rogers jesus sort of ends up is the jesus who laughs. >> who produced the laughing jesus? >> well, there was a couple efforts to do it. there was a fellow called hert eaton at forest lawn cemetery in southern california. and he went out and tried to find images of jesus smiling 'cause he thought that in america, at least, jesus should smile instead of frown. >> smiling is one thing, laughing is another, was that your burl 11? >> no, it isn't my burl 11, it's an artist named ralphco zach that shows jesus leaning back d not laughing guffawing. >> a real knee-slapper. >> it's a real knee-slapper, that's right. >> do you find that gained a assemble tans in the united states? >> yeah, i mean, that picture is fairly popular. >> the phenomenon, the potential reality. we know jesus was all human, we know he was all god because he has a divine nature, i say "we know," this is the christian theology, at least that's catholic theology and it's i think still -- a few orthodox episcopalian, you're a episcopalian. >> sure. >> who believe in the die vin origin, there's a dual nature, a g

rogers jesus sort of ends up is the jesus who laughs. >> who produced the laughing jesus? >> well, there was a couple efforts to do it. there was a fellow called hubert eaton at forest lawn cemetery in southern california. and he went out and tried to find images of jesus smiling 'cause he thought that in america, at least, jesus should smile instead of frown. >> smiling is one thing, laughing is another, was that your burl 11? >> no, it isn't my burl 11, it's an artist named ralphco zach that shows jesus leaning back d not laughing guffawing. >> a real knee-slapper. >> it's a real knee-slapper, that's right. >> do you find that gained any assemble tans in the united states? >> yeah, i mean, that picture is fairly popular. >> the phenomenon, the potential reality. we know jesus was all human, we know he was all god because he has a divine nature, i say "we know," this is the christian theology, at least that's catholic theology and it's i think still -- a few orthodox episcopalian, you're a episcopalian. >> sure. >> who believe in the die vin origin, there's a dual nature,

roger ebert said, now at work, 100 novelists on the forthcoming best seller "i was mrs. jesus." my money is on philip roth. seriously, other scholars are checking the scroll to check the legitimacy and putting the discomfort aside. >> it is difficult when you have spent your whole life and spent in fact, christianity has spent 1,500 years or more talking about and understanding jesus not being married to actually know it when we see it so to speak. >> so, in the spirit of debate, we'll bite. talk back question for you this morning, what if jesus were married. facebook.com/carolcnn. your comments later this hour. >>> after more than a year and a half, we are about to get new information about fast and furious, a u.s. border control agent was killed in connection with that controversial weapons trafficking program, and now the justice department will weigh in. en joint pain and stiffness from psoriatic arthritis hit, even the smallest things became difficult. i finally understood what serious joint pain is like. i talked to my rheumatologist and he prescribed enbrel. enbrel can he

isn't this what we were taught by mr. rogers ? >> isn't that the point is to tell us crap we already know? a waste of money. >> bill, wasn't there a guy, a scientist a couple years ago whose name was jesus who preached the same thing? >> i am not aware of this. but if there was a guy named that i protest him being in a painting called "piss christ." >> moving on to "piss christ" speaking of" piss christ" the work of art is a small plastic submerged in the urine of the art. let's be serious. why is it everybody on the panel automatically thinks this is a terrible thing because urine is involved? can't you look into what the artist wants and what he wants to say to this piece? why come off so closed minded? >> it is a lovely photograph. >> it is garbage. give it it a chance. >> there is a difference between having an open mind. >> i am not saying everything is good. you hear a trigger word and you shutdown on it. and that sort of to me is problematic on some level. >> i don't shutdown. i just think it is stupid. >> you don't even kn