ron johnson. he was brought in after rolling out apple's successful store concept. >> i think it's too early to tell whether or not ron johnson is no longer going to be at j.c. penney. i believe that it is a positive move that they're going to bring back some of this couponing and sale activity. and, you know, j.c. penney hired ron johnson because of his legacy and because of some of the things he was able to do at apple, and i don't think they're going to give up on him just yet. i think time will tell. >> susie: tom, we'll find out more about how ron johnson's plan is doing when penney's reports fourth quarter results on february 27. so far, he still has the backing of bill ackman, the big hedge fund tycoon. he is a big investor in pennies, and he says he will give them three more years to prove themselves. >> tom: the investors really like the news today. but they're down 24% since johnson came on board to j.c. penney. he still has a lot of ground to make up there. the broad market climbed to a