posner says that... >> i'm oversimplify ago really thoughtful analysis. and i don't want to do that. but he argues that somebody needed to bring an end to the process, and the court was the right person to do that. the problem with that... >> charlie: do you agree with that? >> no, i don't. because the process was almost over. we were within 36 hours of having the entire state recounted. when the supreme court stopped the vote-counting. >> charlie: do you think the supreme court did it when it did it because it knew that was the reality on the ground? >> well, the majority essentially said that. >> charlie: we're ruling now because we want to stop the voting. we have to stop the voting because it will be complete and make it more open ended. >> they said if we thin decide there was something wrong people will say george bush was not legitimately elected president. that's in the, you know, the decision stopping the vote-counting on saturday. >> charlie: there's a huge consciousness of what was happening outside the court. >> absolutely. charlie: and if in

posner says that... >> i'm oversimplify ago really thoughtful analysis. and i don't want to do that. but he argues that somebody needed to bring an end to the process, and the court was the right person to do that. the problem with that... >> charlie: do you agree with that? >> no, i don't. because the process was almost over. we wereitn 36 hours of having the entire state recounted. when the supreme court stopped the vote-counting. >> charlie: do you think the supreme court did it when it did it because it knew that was the reality on the ground? >> well, the majority essentially said that. >> charlie: we're ruling now because we want to stop the voting. we have to stop the voting because it will be complete and make it more open ended. >> they said if we thin decide there was something wrong people will say george bush was not legitimately elected president. that's in the, you know, the decision stopping the vote-counting on saturday. >> charlie: there's a huge consciousness of what was happening outside the court. >> absolutely. charlie: and if in fact

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this is the mother of 6-year-old noah posner who was killed in that school. i'll play the clip and then we'll talk. >> that's the jacket that i bought for him in the fall. i used to call him jack london when he wore it, because he just looked like an outdoorsy guy. that was one of the items that the state trooper who was assigned to us was so incredibly dedicated in tracking down. he was able to retrieve that for us. and that meant a huge amount. still does. i'll always cherish that jacket. it's the things you hold on to when you have nothing left. >> what a powerful statement. why was it so important to "people" magazine to revisit it tragedy? >> i think as time has gone on, the debate has moved to things that are important like gun control. but i think for us it is the power of the intimate detail. what is it like to have been these people. i think what we tried to achieve in the magazine is create that connection between people. for us, it is thatti intimate detail. when you read about a mother who says she lies down in her daughter's bed, because it's the

adam posner was shot 11 times alone. the state medical examiner said he had never ever seen anything like this. six kids were courageously hidden in a classroom closet by their teacher victoria soto who shielded her kids from the bullets and died that day. five of the kids ran out of the room and lance had trouble reloading. five kids alive today because the shooter had to stop and switch ammunition magazines. whether it's because he had trouble loading again or because the police were coming in the building at 9:45 lanza turned one of the weapons on themselves and the massacre ended but not before 26 people were dead. that's the reality. the worst of the reality is this. we either do something right now or it's going to happen again. really mr. president tapping every day. this country has gotten so callously used to gun violence that it's just rain drops. it's just background and that reality the level of which we are losing 30 americans a day to gun violence in which a chart that shows you how many died december 14 is

you think it's terrible that noah posner's twin sister has to grow up with the knowledge that her brother was gunned down. think about what ronnie chambers had to grow up with, having watched his other three siblings die at the hands of gun violence. ronnie became convinced after watching his three other siblings die from gun violence that he had to turn his life around, and so he did. he went into the music industry and he became a music producer and he decided to go even further and start to mentor young performers. people will remember him in the industry as -- quote -- everybody's hero. he was always pointing kids in the right direction, despite his own difficult upbringing. and he was fun, too. he loved banana milk shakes and onion rings. and then he was killed. the fourth of four siblings to be gunned down in and around chicago. four brothers and sisters his brother carlos shot in 1995. his brother jerome shot in 2000. his sister latoya just three months before jerome, before jerome. before jerome and then ronnie, dead at 33. or how about amber deanna stanley who was killed last sum