that's affecting the entire space herele. as well as the home building stocks. all had been at new highs. these stocks are also being affected by that call here. you see down to about 1%, 2%. this is the big group that's moving today. finally i want to talk about simon's very good comment about the diminishing effects of qe3. potential qe3. this is very hotly discuss oddtown street that each successive quantitative easing has had less success on the market. dan greenhouse and others, at bgit made some very good points about this. qe1, qe2, operation, very smachlt each program has been smaller than the other. qe1 was 1.f 5. qe2 was 6 billion. that's why when i asked him what would make a real difference, a lot of it was around the concept of a limited program. instead of what would expire in five or six months, yo dow $50 billion a month for example, just picking a number and just leave it open-ended and that's sort of where the vanguard is in terms of what would actually move the market. i think the problem, carl, is simply announcing a $200 billion program or $