we'll also talk to former senator joe lieberman about how security has changed in this country since 9/11. and former top advisor to president obama, david axelrod, about how the white house is handling this situation. >>> but we begin in boston where the back bay has been transformed into a crime scene sealed off for blocks and law enforcement try to determine who was behind monday's deadly attack at the boston marathon. of course this all began at about ten minutes to 3:00 on monday. about four hours into the race when an explosion went off just yards from the finish line. then about 15 seconds later a second explosion about 500 feet down the road. at least three people were killed in the blasts, one of them was 8-year-old martin richard whose father was in the race. his mother and sister suffered serious injuries. at least 126 people are still hospitalized. ten of them possibly as many as 17 in critical condition following the attack. >> there was cloud everywhere and, yeah, it was loud. it was really, really loud and then people just chaos everywhere. >> there was just families a

just today, just this morning in the "washington post," joe lieberman said america cannot be an isolationist. this is drum rattling that you're going to be hearing these next several weeks. we've got to engage. we've got to engage. i'm saying time-out. we've already committed $250 million to syria. $250 million. how about putting that into america? because i don't want to get involved in a civil war. especially when that civil war in syria is between hezbollah and al qaeda. that is a lose/lose situation if you ask me. >> and patrick, i think what you and toure are both talking about is that tough balance of not getting involved places where we don't need to, versus the humanitarian tragedies that we want to intervene and you cannot be in all places at all times. it is a tough balance to figure out when and where you should be and how to get involved. i want to turn to the politics of this situation. we alluded to it in the lead. how much does the legacy of iraq and the fact that our government said there were wmds, as we all know. there were not wmds. how heavy does that legacy of iraq hang

joe lieberman is one of the greatest centers i ever met. the reason he is is he is one of the best listeners i ever met. he is never in a hurry to push you a side. he is always willing to listen. won't necessarily agree with you but really is -- i think he is truly focused on the country. i don't think there is much partisanship in joe lieberman. he is thinking about the country. he is a real statesmen. i have a lot of admiration for dianne feinstein. we disagree more with her than i do with joe but she is a good listener. she was my chairman on the intelligence committee. i think she will listen and try to make a judgment each and every time rather than blindly say no, that is a republican idea. those are really good qualities. one of my great friends is sex the chandler said richard burr. i love the man's friends but we also put are heads together a lot and think about things. i love jim demint's courage for where he stands on where we need to go. i don't agree with him but he will go down in history as trying to redirect as towards our l

affairs and banking focusing on finance and real estate or about former longtime connecticut senator joe lieberman who's going to be heading a foreign policy group at the american enterprise institute another notable name is mary shapiro former chairwoman of the securities and exchange commission and stepped down from her post for a cushy new job position on general electric's board of directors these of course are just a few of the countless examples of this public private trading of influence so i hope we talk about a few more example of the revolving door and why you should. hear about the sketchy practice i'm joined now by rachel curtis our producer. so aside from all these examples that i just mentioned i mean this is more prevalent than ever before of course and in the land of d.c.t. which is like what i like to call it when obama got elected originally so that he would not have any lobbyists on his cabinet of course we know that that's not the case let's go over just a few people. that we haven't talked about yet burwell yet sylvia burwell is still waiting to join the cabinet she

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affairs and banking focusing on finance and real estate or about former longtime connecticut senator joe lieberman who's going to be heading a foreign policy group at the american enterprise institute another notable name is mary shapiro former chairwoman of the securities and exchange commission who stepped down from her post for a cushy new job position on general electric's board of directors these of course are just a few of the countless examples of this public. the private trading of influence so i hope we talk about a few more examples the revolving door and why you should care about the sketchy practice i'm joined now by rachel curtis our producer and that is you know so aside from all these examples that i just mentioned i mean this is more prevalent than ever before of course and in the land of d.c.t. which is like what i like to call it when obama got elected originally so that he would not have any lobbyists on his cabinet of course we know that that's not the case let's go over just a few people. that we haven't talked about yet burwell yet so sylvia burwell is still waiting

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. >> former senator joe lieberman said that since over 70,000 syrians have already been slaughtered, he was troubled by mr. obama's staples today. >> we can't let this red line become fuzzy in a lot of international lawyering and the united nations. >> the president's hesitation may be reflected in a new cbs news, "new york times" poll which found nearly two chirdz of the american public does not want military intervention. on the question of whether the u.s. has a responsibility in syria, 62 percent said no. 24 percent said yes. the syrian regime is trying to use that weariness to insist assad is being framed. >> what happened in iraq as i said is still alive in our minds. our region, ladies and gentlemen, is still living the consequences of such false allegations there are new signs tonight the white house may give lethal aid to the rebels in syria. rather than just the nonlethal aid they have been giving. katelyn telling me a moment ago vehicles, armor, night vision goggles among the items now under discussion. what's significant about that it would give the white house a chance t

the author of that editorial, familiar face, to us all, joe lieberman, who is enjoying time with the grandkids in your retirement. how has it been so far? >> it has been great so far and i'm staying involved but not try to get as involved as when i was in the senate. jenna: certainly gave us something to talk about, your op set -- op he had piece in the "washington post", talking about remaining engaged and america with a long leadership. what does that mean today, for america in 2013. >> america is beacon for the world and countries all over depend on us because we're the leader when it comes to freedom and democracy. we should never underestimate how important that is to people places like syria fighting for their freed many do. the second is, we're the strongest nation in the word and over time we have benefited in our economy and our jobs and our freedom from the fact that we have been the leader of the world. we can't do it all. we shouldn't do it all. we've got allies everywhere who can help us but if we begin to pull back, others who are hostile to us will get involved and ult

lieberman when they raised the issue in the 1990s. >> joe manchin is being totally ignored right now. the guy has been a hero. >> absolutely solid guy. >> absolutely. let's talk about syria really quickly. over a million refugees and 75,000 people killed so far in this war. we get involved in bosnia and kosovo for a lot more than this. do we in the international community continue to stand on the sidelines as we have this, this crisis of epic proportions in syria? >> joe, on a lot of these issues, i would be more focused on you. in syria, let me tell you the concern i have. i don't know who will take over if we want him to go but the rebel forces, my concern is al qaeda and the islamists are in a position to take over that movement. getting behind people and supporting. >> no good alternative? >> no. as far as the forces that we have to look for. i'm concerned about getting in on one side and we should be more aggressive in finding elements we can support than a movement but more and more the islamists gaining the movement and the worst thing would be when batista went in and communi

let me provide an explanation provided by joe lieberman in a letter he signed with dr. coburn just last year. here's what senator lieberman said about oko. the funds allocated for oko, or war savings, are not real. and every member of congress knows this. the funds specified for overseas contingency operations in future budgets are a mere excess of what our nation's wars cost may be in the future. since it's likely future o.c.o. costs will be significantly less than the place holders in the congressional budget office estimates, it is the height of fiscal irresponsibility to treat the difference between assumed and actual o.c.o. costs as a savings, as savings to be spent on other programs. let me read that last part again. it is the height of fiscal irresponsibility to treat the difference between the assumed and actual o.c.o. costs as a savings to be spent on other programs. this is from the man who was once the democratic nominee to be vice president. so there's bipartisan consensus that this thing we call o.c.o. is a fiscally irresponsible gimmick. a gimmick. the dir

and joe lieberman speaking on nbc says it leads to a lot of questions about securing events like these. >> a lot of sports events have devices like that on the way in. i worry somebody thought about this and struck there because though there was plenty of security, it's not a controlled event in the way a stadium based event is. >> and now in an event that is normally full of high security, the call cue louse surrounding that has changed for sure. >> we are just being told now that the president will speak in the white house briefing room at 11 scln 30 a.m. eastern time. 24 minutes from now. large events around the globe being affected by events in boston. they are preparing for the london marathon and margaret tha thatcher funeral. >> right. the first event is tomorrow morning, the funeral of margaret tlavper. police security has already been stepped up in that event. now security officials are saying they will review security in light of the event in boston. there will be lockdowns in much of the city of london. here's what one official had to say about security at that event earlier

the first thing is, as senator joe lieberman said, if you wait for the moderate to come around and to be available to cut these deals, you will be waiting a long time because there aren't that many of them left. there is no centrist caucus that can come together and put enough votes to move things through congress could what you need are folks that come from very ideologically divergent places, from marco rubio on the right to guys like chuck schumer all the way on the left to take upon themselves to legislate and split the difference between the two parties. that is a fundamentally different change. there is also increased emphasis on timing. in 1986, when immigration reform and tax reform passed, that was at the end almost during an election. now all of the energy is rests tightly against being right after an election because people are afraid that in 2014 they will be caught up and folks will be on election mode again. be madee that deals can is complex versus the past. host: with the senate's kicking off debate and holding a vote forward on gung legislation, we are hearing about t

. >> guest: well, i have a whrot of personal friends in the senate joe lieberman, one of the greatest senators i've met because he's one of the best listeners i've ever met. he's never in a hurry to push you aside, willing to listen, won't necessarily agree with you, but really is, and i think he's truly focused on the country. i don't think there's much partisanship. i think he's thinking about the country. i think he's a real statesman. i really have a lot of admiration for diane feinstein. i disagree more with her than joe, but she's a good listener, my chairman op intelligence committee. i think she will listen and try to make a judgment each and every time rather than blindly say no, that's a republican idea. i think those are good qualities. my -- one of my great friends, and we think about things, and i love jim demint's courage on where he stands, where he thinks we need to go. i don't always agree with him, but i think he'll go down in history redirecting us back to limited government. i think he has a lot of courage that way. so, you know, i have admiration for a lot of aspe

. >> you remember the debate when stages,was in its last and the legislation that joe lieberman crafted, it was to buy intotirees medicare. that is a common-sense proposal. >> perhaps gov. rendell and dick ravitch would like to weigh in on this. do you believe that they should be able to negotiate, as they did with general motors? the remember in 1975, when banks and unions, and the president ended up doing what they swore only weeks earlier what they would never do, that the threat of the bankruptcy had something to do with their decisions. tell you, one of the things that was done in 1975, was to pass a law declaring a moratorium on the payment of interest of new york city's debt on the theory that that would give expense relief to the city's budget for a period of time. ultimately, the highest court of the state found that unconstitutional and said that the state must exercise its taxing power to meet its obligations. i am not suggesting that that necessarily would be the ultimate law of the land affecting every jurisdiction, but that was the decision of the highest court in new york

the commission on mass violence was put forth by joe lieberman before she retired in january and joe manchin picked it up and got it inserted into this to perform like the super committee did or like the 9/11 commission back in the day they were in the panel about a dozen experts on mental health, guns, school safety. beyond restricting firearms at some point later the congress would then give them an up or down vote. the politics of today is likely they would reject them, but perhaps some lawmakers will pick up specific proposals will push those in the years to come but mansion and to me in particular saxby chambliss made it clear the reason they are willing to have a debate is because they know there will be amendments to address mental health concerns, restricting access to people that are not supposed to have them. it compels a lot of people that do this. >> host: north carolina, felix is on the line, go ahead. >> caller: how are you on this beautiful day. it's the best country in the world and i'm glad we are able to talk without getting shot at by the government giving it a cou