and what he means to muslims. so we don't have a conversation about islam that we deserve, so you get extremist voices from each sides filling in the gap leaving the vast majority of muslims and americans in the dark. >> but regardless of the civil riselized conversation here on television tonight, i won't stop what happened and it has not stopped the protests. >> well, i think that we have to be fair when we look at the protests what is happening m. the overwhelming majority of the muslims from grass roots to the religious leader and the government leaders have condemned the violent protests. if you look at the people protest i protesting and a smaller percentage of them are protesting violently and even people with extremist opinions are pushing the protests, the protest are not about prophet mohammed, but they have to do with american politics and with humiliation and not treated as dignity and not part of society to be able to politically participate. so there are a lot of feelings of ail yep nation, and this

they don't represent muslims. so a nto a nonmuslim, it sounds like it's "those people over there" attitude. >> american muslims are not protesting this way violently. it's a teeny number. for me to ask my fellow americans, tweet me and tell me what you would like us to do. i am sincere and not mocking, i want to know. we are fighting perception. i am frustrated because i don't know what more to do and we are trying our best. people are out there denouncing it, leaders in the muslim world are denouncing it. politics is playing a big role in motivating people to go to the street, especially in pakistan. >> remember last night, a pakistani governor leader acting on his own has offered a $100,000 bounty for the filmmaker. encouraging somebody to kill him. he said i am a muslim first and then a government representative. that seems to reinforce what americans believe to be a truth about muslims? >> that guy is an idiot. it's like having a klan member speak and defining people who are the same color or faith. this man i

ramadan there have been ten reported anti muslim hate crimes ranging from graffiti on muslim graves to a mosque in joplin missouri being burned to the ground these sober in statistics make one thing very clear islamophobia has unfortunately become an epidemic in the united states from staten island new york to panama city florida ontario california islamophobia has reared its ugly head but who and what are the roots of islamophobia in our country and what can we do as a nation and as americans to root out the ignorance and intolerance and to embrace muslims as americans and embrace islam as another mainstream religion for bring in tonight's panel i want to start with the story of a muslim american who is an experienced firsthand the horrifying effects of islamophobia just days after the attacks on nine eleven america was filled with feelings sadness disbelief or but also running deep in the minds of some americans was hatred hatred for anyone who looked like a muslim in the days following nine eleven muslim americans became targets of intolerance and bigotry and even violence one ma

the muslim world -- the muslim world cannot visit both ways. they cannot place islam at the center of political light and in extreme cases political violence while at the same time declaring that the religion is off-limits to contestation and ridicule. is there a belief in the muslim world that you can't have -- can you have it both ways? that the prophet mohammed or cannot in any way be depicted at all? is it a sense that the muslim world wants it both ways? >> i don't think roger cohen is being fair and accurate. prophet mohammed is a deeply contested figure. most religions have to do with interpreting his legacy. i think the difference here is that the caricatures are offensive. it's about mockery and humiliation. for a small percentage of muslims and i have to underline that a very small percentage that, type of mockery is not inseparatable from the type of treatment that the societies received. so for egyptians storming the u.s. embassy, is it really about the prophet mohammed or what they perceive american foreign policy to be? i do agree

and i think the muslim world sees that. that makes sense. go ahead because i hear from the way they will say it is not using the words like moderation and we can help them and all that i don't see that works go ahead ramsey you know i again i really do agree and i wrote his assessment based on his real experience on the ground in the middle east but it seems that the conclusion goes somewhere entirely different where you end up talking about guiding what guiding this talk about one political experience since world war two and which the us guided any muslim country towards real democracy not one but the guy that many wars that have killed millions of people so i feel like this particular juncture is very very problematic as far as the drones are concerned you know an interesting statistic that says that there are more innocent people innocent muslims mostly who died as a result as a result of us use of drones under the presidency of barack obama than they did under that of bush so even all the talks and the rhetoric about ch

ramadan there have been ten reported anti muslim hate crimes ranging from graffiti on muslim graves to a mosque in joplin missouri being burned to the ground these sobering statistics make one thing very clear islamophobia has unfortunately become an epidemic in the united states from staten island new york to panama city florida to ontario california islamophobia has reared its ugly head but who and what are the roots of islamophobia in our country and what can we do as a nation and as americans to root out the ignorance and intolerance and to embrace muslims as americans and embrace islam as another mainstream religion for a bring in tonight's panel i want to start with the story of a muslim american who is an experienced firsthand the horrifying effects of islamophobia just days after the attacks on nine eleven america was filled with feelings sadness disbelief or but also running deep in the minds of some americans with hatred hatred for anyone who looked like a muslim in the days following nine eleven muslim americans became targets of intolerance and bigotry and even violence

and i think the muslim world sees that. that makes sense. i'm going to go ahead go ahead because i hear from the way they will say not using the words like moderation and we can help them and all that i don't see that works go ahead i'm sorry you know i again i really do agree and i wrote his assessment based on his real experience on the ground in the middle east but it seems that the conclusion goes somewhere entirely different where you end up talking about guiding what guiding this talk about one political experience since world war two and which the u.s. guided any muslim country towards real democracy not one but the guy that many wars that have killed millions of people so i feel i did this particular juncture is very very problematic as far as the drones are concerned you know an interesting statistic that says that there are more innocent people innocent muslims mostly who died as a result as a result of us use of drones under the presidency of barack obama than they did under under that of bush so even all the tal

people are denying muslim groups in america and leaders in the muslim world are denouncing that thankfully, and they are going to the street -- >> remember last night, and i want to make sure i get it in. pakistani government leader acting on his own offered $100,000 for the head of the filmmaker, encouraging somebody to kill him. he said i am a muslim first and then a government representative. that seems to reinforce what americans believe to be a truth about muslims? >> that guy is an idiot. he is defining people who are the same color or faith. this man is a radical, and he is an extremist and should not be allowed in the government. the government should make it a case and a point clearly to throw him out of the government. nobody should be allowed in the government if you are going to be a civil democratic society. pakistan wants to be that and aspires to be and they have to throw this man out. >> and as a comedian you know it's often easier for people to learn through humor, and why is muhammad off limits to you? why won't you make jokes about him? k comedians make fun jesus all the

the muslim world -- the muslim world cannot visit both ways. they cannot place islam at the center of political light and in extreme cases political violence while at the same time declaring that the religion is off-limits to contestation and ridicule. is there a belief in the muslim world that you can't have -- can you have it both ways? that the prophet mohammed or cannot in any way be depicted at all? is it a sense that the muslim world wants it both ways? >> i don't think roger cohen is being fair and accurate. prophet mohammed is a deeply contested figure. most religions have to do with interpreting his legacy. i think the difference here is that the character touaricature offensive. it's about mockery and humiliation. for a small percentage of muslims and i have to underline that a very small percentage that, type of mockery is not inseparatable from the type of treatment that the societies received. so for egyptians storming the u.s. embassy, is it really about the prophet mohammed or what they perceive american foreign policy to be? i d

welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> how are you american muslims trying it to persuade other muslims around the world that putting any kind of limit on free speech is dangerous? >> well, i think the first way we're trying to convince fellow m muslims of this is the fact that the idea of free speech is a foundational part of the koran itself. we don't only believe in terms of americans and our belief in the constitution, but the koran challenges folks to engage in dialogue and in discourse. it challenges people of the same faith and various different faiths as well. so it's foundational to the text of islam, we believe. the koran actually records insults to the prophet mohammad himself and challenges people to engage in the discourse. it's foundational to the constitution and sacred text as well. >> are you getting anywhere with that argument? >> i think we are. we put out several videos in various languages, and they've gotten close to a million views by folks in the muslim world. we've gotten a very positive response, especially from young people who went out onto the streets of cai

protests sweeping the muslim world. ok see if i go back to you in seattle in our discussion here i don't hear enough about drones the palestine issue in america american troops western troops in the muslim world why does western media keep skipping that or not going in too much depth on those three topics. exactly i think i think the western media right now is going through a process of redefining the issue by putting the focus on discussions that i think are not very pertinent dealing with freedom of expression and such i think these are important issues but this is not what we are facing right now when you have millions of people protesting from synagogue to cairo to sanaa yemen to other parts of southeast asia and cross the middle east. this is collective rage against people's rights to express themselves but again it's a political underpinnings of it all the second day of the protest nato forces the u.s. forces bombed afghanistan and they killed eight afghani women how do you account for that really belong in this g

protests sweeping the muslim world. ok see if i go back to you in seattle in our discussion here i don't hear enough about drones the palestine issue in america american troops western troops in the muslim world why does western media keep skipping that are not going in too much depth on those three topics. exactly i think i think the western media right now is going through a process of redefining the issue by putting the focus on discussions that i think are not very pertinent dealing with freedom of expression and such i think these are important issues but this is not what we are facing right now when you have millions of people protesting from synagogue to cairo to sanaa yemen to other parts of southeast asia and cross the middle east it's with a not so this is collective rage against people's rights to express themselves but again it's a political underpinnings of it all the second day of the protest the nato forces the u.s. forces bombed afghanistan and they killed eight afghani women how do you account for that

people are denouncing muslim groups in america and leaders in the muslim world are denouncing that thankfully, and they are going to the street -- >> remember last night, and i want to make sure i get it in. pakistani government leader acting on his own offered $100,000 for the head of the filmmaker, encouraging somebody to kill him. he said i am a muslim first and then a government representative. that seems to reinforce what americans believe to be a truth about islam? >> that guy is an idiot. he is defining people who are the same color or faith. this man is a radical, and he is an extremist and should not be allowed in the government. the government should make it a case and a point clearly to throw him out of the government. nobody should be allowed in the government if you are going to be a civil democratic society. pakistan wants to be that and aspires to be and they have to throw this man out. >> and as a comedian you know it's often easier for people to learn through humor, and why is muhammad off limits to you? why won't you make jokes about him? comedians make fun of jesus all the

millions of muslims continue to hate the u.s.a. as the recent muslim assaults on america prove. even in the fails of that, the obama administration doesn't want to change course. here is what u.n. ambassador susan rice said about the assassination of the american ambassador to libya. what our assessment is as of the president is in fact what began spontaneously in benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in cairo. >> spontaneously. that is not what intelligence agencies are saying. even the president of libya sees it differently. specific date for this so-called demonstration. i think we have no -- this leaves us with no doubt that this is preplanned. >> all right. the date, of course, september 11th. once again the obama administration seems befuddled by muslim violence which is growing. afghanistan now in peril. iran spitting in the eye of america and al qaeda reconstituting in places like yemen. again, the soft power approach hasn't worked. in fact, mr. obama's greatest success is are the grown missile attacks. they ever demonstration of hard power. vi

and i think the muslim world sees that. that makes sense that this is all i'm going to go ahead go ahead because i hear from the way they will say not using the words like moderation and we can help them and all that i don't see that works go ahead i'm sorry you know i mean i guess we do agree and i wrote his assessment based on his real experience on the ground in the middle east but it seems that the conclusion goes somewhere entirely different where you end up talking about guiding what guiding let's talk about one political experience since world war two and which the u.s. guided any muslim country towards real democracy not one but the guy that many wars that have killed millions of people so i feel like this particular juncture is very very problematic as far as the drones are concerned you know an interesting statistic that says that there are more innocent people innocent muslims mostly who died as a result as a result of us use of drones under the presidency of barack obama than they did under under that of bush so

or jews versus muslims. i mean, this is about egypt versus the united states. it takes on a whole new meaning when you get into this arena. >> and many of them apparently don't have much of an understanding of the role of free speech in this country. >> well, this has been a big international debate. i was actually at a conference a couple years ago with journalists talking about this notion of defamation of religion and should it be criminalized. there's been a movement in the u.n. to actually make it a crime to defame someone's religion and a lot of people don't see insulting someone's religion as free speech and we might say here in the united states, "well, i don't like that, but that's free speech." but in other contexts they see religion as something different and it's not free speech in their minds to do something offensive but you know for us, the question becomes well who makes that determination and what's offensive to me may not be offensive to you. >> and there was, you know, i was really struck

protests sweeping the muslim world. ok. ok one thing i go back to you in seattle in our discussion here i don't hear enough about drones the palestine issue and american american troops western troops in the muslim world why does western media keep skipping that or not going to much depth on those three topics. exactly i think i think the western media right now is going through a process of redefining the issue by putting the focus on discussions that i think are not very pertinent dealing with freedom of expression and such i think these are important issues but this is not what we are facing right now when you have millions of people protesting from senegal to cairo to sanaa yemen to other parts of southeast asia and cross the middle east. this is collective rage against people's rights to express themselves but again it's a political underpinnings of it all the second day of the protest nato forces the u.s. forces bombed afghanistan and they killed eight of danny women how do you account for that really belong in the gr

even supporting the candidate who let the muslim brotherhood to put the muslim brotherhood in a very difficult to jubilation, back and supported by financial organizations coming from saudi arabia, even katar and these organizations are supporting financially. now they are in tunisia. when those entities to talking to the president he was in, "we did not know about these people before." this is to make the whole democracy situation unsettled. this is why as muslims we had to be clear on what is acceptable and what is this accepted diversity and islam. and things like yesterday and the day before yesterday are completely non-islamic, against our principles. now there is a connection between some literalists and violent extremists who want to kill and become a popular support. we have [indiscernible] the reaction of mitt romney saying, we do not have to apologize and first be clear on the fact this is our values, that his plan was symbols. barack obama in a situation where he has to condemn first what happens, then celebrate the american values. >> in your book, you really concentrate

he says the muslim world -- the muslim world cannot have it both ways. it cannot place islam at the center of political life and in extreme cases political violence while at the same time declaring that the religion is off-limits to contestation and ridicule. is there a belief in the muslim world you can't disorderly conduct u-- you can have it bot ways that the prophet muhammad cannot be depicted in any way at all? is it a sense the muslim world wants it both ways? >> i don't think ronger cohen is being fair or accurate. the prophet muhammad is a deeply contested figure. most of the dageer divisions in islam today have to do with interpreting the prophet muhammad's legacy. i think the difference here is the caricatures being made are blatantly offensive. it's not about meaningful criticism and debate. it's about mockery and humiliation. for a small percentage of muslims, a small percentage, that kind of caricature and mockery is not separate from the country of treatment their countries and societies have received. for egyptians storming the u.s. embass

one, we are all muslims or all ruled by muslims. they only preach tolerance when they are outnumbered, bob. this is not a shock. >> bob: i agree with that. remember we have been at war with two muslim countries for some time now. there is bound to be a recentment against that. >> dana: wait. was that true -- last week we talked about you were in iran in 1979. that was well before the two recent warrous're talking about. it was before the 9/11 attacks. so, andrea's point is a good one. stepping back, it wasn't about the last eight years. >> bob: i'm suggesting if we had not been there on the ground would they be shot? but we are. to obviously people will get killed. that is the sad part of the tragedy, but they are. >> eric: throw the full screen up. here is your choice. c'mon, producers, please. get it up. choice is yours. president obama or war hero and interim president of libya. coming up, president obama spent time trying to make friends in the muslim world. >> my job is to communicate to the american people that the muslim worl

these are muslims. the right answer to talk about millions as the response to the tiny minority of people who are not representing islam for the majority of islam's around the world. it is an answer we have to get. when i started writing the book i was trying to to get a sense of what was happening and i started to deal with the fact, was it true that what happened in to nietzsche -- we do know anything about what was happening in tunisia and egypt and we were caught by surprise. by studying the fact this is not the real picture of the process. years before -- we didn't take seriously what president bush was saying in 2003 when he was saying we want democracy in the middle east. he said that when he was talking about iraq but he meant it and we didn't really listen to. reducing his statements or the perception we have of him, for getting he is representing a system. he is representing an administration. this administration pushing for many reasons and not only political reasons anything which has to do

and west stop intervening in muslim lands, u.s. to stop interfering in muslim education. the u.s. to release all islamist prisoners. it also calls to them to stop attacks, protect legitimate western and u.s. interests in muslim lands. stop provoking the u.s. to the west. it is similar to a proposal that bin laden made in 2004. >> then came the attack in london in 2005? is your proposal like this if it isn't accepted, then more attacks? >> translator: i'm sorry to say those who caused the london attacks were the west. either you stop the oppression or accept reconciliation. you have to be logical if you want to live in peace. then you must make others feel that they will live in peace. >> reporter: to make his point, he leads me to a protest outside the u.s. embassy. >> and this is the protest calling for the release. >> the so-called blind-sheik jailed for his part in the 1993 world trade center attack in new york. we meet his son. >> when you call for prisoners to be released as part of your documents, you're talking about the sheik? >> of course. >> the first one. if he's releas

if the muslim student association, it's the muslim american society, it's the groups that the bush justice department helped prosecute then. but of course, whether it's a republican state department or a in theic state department, have you this attitude of demitude that is killing americans abroad and here at home. >> sean: the president is sucking up to the muslim brotherhood. they get invited to the white house and they get american taxpayer dollars. they push mubarak out. this is their definition of democracy, how is it possible that the president didn't read the pew poll and the other polls that the people of egypt wanted sharia law and theocracy, how is it possible with all of his intelligence we sit here and predicted with pinpoint accuracy what would happen. the president, with all his resource, got it wrong and to this day, can't admit and he's campaigning in vegas. >> well, it's willful and deliberate white-washing of the civilization threats that face us. i was completely disgusted by the clip you showed at the beginning of your show, sean. these suck. we have four americans dead

unlike scarborough and ali in this case i get it's not all muslims. my mom is muslim. she's not in a rage. she's cooking god bless her heart every time i go home, i love her. she's a very pleasant woman. but at the same time those guys are in a rage and i ask what we can do about it. that's a fair question. >> it's a fair question if the cover is basically posing the question but it's not. it it's one woman saying this is a scourge. these guys are representative, and we need to eradicate it and eliminate it. >> cenk: i agree with that. look, you know, obviously again not broad generalizations but when we talk about the fundamentalist strain. i'm a culture warrior. i do want to irradicate the fundamentalist whether it's in islam christianity, judaism. i'm with her on this. now fox news opinion. i do opinion here. why can't "newsweek" do a cover story with a strong opinion. >> because most news magazines don't do an opinion on the cover. this is a new trend that "newsweek" has been using it. they've only used it for a few times. it's a bait-and-switch. it's something tha

as hundreds of muslims attacked the u.s. embassy because some crank here in america put out an anti-muslim video. because of the internet, that kind of stuff goes worldwide very quickly and the video gave those nuts in cairo an excuse to turn violent. to try to head that off, the u.s. embassy there issued a statement saying quote: the embassy of the united states and cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religion is just feelings of muslims as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions, unquote. again, that statement was issued before, before the american embassy was attacke now, as talking points stated yesterday, muslim fanatics will use any excuse to attack not only americans but anyone they consider to be an infidel. there is no question about that and it is the responsibility of the egyptian government to protect the american embassy. the egyptian government did not do that so they must be held accountable. back here, the issue is clearly being used in the presidential c

if the muslim student association, it's the muslim american society, it's the groups that the bush justice department helped prosecute then. but of course, whether it's a republican state department or a in theic state department, have you this attitude of demitude that is killing americans abroad and here at home. >> sean: the president is sucking up to the muslim brotherhood. they get invited too the white house and they get american taxpayer dollars. they push mubarak out. this is their definition of democracy, how is it possible that the president didn't read the pew poll and the other polls that the people of egypt wanted sharia law and theocracy, how is it possible with all of his intelligence we sit here and predicted with pinpoint accuracy what would happen. the president, with all his resource, got it wrong and to this day, can't admit and he's campaigning in vegas. >> well, it's willful and deliberate white-washing of the civilization threats that face us. i was completely disgusted by the clip you showed at the beginning of your show, sean. these suck. we have four americans dea

in that it serves muslim communities across the world in russia the us or europe but all muslims must do what they can to help our cause you can use different leverage diplomatic political or economic every country must know the truth and be aware of its responsibility that we do what we can here on the ground our resources are limited we cannot oppose all of israel's plans alone side in what way and why are israel for it and so harassing you and other spiritual leaders to. israel is to carry out his plans gradually step by step without much fuss or objection but we keep bringing it up and by doing so we have exposed the plans of the occupation authorities that's why they use media and press conferences to pile the pressure on us i gag us to crush those who stand in the way of the occupiers but it only proves that there is no freedom or democracy in israel we have democracy for the jewish people it doesn't apply to us what of. the palestinian issue being resolved in the future but boy there are still no signs that this issue will be resolved in the near future particularly with the ne

at least one hundred twenty muslims were arrested at a protest in. it's no longer about burning down u.s. embassies in muslim countries in europe they're calling for holy war. london saw similar scenes demonstrators outside the u.s. embassy following friday prayers and up to a thousand again on sunday tempers flared and flags were burnt. analysts point out the small scale of european protests compared to those in the middle east but they say local islamists are using this to recruit new members a worrying sign. as i say mainstream extremists who want a better word groups are looking to exploit this in order to encourage men to come and join them and try and get into a habit of protest a habit of extremists demonstrations and that's always there it's be concerned about and it's already prompted a backlash as u.s. embassies all over europe come under siege from angry muslims a phone right islamophobia group in germany says it wants to put on a screening of the controversial film the innocence of muslims the pro-choice line citizens movement say it's a

at least one hundred twenty muslims were arrested at a protest in. it's no longer about burning down u.s. embassies in muslim countries in europe they're calling the holy war. london saw similar scenes demonstrators outside the u.s. embassy following friday prayers and up to a thousand again on sunday tempers flared and flags were burnt. analysts point out the small scale of european protests compared to those in the middle east but they say local islamists are using this to recruit new members a worrying sign. as a say mainstream extremists who want a better word groups are looking to exploit this in order to encourage young men to come and join them and try and get into the habit of protest a habit of extremist demonstrations and that's always an area to be concerned about and it's already prompted a backlash as u.s. embassies all over europe come under siege from angry muslims a fall right islamophobia group in germany says it wants to place on a screening of the controversial film the innocence of muslims the pro-choice line citizens movement say

policy in the muslim world when it dies down. well i don't i don't know i don't think anybody knows how long this will this will last but i do think it's clear what needs to be done if it's not going to recur and to try and bring it to hold as quickly as possible and there he stood rather than president obama a ringing up president morsi and lecturing him for twenty minutes by all accounts. about how his government needs to be more pro-american it would be better if we dealt with the people whose own country is producing this this kind of thing after all america has fought a war in two predominantly muslim countries in the last ten years three if you include his involvement in the attack on libya oh surely there should be a moment where a responsible leader of a country that has done that takes some action when a film is produced of this kind which in those circumstances but to result in anger across the middle east what is going to be the trigger that brings all that rethink you say. no i don't think there's very much sign that

relatively small number of muslims you've been demonstrating. over this issue lots of muslims have not been demonstrating but i don't think we should we should assume from the fact that they have been demonstrating that they are happy with this kind of thing we had the instant the danish cartoons a few years ago where he did seem very demonstrations and i feel. but many muslims in this country sense that there is a growing tide of what we call islamophobia in europe there is a growing number of physical attacks on muslims as and the mosques as restrictions on what women where in the streets in some countries in europe so i mean this is a very very important issue and it's of course it's connected to the wars it's connected to afghanistan and iraq and we have to be absolutely clear about this is why the only beginning of a solution is going to be the very first step has been to get these troops out of germany from the british stop the war coalition thank you very much indeed for your thoughts live here on r.t. . well with the passion burning acro

embassies in muslim countries in europe they're calling the holy war. munden so similar see demonstrators outside the u.s. embassy following friday prayers and up to a thousand again on sunday tempers flared and flags were burnt. out of this point out this move scale of european protests compared to days in the middle east but they say local islamists are using this to recruit new members a worrying sign. as a say mainstream extremists who want a better word groups are looking to exploit this in order to encourage men to come and join them and try to get into a habit of protest the habits of extremists and demonstrations and that's always there it's be concerned about and it's already prompted a backlash as u.s. embassies all over europe covered to seeds from angry muslims a phone right islamophobia group in germany says it wants to place on a screening of the controversial film the innocence of muslims the pro-choice line citizens movement say it's a question of art and freedom of expression. but germany's interior ministry has accused them of reckless