once again congratulations to anacita, gwen, shirley, and karen. can we have all the other recipients of this pres tangibleious award -- please stand if you're able. okay. don't be shy gosh. again how about a big round of applause for all these standing. [applause] one of the greatest awards is to be honored by your community, by your own people, so again my hats off to all the recipients for this year. we give thanks to the native american aids proyektd, the mayor's office office of services, each bay health center, aqmd, the health center of santa clara valley and once again we applaud you and we thank you. [applause] going back over to our singers. smoky bay, two starts and a song -- one of your favorites and napsters two starts as well. dancers, do you want to come in? all right. here we go. make them dance. (drums). >> good singing. good dancing. here we go. rocking san francisco city hall. good dancing. all right. (drums). napsters take it away. two starts. all right. we would like to get the honorees. if the honorees could come up here by th

but i don't think we need to do it that way, karen. whether -- we can't do a big deal before december 31st, so let's go -- if we have to go over the cliff, go over the cliff, but then in the next two weeks or so or three weeks, let's put together a real deal, and a real deal means everybody doesn't like it. and that means that we democrats are going to have some things in there that we don't like. too much -- big cuts in social spending, real entitlement reform we may agree with. and the president has already put that on the table, some things that the democratic base is kicking their heels up about. but we've got to do that if we're going to get $1.2 trillion or $1.2 trillion in revenue. >> but, guys, here is the question i have and governor, i'm going to start with, the question i have when i hear that is -- again, i get the politics, but what's to say we go over the cliff, what he is to say that we'll be able to get the republicans back to the table, the president will be able to get the republicans back to the table and get a deal

karen? >> i would just say it is, and that is true, but let's not disconnect that from this issue of domestic violence and assault on women and the republicans in congress who essentially are sending a message that says it's okay to beat up certain kinds of women. native american women, women who are in this country illegally. they don't like some of the particulars in this legislation that addresses real problems. toure, as i have heard you talk about this earlier this week, i agree with the gun control piece, but i think we do a disservice to our culture and our society when we don't see that all of this is connected. >> michelle, you have the last word. >> well, i think whatever people are talking about with the gun culture here, you're going to have a hard sell getting anybody to talk about this in the political sphere. you can't get democratic politicians out there during the campaign. nobody was rushing to talk about this. it is still fairly toxic. >> it is tragically so. toure, karen

meteorologist karen maginnis joins us with the latest. what are you hearing right now, karen? >> the form is moving rapidly through the great lakes. it's ushered in snowfall in places like chicago and northern illinois that have not seen snow for 290 days. that is a record. this imagery coming out of williamsburg, iowa, you may see two people kind of sliding on the ice as they are being blown across a layer of ice on the roadway by 60 mile-an-hour winds and then in ames, iowa, kevin says the visibility was down to about 100 feet and it's the heaviest snowfall they've seen so far this season but also the heaviest snowfall that they've seen since 2009.

buff he says at least in this case, that's not going on. >> yeah. >> kate, it's karen. let me ask you something. though it might seem unseemly a little bit, there really isn't technically wrong with, let's say ackman were to have told people, listen, i'm going to be very bearish on herbalife some time before december. i can understand why the ceo would be unhappy, but there really isn't anything wrong with that. it's not material information, is it? >> sure. a hedge fund manager, any trader is welcome to express their views, correct? and, you know, he will be giving a two-hour presentation with quite a bit of detail about where he came to feel this way tomorrow. so, sure, i'm with you. i mean, fair disclosure. he's essentially conveying to the world that this is his new idea and he feels very strongly about it. so, i hear you. for herbalife, it's more negative information that had to answer a lot of questions about their distribution network, who buys and sells their products. a lot of question about that. the country of belgium sued them, accusing them, in their words,

>> you know, really, karen, what you see is what you get here. we're in the am not, are too kind of stage of the school yard fight. seriously. we often see the two leaders square off like this on the floor of the senate. they just have a bigger audience this time and the stakes are exponentially higher than usual, but this is the kind of dysfunction that has led us to this point. what we are likely to see, as luke is reporting, the house come in. they can hardly stay out of town when the nation does go over the cliff. as seems increasingly likely at this point. and what we will undoubtedly see is a last minute flurry of activity, i'm going to go out on a limb, that will amount to a lot of approximates touring and covering of backsides to ensure the other side gets the maximum amount of blame. yes, there will likely be meetings and a flurry of phone calls, but the bottom line and luke has reported quite accurately, the house speaker is not going to put a bill on the floor that does not -- that runs afoul of the invial lat tenets. he will not put s

and karen the drudge report going crazy. jared loughner used handgun and you couldn't write legislation that did not try to take that gun out of jared loughner's hand. we had a weapon that was used. i think he modified his ar 15 to be able to shoot more people faster but yeah, i think part of what is happening. we talked about this last night. people don't realize how broken our system really is. these guns are available when people should not have them. what that means, that is about mass killing. that is not about being a sportsman. that is part of what is being driven home right now. when the nra is throwing around all sorts of fake notions that are in the fake dialogue. no one is saying that you can stop everyone of these things. how hard do you you want to make it? the risk of the gun in the home is greater than the benefit. as the owner of the gun in connecticut found out when his son got his hands on it. and the accidents happen in homes with guns. how hard is that to find out. >> go figure. the other issue today is t

third presentation in 16 hours so karen brodak before you on 181 fremont street. the item before you is discussion and possible action to recommend to the planning commission the net shadow pr proposed 181 fremont will not have adverse impact on use of union square pursuant to planning code section 295, the sunlight ordinance. b, portion be allocated to the proposed project 181 fremont street and adopt finding under the california environmental quality act and adopt mitigation monitoring and reporting. we presented this item for review at the capital committee. we are speaking on the same presentation. we provided a bit more information as you received, an additional attachment under attachment e. you received updated exhibit 1 also under e. so full packet should be available to you. i should be able to do a presentation. joined by kevin guy from the planning department. if you have questions for him as well. thank you. >> as you can see this is a map of the transit center district plan that this commission also reviewed with the planning commission in october. th

. >> karen finney, i want to ask you about the same question, this ten days business. but i also want to amendment that question or expand it. how much damage did the republicans do last night by blowing up plan "b"? in other words, does that take them out of the power position in the negotiations? >> absolutely. because i think at this point, it's pretty clear that any kind of -- boehner could not get, what? 117 votes. so it's clear whatever happens next, he's not going to be able to rely on his own caucus to make that happen. that means, who do you need? nancy pelosi and you're going to have to get democrats to get something through the house. and so, i certainly think republicans hurt themselves in their leverage and look at the polling, 51% of americans have a favorable view of democrats, 31% of americans have a favorable view of republicans, and i can't imagine after watching what happened last night that those numbers for republicans have gotten better. i imagine they've gotten worse. i think the last thing i'll say here is for speaker boehner, he is in a very we

so what 2012, karen in the end, was it a referendum or a choice? that's the question that we kept having. >> it was the exact question we kept asking a year ago. given the state of the economy, given how most people felt whether the country was on the right track, it should have been a referendum on barack obama's performance. but his campaign was determined to make it a choice between him and mitt romney. and what was really remarkable is by time election day rolled around, the election had almost become a referendum on mitt romney. gwen: yeah, funny how they turned that around. after it was all over, a lot of the things we didn't believe during the campaign, the obama people said oh, we figured this out. we know who our voters are. we know where to spend the money. we thought they were boasting. and it turns out they were right. >> the one thing, really, i think defied everybody's expectations is what the obama campaign said they were going to do, was that they were going to turn out an electorate in 2012 that looked very much like the electorate

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thanks, karen. love your mississippi outdoors. i vote for your florida beaches, dawn. bill, this louisiana seafood is delicious. we're having such a great year on the gulf, we've decided to put aside our rivalry. now is the perfect time to visit anyone of our states. the beaches and waters couldn't be more beautiful. take a boat ride, go fishing or just lay in the sun. we've got coastline to explore and wildlife to photograph. and there's world class dining with our world famous seafood. so for a great vacation this year, come to the gulf. its all fabulous but i give florida the edge. right after mississippi. you mean alabama. say louisiana or there's no dessert. this invitation is brought to you by bp and all of us who call the gulf home. ♪ silver and gold ♪ silver and gold >> who is this? >> good call. ♪ silver and gold >> thought it was dennis gartman. >> gold continues to trade below $16.50, down 4% in the month alone. is this once winning unraveling? doc, you noticed unusual activity here. >> yeah, just like the bonds you're looking for, is money coming out

that's karen. karen's the only one. >> karen? yeah, i just spoke to you. tavis: i get called many other things around here, but only karen calls me mr. smiley. >> you know, i don't know. i want to be with my people. that's what i want to be with. i mean, obviously, i've done a lot of things. i never thought i'd do them. i barely got out of high school and i look back at my life often and go, "wow, this was awesome!" but i don't know. you have to carry it forward, so i don't know what i'm gonna do with that. tavis: how often do you get a chance to interact with the kids who actually read your books? >> you know, that's the reason... tavis: you got a nice app, by the way, too. >> they did an amazing app of one of my books, my balloon book which is called "where do balloons go? an uplifting mystery" about loss and letting go and creativity. a company came to me and said, "we'd like to make an app of your book" and it's [bleep] fantastic, like crazy great. tavis: i saw it. >> it's so much fun. you make balloon animals and you can send faxes and emails and send

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karen, let me bring you in. look, in that meandering morass of a message, if you can call it that, the main point that he was expressing seemed to be this idea of putting an armed guard or community watch person in every school in the country. isn't it ironic that wane lapierre's solution is to create an army of george zimmermanermans who will be armed to defend their own particular bias or perspective. >> not to mention it was the nra opposed to putting more cops on the street during the clinton administration. here is part of the larger problem that both the conservative movement frankly writ large as well as the gun movement is facing, their arguments no longer stack up. you had lapierre talking about we need a database to track people with mental illness when they have been the principal people standing in way of us having the kind of database that could have told police officers in aurora, colorado, that they had somebody that was not only amassing a number of weapons but ammunition. we don't have a kind of

and karen, these two women are the fairy godmothers of this project. we would not be here without all the people that you heard from, but we would not be here without them. give thermometer a big round of applause. [ applause ] >> we have also got on city staff our aquatic director greg scott. [ applause ] >> and let's see, who else did we get up here? huh? mindy. mindy is on my list. i am the last speaker. they are going to try to limit me to the public hearing three minutes and i'm going to try to stick to that, probably not. [ [ laughter ] after i'm finished we're going to turn some dirt. we have a food truck because we deposit want anybody hungry. you guys patronize them if you will. mel sharp and his band are going to be back playing after the speeches. so hang around and party down. i just have a few people that i need to thank. [ laughter ] i will do the short list. of course the mayor. mayor lee has had a lot of celebrating to do this week. we're really grateful here is here. our district 3 supervisor david chiu and his staff. they never pick up the phone or answer an email wi

i have to add to karen's insight, democrats have elevated him, so has the media. the fact we are talking about him now adds to his mystique and power. i think grover used to be one of the only games in town when it came to spokesmen for this kind of movement and someone able to imply this pressure, there are other people on the right who can do this, other people just as good as he is. i have to say, this pledge has made the most sense to voters because it seems very simple. the fact it has loopholes and what not, i don't see people, oh, they violated the pledge, but there is that loophole. people now are looking for congress to make some common sense decisions and tom cole sounds like he's making common sense. his argument is as simple as no new taxes. >> thank you so much, once again, do appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> thank you. >>> 29 days left to avoid falling off the cliff. the house speaker says the negotiations are going nowhere. we'll talk to a top financial services committee member and democrat maxine waters straight ahead. >>> plus, many saw las

is karen nikoboli in the audience? if anyone else would like to speak, please line up on the side of the room if you can. >> good afternoon, my name is ernestine weiss and first of all, eric, i want to congratulate you on this legislation. it is so needed i cannot tell you enough. it is incredible that we have to be exposed to smoke that leads to cancer. you walk along the sidewalk and people puff right into your face. it's awful. you really have to walk with a mask on it's so prefl leapt. i yell at all these young people with cigarettes in their hands, throw it away, it's poison. some thank me and some look at me askapbs like what do i know. my father and brother died from this, unnecessarily, my father at 41 and i was only 6 years old and i never forgot it because it deprived me of his love and caring all my life. and my brother luckily lived to be 72 because he quit at one time and then he went back and all of a sudden he had a headache, they found that he had brain cancer and it started in his lungs. so it was from

karen, you first. how is anything going to get done on gun legislation or any kind of changes at all with firearms when they can't even get together on the fiscal cliff? >> well, i think it's like the president said today. he needs help from the american people and from the outside. i think it's so important, the activism that we've seen, i mean just in the last few days over this sort of chained index on social security. i think it's for the american people to make it clear what is acceptable and what is not acceptable, and to raise the stakes for members of congress who fail to act. that is the only way we're going to get anything done. >> and if the republicans stand shoulder to shoulder, we'll be right back here talking about it for a long, long time. they haven't moved on anything else. on budget negotiations, sam stein, this is the second time the president has offered john boehner a grand bargain of sorts, and it's the second time he has rejected it. why is this happening? >> you know, it's a gr

karen, who is bullish and ge, who is bearish. karin, state your case. >> there is a lot to love about bank of america. proving real estate market, that will help him. consumer spending will improve. much improvement in the credit portfolio, rising interest rates will be good. i think we will see that and you will have declining litigation and other expensives. still trading at a significant amount to book and the only thing i don't like about it is that the stock has been up a lot recently. other than that, i still own it, not looking to trade around it. think is there room to run at bank of america. >> she makingses a cogent argum. there are a couple things in the short term. housing data that could be a bit of bogey. what about the delinquent loans on the books, if they turn into foreclosure, i think they will, i don't think that augers particularly well. the situation in new york hasn't been cleaned up and a bogey and at some point investors want them to raise the dividend, which is paltry. a good word, paltry and will buy bac

thanks, karen. love your mississippi outdoors. i vote for your florida beaches, dawn. bill, this louisiana seafood is delicious. we're having such a great year on the gulf, we've decided to put aside our rivalry. now is the perfect time to visit anyone of our states. the beaches and waters couldn't be more beautiful. take a boat ride, go fishing or just lay in the sun. we've got coastline to explore and wildlife to photograph. and there's world class dining with our world famous seafood. so for a great vacation this year, come to the gulf. its all fabulous but i give florida the edge. right after mississippi. you mean alabama. say louisiana or there's no dessert. this invitation is brought to you by bp and all of us who call the gulf home. >>> one of president obama's initial proposals to avert the fiscal cliff included $50 billion in new infrastructure spending. that as we know landed with a thud among congressional republicans but despite that reaction, it doesn't seem like the president is backing down. >> the second thing that we've got to do is stabilize the econo

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so for you, karen, this year, the donald trump award goes to? >> oh, i have to say herman cain, in that interview, and he couldn't remember -- >> and that video we just saw. >> maybe a close second with governor perry, with trying to remember the three agencies, ouch, ouch, ouch, it just hurt, it hurt. >> and the difference was, perry actually was running for president, and cain was running for fame. joy? the donald trump award. >> well, i'm going to go with john sununu, he was the worst surrogate. >> it is so good to be rid of him. >> he was everything that was wrong with the republican party's brand. surly, racially insensitive, ugly, just awful. and he just kept talking. >> the donald trump award goes to who this year? >> my trump award goes to karl rove, on election night, on politics, election night he had no idea what was going on. and on policy, this was the year when we really saw the public turn against his enduring legacy of trying to write state legislation into the constitution against people who happen to be gay. the public and the

. >> my sister, karen, has a disability, and i started getting the dogs to help me and my sister, karen. you know, kids want to be kids, of course. i didn't want to have the responsibility of my sister, karen, so i used to get one of our first dogs to stay with her, and then, when she needed me, she could tell him, and he would come and find me. >> the school trains dogs to help people with disabilities become more independent. most of the adw's trainers are adults, but jill wanted to give kids the experience she had as a child. >> ah-choo! >> i think for kids who are truly interested in it and want to take this further into animal behavior or vet school or training for the movies, training for whatever, i think this is a really great place to start that lets you really kind of explore whether this is something you really want to do later on in life. >> the school is based in santa fe, new mexico, and trains dozens of service dogs each year. for these teens, the class is actually part of their school day. >> you take it like you take math. you get a credit for it, you take it every day,

karen? >> good morning. we are seeing quite a bit of action out there as investors read the late e from congress. we're sitting up for a slight tick higher in u.s. markets. a bit of a recovery trade after that sell-off yesterday. one stock we're keeping focus on is the stock exchange. it's ticked higher by 12%. this is based on reports that rival operator intercontinental exchange could be about to make a play for the nyse. this may feel like an old story. it is the second time around, about two years ago ic teamed up with the nasdaq in a bid for the nyse. this was blocked because regulators were concerned about all stock offers being under one roof in new york. according to sources, deal could be worth about $8 billion. that would constitute about a 37% premium to wednesday's closing price. but stand by for more detail on this possibly today, mark. >> karen, thank you. as always, let us know why you're awake and watching. shoot us an e-mail at waytooearly@msnbc.com or tweet me @markhalperin. >>> still ahead