. >> howard fineman, great to have you with us. >>> lots more coming up on "the ed show." stay with us. >> new polling shows mitt romney getting destroyed among latino voters. tonight new details on how he threw a tantrum and stacked the crowd at the univision forum. >>> and his plan for the uninsured is an emergency room. tonight the fallout from the remarks that mitt romney used to call socialism. >> when they show up at the hospital, they get care, they get free care paid for by you and me. if that's not a form of socialism, i don't know what is. copd makes it hard to breathe,

howard fineman has the latest. >> it turns out he stacked the crowd with supporters. it's not the first time. >> i do love that music. i have to tell you. >> good to have you with us tonight. thanks for watching. mitt romney tried to create a distraction from his 47% comments. instead he gave himself more headaches. friday afternoon the romney campaign released the 2011 tax returns. the romneys paid 14.1% and would have paid an even lower rate if they took all of their deductions. the tax returns put the focus back on the issue of tax fairness in america. romney was asked about his tax rate during an interview with "60 minutes." >> is that fair to the guy who makes $50,000 and paid a higher rate than you did? >> it is a low rate. one of the reasons why the capital gains tax rate is lower is because capital has already been taxed once at the corporate level. as high as 35%. >> so you think it is fair? >> yeah, i think it's the right way to encourage economic growth to get people to invest, start businesses, to put people to work. >> that's hogwash. mitt romney's world,

let's ask howard fineman. welcome, howard. >> hi, glad to be with you. >> good to have you. what are people going to remember from this dnc? is it going to be the so-called abortion palooza, as one person called it, the business bashing, or do those 48 minutes of bill clinton very effectively messaging to the middle cancel out two days of far-left pitching? >> oh, no. i don't think so, really. i think conventions walk and chew gum at the same time. i think that the republicans did the same thing. >> yeah. >> for example, they had marco rubio up there who saw a version of the dream act, yet a lot of the other rhetoric was different. people speak to different folks are the different time slots. i think bill clinton was trying to show the way forward to getting back the undecided voters who supported barack obama as a game changer and as a bipartisan figure and who the president has lost. i thought it was a textbook address by bill clinton. kind of a summation of his whole career. i think most of the people on the floor, even the people who are passionate about elizabeth warren

howard fineman has the latest. and it is finally explained. it turns out he stacked the crowd with supporters. and it's not the first time. >> i do love that music. i have to tell you. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. mitt romney tried to create a distraction from his 47% comments. instead he gave himself more headaches. late friday afternoon, the romney campaign released the candidate's 2011 tax returns. the romneys paid a tax rate of 14.1% and would have paid an even lower rate if they took all of their deductions. the tax returns put the focus back on the issue of tax fairness in america. romney was asked about his tax rate during an interview with "60 minutes." >> is that fair to the guy who makes $50,000 and paid a higher rate than you did? >> it is a low rate. one of the reasons why the capital gains tax rate is lower is because capital has already been taxed once at the corporate level. as high as 35%. >> so you think it is fair? >> yeah, i think it's the right way to encourage economic growth to get peop

howard fineman has the latest. >> it turns out he stacked the crowd with supporters. it's not the first time. >> i do love that music. i have to tell you. >> good to have you with us tonight. thank thanks for watching. mitt romney tried to create a distraction from his 47% comments. instead he gave himself more headaches. friday afternoon the romney campaign released the 2011 tax returns. the romneys paid 14.1% and would have paid an even lower rate if they took all of their deductions. the tax returns put the focus back on the issue of tax fairness in america. romney was asked about his tax rate during an interview with "60 minutes." >> is that fair to the guy who makes $50,000 and paid a higher rate than you did? >> it is a low rate. one of the reasons why the capital gains tax rate is lower is because capital has already been taxed once at the corporate lev level. as high as 35%. >> so you think it is fair? >> yeah, i think it's the right way to encourage economic growth to get people to invest, start businesses, to put people to work. >> that's hogwash. mitt romne

howard fineman and joy ann reid are here. first, new polls in the presidential race. let's check the "hardball" scoreboard. according to a national journal poll, president obama leads mitt romney by seven, 50% to 43%. the president also has a seven-point lead nationally in the new princeton poll. he's at 52%, romney at 45%. two interesting state number from the purple strategies poll. in north carolina president obama has a two-point lead over mitt romney, 48%, 46%. the race is tightening in deep red arizona. romney with a lead of just three points over the president. and this just in, the romney campaign says everyone is safe after ann rom's plan made an emergency landing in colorado after smoke filled the cabin. ann romney even tweeted about it saying everyone is okay. good for her. let's go to this with -- let's go to this with howard fineman joining us right now. i want to read to you right now a classic example of a friday afternoon news dump. it's mitt romney releasing his tax returns for last year. he paid an effective rate of 14.1% which is below the rate we k

howard fineman and joy ann reid are here. first, new polls in the presidential race. let's check the "hardball" scoreboard. according to a national journal poll, president obama leads mitt romney among likely voters by seven, 50% to 43%. the president also has a seven-point lead nationally in the new reason group princeton poll. he's at 52%, romney at 45%. two interesting state number from the purple strategies poll. in north carolina president obama has a two-point lead over mitt romney, 48%, 46%. the race is tightening in deep red arizona. that new purple strategies poll shows romney with a lead of just three points over the president. and this just in, the romney campaign says everyone is safe after ann romney's plane made an emergency landing in colorado after smoke filled the cabin. ann romney even tweeted about it saying everyone is okay. good for her. let's go to this with -- let's go to this with howard fineman joining us right now. i want to read to you right now a classic example of a friday afternoon news dump. it's mitt romney releasing his tax returns for

let's go to this with howard fineman joining us right now. i want to read to you a classic example of a news dump. he paid an effective rate of 14.1% which which is below the rate we know they pay of taxes and the campaign released a summary for the past 20 years and say he paid an average of $20.2% and never paid less than 13.6%. republican castellano told the politico "at first i thought this was an april fools' joke." but it didn't april. i can't believe david axelrod will say he mutt it behind him and it will drag his taxes right back into the debate. i can't imagine why they would do this. howard, why would they do? i know they said they'll release the current years and did that showing he pace less than the average guy who says is one of the vic class who only pays payroll taxes and pays less, it turns out. why would they judge us with the judge stennis solution as nixon did, i won't tell you the taxes i paid for but here's a little hint, hint of what i claim i paid. why would he do this? >> chris, i'm tempted to say they've had such a

howard fineman and joy ann reid are here. first, new polls in the presidential race. let's check the "hardball" scoreboard. according to a national journal poll, president obama leads mitt romney among likely voters by seven, 50% to 43%. the president also has a seven-point lead nationally in the new reason group princeton poll. he's at 52%, romney at 45%. two interesting state number from the purple strategies poll. in north carolina president obama has a two-point lead over mitt romney, 48%, 46%. the race is tightening in deep red arizona. that new purple strategies poll shows romney with a lead of just three points over the president. and this just in, the romney campaign says everyone is safe after ann romney's plane made an emergency landing in colorado after smoke filled the cabin. ann romney even tweeted about it saying everyone is okay. good for her. let's go to this with -- let's go to this with howard fineman joining us right now. i want to read to you right now a classic example of a friday afternoon news dump. it's mitt romney releasing his tax returns for

i'm joined by msnbc political analyst howard fineman and joy ann reid, managing editor of thegrio.com. more polling data that shows mitt romney trailing. let's check the hardball scoring board. according to a new fox news poll, president obama leads romney by five points among likely voters nationwide. 48% to 43%. catch that, the fox poll. highly significant there. let's go right now to howard on this question. it looks to me like this divorce papers are pretty much out there right now. all that you hear now is romney doesn't really want to be stuck in that little basement where they cut medicare. >> well, mitt romney was on the campaign trail today saying, i have a little secret, i'm going to win pennsylvania. okay. he's not going to win pennsylvania. >> it's the oldest state in the union. >> he's not going to win pennsylvania with paul ryan's profile on medicare or budget cutting or anything else. so if mitt romney is serious about making a play in pennsylvania, that just underscores how inconvenient paul ryan has become. look, mitt romney did not pick paul ryan because of paul ryan

i'm joined by msnbc political analyst howard fineman and joy joy-ann reid, managing editor of thegrio.com. more polling data that shows mitt romney trailing. according to a new fox news poll, president obama leads romney by five points among likely voters nationwide. 48% to 43%. catch that, the fox poll. highly significant there. let's go right now to howard on this question. it looks to me like this divorce papers are pretty much out there right now. all that you hear now is romney doesn't really want to be stuck in that little basement where they cut medicare. >> well, mitt romney was on the campaign trail today saying, i have a little secret, i'm going to win pennsylvania. okay. he's not going to win pennsylvania. >> it's the oldest state in the union. >> he's not going to win pennsylvania with paul ryan's profile on medicare or budget cutting or anything else. so if mitt romney is serious about making a play in pennsylvania, that just underscores how inconvenient paul ryan has become. look, mitt romney did not pick paul ryan because of paul ryan's medicare or budget programs. he picke

i'm joined by msnbc political analyst howard fineman and joy ann reid, managing editor of he grio.com. more polling data that shows mitt romney trailing. according to a new fox news poll, president obama leads romney by five points among likely voters nationwide. 48% to 43%. catch that, the fox poll. highly significant there. let's go right now to howard on this question. it looks to me like this divorce papers are pretty much out there right now. all that you hear now is romney doesn't really want to be stuck in that little basement where they cut medicare. >> well, mitt romney was on the campaign trail today saying, i have a little secret, i'm going to win pennsylvania. okay. he's not going to win pennsylvania. >> it's the oldest state in the union. >> he's not going to win pennsylvania with paul ryan's profile on medicare or budget cutting or anything else. so if mitt romney is serious about making a play in pennsylvania, that just underscores how inconvenient paul ryan has become. look, mitt romney did not pick paul ryan because of paul ryan's medicare or budget programs. he picke

that's what i'm curious about. >> howard fineman? >> i'm glad to be here in charlotte. that convention was like dropping a bowling ball in a sandbox. >> well, why was it? >> i can say that. if they were trying to reach middle america with that convention, i don't think they did it. i think the speeches weren't that good. i think the tone was kind of mean. and i think the country's locked in. it was more of a negative message than positive overall. >> let's look what the president had to say about it. he took time to make fun of the republican convention and republican policies. let's watch the president. >> it was a rerun. it could have been on nick at nite. we've seen it before. you might as well watched it on a black and white tv with rabbit ears. those ideas don't work. they didn't work then, they won't work now. >> let's talk about this better off, worse off thing. i think the republicans caught the democrats flat footed the past couple days and the media too doing our job. how come the democrats can't make a simple point. in 2009 we had a stock market that was goin

. >> howard fineman on the republican train wreck. and we'll go to boston for live reaction to the elizabeth warren/scott brown debate. >>> mitt romney says, he would have an easier time getting elected if he were mexican. and he uses a slur to describe undocumented immigrants. tonight, we'll go live to miami for reaction from the latino community. >>> and mitt romney's coal miner photo op is backfiring in his face. >> people wonder how they're going to have a brighter future. >> i'll tell you what a mitt romney presidency means for workers. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. it's day four of mitt romney's 47% problem and the issue is not going away. president obama was asked about mitt romney's comments regarding 47% of americans during a town hall event on univision. >> when you express an attitude that half the country considers itself victims, that somehow they want to be dependent on government, my thinking is maybe you haven't gotten around a lot. >> mitt romney held his own town hall event on univ

joining me is howard fineman and joe klein of t times. let's take a look at the two polls. the two key states ohio and cog e in post," president obama has a four-point lead over mitt romney in florida. four points down there in a very tough state. 51%,/47% for obama. in ohio, the president's lead is a more comfortable eight points. that's at howard fineman, thank you for joining us, and joe klein of "time" magazine. thank you. it strikes me the numbers i put out tonight, and i'm going to ge all through them, shows a party obliterated to reality. she don't sm to watch t ghatenn w we no the h realized there was no weapons of mass destruction in iraq. that was the whole reality we lived in, the disillusionment on the right, the confusion in the middle, the anger on the left. they didn't even experience that period of time? >> well, chris, to put a charitably, i think the publican party today is the noalpa thas sense of it having kind of marinated in their world view down in tampa at the republican convention. they think of a simpler world, a world where the verities they belie

i'm joined by msnbc political analyst howard fineman and joy joy-ann reid, managing editor of thegrio.com. more polling data that shows mitt romney trailing. according to a new fox news poll, president obama leads romney by five points among likely voters nationwide. 48% to 43%. catch that, the fox poll. highly significant there. let's go right now to howard on this question. it looks to me like this divorce papers are pretty much out there right now. all that you hear now is romney doesn't really want to be stuck in that little basement where they cut medicare. >> well, mitt romney was on the campaign trail today saying, i have a little secret, i'm going to win pennsylvania. okay. he's not going to win pennsylvania. >> it's the oldest state in the union. >> he's not going to win pennsylvania with paul ryan's profile on medicare or budget cutting or anything else. so if mitt romney is serious about making a play in pennsylvania, that just underscores how inconvenient paul ryan has become. look, mitt romney did not pick paul ryan because of paul ryan's medicare or budget programs. he picke

anyway, howard fineman and joe klein, thank you. coming up, could barack obama be the democrat's ronald rag? yes, says andrew sullivan. he has a chance to transform american politics. the first thing he has to do is win. >> world leaders seek his guidance. they don't dare reject his invitations. bill clinton has become president of the world and today mitt romney and president obama spoke at the clinton global initiative. more importantly, he knows who he wants to win. obama this time. hillary next time. >>> what could make wisconsin governor scott walker become pro-u.n.? >> the packers play it at the goal line as wilson scrambles to keep it alive. the game's final play, a wilson loft to the end zone. which is fumbled by tate with jennings simultaneous. who has it? who do they give it to? touchdown! >> well, one result of that, the anti-union pro-packers governor of wisconsin scott walker wants the union refs back on the field after the substitute refs gave the catch in that game last night to seattle. >>> let me finish with this re

anyway, howard fineman and joe klein, thank you. coming up, could barack obama be the democrat's ronald rag? yes, says andrew sullivan. he has a chance to transform american politics. the first thing he has to do is win. >> world leaders seek his guidance. they don't dare reject his invitations. bill clinton h bome pren t w t mitt romney and president obama oke at the clinton globa initiative. more importantly, he knows who he wants to win. obama this time. hillary next time. >>> what could makco rn scott walker become pro-u.n.? >> the packers play it at the goal line as wilson scrambles to keep it alive. the game's final play, a wilson loft to the end zone. which is fumbled by tate with inimne whs it? who do they give it to? touchdown! >> well, one result of that, the anti-union pro-packers governor of wisconsin scott walker wants the union refs back on the field after the substitute refs gave the catch in that game last night to seattle. puann.meiniswithhis to keep bcks from voting. and this is "hardball," the place for politics.

howard fineman, thank you for joining us, and joe klein of "time" magazine. thank you. it strikes me the numbers i put out tonight, and i'm going to get all through them, shows a party obliterated to reality. she don't seem to watch the news. don't seem to know the huge fight that went on when we realized there was no weapons of mass destruction in iraq. that was the whole reality we lived in, the disillusionment on the right, the confusion in the middle, the anger on the left. they didn't even experience that period of time? >> well, chris, to put a charitably, i think the republican party today is the nostalgia party. that was my sense of it having kind of marinated in their world view down in tampa at the republican convention. they think of a simpler world, a world where the verities they believe in still apply in simple terms. the fact is it's a complex world. if you just run against government, if the whole thing is i don't want government, i don't believe in government, then you aren't going to participate in the reality of economic life for one in america today.

mark halperin and howard fineman are political analysts for msnbc. how did romney get in this mess? look at the timeline of events. it started yesterday morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern time, noon in cairo. that's when the american embassy put out a statement saying it condemns the statements by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of muslims. at about noon, the wall was breached and ripped down around 10:00 at night. secretary clinton released a statement condemning the violence. the romney camp sent a statement saying it's disgraceful that the obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions but to sympathize with the waged the attacks. reince priebus tweeted, white obama sim pa thizs with attackers in egypt. sad and pathetic. a.p. first reports american ambassador in libya has been killed. comic only in the political intrigue and perhaps stupidity here of mitt romney. >> well, this is what happened politically when you're a candidate without the facts and with few friends. okay? eats maybe tied the poll but doesn't have close

mark halperin and howard fineman are political analysts for msnbc. how did romney get in this mess? look at the timeline of events. it started yesterday morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern time, noon in cairo. that's when the american embassy put out a statement saying it condemns the statements by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of muslims. at about noon, the wall was breached and ripped down around secretary clinton released a statement condemning the violence. the romney camp sent a statement saying it's disgraceful that the obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions but to sympathize with the waged the attacks. reince priebus tweeted, white obama sim pa thizs with attackers in egypt. sad and pathetic. a.p. first reports american ambassador in libya has been killed. comic only in the political intrigue and perhaps stupidity here of mitt romney. >> well, this is what happened politically when you're a candidate without the facts and with few friends. okay? eats maybe tied the poll but doesn't have close friends in the

howard fineman, thanyou for joing us, and joe klein of "time" magazine. ank you. strikes me the mberput out night, and i'm going to get all through them, shows a party obliterated to reality. she don't seem to watch the news. don't seem to know the huge fight that went on when we realized there was no weapons of mass destruction in iraq. that was the whole rlity we lived in, the disillusionment on the right, the confuon in the middle, the anger on the left. they didn't even experience that riod of time? >> well, chris, to put a charitably, i think the republican party today is the nostalgia party. atas msense of ihavi kindf manate t w ew down in tampa at the republican convention. they think of a simpler world, a world where the verities they believe in still apply in simple terms. the fact is it's a complex world. if you just run against govement, if the whole thing is i don want governmenti don't believe in government, then you aren't going to participate in the reality of economic life for one in america today. they're the nostalgia party. they would like to be

rainstorm. >> look at howard fineman right now. he got drenched watching to his post five minutes ago. i don't know if democrats want any part of this tonight. >> there are two or three people working on my suit jacket with hair dryers back there. >> what a trouper. >> i couldn't understand why those people were cheering. i think they were glad that i got drenched. >> they think you are the hardest-working man in the cable news business. >> it's great being on with you kids. >> thank you, uncle howard. >> thanks, dad. >> the romney bus tour rolls on this hour through ohio, and so does "the cycle" for monday, september 24th. >>> when the election? how soon do we have to decide. >> wlar the names of the two people running, and be specific? i mean you feel me right? yeah. uh, sir... ah... [ male announcer ] layaway's back. earlier than ever. through december 14th. walmart. [ laughing ] [ laughing ] [ laughing ] [ laughing ] ♪ if we want to improve our schools... ...what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? whatbout updated equi

rainstorm. >> look at howard fineman right now. he got drenched watching to his post five minutes ago. i don't know if democrats want any part of this tonight. >> there are two or three people working on my suit jacket with hair dryers back there. >> what a trouper. >> i couldn't understand why those people were cheering. i think they were glad that i got drenched. >> they think you are the hardest-working man in the cable news business. >> it's great being on with you kids. >> thank you, uncle howard. >> thanks, dad. >> the romney bus tour rolls on this hour through ohio, and so does "the cycle" for monday, september 24th. >>> when the election? how soon do we have to decide. >> wlar the names of the two people running, and be specific? i mean you feel me right? yeah. uh, sir... ah... [ male announcer ] layaway's back. earlier than ever. through december 14th. walmart. [ laughing ] [ laughing ] [ laughing ] [ laughing ] ♪ if we want to improve our schools... ...what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated eq

this is a classic sort of move to try to get the howard finemans of the world, to get the political media to chase these returns, to spend now time digging into mitt romney's tax returns and just the barest minimum of the tax returns to stop the story and the bleeding that's happening over the last two weeks of terrible news. >> why do you think knowing that he won't -- >> it worked. >> release information about the tax returns improves the story, joy? >> that's the problem. they know that the tax return story is a bad news story. it's the returns previous to 2011 that harry reid and others are speculating romney paid even less than 14%. and harry reid sort of, you know, smoke and mirrors thing, maybe zero. this doesn't help. but i think that they've decided that because this return shows that he paid some taxes at least it will take away the talking point that, well, you're one of the 47%, mitt romney. you didn't pay any taxes. so at least it showed he paid something. >> joy, he paid less than you pay of payroll taxes -- >> a bad storyline. >> the federal income level do pay when they go

and howard fineman, my pal, who knows the truth. he's a political analyst and the great kristine quinn, a speaker who i believe is running for mayor of the great city of new york. so you get -- so the new kid on the block, and you're irish. >> thank you. thank you. >> you get to speak first here, kristine. chris, rather. let me -- i have never seen a night so strongly spoken for, spoken to, spoken about women. >> whether it was the first lady or mayor castro speaking so powerfully about his mom and his grandmother, it was a message tonight about the role that families, particularly ones led by women have played in the history of america and how we need to focus on them to move us even further forward. i think it was a moving and uplifting life for everyone. >> it was family values, the word, the phrase the republicans seem to own, like a captive. >> and it was every family value. i have to tell you to hear the first lady say that every proud american should get to go to the altar to marry who they love, it sent up a chill up my spin