this video was taken at wyoming premium farm. filthy conditions, neglect. pigs in tiny cages where they don't have room to move around for weeks on end. now, this plant supplies big-name companies. >> oh, this is so heartbreaking. >> this sow has a broken leg and watch what somebody does. they put pressure on that broken limb, even though that pig is having a hard time walking. as you can see there, they're throwing pigs around. he's treating that pig like a rag doll. tossing them around like they're sacks is of flour. this video was secretly recorded in april, and was released in may, caused a lot of controversy, as i'm sure everyone would expect, but recently nine people were arrested on animal cruelty charges. dr. jason hawker is with the anbc. they have taken over the management of the farm, and they issued a statement saying they are committed to ensuring that swine health and welfare are adequately provided for every day. >> there's no reason to act the way that they did. >> yeah. they are being raised for human consumption, but they still don't deser

almost 4 years, whether it was going off to sundance or to writer's retreat they have in sheritan, wyoming -- is that where you went? . >> that was in utah and la as well, down there at the institute. >> they have another writer's retreat in sheritan, wyoming, so i spent time out there and we workshoped this in san francisco, we have done readings at the asia society in new york. each time we did a workshop, each time we did a reading, it moved the piece forward. i think in large part it has to do with working with cary pearloff, the director, but she is also an excellent dramator. she worked closely with me in terms of the writing of the material so as we went along, we were able to shape the piece as well as figure out how to stage it. it's an interesting piece in that i wrote it with a number of small themes and the choice is you either present it like a doll house, or rear view window where you have kind of a cut out and you kind of jump from one room to another, or -- and this was my preference -- to develop some kind of cinematic approach to allow for there to be a fluidity in all th

police in wyoming say, a man killed two people before killing himself... in a college classroom in casper. investigators say, the rampage actually started about 2 -miles away from casper college.. where the man killed someone in a neighborhood, with a "sharp- edged" weapon. classroom in a science building.. killed the teacher.. then killed himself in front of students. police say, the man was not a student.. but he did apparently know his victims. the army private charged with leaking classified information to the web site wikileaks, says he was considering suicide during his pre-trial confinement. bradley manning testified on the fourth day of a hearing at fort meade near baltimore. he admitted he went as far as fashioning a noose out of a bedsheet in his cell. manning is trying to get the case against him dismissed.. he claims he was punished illegally, by being held for nine -months in restrictive conditions. charges that could put him his life, if convicted. a missouri family has come forward as one of two winners in wednesday's but a second confirmed

. >>> tonight a troubling story out of kation per, wyoming. a professor and his girlfriend were both killed and police say it was the professor's son who did it. nick valencia joins me now. nick, police say the suspect shot his father with a bow and arrow in front of a room of cle college students? >> incredibly troubling day and one you hope never happens in your community. we talked to casper, wyoming, police department a while ago and they told me their investigation is ongoing but they still don't have a motive for exactly what happened. what we do know about the suspect, 25-year-old chris crumb, who is the son of one of the professors killed in this incident, with he know that chris crumb drove at some point recently from connecticut, vernon, connecticut, to wyoming, 2,000 miles. at some point friday something snapped. that's when police say he killed his father's live-in girlfriend and traveled to local casper community college and killed his father. what the miraculous thing in this whole incident that happened is that his father was al

hollywood home to heart relocation center, a japanese treatment camp in wyoming. he took numerous photographs that document a day to day life of the japanese-americans holder. eric muller, editor of trade to presents photographs from the collection while speaking at the interpretive learning center in wyoming. this is about 45 minutes. [applause] >> thanks and good afternoon, everyone. i want you to take a minute and conjure up in your mind an image of world war ii. just try to get an image in your mind of world war ii. i'll make a couple of suggestions. you might try picturing a burning u.s. warship at pearl harbor. or if you'd rather do a happier image, how about a man kissing a woman, leaning and kissing a woman in times square in new york on the third day. or maybe you prefer politics. how about churchville, stalin and roosevelt a filter sitting down together. maybe that image. or maybe you'd rather think of something from the america of that area roughly, maybe a little bit earlier, the great depression, to get an image in your mind of the great depression. i

you didn't have to do that to wyoming. to go to delare man pick on us. >> we made it to deadwood. >> did you go to the wyoming game in laramie? >> no, no. did you go over? >> no, i didn't get down to it either. here we go. okay ,-com,-com ma my god, call the cops. this is bizarre. annie, how are you? >> it's good to see you, sir. how are you? >> you are the doctor, aren't you? >> i am the doctor. hey, nina. >> how are you? it's good to see you. >> the having gotten me but i'm 80. >> that is what david said to me. >> how is david? >> he is good. i just said hi to norm. >> up the japanese relocation, he was behind barbed wire. he will never forget when he took me. >> we were definitely ahead. >> i didn't know. >> i didn't no. >> you didn't? >> no i didn't know. >> where is ann? there she is, she is talking with elizabeth dole. the white-haired lady with the gray jacket. how about your dad? >> he is 101 and still trucking. >> al abrams says hello. we used to give him fits. >> he was claiming he was in simpson. >> do you remem

. >>> un hombre matÓ a una persona en wyoming y finalmente se suicidÓ, utilizo un arco y flecha, todavÍa no fue identificado, pero no se trata de un alumno del colegio, todavÍa no dieron mÁs detalles las autoridades. >>> un tren cargado de componentes quÍmicos se descarilo en nueva york, los productos tÓxicos se esparcieron en el agua. >>> acaba de producirse la primera redada por parte de agentes de inmigraciÓn despuÉs de la elecciÓn presidencial, detuvieron a mÁs de 30 inmigrantes, el gobierno asegura que no se trato de una cacerÍa de inmigrantes, pero como dice viviana, activistas sostienen lo contrario. >>> esta fabrica de tarima de madera fue blanco de un nuevo operativo federal, el primero que se iniciÓ desde hace mucho antes de las elecciÓn. fueron hallanadas como parte de una investigaciÓn, a uno lo dejaron liberado porque tiene un marcapasos. >>> nos metieron al comedor, y nos preguntaron si tenÍamos papeles o no. lÓgicamente que no tenemos. >>> la oficina de ice confirmÓ que durante el cumplimiendo de las ordenes de registro agentes arrestaron a 34 personas por v

what is this guy doing in wyoming? another guy stands up. ted kennedy, he's here in wyoming. that guy is so horse's. simpson jumps up to rest of the back of the room, grabbed the guy who, when he comes back again kennedy says, good heavens, that was magnificent. i had no idea that this was kennedy country. adelle looked at him and said, ted, it's not. it's horse country. [applause] senator alan simpson. >> well, this is beyond repair here. it several people have come up to me and said, let me tell you a new story. go ahead. i'm wired. oh, well, i'll save it for later. anyway. if i start around this room, some wonderful people here, and i'm not going to do that. haven't had a drink. will little later. i have to say, took the silver. what he really forgot to say is, when he was 17 he borrowed a car , a rental from chevrolet and drove it to seattle. it was not our rental. it was called stolen. and he came to me. i heard you're a mess. what about me. you're a mess. come on in here. you're a very salvageable human being. so we were linked at the hip way back there. that's a true s

. >>> a deadly attack at a college campus in wyoming. what investigators are saying about the suspect and the connection with two of his victims. >>> we're going to take a look at the storm that's coming in late saturday night and sunday morning. we'll have all the details back here. it's a >>> police in wyoming are investigating a deadly attack on a college campus. a man used a weapon to kill a teacher. another victim a woman was found dead about two miles away. investigators say the suspect was not a student but there appears to be a relationship between him and his victim. >>> in news of the world tonight in egypt. protesters rallied against a newly drafted constitution in cairo's tehrere square. and more civil disobedience is in the works. liberals, moderates and christians all refuse to take part. >>> enrique pena nieto is said to take the presidency tomorrow. pena nieto won the election in july promising reform but many mexicans don't expect much change since the president- elect belongs to the party that has ruled that country for

this 25-year-old son chris crumb traveled 2,500 miles from columbus to wyoming. at some point he snapped and something led to him showing up at this college campus and mortally wounding his father with a cross bow. >> thank you very much, we appreciate your reporting on this. >>> a series of suicide car bombings leaves five people dead in eastern afghanistan today. insurgents disguised as coalition forces -- the taliban claimed responsibility for the attacks. >>> just in time to start running around before you're christmas shopping is done, the average price for regular gasoline is now $3.239 that's the tenth weekly drop in a row. remember it was 3.28 dlrs just a year ago. >>> 30 days and counting in the country's potential fall off the fiscal cliff. avoiding it -- if they do nothing, everyone's taxes go up and automatic spending cuts will take effect. no imminent deal is in sight. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans, because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's a choice we're going to have to

. >>> a deadly attack at a college campus in wyoming. what investigators are saying about the suspect and the connection with two of his victims. >>> we're going to take a look at the storm that's coming in late saturday night and sunday morning. we'll have all the details back here. it's a big one. >>> and it's a thrilling moment, the milestone that michael jackson's famous song thriller reached today. >>> police in wyoming are investigating a deadly attack on a college campus. a man used a weapon to kill a teacher. another victim a woman was found dead about two miles away. investigators say the suspect was not a student but there appears to be a relationship between him and his victim. >>> in news of the world tonight in egypt. protesters rallied against a newly drafted constitution in cairo's tehrere square. and more civil disobedience is in the works. liberals, moderates and christians all refuse to take part. >>> enrique pena nieto is said to take the presidency tomorrow. pena nieto won the election in july promising reform but man

i know in is a sensitive issue to you at home in wyoming. you got a lot of farmers. where are we on the estate tax? >> if nothing's done come january 1st, the estate tax rate, the death tax rate goes from 35 #% to 55%, and, you know, right now, it's on the state's over $5 million, and it drops down to anything over $1 million so for farmers, ranchers, small business owners all around the country, the dry cleaner or the flower shop or car wash, all of those people that had businesses in their family, they more likely have to sell because they are not going to be able to pass them on because they have to pay the taxes immediately. tracy: any discussion of this in the talk? have you heard anything? anybody conceding or bringing rates down? >> i continue to talk about it, put out a republican policy committee paper today, going through all of that, but the democrats don't seem to want to talk about that because they view that as additional money that they would have that they could spend, and the american taxpayers know you send more money to washington for the most part

my guest tonight, former senator from wyoming, also the cochair of the national commission on fiscal responsibility and reform, also known as the simpson/bowles plan, please welcome, senator allan simpson. sir. >> yuck man. young man. >> how are you? >> jon: nice to see you, senator, how are you? >> good, i saw that last segment. i thought maybe that would liven everything up for me. ( laughter ). i don't want to get into that. that wouldn't be a thing to do. >> jon: next time i'll make sure it's in the gift bag for everybody. ( laughter ). >> maybe just the cookies. >> jon: just the cookies. ( laughter ). so let me-- let me start with you. two years ago, two and a half years ago, you are aproasmed to chaiapproached tochair a commits to set up a deficit reduction plan for the country. you study it. you're very diligent. everybody hates it within 24 hours. the democrats say it's too austere. the republicans say you're raising tax too much. two years later as we stand on the precipiceave cliff, suddenly this plan as seen as the mosterably thing in town and people are coming to you to f

attack with what police are calling a "sharp edged weapon" on the casper college campus in casper, wyoming. in new jersey, new details in the train that derailed on a rail bridge. the national transportation safety board has learned the train's engineer had problems with the signal at the bridge... but proceeded to cross the bridge anyway yesterday after calling a dispatcher. as a result, the train derailed -- spewing out hazardous chemicals into the air. more than 100 people have been evacuated -- officials are working to clear the chemicals in the air. officials say that a bus carrying 32 people crashed into the miami airport killing two people. the bus crashed into a concrete overpass outside the miami international airport. those on board the bus were part of a jehovah's witness group traveling to palm springs. police say that most of the passengers on board were elderly... including the two men who died. at this point in time three people remain in critical condition. police say that the driver of the bus was not familiar with the airport and entered it by mistake >> parts of a tunnel

that's how the president of wyoming's caspar college describes an attack on campus. it left three people dead, including a faculty member. a man killed one person using what cops are only describing as a sharp edged weapon and then went into a classroom and killed another person and then he killed himself. the police have not released the names of the victims, but police say they all knew each other. >>> in new jersey, three people are hospitalized in stable condition after a train derailment linked a chemical. the chemical vinyl chloride is toxic and highly flmable, but much of it has dissipated. the derailment is blamed on a bridge failure that sent four train cars tumbling into a creek near the delaware river. >>> after losing the presidency and seats in the house and seats in the senate, there is really no way to avoid the elephant in the room and the gop knows it. >> so, what do they need to do to change? what issues do they need to start focusing on? we're about to break it all down for you. ♪ (announcer) when subaru owners look in the mirror, they see more t

north dakota, wyoming, nebraska, utah and wyoming. that's based on fiscal responsibility. worst run california, rhode island, illinois, illinois, new jersey. hello governor christie. joining us now to lament that his state tops the list adam carolla. you are not surprised about this. >> no, not at all. as a matter of fact i had a great example of why we are last. it happened to me over the weekend. on friday, i was in winnipeg, canada and when i checked into the hotel, they said oh, you know who is in the room right next to yours? samuel l. jackson. and i thought what the hell is he doing in winnipeg in november? it's horrible. the weather is horrible. i remembered oh he is shooting a movie in winnipeg. then i realized, that's right. he lives in beverly hills but he does all his work in winnipeg and other parts of canada, meaning samuel l. jackson the small business just picks up and leaves to avoid the unions and taxes. i'm a fan of samuel l. vaction jacuzzi and i will apologize apologize -- jacuzzi and i will apoll jackson. the movie takes place in l.a. >> forgive me for

it's my country now-- wyoming-- but not exactly a peaceful one. it had happened before, in new mexico, where over 100 men were killed in 1878; in montana, where scores more died only a few years later; and now it was happening in wyoming-- range war. the stakes were always the same--cattle and land. and the opponents were the same-- big ranchers versus farmers seeking open range to settle on under the homestead act. the cattle man who came first and carved his vast rangeland out of the wilderness saw himself facing destruction as the homesteaders settled on his range, fencing him off from the grass and the water. the homesteader had many names in the west-- squatter, nester, and sometimes, with truth, rustler. the cattlemen struck back, fast and hard. ♪ ( dog barking ) what are you doin' here, nicky? ( barking continues ) mom? mom! mom, what happened? what's the matter? oh-- they-- ( sobs ) oh, homer. ma, where's pa? ma, what happened? ( nicky barks ) homer! hey! hey, hold up there! homer? what do you think you're doing? that's our cow. i know i

even down towards south around wyoming, colorado, even over towards utah. some isolated areas could be seeing 60 centimeters of snowfall. we'll want to watch this throughout the remainder of the week. the same storm system as it spins up and off to the east, it will be bringing rough weather and blizzard conditions around the central plains. the end of the week f you have any travel plans for the christmas holiday coming up here, you'll want to watch that across much of the northeast because that very well could be bringing some delays or cancellations to some of the major airports across this area as that snow and possibly even freezing rain continues to come down. as we take a look at temperatures, toronto, just 7 for your high on your tuesday. chicago as well. winnipeg at minus 6. farther to the south, houston remaining rather mild here in mid-december. 24 for your high going through tuesday. here's a look at your extended forecast. >>> we'll be back in 30 minutes with more news. tavis: good evening. from los angeles, i am tavis smiley. tonight, a conver

we are the people of wyoming and we personally still absolutely committed to find real solutions that work. so something like this tragedy never happens again. three more of those children were laid to rest yesterday. >> chris: i'm asking the specific question, sir. >> very, very, very hurtful to all of us in this country. i think decisions about schools ought to be made at the local level. i would not want a national effort to say you have is to do this at schools. i think local education made at thee best plaid at the local level. you know we will have a spirited discussion in congress at the beginning of next year. we need to look at all of the issues because what wayne lais pierre and the president of the united states agree on is in this country we have a culture of violence. >> chris: that is really ducking it, sir. >> there is a culture of violence. >> chris: also the president believes there is a need for tighter gun control. would you support it or not? >> i'm stron supporter of secod amendment rights. >> chris: that doesn't answer the question. >> i want to find real solutio

erskine bowles and alan simpson's plan, and that would include big durbin, tom coburn, mike crapo from wyoming. there are a handful of people who did. what you are confronted with right now is the reality that not since 1990 has any republican and a house or this and -- the house or the senate voted for any tax increase. what they are terrified of is a primary challenge. they have all of these bedwetters and nervous nellies in the caucus who are terrified they will be primary if they vote to increase the taxes of donald trump by a dime. >> when you listen to mark, you think this is a republic governed by the house of representatives. aptly, we have a president. as evan indicated, a heat south peddled it, as not shown leadership? he has done nothing. >> he has done nothing -- >> he appoints a debt commission and then he ignores it. he has never proposed in public ever a single serious change in entitlements. he knows exactly what all of this note, that it has to be done. the republicans responded to the election the day after by offering to change that 20 years to raise revenues, even now they

it happened at casper college in central, wyoming. the cops say the suspect did not use a gun but used some sort of blade on at least one of his victims. we don't yet know what may have triggered the incident. the revolution is back. that's the message from opposition leaders in egypt as mass protests returned to cairo's iconic tahrir square. speaking out against the new proposed constitution. the government infamous majority rushed to approve it before a court could stop them as christian and secular members boycotted a vote walked right out of the hall. activists say the measure could limit civil lishedz in a big way. among other things increases the influence of sharia law and commits the state to protecting morlgs and the quote traditional family. the document does strengthen bans on torture and arbitrary arrests. also curbs executive power and pliments presidential terms. this comes just after the president there mohammed morsi granted himself sweeping new powers basically made himself a dictator. that's what first triggered the

i came from the state senate in wyoming. i enjoyed the opportunity to work with people on both side of the aisle to discuss the issues and continue to try to move proposals forward that i believe in about. i believe this is a place where you can make an effective difference in the direction of the country. >> now, let's shift to fiscal cliff. i want to talk to you about what another of your colleagues, tom coburn from oklahoma, had to say on morning joe about what should and should not be in the budget negotiations. let's play that and we'll come back and talk about it. >> i know we have to raise revenue. i don't really care which way we do. actually i'd rather see the rates go up than do it the other way because it gives us greater chance to reform the tax code and broaden the base in the future. >> he would rather see rates go up than closing loopholes, reforming the tax code at the moment. do you agree with that stance from senator coburn? >> i agree we need increased revenue. our biggest problem is the spending issue. re

going home later today, especially in nebraska, driving out of cheyenne, wyoming, to omaha, lincoln, that's where the snow will be coming down hard. you want to get home early today before it gets dark. tonight the snow will really fly. up to a foot possible. the other side of this storm, it's such a dynamic, strong winter storm, we'll have enough warm air being pumped up from the south, we'll deal with a few tornadoes this evening in areas of arkansas. by this time torn mornimorrow ma line of thunderstorms sliding through. a fewwinds and power outages. for the northeast, only rain thursday night into friday morning, but it will be almost 80 today in dallas, on the north side of the storm in the 20s. that's the sign that we have a big, big storm. tomorrow, chicago will go from rain to snow. again, if you have to travel, pretty much nebraska, iowa, wisconsin, get it done early today. you won't want to do it tonight or tomorrow. >> i'll have to cancel my trip from kerney to lincoln. >> nice. >> i had a job in hastings, nebraska as the number two sports guy. good thing i didn't take it.

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. >>> and in wyoming a college teacher may have saved the lives of several of his students. authorities are praising the instructor's actions. he tackled a man who barged into the classroom, shooting the instructor in the head with a hunting bow. more startling, the attacker was the professor's own son, according to police. the gruesome scene played out friday casper college. the local police chief explains what happened. >> the suspect stepped into the classroom where professor klumme was ready to begin the day, faired one arrow and struck the photographer in the head. the professor got up and even though mortally wounded he fought the suspect off. the students in the room were all able to escape during this altercation because of the courage of the professor. >> police say that before attacking james krumme, his 25-year-old son, christopher, are fatally stabbed his dad's girlfriend at the couple's home. he allegedly stabbed his father to death before turning it on himself and dying of a self-infli self-inflicted knife wound. >>> well, she has flown all over the world but n

heavy snow will fall from utah to wyoming to new mexico. some mountain areas could get as much as 24 inches. the midwest remains relatively calm ahead of the storm. rain, ice, and snow will continue to push through much of the northeast, and it will be warm and dry in the south. >>> "cbs moench watney watch" t. apple loses its latest round with samsung. and a toy gets a makeover to appeal to boys. we have more from new york. good morning to you. >> good morning, terrell. most asian markets rallied on new signs of china's economic recovery. tokyo's nikkei rose 1% while the hang seng lost a fraction. >>> optimism over the fiscal cliff negotiations powered the best day for blue chips this month. the dow rose 100 while the nasdaq added 39. >>> samsung is allowed to keep selling three of its smartphones that were found to infringe on apple patents. on monday night, a federal judge rejected apple's demands to pull the model from the shelves saying that was too broad a punishment. competition between the companies is fierce. samsung recently toppe

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and, i'm from wyoming. a state where we believe strongly in our 2nd amendment rights. we are the people of wyoming, me, personally, are still absolutely committed to filed real solutions that work. so, something like this tragedy never happens again. three more of those children were laid to rest, yesterday. >> chris: i'm asking a specific question. >> very, very, very... very, very hurtful to all of us in this country. i think decisions about schools ought to be made at the local level. i would not want a national effort to say you have to do this in schools. i think local education decisions are best made at the local level. you know, we're going to have a very spirited discussion in congress, in the beginning of next year. we need to look at all of the issues, because what wayne lapierre and the president of the united states agree on, is that in this country, we have a culture of violence. and, i don't think -- >> that is really -- >> a culture of violence. >> chris: and also, also the president -- not saying he's right or wrong but he believes there is a need for

. >> i'm joined now by two republican lawmakers wyoming senator barrasso of wyoming, we just said, and idaho congressman raul labrador. thank you for joining us. let's talk first about new spending. investment generally means you want to put more money into infrastructure, bridges, roads, schools, things like that. is that something that you all might go along with? is that a nonstarter? >> it's a nonstarter. the president really, and you have pointed to the problem, the problem in this country is we have a spending problem. that's how we ended up with $16 trillion in debt and yet the president doesn't talk about ways to minimize the spending or actually get the economy growing. you know, that's one of the thing he proposed was an additional stimulus package and then he wanted an unlimited credit card to be given to him so he can continue his spending binge. we're hitting the debt limit tomorrow. >> what the president is saying and has said all along and a number of democrats and treasury secretary geithner said we did a trillion in cuts the last time around with the debt ceiling, the

and, i'm from wyoming. a state where we believe strongly in our 2nd amendment rights. we are the people of wyoming, me, personal are still absolutely committed to filed real solutions that work. so, something like this tragedy never happens again. three more of those children were laid to rest, yesterday. >> chris: i'm asking a specific question. >> very, very, very... very, very hurtful to all of us in this country. i think decisions about schools ought to be made at the local level. i would not want a national effort to say you have to do this in schools. i think local education decisions are best made at the local level. you know, we're going to have a very spirited discussion in congress, in the beginning of neyear. we need to look at all of the issues, because what wayne lapierre and the president of the united states agree on, is that in this country, we have a culture of violence. and, i don't think -- >> that is really -- >> a culture of violence. >> chris: and also, also the president -- not saying he's right or wrong but he believes there is a need for tighte

states of pennsylvania and new york, but also states like mississippi, south carolina, west virginia, wyoming, iowa, all of which use this mid deem charge rather than felony. and what we find in these 13 other states is that there are higher rates of drug treatment participation, lower rates of drug use, and even slightly lower rates of violent and property crime. so again, we can prove we can have safer communities. and then of course there are the unintended consequences of a felony conviction. consequences that really can cause great damage to a young life for many decades out. the very three things that can keep someone successfully in his or her recovery, access to housing, education and employment are put farther out of reach because of a felony conviction, especially in a down economy, someone with a felony has great difficulty even accessing 5 a job that pays minimum wage. putting these felony convictions to a whole population of young people, we really perpetuate a chronic underclass which benefits none of us. and then of course there's the inequity in the criminal justice system. ev