he called him robert, always called him robert, said he was very pleasant looking, trimmed, fine teeth, a clean and nice linen checked coat, with a very fine linen shirt, possibly part of the wardrobe of the navy officer who commanded the boat, fitting him very well if they were. i asked him a few questions to check the narrative when he first took the notion, and what made him think he would be successful. he had been thinking of it for about a week or two. the boat was taken in the evening to the -- a steamer was on each side of him, he got his wife on board quietly and the crew were of one accord to try it and then steam was got up at 4:00, theylet go of their fast and stood down quietly on reaching the fort at daylight when he came up

is that -- since robert smalls was very concerned about education. he was passionate about that, now, did robert smalls started the public school system in america? or just in the state of south carolina? and also, to add to that, since we lack on visual images of great african-americans especially our robert smalls we would like to suggest that we would like to have an image, a picture, a color picture of robert smalls in every public and private school in the state of south carolina because it would be a good motivating factor for our youth who have been struggling in their self esteem to be associated with an african and to see robert smalls' picture when they are coming into the school. it would generate a sense of pride to say this african was about education. i can be like him. i can motivate him. but we need those images in the schools. and we would like to hear the response from the panel and for them to assist us in this effort because we need men and women of courage here in the state of south carolina. we need help. and i would like for yo

so i spent a year with robert smalls, you might say. that is, reading all of his works, looking for his pictures, reading everything that i could about him. and again, as you have heard, this man was a very unique individual in that he put to lie some of the beliefs about slavery in this country, some of the beliefs about african-american talent and abilities in this country at a time basically when most people felt if you were black you were inferior. in fact, smalls had one of his colleagues in the house tell him that of course, he challenged him on the spot. so robert smalls, as i said, has had a tremendous impact on the historiography of reconstruction and on the civil rights movement. he has allowed us as historians to use his life as an example and to challenge the nonsense about ignorant negroes, to challenge the nonsense about african-americans being made and wanting to be slaves and loving their masters, although i have to say smalls did try to bail out the mckees a couple of times. but again, that doesn't mean that he loved th

he will be a key player in the robert smalls story. the 51-year-old french had been among the founders of the experiment. another major player was david hunter. he was in command of the army forces that occupied the sea islands and in march of 1862, he received a directive from the war dreepartment and he found tt a lot of the former slaves weren't that interested and thought that he needed to give them something to fight for. we do not believe that smalls may have heard of it. both slaves and free blacks are caught between two fires. they worked for the south. still onboard, slaves served as team steers and carried ammunition and supplies. they were defending the large coast line. they could come in behind these islands, cut off and capture the islands. taking part of the batteries, bringing the goods back to charleston. one of these forfications that is being abandoned is a confederate fort on coles island at the mouth of the river. smalls and planter will be going out there nearly daily bringing supplies back to charleston from the

my question relates to robert smalls' unfinished work. the unfinished work of robert smalls. what did smalls not complete? we see the fort royal experiment. the attempts to set up an economic environment in which the former slave would be able to support himself, raise a family, start businesses, normally develop as any people would. this is wrecked by the democratic party and the aftermath, the beginning of the first reconstruction, and after the second reconstruction, which was black reconstruction as dubois defines it. what do you see us doing today with regard to this unfinished work of economic development, the economic empowerment of these people who for centuries have been exploited and a robbed by the system in america? >> well, part of robert smalls' work will be involved on the sea islands and the establishment of a black yeomanry on the sea island, the ownership of land, the working conditions on the sea islands. a lot of people don't realize this, but the sea islands were a boom area after the civil war. good industries, good jobs, good wages, plus numerous pharma

>> robert silk. >> robert silk. okay. >> robert silk. >> if you look at the victimology of robert silk, he was essentially a gentle soul. but he was a loaner, he was a computer guy that stayed to himself. so the fact that robert silk would materialize to all of a sudden jump out as an extrovert and say, can i help you with whatever, it doesn't make sense. >> he went upstairs and i said can i use your bathroom? he said, yeah, go upstairs and use the bathroom. i got to the bathroom and he's sitting there with his birthday suit on. i tried to push by him. i told him i been in jail. he said you been in jail, you should know about this, right? and he touched me and i learned in prison that only the coolest survive, right? and i spunned around and i hit him every which way you can hit a person. you see his autopsy reports. this man was beaten, all his ribs was broken, his skull was broken, everything. i went berserk on him. >> reggie had alleged that robert silk had been a homosexual aggressor trying to get him to engage

robert smalls is included in the museum's vision, and it includes the stories related to robert smalls and his life and word. in february of -- february of this year, the museum celebrated the groundbreaking. and president obama was there. and i want to share with you his words in talking about the importance and significance of this museum. he said that moments like this made him think about his daughters, sasha and malia, and what i want for them to take away. i want them to see how ordinary americans can do extraordinary things, how men and a women just like them have the courage to right a wrong. he said i want them to appreciate this museum not just as a record of tragedy, but as a celebration of life. and when we look at, again, robert smalls and the ministers associated with his life, we think of those as some of the ones we have talked about, my colleagues have talked about previously, those that are related to the individual and personal stories, his immediate circle and family and friends. there are also many other stories of success and celebration that are celebrated beyond

we wrap up this week's coverage now with a look at robert smalls. in 1862, commendeared the planter ship. that action freed himself, his family and 12 other slaves. he went onto become a republican member of the u.s. house. this is two hours. >> good afternoon. my name is joe divey and it is my pleasure to welcome you to this wonderful celebration of an american hero. i get to do something tonight that pastors seldom get to do. i get to do the first part and then i get to sit down and shut up. our modtraitor is the great great grandson of robert smalls. he is think experienced executive with the strong and dynamic career driving growth and innovation an consumer marketing companies. and marketing management with the general management and leadership skill to offer a blend of management capabilities he has earned a degree from the maxwell school and from the school of business at duke university and it is my pleasure to present to you mr. michael moore. [ applause ] >> good evening. it has been a wonderful day here in charleston. we started this morn

catherine was robert's alibi and robert was my sister's alibi. if he goes i go her words. she says you have to get rid of him. you have to do it for mom. >> cathy's mother was stabbed 37 times in the face and neck. that's not a crime for $100 in the cash register. that's a crime of passion. andrew has been with her through all of this. you're going to believe your sister when she starts talking about this stuff. we need to protect our family. >> and then there's a plethora of questions. how much of involvement does she have in this crime? >> could cathy suh do this? yes, i think she could have done this. >> on my father's deathbed i promised i wouldn't let nothing happen to my mother. i even promised my mother i'll never let anything wrong happen. i'll always be there for you. for me to fail was unacceptable. i couldn't accept that. it was my duty as a son to right this wrong. i didn't have anybody to confide in. who do you tell this to? i found out who killed my mother what do i do next? there's nobody i can turn to. it was my sister and that was it. >> it was as if cathy

saying this is an act of genius on the part of the justice roberts. he's playing chess, he put limits on the constitution in the long run ncommerce clause, but in the short run you have to accept obamacare, but that's worth the price. >> yes, i've heard nothing, but, it was the only amusing thing. the most monumento rationalization to what was essentially the justice caved before the threat of exactly what dan just said. >> paul: you think it was the intimidation by the press and the politicians? >> yes, he was covered by the most extraordinary explanation, and what was it they said, he was burnishing the stability, the status of the court which was his so it would look look less like a political instrument. is it the business of the chief justice worried about burnishing the court's credentials rather than doing justice and a sane and rational and not extraordinary bizarre piece of reasoning? >> james. >> whether this strategy he's adopted is genius or too clever by half only time will tell. let's get together in 20 years and look back. i will say he

my question relates to robert smalls' unfinished work. the unfinished work of robert smalls. what did smalls not complete? we see the fort royal experiment. the attempts to set up an economic environment in which the former slave would be able to support himself, raise a family, start businesses, normally develop as any people would. this is wrecked by the democratic party and the aftermath, the beginning of the first reconstruction, and after the second reconstruction, which was black reconstruction as dubois defines it. what do you see us doing today with regard to this unfinished work of economic development, the economic empowerment of these people who for centuries have been exploited and a robbed by the system in america?

should conservatives dispose john roberts. that's the subject of this evening's talking points memo. according to a new cnn poll the country is divided over the supreme court's upholding obama care. 50% supporting the decision. 49% not supporting it here is something interesting according to a kaiser foundation poll. 41% of americans don't even know what's going on vis-a-vis obama care, that's a lot of folks. they should know because it directly effects every one of us. so let's start with chief justice roberts. his ruling maintaining the legality of obama care is actually a conservative decision. judicial activism means judges make laws from the bench and right leaning americans hate that. so roberts did not want to overturn a law that had been passed by congress. and he searched for a way not to strike obama care down. it was a tough go for roberts who initially wanted no part of obama care. >> i am told by two sources with specific knowledge of the court's deliberations that roberts initially sided with the conservatives in

robert, how are you? >> well, i'm not nearly as interesting as you just described, but i'll take it and run like a -- holy toledo. do i look like that? >> you do. you ought to take that raggedy thing out in the yard and bury it. i look like that? no, i look like that [ bleep ] i'm here. >> when was the last time you gave an interview? >> an interview? well, a couple weeks ago at a motorcycle joint, a chick came up to me with a very interesting accent and she interviewed me for quite a while but. >> on major television. >> [ bleep ] program and i wasn't available yet. but the last time i was interviewed, i guess right here, the guy with the -- >> larry? >> yeah. when i was acquitted. i went to -- i promised barbara walters, who saved my life, and won't talk to me now, but that's another story. i promised her that if i was acquitted or i went to jail or committed suicide, she would get the first interview. i flew to new york and i talked to her for 10 minutes and i came back and i've been roaming around the

robert smalls new of some add ver sif relationships. the hires system matters hired their slaves out to other people and slaves were sometimes allowed to hire themselves out seeking out and negotiating for wages even though both of these things were illegal. robert new of this open secret and probably participated in it also. robert smalls had many experiences that were involved with this status as a slave. he belonged to organizations where methods were discussed there were signs all around and all kinds of literary taerls that slaves had access to. and these interactions again probably further stimulates his passion for late iteracy. there were lack and white people. and others were familiar with stories about the new world slave interaction which gave rise to a new nation controlled by african people. closer to home, small surely knew about plans to create a church in the city and the dire questions of the familiar. this is where he found his greatest opportunity for employment and education? this was the most cosmo polltatipoll tain

him. >> robert, how are you? >> i'm not as interesting as you described. but i'll run with it. holy toledo. do i look like that? >> you do. >> you ought to take that raggedy old thing in the yard and bury it. i look like that? no, i look like that. okay, yes, sir, i'm sorry. i'm here. how am i? >> when was the last time you gave an interview? >> well, a couple of weeks ago at a motorcycle joint a chick came up to me with a very interesting accent and she interviewed me for quite a while. but -- >> on major television. [ bleep ] program and i wasn't available yet. but last time i was interviewed, i guess right here, the guy with the -- >> larry, yeah. >> when i was acquitted. i went to -- i promised barbara walters, who saved my life, and won't talk to me now, but that's another story. i promised her that if i was acquitted or i went to jail or committed suicide, she would get the first interview, so i flew to new york and i talked to her for 10 minutes and i came back. and i've been roaming around the country and

wrong way roberts. >> exactly. wrong way roberts. we can't have this discussion without mentioning an issue that is full of irony here. that is that the individual mandate to buy private insurance is a republican conservative idea. it came out of the heritage foundation in 1993 as an alternative to the democratsç liberal single payer idea. the question you have to ask is if you want to cover everybody, how will you do it without a mandate and without universal single payer? it can't be done. >> and you think the heritage foundation plan came through the heritage except through the white house, would it be constitutional? michael savage talked about this. let's listen to the worst. >> it's well known that roberts unfortunately for him, has suffered from epeleptic seizures. he has been on medication. doctors will tell you that medication used for epileptic seizures can be used for d disord disorders. you can see the cognitive problems. >> he never said he was epileptic. congress member jack kingston of

say, well, robert, where did all the money go? well, check with all those rats that jumped ship when the going got tough. my family, my friends, my business agents. my managers. all those sons of [ bleep ] that came to jail and told me to sign this and sign this and sign -- well, why didn't you go after them, robert? well, because i wanted to get out of the middle of the whole world. remember, i got arrested before 9/11. so the media was always looking for something to tear up and rip up and eat. and so i wanted to get away from all that. >> we asked abc for a response to what robert blake had to say about barbara walters and "the view." they had no comment. and for the record, there were no preconditions for his interview with me. when we come back, things get really heated when i ask robert blake about the murder of his wife. [ male announcer ] citi turns 200 this year. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history

. >> chief justice roberts. >> chief justices john roberts initially planned to strike down the mandate, but switched his vote. >> j. rob. >> how could you? i trusted you. >> the chief justice had to contort logic to come up with this ruling. >> we've passed plenty of laws around here that the court finds unconstitutional. >> where's the man who voted against equal pay for women? i don't even know who you are anymore! >>> today, mitt romney and republicans couldn't agree on whether the individual mandate includes a tax or a penalty. and whether mitt romney should fire campaign senior adviser eric fernstrom, after the supreme court announced their ruling on thursday, republicans found their new line of attack. >> the supreme court, which has the final say, says it is a tax. >> it's now a tax. since the court said it was a tax. >> it's not even obama care, it's obama tax. this is a tax. >> chris wallace asked republican senate leader mitch mcconnell the obvious question. >> if the obama mandate is a tax on the middle class, isn't the romney mandate a tax on the middle class? >> well, i th

and that's what roberts has upheld. by finding americans who do not buy healthcare the feds are punishing them using taxes as the weapon. that's been done before. the huge tax on tobacco a great example. one big difference. nobody can force us to buy tobacco products. the government is forcing us to buy health insurance. it's hard to believe that justice roberts does not understand the enormous power he has delivered to the federal government. according to his reasoning, the feds can now use the irs to hurt any american who does not do what the feds think they should do. how is that different from oa toll tall tarren government using agencies of force to control behavior? china does that, cuba does that. now before the left wing loons become historical. talking points is not comparing obama care decision to communist repression. the cumulative aspect power something america has always used sparingly. no longer. we are to buy the mandated health insurance or we get punished. we either pay that tax on tea or we forgot bev

him. >> robert, how are you? >> i'm not as interesting as you described. but i'll run with it. holy toledo. do i look like that? >> you do. >> you ought to take that ragged raggedy old thing in the yard and bury it. i look like that? no, i look like that. >> when was the last time you gave an interview? >> well, a couple of weeks ago at a motorcycle joint a chick came up to me with a very interesting accent and she interviewed me for quite a while. but -- >> on major television. [ bleep ] program and i wasn't available yet. but last time i was interviewed, i guess right here, the guy with the -- >> larry, yeah. >> when i was acquitted. i went to -- i promised barbara walters who saved my life and won't talk to me now, but that's another story. i promised her that if i was acquitted or i went to jail or committed suicide, she would get the first interview, so i flew to new york and i talked to her for 10 minutes and i came back. and i've been roaming around the country and doing -- what the hell have i been doing?

say, well, robert, where did all the money go? well, check with all those rats that jumped ship when the going got tough. my family, my friends, my business agents. my managers. all those sons of [ bleep ] that came to jail and told me to sign this and sign this and sign -- well, why didn't you go after them, robert? well, because i wanted to get out of the middle of the whole world. remember, i got arrested before 9/11. so the media was always looking for something to tear up and rip up and eat. and so i wanted to get away from all that. >> we asked abc for a response to what robert blake had to say about barbara walters and "the view." they had no comment. and for the record, there were no preconditions for his interview with me. when we come back, things get really heated when i ask robert blake about the murder of his wife.  >>> back now with my exclusive interview with robert blake. he's raw, riveting and absolutely unpredictable, especially when we asked him about his wife. brake was tried and acquitted of her murder and a

him. >> robert, how are you? >> i'm not as interesting as you described. but i'll run with it. holy toledo. do i look like that? >> you do. >> you ought to take that rag d raggedy old thing in the yard and bury it. i look like that? no, i look like that. >> when was the last time you gave an interview? >> well, a couple of weeks ago at a motorcycle joint a chick came up to me with a very interesting accent and she interviewed me for quite a while. but -- >> on major television. [ bleep ] program and i wasn't available yet. but last time i was interviewed, i guess right here, the guy with the -- >> larry, yeah. >> when i was acquitted. i went to -- i promised barbara walters who saved my life and won't talk to me now, but that's another story. i promised her that if i was acquitted or i went to jail or committed suicide, she would get the first interview, so i flew to new york and i talked to her for 10 minutes and i came back. and i've been roaming around the country and doing -- what the hell have i been doing?

donald trump is appearing on slamming chief justice john roberts. >> roberts was reading "the washington post" and the "new york times" and he said i can come out like a hero if i do what everybody does not expect me to do and voted to keep it and frankly i thi he should be ashamed of himself. >> i think john roberts should be a shamed of himself and it is reverberating the opposite. she looking like a dummy. >> i want you to weigh in on this. donald trump was throwing parties for mitt romney, raising money, but he will go out and call the chief justice a dummy. >> right. because donald trump doesn't agree with the decision he wrote. imagine what he would have said maybe the chief justice would ha been a gens if things had gone the way he wanted them to go. donald trump has his perch there to say what he wants to say. we listen and comment on what he has to say. he has no impact, no effect whatsoever on certainly what most people think, but most definitely on what the chief justice of the supreme court of the us thinks about his job and himself as a person. >> the sword strikes both ways

justice roberts said. and two days later the romney campaign went back to a better position and could be a useful tonic of critics helping romney find his own rhetoric. >> a tax when he did it in massachusetts part of the tax structure-- now, okay. i've got it. >> and that's a better explanation than the one that governor romney has given. >> and speaking of, i guess, honesty in advertising, the obama campaign is still running this ad saying that while mitt romney was at bain capital, he was moving jobs out of the country and so on and so forth. and it wasn't, he wasn't there and wasn't doing that, are the media picking up on it. >> you know the line about, falsehood gets around the world, halfway around the world before it catches up. jim will know what the exact quote is. john, your line about honesty in advertising, you might as well talk about politics, they're contradictory. more news watch coming up, first, if you see something that you feel shows evidence of media bias, e-mail us at news watch@foxne

without roberts, a george w. bush appointee himself, the landmark obama accomplishment would have been struck down by the court's conservatives. and the president's opponents would have been handed a battering ram for the coming campaign. any observer could see that a weight had been lifted off the president's shoulders. >> whatever the politics, today's decision was a victory for people all over this country whose lives will be more secure because of this law and the supreme court's decision to uphold it. >> what an unusual pairing. barack obama, the liberal president, progressive president, and chief justice john roberts. they will be joined together in history. >> yeah. and i think you couldn't see this coming. because if you go back to the oral argument, it sure did seem like a majority. court was not prepared to uphold the law. and now we know why. because a majority. court also said that the government's central theory, which you could do this under the commerce clause, was not constitutional. instead, it w

saying this is an act of genius on the part of the justice roberts. he's playing chess, he put limits on the constitution in the long run ncommerce clause, but in the short run you have to accept obamacare, but that's worth the price. >> yes, i've heard nothing, but, it was the only amusing thing. the most monumento rationalization to what was essentially the justice caved before the threat of exactly what dan just said. >> paul: you think it was the intimidation by the press and the politicians? >> yes, he was covered by the most extraordinary explanation, and what was it they said, he was burnishing the stability, the status of the court which was his so it k political instrument. is it the business of the chief justice worried about burnishing the court's credentials rather than doing justice and a sane and rational and not extraordinary bizarre piece of reasoning? >> james. >> whether this strategy he's adopted is genius or too clever by half only time will tell. let's get together in 20 years and look back. i will say he looked good on the commer

since then, robert blake has kept a pretty low profile. he hasn't given a television interview for nearly a decade. he wrote a book, "tales of a rascal, what i did for love." tonight, he breaks his silence. you haven't seen an interview quite like this. robert blake is a man on the edge, a man of pent-up fury and what he says has wrongfully happened to him. robert, how are you? >> well, i'm not as interesting as you just described. but i'll run with it. holy toledo. do i look like that? >> you do. >> you ought to take that raggedy [ bleep ] thing out in the yard and bury it. i look like that? no, i look like that. god damn it. okay, i'm sorry, i'm here. >> when was the last time you gave an interview? >> an interview? well, a couple of weeks ago at a motorcycle joint, a chick came up to me with a very interesting accent and she interviewed me for quite a while. but i told her i was on a -- >> on major television. >> [ bleep ] program and i wasn't available yet. but last time i was interviewed. i guess right here, the guy with the -- >> lar

national reviews called it chief justice roberts' folly. jack kingston your colleague in the house, i feel like i just lost two great friends -- america and justice roberts. and glenn beck called chief justice roberts "coward." >> i'm very disappointed in the ruling. i think the chief justice had to contort logic and reason to come up with this. he said that the supreme court isn't going to do it. we're going to leave it up to the american people. one man decided against the dissenting opinion, against what i thought were his principles and he decided to leave this up to the american people. now the stakes of this election couldn't be higher, george. i'm very disappointed. but we're not deter. we still feel that we can repeal this law if we win. american people will be the judge and the jury of this law come november. >> governor romney said that chief justice roberts is the model to appoint to the court, does that still hold? >> i don't agree with his ruling. i think they had to basic rewrite the statute in orde call this a tax. he had som

robert smalls is included in the museum's vision, and it includes the stories related to robert smalls and his life and word. in february of -- february of th year, the museum celebrated the groundbreaking. and president obama was there. and i want to share with you his words in talking about the importance and significance of this museum. he said that moments like this made him think about his daughters, sasha and malia, and what i want for them to take away. i want them to see how ordinary americans can do extraordinary things, how men and a women just like them have the courage to right a wrong. he said i want them to appreciate this museum not just as a record of tragedy, but as a celebration of life. and when we look at, again, robert smalls and the ministers associated with his life, we think of those as some of the ones we have talked about, my colleagues have talked about previously, those that are related to the individual and personal stories, his immediate circle and family and friends. there are also many other stories of success and celebration that are celebrated beyond t

national reviews called it chief justice roberts' folly. said chief justice roberts can not justly take pride in this legacy. jack kingston your colleague in the house, i feel like i just lost two great friends -- america and justice roberts. and then, glenn beck called chief justice roberts "coward." what do you make of this criticism and do you agree with it? >> yes. i'm very disappointed in the ruling. i think the chief justice had to contort logic and reason to come up with this. he said that the supreme court isn't going to do it. we're going to leave it up to the american people. one man decided against the dissenting opinion, against what i thought were his principles and judicial jurisprudence and he decided to leave this up to the american people. now the stakes of this election couldn't be higher, george. i'm very disappointed. but we're not deter. we still feel that we can repeal this law if we win this election. the american people will be the judge and the jury of this law come november. >> governor romney said that chief justi

say, well, robert, where did all the money go? well, check with all those rats that jumped ship when the going got tough. my family, my friends, my business agents. my managers. all those sons of [ bleep ] that came to jail and told me to sign this and sign this and sign -- well, why didn't you go after them, robert? well, because i wanted to get out of the middle of the whole world. remember, i got arrested before 9/11. so the media was always looking for something to tear up and rip up and eat. and so i wanted to get away from all that. >> we asked abc for a response to what robert blake had to say about barbara walters and "the view." they had no comment. and for the record, there were no preconditions for his interview with me. when we come back, things get really heated when i ask robert blake about the murder of his wife. last season was the gulf's best tourism season in years. in florida we had more suntans... in alabama we had more beautiful blooms... in mississippi we had more good times... in louisiana we had more fun on

they couldn't tie it to robert. he didn't have gunshot residue on him sufficient with someone who fired a gun. they went into his house. they being the police. there are so many ways he was mistreated. i don't blame him for being very, very upset with the whole thing. >> did you believe him? >> absolutely i believed him. it wasn't just robert saying he was innocent. look at the evidence. the witnesses against him were laughable. they told inconsistent stories. they had questionable motives. the police went to the crime scene. one of the first calls they made was to bring a book author to chronicle the whole thing. the next day they searched his house. they brought the book author with him. they couldn't trace any bullets to robert blake. i don't blame him for being upset. >> given the extraordinary background of his wife, bonny, he was her tenth husband. she had this extraordinary con artist background. clearly mixed with very undesirable types. what did you think, by the end, was the most likely story for how she d

robert, how are you? >> well, i'm not nearly as interesting as you just described, but i'll take it and run like a -- holy toledo. do i look like that? >> you do. you ought to take that raggedy thing out in the yard and bury it. i look like that? no, i look like that [ bleep ] i'm here. >> when was the last time you gave an interview? >> an interview? well, a couple weeks ago at a motorcycle joint, a chick came up to me with a very interesting accent and she interviewed me for quite a while. b but. >> on major television. >> [ bleep ] program and i wasn't available yet. but the last time i was interviewed, i guess right here, the guy with the -- >> larry? >> yeah. when i was acquitted. i went to -- i promised barbara walters, who saved my life, and won't talk to me now, but that's another story. i promised her that if i was acquitted or i went to jail or committed suicide, she would get the first interview. i flew to new york and i talked to her for 10 minutes and i came back and i've been roaming around

only john roberts prevented it. are they not appreciating what charles just said, that perhaps roberts is to be credited for striking a compromise that preserves much of what conservatives were looking for? >> sure, but on the recognize, there are a lot of conservatives who didn't want a compromise here. they wanted a clear cut, hands down, 100% victory. and they did not get that. the law is still on the books. but what justice -- chief justice roberts has to pay attention to is the fact that the supreme court is not a seminar at a law school. it's a branch of the united states government. and so politics does come into play there. and this was an incredibly politically charged situation in which you had four justices on the right, all of them appointed by republicans. that's very unusual. four on the left, all appointed by democrats. again, to have this idealogical split match up with the partisan split is very rare in the history of the court. where in the middle of an election campaign, we're talking about a huge

>> well, they tell us that justice roberts is growing, eyes of the media. years ago some wise guy in d.c. coineded the phrase to describe the process for which the new york times reporter linda greenhouse was discouraged to move to the left in her direction and sure enough, "the washington post" on friday, a nice puffy picture of john roberts. the right wing and nows' on his way to the-- before the decision, chris mathews on mnnbc says that john roberts could be compared to a civil war era supreme court judge who upheld the dread scott slave act. the same chris mathews after this, praises roberts as bold, defiant, and a hero who upheld obamacare. >> yes, i'm beginning to feel that thrill up my thigh. and look, here is a bias, so obvious. chief justice roberts agrees with the liberals and upholds the president's signature legislation and suddenly he's a hero, but that's not the way the legal immediate yar covering t the immediate media see his as specious and about-face and jeffrey smith on a legal scholar who was a first amendment scholar, jeff stone, forgi

roberts rules. and there's a lot of coverage today of the chief justice, do you expect to see the mainstream media revise its opinion of john roberts from a right wing zealot to a states man? >> for a while. i mean, i think it is reasonable to say whether he switched his vote or not. the decision he reached was nor institutional than constitutional. the matter of it being a tax i think requires him really, strained reasoning and, i read the portion of the opinion in which he makes the case this really has the earmarks of a tack and has some and i read the dissent on that, oh, boy. dissent is much more compelling on that. i think this was a strained piece of legal reasoning and a kind of technical and strategic piece of jurisprudence that i agreed laid mine fields and i think that -- i really liked chuck's suggestion that roberts is playing chess and everybody else is playing checkers. >> chris: i wanted -- do you have a final comment. >> i would say that again, those who might suggest there is somet

now, we don't know why roberts changed his mind. justices can and have changed their mind in high-profile cases in the past. we have no evidence that roberts bowed to political pressure, that he was concerned about the historical consequences of a decision that would strike down this law, as many people had suggested. we do know that the court's conservative justices were not satisfied with his explanations for why he had changed his vote and they were not persuaded by his legal reasoning. jan crawford, cbs news, the supreme court. >>> "cbs money watch" time now on a tuesday. more fallout at barclays over the bank's market-rigging scheme. plus, microsoft's bottom line takes a hit. ashley morrison is here in new york with more on that. good morning. >> good morning, terrell. the scandal at barclays has claimed the job of another high-raning executive. ceo bob dime beyond resigned effective immediately this morning. barclays has been under fire since an investigation found some of its traders tried repeatedly to rig an interest rate.

how does roberts get around it? he actually writes that for the purposes of the constitution, it's a tax. but for the purpose ever the anti-injunction act, it's a penalty. that's completely illogical. >> bill: he had to know it was illogical. i'm going back. i don't think this guy doesn't want these cases. he wants to put it back to the public and he he has. he has. he put it back to the public. they got to decide in november, charles. >> that's why i got a degree in psychiatry so i can see a little bit deeper, bill. >> bill: not only psychiatry. every area you see deeper. >> i wouldn't go that far. >> bill: sure you would. >> i would like that notarized and signed a copy sent to my mother. >> bill: tomorrow you will get it so many apology its have got to make. put charles on the list. all right? president obama does not, dot not detective a bounce in the polls because of the -- does not get a bounce in the polls. why attorney general eric holder will likely get away with c >> bill: campaign 2012 segment tonight. la