leahy: mr. chairman, i also ask unanimous consent that the floor privileges during this vote and subsequent votes on the bill be granted to bruce cohen, mattvergus and erica chaff he ia chavez from my office. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. leahy: this is actually a simple amendment. it strengthens the public safety officers benefit act. that's the federal death and disability program that we have for our nation's first responders who are killed or disabled in the line of duty. there'sing in -- it is nothing now this body. an earlier version of this legislation was adopted on the senate floor by voice vote in december 2001. it was adop adopted as part of e f.a.a. modernization and safety improvement act. and in fact the house judiciary chairman, the distinguished member of the house, congressman lamar smith of texas, and i worked on other parts so that we needed up with an improved bill. we had a modest expenditure of benefits for deserving emergency medical responders, wholesome r

inlays committee and leahy's committee and this current status now is that there we're looking at it being back to the version that was released in september which attempts to clarify when law enforcement can look at the e-mails there's a lot of a. ambiguity in the one nine hundred eighty s. law as you said this was written before the internet was even the internet about at what point do you need a warrant to know what point you really can just go with only a subpoena and access a person's emails and there are a lot of really weird lines that the law draws so this bill as it stands hopes to clarify some of that without the amendment that would of completely wiped out all of the new privacy protections we're back to being a lot more protective of privacy however there also are additional provisions wrapped into this that will amend other laws and make it easier for online companies to publish information about people specifically companies like netflix that deal with movie watching so that but that's more in the in the commercial realm where they can basically sell your information to

inlays committee and leahy's committee and this current status now is that there we're looking at it being back to the version that was released in september which attempts to clarify when law enforcement can look at the e-mails there's a lot of ambiguity in the one nine hundred eighty s. law as you said this was written before the internet was even the internet about at what point do you need a warrant to know what point you really can just go with only a subpoena and access a person's e-mails and there are a lot of really weird lines that the law draws so this bill as it stands hopes to clarify some of that without the amendment that would of completely wiped out all of the new privacy protections we're back to being a lot more protective of privacy however there also are a dish no provisions wrapped into this that will amend other laws and make it easier for online companies to publish information about people specifically companies like netflix that deal with movie watching so that but that's more in the in the commercial realm where they can basically sell your information to th

leahy: mr. president, i ask that the call of the quorum be dispensed with. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. leahy: mr. president, i know we have matters under discussion with the distinguished chairman of the committee and distinguished ranking member, and i've discussed with them that i'm not bringing up an amendment at this point, let me talk about an amendment that i will bring up and expect to pass at some point. the amendment that i will call up at some appropriate point is legislation i've been trying to get enacted more than three years, it's called the dale long public safety officers benefits improvement act. it's legislation that improves public safety officers benefits act, that's the federal death and disability program for our nation's first responders who are killed or disabled in the line of duty. and just so senators will know, an earlier version of this legislation was adopted here on the senate floor by voice vote in december of 2011. madam president, you'll recall

leahy said he'd put a stop to that. then under pressure from law enforcement leahy not only dropped the idea, he wrote a bill that would make easier. then twitter users got upset for that reversal. this morning, the senator said, you know what, never mind. >> ah, guess that's a politician's prerogative. >> 180/180/180. you do the math. >> the ultimate flip-flop. all right, scott, thank you very much. >>> time to check that forecast with meteorologist loren. >> a stark contrast from yesterday. we had quite a bit of rainfall yesterday, overnight. this morning, a few light showers, mostly concentrated in the south bay. this is a very big travel day. people coming into town, headed out of town. and the front is headed out of town. it's not even going to impact california. as we head throughout the remainder of the day. it's moving, just racing into the four corners region. for us, this is all that's left over. want to zoom in, show you that last batch of rain located over the santa cruz mountains. 59 degrees in san francisc

we're honored to have a win at patrick leahy we do have with us patrick leahy, nancy pelosi -- we are honored to have with us patrick leahy, nancy pelosi, the irish ambassador to the united states michael collins. we are truly privileged to have the opportunity to come together for events like this. georgetown is committed to the creation and dissemination of knowledge that contributes to human flourishing and the common good. you may see written on the wall the latin phrase. the first half is the motto of the jesuits. it means for the greater glory of god. all of our work is for got greater glory. because of our tradition, we are also committed to work for the betterment of humankind. that is the second half of the phrase. is an expression of this mission of our commitment to endeavors for the betterment of humankind. there are a number of individuals whose hard work and dedication made this possible. we are grateful for each for their extraordinary leadership and the support of initiatives like gsci. and also like to thank the distinguished of the practice. the deep commitment to so

take a look at waste and fraud and abuse the amendment is not agreed to them and is not adopted and of leahy and that many if not take retail. well it's. a. leg. length. i've. told. her leg length. leg. so. that's a leg. british . market. was really happening to the global economy with. headlines. reports.

a look at waste and fraud and abuse the amendment is not agreed to them and is not adopted and the leahy in them many if not take retail. lol m. leg. length. lens. i've. told. that leg. length. so. that's a leg. the . motion soon which brightened if you are about to move from funds to pressure. he screams don't talk t.v. don't come. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. mission free i couldn't take should be free transport charges free the maintenance free risk free stew type free. download free books just plug in video for your media projects and free media and on to our teeth dot com you. wealthy british style. guide to. markets why not come to. find out what's really happening to the global economy with max cause or for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune into kinds a report on our feet.

take a look at waste and fraud and abuse the amendment is not agreed to them and is not adopted and of leahy in them many if not take retail. lol. leg. length. leg. length. leg i've. told. the. leg. length. so. let's say leg. well. science technology innovation all the list of melanin still around russia we've got the future are covered. trimmings in this tree even for specialists of voice can produce several sounds it warms the to do lenience the art of throat singing comes naturally picked up like a language. a language of communicating with nature it said that's where throat singing originates from the unions believe not only animals but also all surrounding objects like reverse forests and even stones of souls by imitating the sounds they believe assumes can capture the power of nature. was. there are special instruments that accompany the singing if gainey says there is even a legend about his instrument a gill it says once there lived a poor shefford who had the best horse that won every competition but jealous people killed it on the horse was revived as an instrument that there was a

a look at waste and fraud and abuse the amendment is not agreed to them and is not adopted and the leahy in them many if not take retail. lol. leg. length. leg i've. told. that leg. length. so. let's say a place. that is. welcome to the big picture.

take a look at waste and fraud and abuse the amendment is not agreed to them and is not adopted and of leahy in them many if not take retail. well it's. a. leg. length. i've. told. little it leg. so. let's say leg. you mean speak your language. programs and documentaries in arabic in school here on all t.v. reporting from the world talks about seventy ip interviews intriguing stories are you. been trying. to find out more visit. wealthy british style some time to. market why not. find out what's really happening to the global economy with max cons or for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune into kinds a report on our. quiz.

leahy: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from vermont. mr. leahy: mr. president, i'm sorry i interrupted. i came off the floor. i didn't realize senator grassley being his huge self-effacing self is sitting there in the back row. the -- i've been here as a colleague in the senate during those 11,000 votes. i don't want to ruin his reputation back home but we have a -- a significant number of those votes where he and i voted the same way. and, of course, he and i sit together -- or sit side-by-side on the senate judiciary committee, and i -- i congratulate him. these are milestones worth being noted. he, senator grassley, has had far more friends than mine. so i congratulate him, his wife barbara was kind enough to introduce -- both to recommend my wife for a cancer awareness award and then to introduce her just before we recessed. and it's been that kind of a relationship. those of us who live in rural areas, as the distinguished presiding officer knows, we require certain bonds and so i applaud the senator from iowa. and, mr. president, on a -- i have

of quite a few privacy rights advocates now the president on the senate judiciary committee patrick leahy democrat from vermont he's been around for. quite a long time now when you when the when this first bill was passed i spoke to his office a little while ago he says this is a huge victory this is much needed progress he spoke on camera just a little while ago. three decades out in act what effect problem merican face even greater threat to the digital privacy witness explosion new technology and the expansion of the government's surveillance powers. and i might say those powers. not just in the federal government but state governments. well currently and until this bill becomes law it would it was very easy for agencies to get access to anything that's been stored on a third a sort of or third party server for more than one hundred eighty days so that's about six months if you've kept something as we do live as most of us do often keep the e-mails and private communications because as we know we have so much storage so this was so much easier to be able to get what they would call an

of quite a few privacy rights advocates now the president on the senate judiciary committee patrick leahy democrat from vermont he's been around for. quite a long time now when you when the when this first bill was passed i spoke to his office a little while ago he says this is a huge victory this is a much needed progress he spoke on camera just a little while ago. three decades out in fact what effect problem americans face even greater threats the digital privacy we witness explosion new technology and the expansion of the government's surveillance powers. and i might say those powers not just in the federal government but state governments. well currently and until this bill becomes law it would be was very easy for agencies to get access to anything that's been stored on a third of server third party server for more than one hundred eighty days so that's a about six months if you've kept something as we do list as most of us do often keep emails and private communications because as we know we have so much storage so this was so much easier to be able to get what they would call an a

just want to stand up and put a major shout out for leader nancy pelosi and norm poland and patrick leahy. all of whom -- [applause] >> all of whom -- [applause] not just great leadership. real, deep personal commitments. and we shouldn't just thank them. we should shout their names across the land. and i actually, i do not -- i can't even consider the number of lives that have been transformed and saved by these people. and it must be millions. and people are alive because these people exist. gene sperling is here tonight. these people are heroes to me. it's a critic duty with the global citizen in mind. and you know if george bush was here. and i know his daughter, barbra is here, i would get matt dame on the kiss him on the lips. and i would give him a more sort of irish, macho sort of handshake thing. and you know, it's incredible. it's incredible what -- you know george bush, president bush's name is in the history books. it's on the forward. raised health crisis in 600 years, both sides working. if bill clinton was here at his alma mater. well, i'd just get him to make the speech. i

leahy: mr. president, i think the distinguished senior senator from florida has done the senate and the country a service for what he has -- by what he has said. you know, mr. president, we each represent our own states. we have matters of interest in our states, but there are also so many times national interests. during this past recess, i was in just about every part of vermont. i am stopped time and time again by vermont farmers who ask why congress left town without passing a farm bill. they knew we passed it here in the senate but why hadn't it finished? and like my fellow vermonters, i have been -- i have been frustrated by the refusal of the leadership of the house of representatives to consider the legislation sent to them by the senate to extend the farm bill. in fact, they have blocked consideration of a bipartisan farm bill, one that mirrors the legislation passed in their own body by the house agriculture committee. now, mr. president, i have been here nearly 38 years. i have served

duration of pledges elation as well as participation in oversight and confirmation process, senator leahy has harkin back to basic constitutional principles of respect for the structural constitution more than i can remember any other senator doing. is this having an impact? well, the senate by design is a place where things move very slowly and so more time is needed to determine whether senator lias hoping to pave the way for a lasting cultural shift in congress. but i think we know this. more individuals have been fired to run for public office because of senator lee's work enough or is precisely because they want strength and respect for the original constitution in washington. more americans are talking about the constitution because of senator leahy and more intelligently members of the senate, including his own caucus are feeling just a little more pain and anxiety when they backed efforts to lack a firm foundation the founding principles. knowing senator lee will be there at the barricades with a copy of his dogeared pocket constitution. bochum back, senator lee. [applause] >> tha

. >> tara leahy, pastor tim lucas. they are putting their words into action, to bring a little bit of warmth and maybe rebuilding on this day of thanks. bro brooke? >> and delicious food and mighty tlishs pumpkin pie. what a great effort in staten island. >> great way to spend your thanksgiving, too. >>> could there be a lasting deal between israel and gaza? we'll speak with the spokeswoman for the palestinian national authority next. >>> thanksgiving day parade starts in about half an hour. you're watching "starting point." [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. buy now. save later. >>>

i am proud of working with senator leahy and the congressman and the governor. we've brought from washington over 400 million to help this state rebuild from hurricane irene to be the next two years the state is going to lead the nation because the federal support in terms of high-quality broadband coming to everybody in the state of vermont. we are making progress and clearly a lot more has to be done and i would very much appreciate the opportunity to continue my work in the senate. >> moderator: mr. moss of the peace and prosperity are the final candidate to speak tonight. stifel thank you. i do not have time to go over the ten bills to try to introduce. if you will elect me on november 6th, however, this contains all of my ideas and it is on-line web site, petermoss.org. i think the few that i've already mentioned, the most important is the term of office that without it would take money out of politics because if anybody gave any candidate reelection money it is impossible and would offend a criminal violations both in the state and federal books to read an

. >> thurmond-leahy rule. >> angus king, from maine, claiming the party alignment is up for grabs. his initial request is he would align with whatever party agreed to push for essentially doing away with the current filibuster rules. harry reid made clear he is not willing to go that far. i know still think angus king will align with a democrat. he endorsed obama. >> and he said yesterday he had conversations with him in the past 24 hours. >> and a phone call with bob corker. the point being that this is the kind of thing that i think a lot of freshmen -- king most vocal among them, they will come to the senate and say let us not spend our first months of this silliness of gratuitous filibuster and blocking a holding everything. let's clear out the underbrush. like you are speaking about, who none of us ever heard of. these are assistant secretaries that one or two senators even care about. >> i think a wrinkle is depending on how much it gets done in a lame duck and how much a new congress has to deal with particularly janet we're february -- if they are still struggling to find a

i want to make a major share of debt for leader nancy pelosi and senators pat leahy. all of whom not just great leadership, real personal commitment. we should not just think them. we should shout their names across the land. i cannot even consider the number of lives that had been transformed in say by these people. it must be millions. people are right because these people exist. these people are heroes. this is civic duty. with the global citizen and mind. george bush is here. i would get matt damon to kiss him on the lips. i would give him a more irish, macho handshake. it is incredible. president bush's name is in the history books. the greatest health crisis and 600 years. both sides working. i just want to thank bono here. i want to thank bono. [applause] i want to thank bono for stepping away from the microphone. i knew he could not rhyme. i am so glad he can fall back on adding and subtracting. it might be the one thing all of us can agree on. all of this happened without social media. can you imagine? can you imagine what you can accomplish? that leverage if

the thurman road which was -- >> the thurman leahy rule. spent the person to look to for some guidance here is a interesting, the senator-elect from maine. who was governor as an independent. you probably all know this by now but is coming to washington, claiming that he is his party installation, his party a lime is up for grabs. his initial request was that he would align with whichever party agreed to push for a essentially a doing away with the current filibuster rules. harry reid has made clear he's not going to go that far but we still think angus king will end up combining with the democrats. he did after all endorsed obama. >> and he said yesterday that he had several conversations with him in the past 24 hours. >> and the best he could do was get a phone call from bob corker. sounds like only one side is courting him. but the point being that it is, this is the kind of thing, i think a lot of freshmen, king most locally among them, they come to the table, come to the senate and say let us not spend our first months in this so there

i'm pleased this amendment is cosponsored by senators akaka, boxer, begich, durbin, harkin, leahy, mikulski, and mccaskill and tester p. i might point out there is no such provision included in the house ndaa bill. i would like to note what this amendment does not do. it would not prevent the department of defense from downsizing the civilian work force, indeed according to the house armed services committee, the department is already reducing its civilian work force by over 10,000 positions in fy 2012 alone. it would not treat service contractors any different than civilian employees. the goal of this amendment is pretty simple. i would reaffirm the law that prohibits d.o.d. from managing its civilian work force by arbitrary constraints. that's what this provision that i am asking to be stricken by my amendment, would do. it would set caps and cuts. downsizing is inevitable but consistent with the law. it should be based on the work load analysis and the budgets that are provided through the congressional process. this would repudiate the whole notion that what happens in qun department's

leader said, senator mcconnell, the republican leader said, senator stabenow, senator harkin and senator leahy, and i want to -- them to know that i appreciate very much the recognition that i got. i hope it's nothing special because i hope i am just exhibiting the work ethic of iowans generally, which i think are very -- work very hard. and if i could, if it's not impossible, i'd like to place what i just said in the record after the majority leader spoke. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. grassley: thank you. i meant the majority leader when he spoke at 2:30. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. grassley: mr. president, i'm getting the runaround from the inspector general at the department of defense, and my remarks which are fairly lengthy will be connected with that problem i'm having. with sequestration looming on the horizon, congress needs a truly independent department of defense audit oversight capability. we need it to root out waste. as my friend from oklahoma, senator coburn, knows all too well, rooting department of defense waste is no easy task. his new repor

i want to make a major share of debt for leader nancy pelosi and senators pat leahy. and norm coleman. all of whom not just great leadership, real personal commitment. we should not just think them. we should shout their names across the land. i cannot even consider the number of lives that had been transformed in say by these people. it must be millions. people are right because these people exist. these people are heroes. this is civic duty. with the global citizen and mind. george bush is here. i would get matt damon to kiss him on the lips. i would give him a more irish, macho handshake. it is incredible. president bush's name is in the history books. the greatest health crisis and 600 years. both sides working. i just want to thank bono here. i want to thank bono. [applause] i want to thank bono for stepping away from the microphone. i knew he could not rhyme. i am so glad he can fall back on adding and subtracting. it might be the one thing all of us can agree on. all of this happened without social media. can you imagine? can you imagine what you can accomplish

leahy and mr. google they're bringing 10 lockheed martin. the military industrial complex is here because mr. sanders invited them to pay $9 million to the university. that is ahead deal. we need to separate. >>moderator: while mr. sanders asks the question you were a music. why? sanders: . moss: mr. sanders toxin generalities but never specifics. his answer is work real hard. you'll hear him say that five or 10 times during the one-hour broadcast because he tells the voters what he thinks they want to hear. but what does he have to do? >>moderator: i would give you a chance to respond but please clarify cris ericson will use adjusting mitt romney in the debate when he use the reference to big bird he was not talking about "sesame street"? ericson: i think when president obama first raised the issue what he is really saying is to watch out for the big yellow bird that is china. >>moderator: mitt romney brought it up. ericson: he said it second. sanders: and with the transportation bill we will have $400 million to build roads and bridges and

had picked that point in my opinion adequately responded to what the president did by invoking the leahy thurmond rule, refusing to process additional judicial nominees within a category beyond that point. so i regarded that as a sufficient response. i said at the outset until such time as my party response or until i get some assurance of the president this won't happen again, i'm going to continue to vote no. as to the second part of your question, if harry reid undertakes this very nuclear option at tinkering with the filibuster rule, if every anticipated he tries to shut down the process of cloture votes on motions to proceed, we will regard that as a threat to the institution and a threat to our system of rules, a threat to our system that is made within a supposedly the greatest of it but it legislators body in the world and there will be a strong and proportional response. i can't tell you exactly what that will be a in part because we don't know what form harry reid's efforts might take, nor are we certain he's going to do it yet. for trying to convince them it's not a disinteres

. >> thurmond leahy rule. >> and biscayne, from maine -- king, claiming the party alignment is up for grabs. his initial request is he would align with whatever party agreed to push for essentially doing away with the current filibuster rules. harry reid made clear he is not willing to go that far. i know still think angus king will align with a democrat. he endorsed obama. >> and he said yesterday he had conversations with him in the past 24 hours. >> and a phone call with bob corker. the point being that this is the kind of thing that i think a lot of freshmen -- king most vocal among them, they will come to the senate and say let us not spend our first months of this silliness of gratuitous filibuster and blocking a holding everything. let's clear out the underbrush. like you are speaking about, who none of us ever heard of. these are assistant secretary is -- assistant secretaries that one or two senators even carry about. then i think a wrinkle is depending on how much it gets done in a lame duck and how much a new congress has to deal with particularly janet we're february -- if

leahy, and they're bringing in sandia corporation, and they're bringing in lockheed martin. so the industrial, the military industrial complex is here because mr. sanders invited them here. and made sure that they come here and pay, sandia pays $9 million to the university of -- that's a cheap sellout, $9 million to militarize the state of vermont. we need to get out of this state, the united states. we need to separate. >> moderator: two follow-ups to this round. mr. moss, while mr. sanders is asking that question, you were amused. why? moss: mr. sanders always talks in generalities and never in specifics. his favorite solution is growth, we will work real hard at that. and you will hear him say that five or ten times during an hour broadcast. why does he do that? because he tells the voters what he thinks they want to hear. and then he asks his sponsors that finance his $6 million plus campaign kitty what he has to do to earn that $6 million. >> moderator: i'll give you a chance to respond in a moment, but, first, can you clarify for me, cris erickson, were you specifying

on behalf of senator leahy, i ask unanimous consent that a fellow on the senate judicial committee, be granted privileges of the floor. >> without objection, so ordered. >> mr. president, for the last year, the president has been focused on the difference between republicans and democrats. for the last two years, this congress has not accomplished nearly enough. as we closed the 112th congress, it is time to focus on our shared goals and our common purpose. we will all agree that today great now challenges facing our country and this congress. those challenges are large -- too large to be solved by democrats alone and two large to be undertaken by republicans alone, and they are too grave for us to allow political differences to stand in the way of success. on the day gerald ford became president of the u.s., at a time of great national turmoil, this is what he said -- "there is no way we can go forward except together and no way anyone can win except by serving the people's urgent needs. we cannot stand still of slip backwards. we must go forward now together." so said gerald ford. mr

leahy and they are bringing incendiary corporation and lockheed martin so the industrial -- the military industrial complex is here because mr. sanders invited him here and make sure they come here and pay $9 million that is a cheap sellout to militarize the state of vermont. we need to separate. >> moderator: to follow this round, mr. moss, while mr. sanders was answering that question you were in the test. why? moss: all of these talks of the generalities and not specific he is, quote, worked hard at that and you will hear him say that during an hour broadcast. why don't you do that? because he tells the voters what they think they want to hear. >> moderator: can you clarify for me or you suggesting that mitt romney in the debate where he used the reference of big bird that he wasn't talking about the big bird from sesame street that i understand you right on that? - when president obama first raised the issue what he is really saying is we have to watch out for the big yellow word which is china. as the mitt romney is the one that brought it up. >> he brought it up second. >> mr. sand

leahy: mad leahy: ahmadinejs the particle -- mr. leahy: madam president, what is the parliamentary situation? are we in morning business? the presiding officer: we are postcloture on s. 3525. mr. leahy: i thank the distinguished presiding officer. i'd ask consent to proceed for no more than five minutes as though in morning business and then resume back in the normal regular order. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. leahy: madam president, vermont is a small state but it's filled with very big people. perhaps none are better known or more well-liked and more respected than antonio parmelow. he's the vermont chamber of commerce 2012 vermont citizen of the year. vermonters have known antonio parmelow by many names. either call him mr. p. or tony. my wife and i also have the good fortune of calling him "uncle tony." he is my wife's uncle and they have the -- they have a family bond which i admire. but no matter what we call him, we all agree the best term to describe uncle tony is "generous." this is not the first time i've

leahy: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from vermont. mr. leahy: madam president, i ask unanimous consent that the call of the quorum be dispensed with. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. leahy: madam president and ththe distinguished presiding officer would know what i'm saying by this. it was a pleasure and an honor for this senator to have served side by side with the late senator from new hampshire, warren rudman. as we in new england knew and of course people in new hampshire and vermont especially knew, he was a skilled and accomplished legislator. he was a credit to this body. he was a cat cat catalyst for . he always kept his word and he was a good and close friend. we traveled together. we worked together. we never let our different political parties get in the way of doing things that helped our part of the country or helped the country at large. i think he was shaped by his experience as well as business his yankee origins. an army infantry commander, he saw much action in the korean conflict. he had been a widely respe

my cosponsors include senator akaka, mikulski, begich, brown of ohio, boxer, leahy and tester. i would ask my colleagues to approve the amendment. mr. mccain: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from arizona. mr. mccain: this amendment which was unanimously approved by the committee as a provision and it would review the plan to reduce civilian and contractual personnel by 5%. right now the president's budget request, not counting sequester, would reduce military personnel by 123,900 men and women serving in the military, or 5.5% over five years. since 2001, the civilian personnel and department of defense has increased by 100,000, 16% increase, and a 37% increase in civilian pay costs. the department of defense continues to be top-heavy with headquarters. the office of the secretary will grow by 25% from 2001 to 2017. we all know the department of defense is being downsized so there has to be obviously a commensurate reduction in civilians, which is actually less than what is contemplated in the military. this was unanimously reported, and i have had conversation