snowden does end up it means you would have also we're hearing reports of it all to you that mr snowden's being accompanied by wiki leaks advisor any truth to that as far as you know. yes it's reported so far that he is being escorted by sarah harrison one of julian assange his closest adviser she's been with the organization for over two years and she has been accompanying him she has helped to orchestrate his safe passage out of hong kong into russia and through to his final destination so it's something that wiki leaks has made no secret of the fact that it is always of course advocated the protection of whistleblowers chilliness on just being sheltered by the ecuador as we speak but what is interesting is that wiki leaks has reasserted itself in the foot of consciousness of the media of got the governments around the world and of citizens everywhere by its it's a very close relationship with this particular case it's usually more an arm's length and it's really embracing this this action taken by edward snowden in sort of a new way it's very surprising for a lot of people assume we're

i asked him why snowden fled. >> mr. assange, can you tell us whether you believe that as a whistle-blower as you define him, that snowden could have opted to go to congress or to the inspector general? why did he go to hong kong in particular, and now presumably is still in moscow? >> it is clear that mr. snowden is a whistle-blower by all his actions. >> accountcan the united states him? >> he is in russia, yes. >>> the obama administration is losing patience. john kerry tells nbc news. >> certainly to the oath that he took, to the promise he took to his fellow employees, to the place that he was employed at, to the duty that he took on, freely by his own choice, and there is no way but to make a judgment about the way in which he has done harm to america's national security interests. so i think you can use almost whatever term you want. i think those actions are despicable. >>> opening statements. the prosecution and defense beginning their case in the trial of george zimmerman. deciding zimmerman's fate -- six juror

likely that mr snowden is because since he landed his plane landed and should i mean airport around five pm on sunday he's still not been seen at leading the airports premisses and well there is speculation that he doesn't have a russian visa plus he's passport was not only that it's so you can't walk out of the airport and leave its premises so it's most likely that he's inside this transit zone now there's speculation that he may be staying at this capsule hotel within the zone and also we know that the ecuadorian and that sort of visit at the sheremetyevo airport on sunday and spent a few hours behind closed doors at the launch also here inside the transit zone so perhaps he was meeting with mr snowden although he never commented on whether or not never would be officially confirmed that when he left the airport he was accompanied by some people but nobody could really identify whether the former cia agent was one of them now it's also reported that mr snowden may be waiting for a flank here to cuba this is according to speculation in the media which quotes an unnamed source with

likely that mr snowden is because since he landed his plane landed and should i mean airport around five pm on sunday he still not been seen leading the airport's true mrs and well there is speculation that he doesn't have a russian visa plus he's passport was invalidated so you can't walk out of the airport leave its premises so it's most likely that he's inside the transit zone now there's speculation that he may be staying at this capsule hotel within the zone and also we know that the ecuadorian and baxter a visit at the sheremetyevo airport on sunday and spent a few hours behind closed doors at the launch also here inside the transit zone so perhaps the meeting with mr snowden although he never commented on whether or not never would be officially confirmed that when he left the airport he was accompanied by some people but nobody could really identify whether the former cia agent was one of them now it's also reported that mr snowden may be waiting for a flank here. this is according to speculation in the media which quotes an unnamed source with an aeroflot just to remind you

the united states government has made clear it wants mr. snowden rushed. if the russian government wanted to cooperate, is there any question in your mind they could grab him and turn him over is this. >> the question is whether he's illegally in russia. if his passport wasn't revoked, there is no requirement for the russians to turn help back over to the u.s.. >> no requirement. >> no requirement to hold him -- well, there would be no legal authority to hold him. if in fact state department did revoke his passport last week which i heard they did, then he's traveling around unless wikileaks or someone has somehow arranged for him to have a passport from another country that none of us are aware of at this point, but if the u.s. passport was his only passport, then he's not traveling legally and even though he's technically not entered through his passport control, he still is in position where they could grab him and have him deported back to the country of his citizenship or deport him back to his last country that he entered from which in this case woul

government and not mr snowden who should at the end of the day be punished. but she will deny the states will be doubling its efforts to try and intercept him and to get an extradition from whatever country they can i think the context of this is that the united states spies on its own citizens it also spies on the citizens of millions of other countries i mean millions of people in other countries and this is done without the permission of those countries it is technically illegal and what is extraordinary is that it would snowden was employed by the united states as a spy yet now they are seeking to arrest him for spying it seems complete and utter hypocrisy when. its own citizens and citizens around the world on a massive scale without proper governmental into strict oversight either within the united states or other countries around the world. now mr snowden's revelations of basically earned him the position of number seven on a list of other whistleblowers that have certainly ruffled the feathers in washington d.c. in fact as we know now the n.s.a. has b

the biggest questions for now is where is mr mr snowden actually inside this transit zone where it's most likely that mr snowden is because since he landed his plane landed and should immediately airport around five pm on sunday he's still not been seen leaving the airports truman says and well there is speculation that he doesn't have a russian visa plus he's passport was in validated so you can't walk out of the airport leave its premises so it's most likely that he's inside this transit zone now there's speculation that he may be staying at this capsule hotel within the zone and also we know that the ecuadorian embassador a visit at the sheremetyevo airport on sunday and spent a few hours behind closed doors at the the ip launch also here inside the transit zone so perhaps he was a meeting with mr snowden although he never commented on the whether or not never be officially confirmed that when he left the airport he was accompanied by some people but nobody could really identify whether the former cia agent was one of them now it's also reported that mr snowden may be waiting for

we don't know exactly what -- what mr. snowden's motives are. but if he was concerned about transparency and freedom, and think could havein the united made a better case from a public relations standpoint if he would have come forward with a team of attorneys and made his case here, because when you run to the nations, you know, either enemies or countries that don't -- haven't shown much of an interest in helping us it casts drought on what his motives are and that is his own fault. jon: that is well put. david drucker. david, thank you. >> thanks a lot, jon. jenna: david was just mentioning the other countries. snowden tries to dodge u.s. efforts to extradict him on charges. the nations he's looking to for help aren't exactly pillars of democracy. take a look. hong kong doesn't have universal voting. police use over restrictive methods in controlling assembly. they brought in charges of 0 espionage. they launched an unprecedented crackdown against any sort of human rights groups and activism inside the country last year. cuba repressess virtu

snowden asylum? >> under u.n. conventions, mr. snowden has the right to apply to nearly every country for asylum. it's always a mixture of the political and the legal. and i think there are several countries where it is politically possible for mr. snowden to receive asylum, and many countries, of course, where he's legally entitled to that kind of protection. it's -- no one is alleging that any of his acts are anything other than political. that he acted in a manner to draw attention to a very serious problem in the united states where, without the will of congress, without the will of the american population, we now have a state within a state, we have the transnational surveillance apparatus. glen greenwald, just last night, spoke about a new technology to evolve out of the national security agency to try to attempt to intercept 1 billion mobile phone calls a day. no one signed up for this, obama doesn't have a mandate. no one has a mandate. they have been taken for a ride. >> you said this is far more than political. secretary

>> it's our understanding that mr. snowden is in russia. we have communicated to the russians our hope that they will look at all options available to them to expel mr. snowden back to the united states. >> does the u.s. government believe if he's allowed to leave russia then you probably is going to give up on getting him back? >> i wouldn't want to speculate about that. i don't think give up is way to characterize the situation. we believe we is know where he is we're having appropriate conversations about that. >> quickly on immigration. one of the house democrats who try to be involved in the talks is said that it's not, doesn't believe it's a blow to immigration reform if a version of the house does not pass the house before the august recess. seems to be where the white house wants it before the august recess. are you guys comfortable with -- >> things we have learned from the white house briefing. edward snowden departed hong kong yesterday. the white house confirmed he traveled to russia, arrived in russia. he's still there. officia

but if he went there with some heads up that mr. snowden might be passing through and then mr. snowden gets on a plane off to latin america somewhere, that would be another embarrassment for the obama administration. >> do you get the sense talking to your sources that the justice department was surprised or was there a sign of a heads up? >> i definitely get the impression that the justice department was surprised. they were totally prepared to get honk congress involvg kong situation. they say they're answering the few more questions and then the guy is gone. so it's clear that they're concerned about it, they want to talk to hong kong more about it, and this probably sort of caught them unawares. >> probably like the barn door shut thing. >> if you take a step back and look at this, and it's the government knowing everything you do and everywhere you you go and listening to your conversation which is we know is not true, but that's the impression that has been left, and the irony that they can't find this guy who is responsible, obviously there are diplomatic reasons for thi

from facilitating mr snowden's asylum. every person has the right to seek and received so far as right. in trying to fight an agent freeman. of which the united states is a party and so it is. counterproductive and acceptable. for the obama administration. to try and we thought is right. it reflects poorly on the u.s. administration. and you know you self respecting country would submit to such interfere and saw such a lean by the u.s. in its battles. and so. this morning. the u.s. secretary of state told it would threaten. trade. a parent had so many friends morning the u.s. secretary of state called a traitor. edward snowden. is not a traitor. is not a spy. he is a whistleblower he was told the public an important truth. the u.s. secretary of state. is wrong in the mall. anymore . a. traitor not here to the u.s. enemies and there is also a requirement. that the doc. and. congressional aide approve four times neither of these changes you. the u.s. administration was not given. a mandate. but the bomb administration was no

and that, so far, has been china's role in mr. snowden's adventure. in terms of russia, the joy on the part of russia in all this is even more blatant. within basically five minutes of edward snowden telling the world who he was, saying he was the nsa leaker, vladimir putin was already volunteering without being asked that russia would be happy to consider his asylum application. at that point he had not made any asylum application. the guy hadn't made any asigh lumb application anywhere in the world. putin was put it out there in case he wanted to apply to russia, it would get considered. now today the nation of ecuador says that it is evaluating a request for asylum that mr. snowden has actually made. ecuador, of course, made its embassy available to the wikileaks founder julian assange in britain. if mr. assange leaves the embassy grounds in britain, british police will arrest him and extradite him to sweden to face sex crime charges. ecuador say it's okay for him to stay in the embassy, telling him he doesn't have to leave. so julian assange has b

snowden back find out what he has to say. thank him and come up with a meaningful way to move forward whatever mistakes he made there were no roads that he could where he could follow he didn't know what he was doing he's the first one to do this type of thing and he should be identified as a picture of it was a blower and allowed to move forward in a way that protects the government's interest and the people's right to know charlie it seems kind of reasonable. well if he'd come back and i think the door is open and it was i took as a passport away from married and selfish because past when i mean i've started. to do anything. you can even travel now but he have started wait a minute the man did with state secrets after he had taken an oath now there are routes he should have taken now if you want to say that he made a mistake whole k one is a mr snowden through his representative contact either the embassy in russia or contact the state department or what have you and say i'm willing to come back and then yes you know we can

is willing to take to get its hands on mr snowden. u.s. officials confirm that they have in fact revoked edward snowden's passport to stop him from traveling it didn't stop him from flying out of hong kong as we know not clear whether it was because hong kong officials did not receive the notification in time or because they made a decision to overlook it we know that the u. was has put a lot of pressure on hong kong to arrest in the days and not to let him leave the country but in a statement the government of hong kong says u.s. documentation did not fully comply with the legal requirements on the hong kong law but also in the same statement the government of hong kong that they want more information about the hacking of computer systems in hong kong by u.s. government agencies something that was part of snowden's revelations so in this official statement we see how hong kong shifts the focus from the messenger edward snowden back to the message through the revelations that he has made demanding an explanation from the uighurs because th

i know you are urging russia to hand mr. snowden of ordeover. mr. putin sounded belligerent and that is putting it mildly. >> he would have a different view if the tables were turned. the status of mr. snowden's travel documents and the pending charges before him are plenty of basis for the russians to return him to the u.s.. it is interesting to say he is in a transit zone that he has no access to. they had the plane that he was intending to go to cuba on surrounded with russian police. they were threatening to take journalists phones away from them. i'm not sure how you can do that and not have access to mr. snowden. moscow wasyou think trying to get out of this? have beenobably interviewing him to see what they could ascertain for their own intelligence purposes. ultimately, to allow him transit to somewhere where he can continue to impugn the national security of the u.s. by continuing to release other information which he allegedly hats -- which he allegedly has. my own view is that the russians are happy to allow him to transit outside the cou

two dice mr snowden but there is no abstract dition treaty between the two countries now many russian human rights activist and now stepping up in support of adverse no we don't. and urging you not to actually dice of the four more on this a contract or meanwhile the hide of state duma foreign affairs committee pushed both wrote in his twitter back to the x. tradition of political refugee is morally unacceptable now as the story develops of the even as well in president nicolas maduro will arrive in moscow on monday and venezuela is considered as a nother possible asylum just a nation for mr snowden so you really sense that there might be a new twist in the story. are disavowing would say reports on the whistleblowers complicated movements and the diplomatic route that has triggered. winning's and snowden i'm twenty nine years old as soon as edward snowden revealed himself as the whistle of a woman he set off a catch me if you can hunt by the u.s. government want to get him caught and away is he now guessing game for the media after a tip off that snowden was on board a flight from ho

leave the airport but still the u.s. a story to have asked russia to actually dice mr snowden but there is no absolute dition treaty between the two countries now many russian human rights activist and now stepping up in support of adverse no wooden and urging not to actually dice of the form or anise a contract or meanwhile the hide of state duma foreign affairs committee aleksey push both wrote to his twitter that to the x. tradition of political refugee is morally unacceptable now as the story develops of the human as well in president nicolas maduro will arrive in moscow on monday and venezuela is considered as a nother possible asylum just a nation for mr snowden so you really sense that there might be a new twist in the story. artist yvonne would say reports on the whistleblowers complicated movements and the diplomatic route that has triggered. bunnings and snowden i'm twenty nine years old as soon as edward snowden revealed himself as the with a woman he set off a catch me if you can hunt by the u.s. government want to get him caught and away is he now guessing game for the medi

and that, so far, has been china's role in mr. snowden's adventure. in terms of russia, the joy on the part of russia in all this is even more blatant. within basically five minutes of edward snoeden telling the world who he was, saying he was the nsa leaker, vladimir putin was already volunteering without being asked that russia would be happy to consider his asylum application. at that point he had not made any asylum application. the guy hadn't made any asigh lumb application anywhere in the world. putin was put it out there in case he wanted to apply to russia, it would get considered. now today the nation of ecuador says that it is evaluating a request for asylum that mr. snowden has actually made. ecuador, of course, made its embassy available to the wikileaks founder julian assange in britain. if mr. assange leaves the embassy grounds in britain, british police will arrest him and extradite him to sweden to face sex crime charges. ecuador say it's okay for him to stay in the embassy, telling him he doesn't have to leave. so julian assange has b

and that, so far, has been china's role in mr. snowden's adventure. in terms of russia, the joy on the part of russia in all this is even more blatant. within basically five minutes of edward snowden telling the world who he was, saying he was the nsa leaker, vladimir putin was already volunteering without being asked that russia would be happy to consider his asylum application. at that point he had not made any asylum application. the guy hadn't made any aisleem application anywhere in the world. putin was put it out there in case he wanted to apply to russia, it would get considered. now today the nation of ecuador says that it is evaluating a request for asylum that mr. snowden has actually made. ecuador, of course, made its embassy available to the wikileaks founder julian assange in britain. if mr. assange leaves the embassy grounds in britain, british police will arrest him and extradite him to sweden to face sex crime charges. ecuador say it's okay for him to stay in the embassy, telling him he doesn't have to leave. so julian assange has been

snowden back find out what he has to say. thank him and come up with a meaningful way to move forward whatever mistakes he made there were no roads that he could where he could follow he didn't know what he was doing he's the first one to do this type of thing and he should be identified as a picture of it was a blower and allowed to move forward in a way that protects the government's interests and the people's right to know charlie it seems kind of reasonable. well if he'd come back and i think the door is open and it wasn't because a passport away from married him self. when i mean understanded going. to do anything. he can't even travel now but he have started wait a minute the man of scar did with state secrets after he had taken an oath now there are routes he should have taken now if you want to say that he made a mistake whole k one is a mr snowden through his representative contact either the embassy in russia or contact the state department or what have you and say i'm willing to come back and then yes you know we c

promise their systems to the united states in the possible extradition of of mr snowden trying to was the first country. to censor what he reads back in two thousand and seven that their policies are varied a little bit since that time but to this present day that the great firewall of china still tries to block a wiki leaks they sent out censorship demands to censor the reportage of the cables in china not just about trying to put about anything at all after the first day of reporting we got hold of that request and published it so. we'll see what this new president to try to is like that. so the under under the previous politburo. the chinese government is no friend there is obviously and he has long range recently on a corrupt practices whether it's someone else's government or from there and so he's in a difficult position in hong kong perhaps he has a plan that we don't know about i do not observe we heard a line today from to be to press call for president putin's press secretary that if mr snowden wanted it russia may consider giving him shelter here if you think you'd ask for

snowden to represent him after mr. snowden himself had been approached by a middleman from the hong kong government asking him if he would like to leave. so it certainly indicates some diplomacy. certainly, mr. snowden's exit was not only hasty, but very smooth. one would expect the hong kong government tested the waters perhaps mr. snowden was in fact -- did in fact leave for russia. >> any concern about the implications this might have on relations with the u.s.? , one would think that this would strain ties between the u.s. government and hong kong. under the 1990 83-d for the friend friend or -- surrender fugitives, -- 1998 treaty for the surrender of fugitives, it is clear that should the u.s. asked for a fugitive to be surrendered, there are only two legal tests. one, that the subject has been charged in the u.s., and secondly that he is in fact present in hong kong. both of those tests seems to comply. yet the hong kong government in a statement yesterday said that it sought further information because the u.s.

for the past twenty four hours or so we were more apparently mr snowden has been. at the shooting me to go forward and well. poor. earlier. we're in terminal and from moscow sheremetyevo airport the same exact terminal where edward snowden a rived at around five pm moscow time on sunday coming from hong kong and company my we delete some representative now at this moment this is pretty much all the precise information we have about them since we were never seen exiting the airport reportedly because we don't have russian visas so most probably they're still in the transit zone and that's where we're heading as well. and we've passed the customs checkpoint right now we are in this zone this is basically where the gates to the airplanes or and on sunday the ecuadorian ambassador to russia beat a visit to a launch here spent a few hours there he didn't comment on when he was meeting but it's very likely that it was mr snowden and when the ambassador left he was accompanied by a group of people but nobody could and identify whether the former cia agent was one of them

snowden back find out what he has to say. thank him and come up with a meaningful way to move forward whatever mistakes he made there were no roads that he got where he could follow he didn't know what he was doing he's the first one to do this type of thing and he should be identified as a picture of it was a blower and allowed to move forward in a way that protects the government's interests and the people's right to know charlie it seems kind of reasonable. well if he'd come back and i think the door is open. probably himself past when you have started. to do you think. you can even travel now but he have started wait a minute the man did with state secrets after he had taken an oath now there are routes he should have taken now if you want to say that he made a mistake whole k one is a mr snowden through his representative contact either the embassy in russia or contact the state department or what have you and say i'm willing to come back and then yes you know we could have find a senator on a on a subcommittee and say i

well i would bet that mr snowden will be sleeping in ecuador sooner rather than later keep in mind that ecuador has difficult diplomatic relations with washington a major u.s. oil company has pollute the environment in ecuador and poisoned and basically killed a number of citizens united states refuses to be forthcoming with regard to bring in this oil company to justice supposedly mr snowden will be transiting through havana and we all know the difficult relations between cuba and united states so i would say that mr snowden should sleep soundly tonight attorney and historian general holder great to talk to you thank you very much and a few thoughts here in r.t. thank you we'll have more updates on the edward snowden story of this short break stay with us this is r.t. live here moscow coming up to twenty minutes past the hour now. download. stream quality and enjoy your favorite. if you're away from your television just. now with your mobile device you can watch on t.v. anytime anywhere. you're watching on t.v. like here in moscow we're following the story of whistleblower edward snowd

as mr. snowden travels around the globe and his whereabouts are unknown, are you in contact with him still? >> i haven't been in contact with him since shortly before he left hong kong, so, no, i have not spoken with him. as he boarded the flight in hong kong. >> there was an article in the south china "morning post" today in which they replayed or reprinted part of an interview with edward snowden in which he basically tells them, he had taken his final job with booz hamilton at that facility in hawaii with the explicit intention of essentially getting documents to then make public. i wonder what your reaction is to that and how much you think his motivations in doing this should be amongst the points of discussion we're having as we watch this story unfold. >> i would think that far and away, the most significant point of the entire episode, where most of our focus ought to be, if not virtually all of it, is on what we have learned the united states government is doing in complete secrecy

snowden learn from bradley manning me he's changed the tactics a bit. i'm not sure if i don't i'm not able to speak to that i don't know if i'm from bradley manning or not what i would say is that i think of anything. crackdown on leaks it may be skewing the leaks that we're seeing toward the more extreme and large scale because if you're going to give up everything if you're going to give up your freedom give up your life as you know it you might as well go for broke ok michael what do you think about that going for broke it looks like both these men have done that but what you have is in december. all the laws of protected national security whistleblowers to go forward were wiped off the books so there's really no avenue and yes when someone is raising such serious concerns at the head of the national security agency is lying to congress where else are you supposed to go then to the american people who need to have that to bait to see if their government is in fact on a student living up to the dreams that our founding fathers wanted it to so whistleb

but i will say that mr. snowden hasn't lied to anyone. he did break his oath of office, but part of his oath of office is to the constitution, and he believes that, when james clapper came in march, our national director of intelligence came and lied, that he was simply coming forward and telling the truth that your government was lying. this was a big concern of mine because it makes me doubt the administration and their word to us when they come and talk to us because they have now admitted that they will lie to us if they think it's in the name of national security. >> i believe that director clapper has said that, when he said the u.s. didn't spy on americans or gather information wittingly, that he was talking about the p.r.i.s.m. program. but i want to move you on -- >> he admitted that he lied, and he said he was saying the least of untruthful things. so he did admit that he lied. >> okay. let me move you on here because i want to ask you about the immigration reform bill that you're going to vote on this week, probably twice, firs

president are afraid of god rather sad odds to mr snowden's exposures are serious and very important and that they once again shed some light on the massive u.s. spying out for. now we're going to have to explain our actions because we're not the one spying on people and they said we have provided snowden with a document for travel now it is a problem for them and not what snowden actually revealed about cyber spying cases do you realize the trav they want to fall into what is really serious is snowden's whistle blowing there were also reports that door and president carter a out has held talks with the u.s. vice president joe biden however it was revealed that rare has not yet made up his mind on snowden's asylum application current he it is impossible for mr edward snowden to actually leave the share much of our international airport which is based here in moscow and the u.s. . has revoked his passport which means that he neither can get a russian visa to actually leave the airport nor can he is the a rat sickly boy any tickets to have on the or adequate door so whatever the story

president are afraid colorado south dodson mr snowden's exposures are serious and very important and that they once again shed some light on the massive u.s. spying out for its ordered parliament building. and now we're going to have to explain our actions but we're not the one spying on they said we have provided snowden with a document for travel now it is a problem for them and not what snowden actually revealed about cyber spying cases do you realize the trav they want us to fall into what is really serious is snowden's whistle blowing. there were also reports that ecuador and president carter a out has held talks with us vice president joe biden however it was revealed that rare has not yet made up his mind on snowden's asylum application meanwhile according to the elitists a media reports former cia contractor for advice. snowden as a not able to leave russia until he meets with a south american diplomats however the tricky thing is is that the missing is not scheduled yet and the legal status of mr snowden's is yet to be identified now current he it is impossible for mr edward

as you know, we understand mr. snowden to be in russia. we are in discussions with russian authorities about that. we have a strong law enforcement cooperative relationship with the russians. that has resulted in us returning criminals to russia. we are expecting the russians to examine the options available to them to expel mr. snowden for his return to the united states. >> how frustrating is it to the president that china and let him go and now china seems to be on the verge of letting him go? >> i would not want to speculate on anything that has not happened yet. i will say our frustration and disappointment with hong kong and china is reflected in the statement i just made. >> how did the president react when he learned snowden had left hong kong? >> i would say the president has been updated by his national security staff on developments. i do not have a characterization of his reaction to developments except to say that he is monitoring it closely and the disappointment we feel in the handling of this by hong kong authorities and th

binney, everything that mr. snowden exposed was completely legal, would you agree with that? >> no, i would not. i've signed an affidavit for jewel versus nsa, which is challenging the constitutionality of nsa collecting all of this information on u.s. citizens. the government is fighting as hard as they can to keep it out of court. because they don't want it going into the supreme court and being declared unconstitutional. if that happens the whole house of cards that they built around 9/11 and the fisa act and the operator act section 215 and their secret interpretation, all of that becomes unconstitutional, and the whole house of cards falls. even retroactive immune to the telcoms is unconstitutional and therefore not legal. that falls too. that means the telcoms would be liable again. >> john: the nsa as you know will continue telling us that prism and collecting all of this information was necessary to protect american lives, but you think by exposing prism was necessary to protect american freedoms. >> i think exposing it is necessary to protect the freedom, but let me

snowden's is yet to be identified now currently it is impossible for mr edward snowden to actually leave the show or much of our international airport which is based here in moscow and the u.s. government has revoked his passport which means that he can get a russian visa to actually leave the airport nor can he is theoretically boy any tickets to have vanno or appledore so however as the story develops. vinous well young president nicolas maduro will arrive in moscow on monday and that there are some speculations that his upcoming visit may actually resolve the situation in a way. meanwhile the father of the fugitive whistleblower believes that his son could return to the united states if certain conditions are met now he outlined those terms in a letter sent to the u.s. attorney general eric holder lonnie snowden says that the son should not be detained before trial that's one of the conditions he shouldn't be subjected to a gag order that's basically something that would ban him from publicly speaking out about this and that snowden should be able to choose the location where the cour

you knew all that mr. snowden has released. then why is all this, why is everybody up in arms about u.s. security being compromised and mr. snowden now i'm sure that the federal government and the fbi probably figuring out how they can get their hands on it wouldn't you think so. >> yes, the big difference is when these people tell me these things, i've been reporting things like this for years, is that the general alexander for example after the wired story came out last year and bill benny was talking about how nsa was getting all the verizon metadata and everything else, general alexander came out basically and said that's not true. we don't do that we don't have anything to do with american communications. we don't get involved with american communications at all. we don't gather american data. >> rose: these disclosures make what general alexander said a lie. >> exactly. and so that's what makes this powerful is the fact that snowden sees that. snowden sees that other people come out, they blow the whistle on these same th

rist exposures there were made to boy mr snowden and really the same commons came from aqua door and the president are afraid quite rare died so mr snowden's exposures are serious and very important and that they once again shed some light on the massive u.s. spying out for its own at parliament building. and now we're going to have to explain our actions but we're not the one spying on they said we have provided snowden with the documents for travel now it is a problem for them to imagine what snowden actually revealed about cyber spying cases do you realise the travel they want to fall into what is really serious is snowden's whistle blowing. there were also reports that door and president carter a out has held talks with the us vice president joe biden however it was revealed says that rare has not yet made up his mind on snowden's asylum application meanwhile according to the only this media reports for r.c.i. . contracture average snowden as not able to leave russia until he meets with a south american diplomats however the tricky thing is is that the missing is not scheduled ye

understanding mr. snowden remains in russia. beyond that, i would not want to speculate about next steps except that we have communicated to the russians our hope that they will look all options available to them to expel mr. snowden back to the united states. >> does the u.s. government believe if he is allowed to governmenta the u.s. will give up on getting him back? >> i would not want to speculate about that. i do not think of a is a way to characterize the situation. we understand where he is and having appropriate conversations about that. i would not want to get ahead of that. >> on immigration, one of the he does notats said believe it is a blow to immigration reform is a version does not house the house before the august recess. it does not pass the house before the august recess. are you comfortable with the idea that it does not act you can still get immigration reform? >> we want progress in both houses. we have seen substantial progress in the senate. agreementr the reached on border security to be a positive breakt

snowden's options at this point? >> mr. snowden is free to leave russia as president putin said. he has to find a country that is logical to take him and stand up the onslaught of the united states. so far, he has applied to ecuador for asylum. ecuador seems promising to take him although it is a very small country. nine million people. not a lot against the united states. venezuela would be another one. then you're talking about the two big countries left in the world, china and russia and ed snowden has indicated he didn't want to go to either of those countries because he doesn't want to be seen as really involved in those countries. he wants to be seen as having disclosed what's happening to the american people but also to people around the world with this massive surveillance system. >> john: do you think mr. snowden could have possibly handled the situation in any way differently? if you were advising him from the beginning, would you have suggested he would protest in any different ways? >> i would not have recommended he use the whistle blowing system set up in the united

three dice mr snowden however there is no x. tradition treaty between the two countries now mainly russian human rights activist and now stepping up in support of mr snowden urging that there should be no extradition and the had hoped for in the first committee aleksey scoffed wrote in his twitter that the extradition off political refugee is morally unacceptable but as the story develops of the even as well ian president nicolas maduro will arrive in moscow this a monday and there are some spock elations that he has visited so would actually resolve the situation in a way that we thank you very much for the. port in moscow thank you what human rights activist peter tatchell says america is showing deep hypocrisy in its time big of snowden. this is rogue spying by a rogue state i mean if it was edward snowden had been an iranian whistleblower who exposed global snooping by the terran regime i think he would have been hailed by the united states as a horowitz whistleblower he would have been lauded and pray i think the united sta

let's question mr snowden was his motive. but that's taken away from what was you know more thoughtful to you but he had a motive didn't eat enough his motive was out to wish to be flee. because he doesn't want to face the same fate as bradley manning he doesn't want to face fate therefore he wouldn't stand up for what he stood for no right yes see the other words we did want to say you know what i tried to do in asking questions was i do the best i can over my career and it's the best questions i could pose in the best answers and hopefully big audience make up their own mind how do you see this kind of attack on journalism ever before or do you see that this is the worst it's been terms of crackdown of whistleblowers of the obama administration etc i mean whistle blows are fired and they were never heard of a correct almost right now. you know it's well he's already charged the third is the eighth person in charge of the espionage act the world war one piece of what if the nature of the law but isn't the government breaking

american to extradite mr snow mr snowden. both in hong kong. china. want to engage in does unpopular. incident or has much media. give them and. unfortunately we're having some technical difficulties with professor chang there was have to get back with him later in our broadcast but for a snowden's vanishing act and the very fact that he managed to send a jet full of journalists off to cuba without him how's got some people shaking their heads others though flushing out a full blown conspiracy theories will have more on those conspiracy theories a little later but stay with us because they are very entertaining but ecuador has reportedly given snowden the refugee papers while it considers his asylum request but the foreign minister from that country is refusing to reveal where the whistleblower is snowden's tried to ecuador was organized by wiki leaks according to that company's chief julian assad artie's pauli boyko has more on that. julian the sons were saying that they are in contact with edward snowden and the wiki leaks legal representative trave

well i mean in the end of course it is mr snowden himself who decides his destiny and destination. the last i heard he was generally. in his request for asylum in ecuador and had to go to ecuador he leaked information to the washington post and you have to cut he. information to two newspapers the washington post and the guardian in the u.k. why is wiki leaks then taken on his calls. when he came forth and identified himself as the source of these extremely important information that we now have in the open. we publicly stated that we would assist him because we know what he will apply to whistleblowers and we haven't we of course. protection for whistleblowers platform for their information so we had to it was natural for us to reach out and offer of help in any way and our health has been. limited to two legal advise and. i can go between now and i would help if you got from russia and china in all of this. not all. julian said this morning in this press conference that there's been no. there was no prior knowledge. with russian authorities that snowden was arriving there. but th

glenn broke the edward snowden story in the guardian. my first question to you, as mr. snowden travels around the globe and his whereabouts are unknown, are you in contact with him still? >> i haven't been in contact with him since shortly before he left hong kong, so, no, i have not spoken with him. as he boarded the flight in hong kong. >> there was an article in the "south china morning post" today in which they replayed or reprinted part of an interview with edward snowden in which he basically tells them, he had taken his final job with booz allen hamilton as a contractor at that facility in hawaii with the explicit intention of essentially getting documents to then make public. i wonder what your reaction is to that and how much you think his motivations in doing this should be amongst the points of discussion we're having as we watch this story unfold. >> i would think that far and away, the most significant point of the entire episode, where most of our focus ought to be, if not virtually all of it, is on what we have learned the united states government is doin

is that organization involved in paying for mr. snowden's travel? >> the money that we have access to comes from various sources. one is the freedom of the press foundation. we have a fund in france as well that's collecting money on our behalf. despite the banking block on us, we have funds in ice lan from prior to the banking blockade against the organization. >>sky that because two journalists obviously mr. snowden gave on some of the leaked information to are on the board of the freedom of the press foundation. were you aware of that when wikileaks began paying for his travel? >> i was aware of their position on the board of the freedom of press foundation, yes. >> i want your reaction to something lonnie snowden, mr. snowden's father, said. "i don't want him to put him in peril," meaning his son, "but i am concerned about those who surround him. wikileaks' focus is not necessarily on the constitution of the united states but simply to release as much information as possible. >> i think mr. snowden has been ill-informed by mainstream media in th

although the ecuadorian officials haven't exactly explain tower and if mr snowden would be able to gain asylum from their country they have certainly responded quite brashly in the sense that they've preemptively renounced a trade agreement which is known as the andean trade preference act that is a trade agreement that sort of gave ecuador beneficial preferences in its business relations with the united states preemptively saying that this was in response to quote a blackmail of ecuador over in the former n.s.a. contractor asylum request now. officials us speaking at an early morning press conference also announce that they are offering a twenty three million dollar donation to the united states supposedly to help the united states for human rights training certainly a lot of public public statements public reaction sort of trying to indicate that accord or will not bow to u.s. pressure in regard to the asylum request over mr snowden an ecuadorian official said that they have not yet granted him asylum request in fact in order for him to formally apply he would have to do so an ecuador

that was very troubling to mr. snowden. according to albert ho and began leading him down the path towards deciding that he did not want to premaremain in hong kon. >> tell us about this person, snowden met on an earlier visit to hong kong, he then spent quality time before getting on the flight from hong kong to moscow. what do we know about this individual? >> albert ho did not provide a lot of details except to say that when edward snowden first arrived in hong kong he looked up somebody whom he had met previously when he had gone on a vacation here. that individual introduced him to his lawyers, that individual also helped him find, according to albert ho, a place to stay, with, with within of the individual's friend, a place somewhere out in the new territories which is an outlying area of hong kong. and he had a tiny room there in the other person's house. somebody here who is active in the community according to albert ho tried to help edward snowden during his three weeks in hong kong. >> i asked the question, bloom