juliette kayyyem, former homeland security official, and i were talking about this. we concluded that the presumption is that the person may have explosives on him and that's why he was made to take off his clothes. one would assume that the police are presuming that this individual who is wanted, suspect number two, may, in fact, also be armed with explosives. is that -- would that be your assumption as well? >> right, absolutely. if the two suspects were in that vehicle and throwing out of the vehicle explosive material, then that means that he may still have something with him, either a firearm, an explosive device or both. and if he lives in the area, he may have gotten to that red dense and obtained more. so that's a complete concern at this point. >> can i just say it's sort of hard to put this in perspective right now just sort of how people who are watching can think about this in the context of counter terrorism and homeland security. the activity over the last 12 hours are unique in terms of crowd sourcing. it's the nature of the technology now with picture