. >> vince gilligan is the creator and executive producer of "breaking bad" and i'm excited to have him on the show. vince, why do you think "breaking bad" has become so successful and touched a nerve with so many people? >> wow, i'll tell you, if i knew the answer to that, i -- i am just happy that so many people are watching our show and enjoying it. it is -- it is honestly something that's speculated on quite a bit. i'm surprised the show is even on the air, to tell you the truchkt but i think walter white is a character that if people -- i guess if people not get behind, walter white is nonetheless someone people find interesting and they want to see what he's going do next. that's the best attempt at an answer i can come up with. >> when you say people can get behind im, i think that makes sense. two of them are about criminals, tony soprano and the people of the wire, criminals who are being humanized as opposed to walter white who is a relatively normal person who becomes criminalized so you can kind of follow his journey a little bit better. do you think there's anything to that