number one, mrs. thatcher was mrs. thatcher. she gave her name to thatcherism along with ronald reagan, the biggest conservative figure in the late 20th century. not just that, mrs. thatcher was sort of a combination of ronald reagan, ayn rand and dr. strangelove. wrapped into one. she was sort of the ultimate conservative pin-up. and as you say in your introduction, she never went away if that. i think that she was always going to be a big deal when she died. and to the extent that she changed things, she deserves that. the second thing is there's a conservative government running britain at the moment. or a conservative liberal coalition and they're in a lot of trouble. so i think they're sort of trying to seize upon the moment now. to sort of unify the country and put, seize upon her legacy, to try and justify what they're doing at the moment. you know she's going to have what is effectively a state funeral. although it's not being called that. it's being called a ceremonial funeral. and you know, the government tried to expl

former british prime minister margaret thatcher died of a stroke at the age of 87. mrs. thatcher shattered the glass ceiling becoming britain's first and only female prime minister, leading with a tough no nonsense manner that earned here the nickname, the iron lady. the flags at downing street and buckingham palace are at half-staff. her ma jessjesty the queen exte her condolences. david cameron offered this testimony earlier today. >> we lost a great prime minister, a great leader, a great britain. as our first woman prime minister, margaret thatcher succeeded against all the odds. and the real thing about margaret thatcher is that she didn't just lead our country, she saved our country. >> the president joined in this chorus of appreciation issuing the following statement. "with the passing of baroness margaret thatcher, the world has lost one of the great champions of freedom and liberty, and america has lost a true friend." taking over a country in economic and political turmoil in 1979, mrs. thatcher introduced incredibly divisive policies, breaking labor unions, d

they wanted politics to be seen through mrs. thatcher's life as a noble calling, whatever you thought of the policymaker. >> i think it's a recognition. if you change the jet streams of british politics, it will never return to pre-1979. they all recognize that. >> there is normand in the middle there. who was chancellor, had chancellor of acts chapter. -- chancellor of the exchequer. >> john major. and one of the many distinguished guests, very recognizable figure. i think he is very sympathetic to her political point of view. the welsh guard played a very big part here today. not only garrison sergeant major, his brother and also all the rude liners -- rud route li. so i last worked about this just in historical context, peter. >> i think one can be sure, all of margaret thatcher, her way of doing politics, her personality will clean to our collective national memory that any politician -- >> i think we are very unlikely to ever see in our lifetime an event of this sort. we may never see an event of this sort for politician in

if you go back to the idea of the individual i think we started this debate with what was mrs thatcher's what was baroness thatcher as legacy i think the message that she had at the time was look i'm a grocer's daughter from grantham if i can do it anybody can but without providing the ability for anybody else to do it once up there sort of pulled up the ladder and stayed where she was and what we have now is an inability for people who might be grocers daughters from ordinary villages around the country or towns who simply cannot get on the latter and whether that's her legacy all just her identity or what is identified with her that all for one and one for oneself rather than all for one one for all we will be debating for a very long time clifford. yes we need we need heroes among us to lead us into the workplace or any other field of endeavor but we also needed to be possible for people of ordinary abilities to be successful and to a conservative a vibrant economy has to be the number one priority of government dealing with the immediate c of a recession is one thing pump priming you

mr. thatcher died today at the age of 87 from a stroke. during her tenure as prime minster, she restructured the british economy. she led britain to victory and she's given credit for helping the u.s. and the soviet union through the end of the cold war. here's part of what she said from the british house of commons when she resigned in 1990. >> do not agree that the age of civil is gone. not look back with pride and satisfaction of all of those years as a well statesman. longthink mr. speaker, as as my honorable friend is a member of this house. yes, in response to his question, do i look backward with some pride and satisfaction of achievement of our country in the last 11.5 years. >> margaret thatcher talking about resigning as prime minster in 1990. her passing today brought tribute to many people in politics and around the world. today is a truly sad day for our country. we lost a great prime minster a great leader a great britain. as ours for woman prime minster, margaret thatcher succeeded against all the odds. she didn't just lead

if you go back to the idea of the individual i think we started this debate with what was mrs thatcher's what was baroness thatcher as legacy i think the message that she had at the time was look i'm a grocer's daughter from grantham if i can do it anybody can but without providing the ability for anybody else to do it once up there sort of pulled up the ladder and stayed where she was and that we have now is an inability for people who might be grocers daughters from ordinary villages around the country or towns who simply cannot get on the latter and whether that's her legacy all just her identity or what is identified with her that all for one and one for oneself rather than all for one one for all we will be debating for a very long time clifford. yes we need we need heroes among us to lead us into the workplace or any other field of endeavor but we also needed to be possible for people of ordinary abilities to be successful and to a conservative a vibrant economy has to be the number one priority of government dealing with the immediate c of a recession is one thing pump priming you

this has to be equal and men's liberation and women's liberation go hand in hand and i congratulate mr thatcher for allowing his wife to be a great leader and serve the human race is that i'm going to allow you to be shown here i wouldn't change the way i have to accept that she was someone with the qualities that was capable of being a great lady but as i started this debate if you are a great leader and she did have that toughness and that ability to debate then you have to laid way responsibility you have to do the right thing and that's the right thing for all the people that you all a day and the problem is that there wasn't a focus on i point out today and i certainly would not sad that a husband allowed a wife to go off and do what you want to do in parliament day i'll let you do so for most of us only some of which i'm not going to have they would fight with folks like this that he's running around wrong but ok i have to jump in here since i was running out of time a fascinating discussion many thanks to my guests in washington and in london and thanks to our viewers for watchi

let's hear more of dead eye dick's reflections on mrs. thatcher. take a listen. >> she conveyed this aura of knowing what needed to be done and being willing to do it no matter what the political cost. >> it's clear vice president cheney holds mrs. thatcher in very high regard, but he describes her almost as a male version of himself, doesn't he? >> yes. i think he's stopped thinking of thatcher and was thinking of dick cheney. you know, basically as soon as he started that sentence. you know, one of the other things -- one of the things that thatcher said about her own legacy when she was asked about it, she said, you know, one of the greatest things that i've left behind was tony blair. you know, you can never imagine a republican in the united states saying something like that. you know, and i think -- i think what she meant by that is, you know, she was able to break kind of the far left of the labor party and allow this neoliberal labor party to emerge. you'd never see dick cheney say the greatest legacy of the bush administration is barack ob

. >> we do talk about mrs. thatcher, but conservatives talk about how she turned around the british economy. it took 15 years. 15 years . barack obama was condemned after a year and a half. >> and reagan's worked it took 15 years and george w policy work? >> no, if we use the same logic that the conservatives are applying to mrs. thatcher and will not give to president obama. >> we have to leave it there. marget thatcher is coming up on the next block. america is celebrating equal pay days for women this week. but did margaret thatcher show us why merit pay would put more money in women's pockets? we'll be back at 1:00 p.m. eastern only on fox. >> elizabeth: welcome back. lawmakers pushing for equal pay for women. it is happening as the world said goodbye to a powerful woman who championed merit play. margaret thatcher talked about the merit pay. explain sabrain? >> merit pay is the way to go. women's groups are pushing for equal pay . the idea that women only make 77 cents of a dollar that a man makes. if you

this has to be equal and men's liberation and women's liberation go hand in hand and i congratulate mr thatcher for allowing his wife to be a great leader and serve the human race is that i'm going to allow you this would be to go ahead i wouldn't use that word allowing i have to accept that she was someone with the qualities that was capable of being a great lady but as i started this debate if you are a great leader and she did have that toughness and that ability to date then you have to made when you were sponsibility you have to do the right thing and that's the right thing for all the people that you all a day and the problem is that there wasn't a focus on i point out today and i certainly would not sad that a husband allowed a wife to go off and do what you want to do in parliament day i'll let you do it right and so for most of us all if i was working which i'm not going to have they would both say let's have these women around rocket ok i have to jump in here since i was running out of time a fascinating discussion many thanks a and i guess in washington and in london and tha

if you go back to the idea of the individual i think we've started this debate with what was mrs thatcher's what was barren estancia as legacy i think the message that she had at the time was look i'm a grocer's daughter from grantham if i can do it anybody can but without providing the ability for anybody else to do it once up there sort of pulled up the ladder and stayed where she was and that we have now is an inability for people who might be grocers daughters from ordinary villages around the country or towns who simply cannot get on the latter and whether that's her legacy all just her identity or what is identified with her that all for one and one for oneself rather than all for one one for all we would all be debating for a very long time clifford. yes we need we need heroes among us to lead us into the workplace or any other field of endeavor but we also needed to be possible for people of ordinary abilities to be successful and to a conservative a vibrant economy has to be the number one priority of government dealing with the immediate c of a recession is one thing pump priming

mrs. thatcher was 87 years old. we have lots of coverage of her story this morning as we start a brand new hour of "america's newsroom." glad to have you with us everybody. i'm martha maccallum. gregg: i'm gregg jarrett in for bill hemmer. thatcher is certainly one of the towering figures of the 20th century. her faith in the free markets led her country out of socialism and the economic despair of the late '70s. great britain's first woman prime minister had a huge impact all over the world. martha: greg palkot joins us now live from london. so, greg, what has the reaction there been to this announcement this morning? >> reporter: martha, gregg, you can imagine, it has only been about two hours since we learned of passing of margaret thatcher. already there has been a huge reaction here in the u.k. and around the world. she was the first woman u.k. prime minister and she was also the longest-serving u.k. prime minister in the 20th century. some at least one analyst called her, the towering political figure in the u

. >> we do talk about mrs. thatcher, but conservatives talk about how she turned around the british economy. it took 15 years. 15 years . barack obama was condemned after a year and a half. >> and reagan's worked it took 15 years and george w policy work? >> no, if we use the same logic that the conservatives are applying to mrs. thatcher and will not give to president obama. >> we have to leave it there. marget thatcher is coming up on the next block. america is celebrating equal pay days for women this week. but did margaret thatcher show us why merit pay would put we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed: the official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪ to enjoy a♪l

so we thank mrs. thatcher influencing so many great artists to write protest songs against mrs. thatcher. and to believe that her policies were good for people is like heidi monday tag's body. it might feel good but it isn't actually real. and she was forced out of power by her own party after riots stewingsinstituting a poll tax. we

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the otherth said i still got the speech mrs. thatcher and i'm just typing it. we begin to find some people missing. we were told to stay where we were that night and then told we could try to find a way out. we tried one way and then soon came across and we couldn't get out that way. we waited and then we were told we could try another way and we did which took us out to the main hall. then for the first time, he told the enormity of the damage. guess where the main entrance was. we begin to look for people who we knew and hoping they already got out of a the building and ge to the police station. i was still in an evening dress and i hadn't changed. then we saw that some were missing. i went out to say something on the television. we didn't know whether the main conference section had been affected or not. e we went over to a college which had a conference there.i there were several rooms where we can have about an hour in aig half sleep and then i got up. i got up next morning and i turned on the television, we knew how many people were missing. there were fi

mrs. thatcher was quite a different person. never knowingly telling a joke, i don't think there's one. i think they're told in here by a british ambassador to washington who sat opposite them in one of those long table state dining tables. thatcher, reagan sat next door to each other, and as the body was a able to eavesdrop on the conversation. for two hours reagan told joke after joke after joke after joke, and thatcher remained stony faced without even acknowledging he'd attempted a joke for two hours which i must say shows a sort of tin ear to that humanity, let alone to ronnie who was a very close friend. there are other things that, this being britain, there are other things that affect mrs. thatcher, and there is a lot of snobbery both social -- she's a shopkeeper's daughter. that means she's not, you know, a horny--handed son of the soil or the stalwart member of the working class. she's a petty bourgeois who everybody has affected to dislike. she's not a grandee, she momentum own land. she borrowed everything, you know,

it is always good to have an encouragement of the type that mrs. thatcher was always capable of providing. >> all that encouragement. i have been shut listening to the coverage today. it has been more mixed in britain. people have talked about her divisiveness. overwhelmingly positive here in america. >> it certainly has been positive here. we all have the fondest memories. the decision she had to make in the united kingdom, and the challenges she had to face would leave some residual feelings that are not necessarily favorable. we did not have to deal with those issues here in the united states. our reaction to her is favorable. she was part of a special relationship. andand president reagan president bush had a unique relationship with each other, especially with president reagan. did they have a common view of communism. the soviet union needs to change. let's be strong. let's demonstrate our strength to some action such as deployment of the missiles in 1984. i was there. i watched it happen. it brought all of those out. the game is up. powerful

i think mrs. thatcher itself would have gone for broader and she felt politically that the eastern block countries should be taken into the e.u. many people today feel that te u is too large. that there are too many countries with diverse agendas and that it really can't be maintained with the size it is now and that the euro zone crisis is part and parcel of that. so it's interesti. her opinions about austerity, about europe, about globalization are as relevant, certainly, for discussion as they ever were. >> ifill: we talk about legacy after the substance passed away and i wonder as who you would identify as the heirs to her world view. now that she's gone, what she believed in, does it still sustain? >> it's interesting. i think that in some way it is heirs may be in the emerging markets and the developing world because those countries, countries like china, brazil, inia, south rica even are at the stage in development where many of her economic ideas about privatization about the push forward

i think mrs. thatcher itself would have gone for broader and she felt politically that the eastern block countries should be taken into the e.u. many people today feel that te u is too large. that there are too many countries with diverse agendas and that it really can't be maintained wh the size it now and that the euro zone crisis is part and parcel of that. so it's interesting. her opinions about austerity, about europe, about globalization are as relevant, certainly, for discussion as they ever were. >> ifill: we talk about legacy after the substance passed away and i wonder as who you would identify as the heirs to her world view. now that she's gone, what she believed in, does it still sustain? >> it's interesting. i think that in some way it is heirs may be in the emerging markets and the developing world because those countries, countries like china, brazil, india, south africa even are at the stage in development where many of her economic ideas about privatization about the push forward

i think mrs. thatcher itself would have gone for broader and she felt politically that the eastern block countries should be taken into the e.u. many people today feel that te u is too large. that there are too many countries with diverse agendas and that it really can't be maintained with the size it is now and that the euro zone crisis is part and parcel of that. so it's interesting. her opinions about austerity, about europe, about globalization are as relevant, certainly, for discussion as they ever were. >> ifill: we talk about legacy after the substance passed away and i wonder as who you would identify as the heirs to her world view. now that she's gone, what she believed in, does it still sustain? >> it's interesting. i think that in some way it is heirs may be in the emerging markets and the developing world because those countries, countries like china, brazil, india, south africa even are at the stage in development where many of her economic ideas about privatization about the push for

mrs thatcher's policies were certainly radical but we shouldn't forget that her term in office began with a recession in one nine hundred seventy nine one thousand nine hundred ninety one and eighty one and ended with the recession in one nine hundred ninety nine hundred ninety one so we hear a lot of talk about how the u.k. economy was transformed but it was transformed at a very high cost and a very high price in terms of cyclicality there was a great deal of lost output but a very great deal of tough decisions to be made during that transformation phase we tend to focus when we're looking back at times like this on the achievements and perhaps sometimes it's easy to overlook because i mean both human in economic terms of those achievements there were two recessions as well as two economic booms and when it comes to economic legacy what is it that we can all of regardless of our country learned from margaret thatcher anything i think we can learn about the power of the market in the way that it can empower individuals but i think one of the criticisms that i think is is perhaps qui

mikhail gorbachev and mrs thatcher is famous for having said you couldn't do business with mr gorbachev so when she came for the food or of mr turton and co she had a one on one meeting with mr gore were drawn and you know i remember this very vividly when she saw him her face lit up and her eyes sparkled you know i had a feeling and i still have that she was in rapture right mr gorbachev and lady was something that came from the from the russian side as well something that she loved to coin let's just listen in to margaret thatcher a second when she was using that. room for less iconic phrases it is now the russian said that i listen i am lady. thank you every night. with three britain needs an iron lady but she took it as praise i'm not sure initially parkin one hundred seventy six the term our lady was actually meant as praise was it no of course not that was a huge blunder. which played right into the hands of the aryan lady because by using that phrase they actually wanted somehow to belittle but she took it not only took it you know stride it became her catch word phrase. could dr

mrs. thatcher was never one to be limited by what is the done thing. if i may, i want to respond to the points that have been made more in the media, but by the previous speaker, but she was deliberately harsh and divisive. harsh. she made his face reality. -- harsh. y was hear to did not like reality, projected their hatred of reality onto her. cost of facing reality would have been much less if previous governments of ath parties had not permitted gose analysis and cowardice, to own up to those realities in deal with him earlier on. [indiscernible] those who hated reality transposed their hate to her. those who hated being proved wrong transfer their hatred to her. those who hated seeing their allusions shattered transfer their hatred to her. fortunately, she was big and strong enough to act as a lightning rod for their feelings. the second adjective which was used of her this morning by the , which tells news us more about the bbc -- were divisive. a divisive leader. for any division, there has to be two sides. made of those who were opposing the ch

if you go back to the idea of the individual i think we started this debate with what was mrs thatcher's what was baroness thatcher as legacy i think the message that she had at the time was look i'm a grocer's daughter from grantham if i can do it anybody can but without providing the ability for anybody else to do it once up there sort of pulled up the ladder and stayed where she was and that we have now is an inability for people who might be grocers daughters from ordinary villages around the country or towns who simply cannot get on the latter and whether that's her legacy all just her identity or what is identified with her that all for one and one for oneself rather than all for one one for all we will be debating for a very long time clifford. yes we need we need heroes among us to lead us into the workplace or any other field of endeavor but we also needed to be possible for people of ordinary abilities to be successful and to a conservative a vibrant economy has to be the number one priority of government dealing with the immediate c of a recession is one thing pump priming you

the storm of conflicting opinions centers on the mrs. thatcher who became a symbolic figure, even an -ism. today, they remains of the real hereret hilda thatcher are at her funeral service. in here, she is one of us, subject to the common destiny of all human beings. there is an important place for debating policies and legacies, for assessing the impact of political decisions on the everyday lives of individuals and communities. parliament held a frank debate last week. is neither the time nor the place. this, at lady thatcher's personal request, is a funeral not a memorial service with the customer eulogies. one should not aspire to the judgments which are proper to the politician. foread, this is a place ordinary human compassion of the kinds that is reconciling. it is also the place where the simple truths which transcend political debate and above all, .t is the place for hope it must be very difficult for ande members of her family those closely associated with the wife,ognize mother, and grandmother in the mythological figure. and

generally speaking, by the way, no one wrote speeches for mrs. thatcher. they wrote speeches with mrs. thatcher. she was involved at every stage. you can't claim authorship, i'd like to. stuart: i think you should. over here, we've got this gentleman, martin bashir works for a very liberal network, he's calling mrs. thatcher a racist and more to the point, he says that she was not that effective. now, i totally disagree with that. how on earth could the man say she was not that effective? go. >> well, i think it's absurd and let me say, by the way, that obviously, she wasn't a racist. in fact, one of the least prejudiced people i've ever met in my life and she was well-known for having a cabinet full of what you might call nontraditional tories. and you may remember miller said my cabinet is full of atonas, and hers was full of as stonions. and you remember the winter of discontent? ten years later britain was the fourth largest economy in the world. it's absurd to say that. it's an enormous success. stuart: i believe she rescued my home country. i live in

mrs. thatcher was never one to be limited by what is the done thing. if i may, i want to respond to the points that have been made more in the media, but by the previous speaker, but she was deliberately harsh and divisive. harsh. she made his face reality. and reality was harsh. those who did not like reality projected their hatred of reality onto her. but the human cost of facing reality would have been much less if previous governments of both parties had not permitted a false analysis and cowardice, go to own up to those realities deal with him earlier on. [indiscernible] those who hated reality transposed their hate to her. those who hated being proved wrong transfer their hatred to her. those who hated seeing their allusions shattered transfer their hatred to her. fortunately, she was big and strong enough to act as a lightning rod for their feelings. the second adjective which was used of her this morning by the bbc, headline news, which tells us more about the bbc - the word divisive. a divisive leader. for any division, there has to be two sid

thatcher who became a symbolic figure, even an -ism. today, they remains of the real margaret hilda thatcher are here at her funeral service. lying here she is one of us, stiny t to cmon of all human beings. there is an important place for debating policies and legacies, for assessing the impact of political decisions on the everyday lives of individuals and communities. parliament held a frank debate last week. here and today is neither the time nor the place. this, at lady thatcher's personal request, is a funeral service, not a memorial service with the customer eulogies. -- with the customary eulogies. at such a time, the past should not aspire to the judgments which are proper to the politician. instead, this is a place for ordinary human compassion of the kinds that is reconciling. it is splace where the simple truths which transcend political debate and above all, it is the place for hope. it must be very difficult for those members of her family and those closely associated with her to recognize the wife, mother, and grandmother

and world bank her first term was it mrs thatcher was of the i.m.f. and world bank it was running economic policy what she was doing neatly fitted in to a particular structure and a particular elite structure in britain that matched different types of wishes and desires so that we would end up with asset stripping on such a large scale and the mass sell off of of success one of them being a place. and the being a place of she was around now for her government is she the kind of character that you'd need a strong leadership in government now maybe to write some of britain's current problems. without doubt she's out there massive effect perhaps the biggest effect is on the parliament i remember watching her before bollman was televised in the house of commons and obviously this generation of parliamentarians watch what problems brulee watch your videos because they follow her policies the opposition labor party of tony blair of ed miliband let alone the party of david cameron they're much more to the extreme right of his is that your reference is that y

my question has to be about mrs. thatcher and president reagan. they complemented each other as far as world leaders better than anyone since roosevelt and churchill. but my specific question is after two of the major overseas involving president reagan, the iran-contra issue and then the funding of the mujahedin in afghanistan when the soviet union was there, which at that time included osama bin laden. after president reagan was out of office, i was wondering did lady thatcher ever have any public comments about those two particular blemishes on her good friend's president reagan's record? i will get off the line for your answer. guest: i will have to take a pass on a detail. i do not want to make up an answer. i do not know if she made any comments or in generally comments. in general, she cannot not have been more unwavering in her support of president reagan. it was not just the foreign- policy support. famously, they both worked to speak harsh truths about the unsustainability of the soviet union, something that coincided with the implosion

some are suggesting that mrs. thatcher may be something of a role model for mrs. clinton if she decides to run in 2016. interestingly, despite shattering the glass ceiling, herself, mrs. thatcher did almost nothing to actively promote the rights of women. in fact, on one occasion she reportedly told an adviser "the feminists hate me, and i don't blame them, for i hate feminism. it is poison." but women's rights have become one of mrs. clinton's most important concerns. in fact, one of her first speeches following retirement from the state department was delivered to the women in the world summit. >> let's keep telling the world over and over again that, yes, women's rights are human rights and human rights are women's rights. once and for all. >> once and for all. and for those who lionize mrs. thatcher, she had many admirable qualities. she was, as she said, a conviction politician. the so-called iron lady. she did more than survive in a man's world. she beat them at their own game. but doing better than men is something that women have been doing for a very long

and behind me i saw that mrs. thatcher was still sitting at that table. and she didn't move. she stayed with the men. and we all went upstairs to the powder room. i rememberhinking wow, you knowi wa so kind of irritated with her that she didn't come with us. when i look back, i realized that she took a stand. she didn't expect us to. i mean as a man was saying she wasn't a feminist at all. she wasn't doing as a kind of look what i am doing, it simply wouldn't have occurred to her to leave the table. >> rose: her idea was that women were -- >> she feld the-- held the floor and i think about it now, i say hooray. >> i think the ron she-- this disaffection between her and-is that she was a champ, sheas a broke. and there is a quote mitterrand said she had the eyes of call ig you la and the-- of marilyn monroe. arafat when they were calling her the iron lady, arafat said no, the iron man. >> brzezinski said she has no female quality. everybody was terrified she would go into the wrong toilet. >> i disagree. i think she-- she was kind of that mummy stereotype, the tough nanny. she

and behind me i saw that mrs. thatcher was still sitting at that table. and she didn't move. she stayed with the men. and we all went upstairs to the powder room. i remember thinking wow, you know, i was so kind of irritated with her that she didn't come with us. when i look back, i realized that she took a stand. she didn't expect us to. i mean as a man was saying she wasn't a feminist at all. she wasn't doing as a kind of look what i am doing, it simply wouldn't have occurred to her to leave the table. >> rose: her idea was that women were -- >> she feld the-- held the floor and i think about it now, i say hooray. >> i think the ron she-- this disaffection between her and-- is that she was a champ, she was a broke. and there is a quote mitterrand said she had the eyes of call ig you la and the-- of marilyn monroe. arafat when they were calling her the iron lady, arafat said no, the iron man. >> brzezinski said she has no female quality. everybody was terrified she would go into the wrong toilet. >> i disagree. i think she-- she was kind of that mummy stereotype, the tough n

reagan and mrs. thatcher. mrs. reagan, thank you for taking the time to be with us. when you heard the news about mrs. thatcher's passing, what went through your mind? >> oh, gosh. what went through my mind. well, it wasn't unexpected, because she hadn't been well for a long time, but nevertheless, when the day finally comes, it's hard to accept it. she was a wonderful, wonderful woman. strong, wonderful. >> mrs. reagan, we're joined by someone you know very well, former secretary of state james baker. mr. secretary, you served as chief of staff to president reagan, also later as secretary of state to president bush senior. what kind of an ally was prime minister thatcher to the white house? >> well, she was the best possible ally, anderson. of course, as you've pointed out, she and president reagan had a seamless relationship, but she also had an extraordinarily good relationship with president george h.w. bush but only for 18 months. of course, with president reagan, it was for eight years. and she had that relationship with him across geopolitical, geostrategic li

mr. wapshott offers the leaders are advocates of each other. margaret thatcher died on april 8, 2013. this is a little over an hour. >> few would've believed the itinerant shoe salesman that would seek to revitalize the dispirited nation ultimately be seen as changing the world. likewise, few would have imagined that their neighborhood grocer's daughter was destined to change the course of her country and influence the direction of an international community. how fortunate for the cause of freedom that these two individuals under president ronald reagan and baroness thatcher came to positions of leadership from both of their nations needed them most. as iraq are today will discuss, there is this political marriage based upon ideology and a true meeting of the mind. ronald reagan -- "ronald reagan and margaret thatcher: a political marriage," nicholas wapshott reveals even more clearly the rare relationship between these two world leaders. mr. wapshott is an editor at the new york sun and

mr. vice-president, nice to see you, sir. >> good to see you. >> today, the people of britain either loved her or loathed her, former prime minister marg rets thatcher. what do you remember? >> put me in the love camp. i had enormous respect and regard for prime minister thatcher. she was a lady, but a tremendous leader, too. i remember in the early days of desert storm, when we were first dealing with saddam's invasion of kuwait -- this was 20 years ago. the president sent me to saudi arabia to talk to king fahd and get permission to send troop through the desert of saudi arabia. i got his approval and called the president back at the oval office to get his authorization to deploy the force. margaret thatcher was there at the same time in the oval office. and a couple of months later then, i was in london, i had found my way to moscow and i stopped by to pay my respects and it was an absolutely one of the most fascinating hours i ever spent. she kickedute all the staff and kept me in and

married to dennis thatcher and mother of twins by 1970 mrs. thatcher was the conservative party's education minister. five years after that its leader acutely aware of the glass ceiling she was cracking. >> i stand before you tonight in my red chief upon chief upon evening gown. >> by may of 1979 after the u.k.'s sagging economy and spirits gave rise to warcht discontent thatcher was elected first and only female prime minister. >> where there is discourse, may we bring harmony. where there is error may we bring truth. where there is doubt may we bring faith. where there is is despair may we bring hope. >> dubbed the iron lady by the soviets. thatcher dispatched her majesty's warships to reclaim the falkland iltsdz. she miguel gorbachev someone she could do business and forged relationship with ronald reagan. faced down the coal miner's your union. >> what we have got is an attempt to substitute the rule of the mob for the rule of law there. be. [shouting] >> whose members on strike for a year returned to work be a sent any concessions. thatch

thatcher who became a symbolic figure, even an ism. but today, the remains of margaret hilda thatcher are here at her funeral service. line year, she is one of us. >> one of us, a thatcher phrase for those she's is being on her side. all of muzzles pointed this was enough to move george osborn. he sat, eyes blinking, a tiered clearly on his cheek. later he treated, "it was an overwhelming day. -- de." it -- an overwhelming de." it was quite a sendoff. it was the funeral she wanted, the one she discussed not with just david cameron's government, but with tony blair's and gordon brown's 2. and after all this up -- a celebration, it ended as predicted, with the cheers of margaret thatcher's supporters. news, st. paul's cathedral. >> saying goodbye to margaret thatcher. you are watching abc world news america. still to come, ancient human ancestors that stood just 3 feet tall. how did the so-called hobby people of indonesia becomes so little? scientists have found the answer. founder of ae company which supplied tens of thousands of women

baroness thatcher was many things, mr. speaker. she was a pioneer come a first female leader in the united kingdom and the first female prime minister. she did great at glass ceiling, the shouts of her through standing in the way of anyone from becoming the leader of a major political party. she was a woman of personal and local courage come a politician of ability and a woman who transformed not only the united kingdom come but also played an enormous role in changing fundamentally the world order. of course there are many who disagreed, even with their own party and those of us who are unionist disagreed with eradication, particularly in relation to the anglo-irish agreement. but whatever our views, people today by and large must accept, acknowledged that hire her as a politician, a safe person of conviction. for the case of focus groups have a soft imogene would have suited her. how many times they decide within her lifetime and then at least you knew where maggie said and people admire that in their politicians. that is certain

mrs. thatcher is the first major allied leader to visit the new president. earlier this afternoon, jim leer and i discussed some of these issues with mrs. thatcher at blair house. >> a short while ago it was announced that you are delaying your departure from washington in the morning to have a special unscheduled second session with president reagan. has something urgent arisen, something special or what? >> no. i i think it's a lovely idea. my husband and me to go around to the white house to say good-bye and to say how very much we've enjoyed the trip. >> we were afraid that maybe something had come up on el salvador or something like that. that's not the case. >> i don't think we would be so ham-handed to do that way if it had. >> in your conversations with the president, secretary hagan others, with a full range of tions that could be employed to stop this outside interference, were they gone over with you? >> no. actually the proportion of questions i've had on el salvador from interviewers far exceeds the proportion of time we spent on discussing this

mrs. thatcher is the first major allied leader to visit the new president. earlier this afternoon, jim leer and i discussed some of these issues with mrs. thatcher at blair house. >> a short while ago it was announced that you are delaying your departure from washington in the morning to have a special unscheduled second session with president reagan. has something urgent arisen, something special or what? >> no. i i think it's a lovely idea. my husband and me to go around to the white house to say good-bye and to say how very much we've enjoyed the trip. >> we were afraid that maybe something had come up on el salvador or something like that. that's not the case. >> i don't think we would be so ham-handed to do that way if it had. >> in your conversations with the president, secretary hagan others, with a full range of options that could be employed to stop this outside interference, were they gone over with you? >> no. actually the proportion of questions i've had on el salvador from interviewers far exceeds the proportion of time we spent on discussing th

>> well, mrs. thatcher was 87 years old and had been in poor health for a number of years, richard. nonetheless, this is a chance now to reflect on her legacy. you know, she could be and is was in many ways a device itch figure, considering what she was taking on coming in following the wrenching inflation of the 1970s. she took on the country's labor unions, privatized industries. but former prime minister gordon brown saying this morning that even though who disagreed with her understood the strength of her convictions. and the current prime minister, david cameron, cutting short a trip to europe to come back here reflected this morning on the pivotal role that mrs. thatcher played in this country's history. >> as our first woman prime minister, margaret thatcher succeeded against all the odds. and the real thing about margaret thatcher is that she she didn't just lead our country, she saved our country. and i believe she'll go down into the greatest british peace time prime minister. >> reaction is beginning to pour in from around the world. and you know, one of the big parts of