy being waged by the very richest people and institutions in america and karl rove is getting really interesting terrible for the nation terrible for democracy but really interesting joining me now for more on this story and what we can expect over the next six months until november is richard follower progressive strategist and host of the richard follower radio program richard welcome tom good to see you great to have you back with us one billionaire just bought g.o.p. senate candidate nebraska can you possibly buy a presidency you know i've been good tom i think what it really boils down to is the really got to take corporate dollars a millionaire money out of our elect all of our politics and that's really what it boils down to the fact that these guys are going to go this far for a win it just blows my mind i've got to tell you well and mitt romney is as i have come out repudiated attacking obama this way. is there a downside to swift boating like this well you know i think there's a couple down sides the swift boating not only do i think sometimes when yo

states it's probably the most if i could ever credit assault on civil liberties since the mccarthy or karl you're right i mean it does kind of fly in the face of the bedrock of this country haiti is corpus i mean the reason why we distance ourselves from the british government initially it is astounding that this went into place in the first place let's let's talk really specifically because it is really confusing to a lot of people now that this and the new n.d.a. just got passed in the congress it's awaiting a senate vote it still has these provisions. and well are they just and definite i mean there's no there's no expiration. no there is no expiration but the provision that was in there in the prior one and it is in the current one was struck down as unconstitutional by judge force and this means that that provision is null and void and the government cannot lawfully detain american citizens or any other person without benefit of trial and this goes this goes back to the supreme court decision during the civil war called ex-parte the milligan where the court ruled that didn't work time

it's not -- karl isn't tweeting you like cool, fun, hip stuff. karl is like tweeting you interesting papers, interesting conferences and stuff like that. >> he's indexed to things? >> it's a shadow. we are rebuilding our website right now, all our electronic platforms. debuting in the fall. and our sort of core idea is to adapt to the stream experience that all of us are getting used to on twitter. >> if i could just add to, that i think chris is absolutely right. twitter is sort of the gateway to see what your friends are reading and looking at, not just friends, people you follow. so it's taking you to videos, it's taking you to long, investigative pieces that people are sharing around that you wouldn't know where to go to find otherwise. i'm definitely seeing a large percentage of things in the my twitter feed are linking to long pieces. >> lee bollinger, is this what you've heard? does it define, alter, lead you to rethink your proposal for an american world service? >> well, i mean, i don't want to be the advocate for a particular -- i mean,

here is the new ad from karl rove's group that says president obama engaged in massive government spending increases. >> obama started spending like our credit cards had no limit. how will my kids pay that off when they can't find jobs. i had so many hopes, cutting taxes, debt, and creating jobs. that's the change we need. >> mitt romney likened his spending to an inferno, let's watch him. >> rather than putting out that spending fire, he has been feeding it. he spent more and borrowed more. the time as come from a leader and a president who will lead us i will lead us out of this debt. >> and it's not true at all. market watch points out that federal spending is rising at the lowest rate, look at that bar chart there. from 2009 to 2013, no change. it's been about $3.5 trillion right through. every once in awhile i'm amazed when i hear that government spending is spiking, and believing that every year is ticking upward, but it's incredibly flat. >> it is, this market watch piece is getting a lot of attention. i've been trying to think about what is the biggest lie they have told so far. bi

let me pick up on that, karl. democrats are taking a page out of your play book and go after someone's perceived strength and in this case a business record and turn it in the record. and they put a grand total. and romney invested millions and the company made money and years later. flood of steel came in from china. they went under . two years after he left bain capitol, so you know, it is a clever part. if you don't have a vision or forward agenda go after the other guy's record. it will be okay for romney. they went straight back at them. here is the details of gst-technologies and we invested in other steel companies that went from a couple hundreds employees to 6000, employees. >> senator bayh if the economy is an issue and you know that romney will go after obama on the problems. you do have to go after him on the record of governor and head of bain capitol. you can see it, chris. the obama campaign upons to make it a choice between two people and beyond that is weaknesses of the opponentment and last four

put mitt romney in there as politico reports that a between the koch brothers republican strategist karl rove the chamber of commerce and mitt romney's super pac president obama is about to be hit with a tidal wave a billion dollar negative ad campaign the koch brothers plan to spend three hundred ninety five million dollars over the next few few months karl rove super pacs plan to spend three hundred million dollars the chamber of commerce has now promised to spend one hundred million in this election mitt romney's restore our future super pac also has the goal of spending one hundred million dollars and then there's the slew of other corporate wall street and personal billionaire super pacs each promising their own multimillion dollar contributions to the billion dollar election blitzkrieg against president obama and that doesn't include the traditional campaign fund raising goal that romney the republican party have set of an additional eight hundred million almost a billion again so all together we're staring down a multi billion dollar election effort just by the romney campaign and

you've got -- again, if he cannot -- i agree with karl, he can win with 31% of the latino vote, hispanic vote, but it's tough to win those three -- colorado, those states out in the west with that dinkind of a number. he can win the presidency because of -- >> let me say one other thing. two people have problems with latinos -- mitt romney and barack obama. if you look at the decline in the latino support for approval of the president, it is at or above the national average for decline and has been consistently so. why? i've got a little bit of a hint in it in some american cross-roads focus groups recently in which we said let's get latino voters whose principal language in the home is spanish. and so you're not talking -- and people who are sort of not partisans. the swing voter. you're not talking about people who really are clued into a lot of american politics. they don't participate. there are all kinds of barriers and attitudes that cause them to be -- they would not be here in this room this morning voluntarily. and yet -- and those were the attitudes. the economy bad, i'm worrie

karl rove and the republican party know how important the re-election day is. they have only 18 days to round up votes. and to send scott walker packing. he set out a new set of job numbers that set a spin on job numbers. earlier raw data showed a 23,000 job gain in his first year as governor. on the very same day, he released this highly produced television commercial. >> i have some bad news for tom barrett but good news for wisconsin. the government just released the final job numbers. as it turns out, wisconsin actually gained, that's right, gained more than 20,000 new jobs during my first year in office. add the jobs created this year and the total grows to over 30,000. >> walker cooked the books, is that what he's doing? the job numbers? released a new commercial, did a national tv interview and had karl rove back him up all in the same day. think they're coordinated? face it, folks, republicans are in this to win it. democrats need to get it together and fight back. walker is flat out lying about the numbers. today, the bureau of labor statistics release

and karl looked at him. they sort of locked eyes and john goes, "hello, karl." and he goes, "hello, kerry." that really happened. >> jimmy: comedy bringing us together. >> exactly. >> jimmy: let's talk business here. scrabble. are you a scrabble player? >> i'm a scrabble player, i'm not sure i have the intensity i can see in your face right now. >> jimmy: no one has the intensity that i have. >> i can tell. right. >> jimmy: it's a little bit difficult. i have to run the show and concentrate on coming up with words at the same time. >> i wish my husband was here. he's incredible. >> jimmy: i wish that he was here, too. because once -- he made family history because he used up all seven of his letters with a great word. he got something like -- if you use all seven letters, you get 50 points. >> jimmy: it's a bingo. ex-checker? >> he got that word -- that's more than even -- >> i'm saying he added it. >> jimmy: oh, yeah. >> so, anyway, it's family lure for us. >> jimmy: hopefully you'll be able to rise to the