she may have been consoling mr. martin. stateme at the same time, the defense could make the point that there was another person in the room who knew his voice and could have stepped up to make that statement and did not. they have two people in that room that ultimately could be hurtful. >> let's go back in. we're listening to defense witness adam pollack. >> tell me if you would what your first experience was in this area that you've taken on as your career. >> i started in the gym at about 4 years old. i've been in the gyms my entire life. i started as a competitive athlete and worked into a trainer and that eventually led into being a gym owner and kind of worked its way. that's what i do now. >> when you say competitive athlete, tell us a bit more about what that means. >> i started off as a child playing a variety of competitive sports, including soccer, basketball, racketball, fighting for boxing and mai tai. >> tell me about your experience in fighting. >> i've been involved in fight training for a majority of my li

mr. martin was a healthy young man. if he's involved in a struggle, you expect his heart to be going, beating, especially after he gets shot, more than 100 times a minute. you know, healthy people, 120 in a struggle is no big deal. now, remember, every time the heart beats, out comes the blood. now, if he loses -- say it's only beating 100, which is relatively slow. if he loses 15 -- if he loses, okay, we've got the three things. say he loses a tablespoon of blood every time the heart beats, which is, you know, you've got two big holes in the heart. so if you lose that, a tablespoon, that's not that much. that's 15 ccs. the heart is beating 100, you're losing 1,500 ccs in a minute. that's about a quarter of his blood and the second minute if he can assume the same rate, the heart will probably be beating faster. he's going to lose another 15. that means he's lost more than 50% of his blood supply. very suddenly. it's not just the loss of blood. at that point he's not pumping any sufficient blood to the heart or brain an

martin on top of him, mr. martin was the aggressor. the strikes were being rained down and he, for lack of better words, was physically unable of responding, wanting someone to help him out of a bad situation. it's possible his hands were busy. maybe they were pushing -- i wasn't there. i can't say exactly what his hands were doing. i know if you're the aggressor in a fight, how can you be the addressor and not hurt somebody? so in this situation if he's the one screaming, the reason there's an absence of injuries is because he's the one that was throwing strikes. >> is it unusual for someone to simply be completely dominated by another one who is physically better abilitied. >> it all goes back to mindset and it's not unusual but what's really -- you know, in listening to the nonemergency call that mr. zimmerman made, it's clear during this conversation that he becomes concerned about mr. martin, ee special pli when he's looking at him and walking back towards him because he even vocalizes this to the dispatcher. he didn't get out of

what was the purpose of you bringing mr. martin and miss green to your office? >> to bring them up to speed as far as the progress of the investigation, where we were at that point. >> okay. they had some concerns, did they not, as to whether or not mr. zimmerman at that point had been arrested? >> yes, sir. >> were you sharing with them your progress, what was done and what still needed to be done? >> yes, sir. >> and can you outline the setting, where you were when you had this conversation with the two of them? >> we conducted a meeting in the conference room that we have in the police department on the second floor. and after that i went ahead and played the 911 recordings for him. >> do you recall where that recording took place? >> it was at my desk. >> and that was, as testified to by a previous officer, sort of a cubby hole setup with two or three other desks in close proximity? >> yes, sir. >> and can you then tell the jury how that was set up, where you were sitting, where mr. martin was sitting, if he was, and where miss green was sitting? >> okay, i

is the position that mr. goode saw, trayvon martin straddling and striking mr. zimmerman with mr. zimmerman on his back, consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement, i take it, is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> right. but again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >> the -- you pointed out in your direct evidence that there were two lacerations on the back of mr. zimmerman's head and that you testified that you believed those two have been from separate impacts. >> yes, sir. >> because you could see the sort of valley in between. >> yes, sir. >> those were the two blows that created the lacerations. >> right, in addition they were so separate that if you impacted one, you couldn't get the other one. so there were two reasons. >> your testimony was that was consistent with having mr. zimmerman's head struck at least twice on a surface like concrete. >> objectio

mr. martin was a healthy young man. if he is involved in a struggle, you expect his heart to be going, beating -- especially after he gets shot -- more than a hundred times a minute. you know, healthy people, 120 in a struggle is not sno big deal. now, remember, every time the heart beats, out comes the blood. now, if he loses -- say he is only beat ago hundred which is relatively slow. if he loses 15 -- if he loses -- okay, we got the three things. say he loses a tablespoon of blood every time the heart beats, which is, you know, you got two big holes in the heart. so if you lose that, a tablespoon, that's not that much blood. that is 1515 ccs. the heart is beating a hundred. you are losing 1,500 ccs in in a minute. that minute. that's about a quarter of his blood supply. and a second minute, if you can assume the same rate, actually the heart would probably be beating faster for the second minute, he's going to lose another 1,500. that means he's lost more than 50% of his blood supply. very suddenly. it's not just the

martin was physically active and capable person. mr. zimmerman is an individual who is, by no stretch of the imagination, an athlete, and that his -- i believe, it's my opinion, that the physical abilities, he would find himself lacking when compared to mr. martin. >> moving on then to the actual event itself and the information you had available to you as to how it unfolded, we have talked or begun with the conversation about at least mr. zimmerman's perspective and the other evidence that you talked about as far as where it started. did you give any consideration to the length of the altercation? >> of course, i did. i mean, when you talk about any kind of dynamic combat event -- when i say that, i'm talking about just in layman's terms of fight. we have a golden rule that if you have not successfully won the fight, change the tactic because the tactics aren't working. the average person's adrenaline dump and within 30 seconds you complete about everything you have as far as giving 100% of your physical ability. and if you you haven't

zimmerman continue to follow mr. martin? >> at which point, sir? >> the point the officer said -- nonemergency operator said we don't need you to do that and mr. zimmerman said okay. >> i would say yes, there was. >> what -- what evidence would you have? >> end location. >> soar. >> i end location. where the incident ultimately end. >> the fact that -- may i approach the witness, your honor? state's exhibit 139. because you know the event started where? >> the event as far as i'm concerned, started off that map. >> okay. talking about the pass cal altercation. i apologize. my understanding from -- what's your understanding as to when mr. zimmerman got to this area, what path he took. >> may i stand? >> please do. >> would you face forward? >> yes. >> my understand sing he's coming this way and he walks. okay. he walks all the way over here. he says he doesn't see him. he says he doesn't see him. okay. and the altercation, physical altercation, started right there approximately. >> okay. great. thank you. with that as context then, do you know exact

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martin he was going to call 911 and mr. martin continued to ignore him and continued to batter my client in whatever form or fashion however number of times he did that ended up with the injuries that my client had. they can't ignore that evidence to a jury and they really should not be able to ignore it to you on a judgment of acquittal argument. >> argument on behalf of the state? >> thank you. respectfully mr. o'mara gets the arguments backwards for starters because justifiable use of deadly force is a defense for which the defendant actually bears the initial burden and i'm not arguing necessarily that he didn't need it but because it is a defense, the first inquiry that has to be undertaken is the elements of the crime itself of second-degree murder. only then do we move to the issue of whether or not there is sufficient evidence to dispute the defense of justifiable use of deadly force. so the first thing that should be addressed is the elements of the actual crime that the state bears the burden of proving. the inten

martin. >> yes. >> and pictures of mr. martin and mr. zimmerman? >> yes. >> you have an opportunity to review any of the scene mock-ups or drawings that were created either by the state or defense in this case? >> the only scene drawings that i saw from what i received were from the investigators. i didn't see any -- you mention a state mock-up. i didn't see a state mock-up. >> if i might approach for a moment, your honor? as an example, this is in evidence as state's 139. did you see something, a much smaller version of this? >> yes, sir, i did. >> on 140, another sort of similar mock-up of the same thing. have you seen that? >> yes, sir. >> when i say mock-up, i was speaking -- >> i apologize. >> my mistake, not yours. >> yes, i've seen those. >> did you also have an opportunity to review video and audio and written statements from mr. zimmerman? >> yes, i did. >> to your knowledge, i know you don't know what you don't know but did you get the entirety of the information that you requested? >> as far as i know, i got everything that i was looking

martin and realize my client never attempted to nor landed one blow upon mr. martin. all my client did was scream out for help. mr. good, though he was questioned a lot about this area, did finally, i think, opine, though he didn't see gaffs escaping from my client's mouth as he was the one screaming towards him that he said it was his thought, his common sense that it was in fact my client screaming out for help. and the reality is had it been mr. martin, who we now know and it's undisputed was on top screaming for help, well, he had his chance. he had mr. gerd 17 feet away is it asking him to stop, mr. martin telling him he was going to call 911 and continued to ignore him. they can't ignore that evidence to a jury and they really should not be able to ignore it to you on a judgment of acquittal, your honor. >>> respectfully mr. o'mara gets the arguments backwards for starters. because justifiable use of deadly force is a defense for which the defendant actually bears the initial burden, and i'm not arguing necessarily that he didn't meet it, but because it is a def

martin, not mr. zimmerman any longer. >> my objection -- my ruling remains sustained. >> yes, your honor. is there any evidence in the case that you've looked at that would suggest that even through the 45 seconds worth of screaming, that the attack stopped? >> judge, i'm going to object to that as calling for speculation. >> he asked him if he's aware of any evidence. i'll allow it. >> no. i saw nothing that would indicate that to me. >> thank you. nothing further, your honor. >> i thank you. may mr. root be excused? >> subject to recall, your honor. >> thank you very much, sir. >> may we approach on the issue of recall for a moment? >> we can address that later. but i will tell him he's subject to being recalled. then we'll address the issue about being recalled later. you're excused from the courtroom today, but you're subject to being recalled. please call your next witness. >> may i just have a moment? >> yes. >> let's go ahead and bring in cnn legal analyst sunny hostin, watching this trial in

. >> in this instance there were no plastic bags around mr. martin's hands. is that correct? >> yes. correct. >> you're familiar with the term. >> yes. >> it's a crime scene investigation-type technique where if there may be blood evidence or other kinds of evidence on the hands. >> yes. >> they can be put in a plastic bag and sealed. >> there is no plastic bag on the hand. there is just the body bag. >> yes. so what you are saying is trayvon martin's hands didn't have plastic bags that sometimes accompany a body from the scene of the incident to the medical examiner. >> you cannot use plastic bags on the hands. it is the standard -- it is the right practice that every time you should have used paper bag instead of plastic bag on the hand. on the body is a different story. >> let's talk about the hands just for a moment. >> okay. >> because i'm assuming that we saw a sequence here with the evidence photos of the way that mr. martin's body was presented to you and to your staff. >> yes. >> there were no paper bags on the hands. >> yes. >> which meant they were not put on the h

martin on top of him mr. martin was the aggressor and strikes were being rained down and he was physically incapable of responding, screaming for help. wanting somebody to help him out of a bad situation and maybe he was pushing. i wasn't there so i can't say what his hands were doing. if you're the aggressor in the fight how can you be the aggressor and not hurt somebody. in this situation if he's screaming there's an absence of injury he wasn't the one throwing strikes. desert you ♪ ♪ i'll stand by you yeaaaah! yeah. so that's our loyalty program. you're automatically enrolled, and the longer you stay, the more rewards you get. great! oh! ♪ i'll stand by you ♪ won't let nobody hurt you ♪ isn't there a simpler way to explain the loyalty program? yes. standing by you from day one. now, that's progressive. when she was only fifteen hours first open hold. surgery... handing her over for surgery is the hardest thing i've... ever had to do. before obamacare, insurance companies could put lifetime... cap

i don't feel as critical of them as mr. martin does. but i do think that they have -- they have an uphill battle for themselves. however, they have shown that in his inconsistencies, he has consistently shown the desire to paint himself in a better light. usually, when somebody gives inconsistent statements, and that's very common, by the way. if i recount to you something that happened yesterday, i'll make mistakes. i will say things a little differently now than i did maybe an hour ago or a day ago. but that's okay. i mean, those kinds of things are very -- can be very innocent, and simply a matter of interpretation. but with zimmerman, the inconsistencies are large, and they go to the heart of the matter, and they consistently show him trying to paint himself as the victim and trayvon martin as the aggressor. that is not the kind of inconsistency that can be deemed i think an innocent mistake. for example, not remembering the name of the street as an excuse to get out of his car. claiming at first that the dispatcher told him to get

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martin. you are very kind to come with mr. martin, the man who so ably represent him mr. benjamin crump. he worked -- we are pleased that you could be with us as well. the cochair of the caucus has arrived and i should ask him if he wants to give opening words at this event. >> thank you very much. the only thing that i really need to say is to thank first of all all of the members of the caucus and i want to thank you for being the inspiration and part of the reason that we have established this conference. i want to thank all of the members of the congressional black caucus and other members of congress who have joined in and in fact are attempting to have the caucus function in such a way that we end up with not only looking at problems but generating results. then i want to thank our esteemed group of panelists who have joined us particularly the two gentlemen that i have worked with for a number of years and a former member of this body, former chairman of this caucus actually the honorable kweisi mfume and of course my good friend from chicago. he has moved to a lot

. >> mr. o'mara, may mr. martin step down? >> certainly. >> you may step down. call your next witness, please >> we've just been listening to plaintive and painful testimony from tracy martin, the father of trayvon martin, speaking about those phone calls, the 911 calls, and i'm joined now by jonathan capehart of "the washington post" and lisa bloom, who is our msnbc expert. and jonathan actually asked you, lisa, just before mr. trayvon took the stand, whether mr. martin, sorry, took the stand, whether you thought it would be a good idea for the defense to call him. and your reaction was no. >> that's right. and that's still my answer. i agree with the answer they gave before. you know, i don't think that was particularly helpful, to the defense. you know, i think it's kind of overkill at this point. and this is a very, very sympathetic man. i think any of us can understand, if your son has been killed, unexpectedly, at a young age, and you're at the police station and you're answering questions, you're going to be beyond dazed and confused. >> absolutely. lisa,

martin was physically active and a capable person. mr. zimmerman is an individual who is by no stretch of the imagination an athlete and that his physical -- i believe it's my opinion that the physical abilities he would find himself lacking when compared to mr. martin. >> under cross-examination, he admitted that this is his first time testifying as an expert witness and that his consulting firm would benefit from the publicity from the trial. prosecutor john guy also asked him about the screams for help heard on the night of the shooting. >> if a person sees a firearm, would it be unusual for them to yell for help? >> if an average individual saw a gun that was pointed at them, i would say absolutely not. anybody looking down the barrel of a firearm, if you're able to vocalize something, would probably yell for help. >> this morning judge nelson issued two key rulings in the trial. she barred the defense from introducing as evidence this computer animation, which depicts george zimmerman's version of events the night trayvon martin was

mr. zimmerman's head having impacted a sidewalk? >> yes, sir. >> we're just checking to see if you'd care for some water? >> no. >> the punctate abrasion is that red stuff around the temple? >> right. it's not smooth. it's an area right here and then a little here and a little here and a little here and a little here. that sort of thing. >> there appears to be a noticeable lump or knot. does that appear to be a consequence of the impact. >> do you think it's associated with the impact that caused the punctate abrasions? >> yes, sir. >> could that then be, those injuries caused by one or more impacts with the sidewalk? >> yes, sir. >> let me show you state exhibit 70. the fist or the sidewalk? >> you could see there's a little adhesion over there. it's not a good photograph, unfortunately. again it's consistent with some impact. >> this is another of the same side. other side of the head on the left side in exhibit 73. it's consistent with blunt force trauma? >> again you see i would assum

you have to show specific intent that mr. zimmerman intended toe attackto mr. martin because of s race. >> that is the tricky thing, because race was essentially ese taken out. difficult perhaps are to some te

it's mr. martin's text messages about being in a fight. about the effects of that fight on him. that he got into a fight, that he lost the first round, won the second and third round. bloodied the guy's nose. wasn't done with him yet. a facebook post from mr. martin's half brother, dimitrius martin asking trayvon martin, when are you going to teach me me how to fight. >> right before court recessed, tensions got high inside the courtroom. the prosecution counters mr. west saying that there's no way to tell, and actually, the judge mentioned that there's no way to tell exactly when those text messages were sent or who may have sent them. who may have access to trayvon martin's cell phone. there's no evidence that it was trayvon martin himself, the judge said, sending those texts or pictures. the prosecution saying no evidence of exactly when those pictures of trayvon martin, when a picture of a gun was taken, exactly who was in the photograph. then the defense countered, saying that he was exhausted and he could not keep up this pace. earlier in these lengthy hearing in which the

. ~ area >> and mr. martin is here to speak. >> good afternoon, supervisors. mike martin, office of economic can work force development. the item before you is a piece of my office's work in coordinating approvals for the america's cup. as noted in the recitals, the host agreement calls for the city to pursue with relevant governmental authorities a number of different authorizations for things like, for example, the use of the course area. so, we work with the coast guard on that. also pursuing permits to use the various spectator venues along the waterfront. the agreement also calls for appropriate flight restrictions over the race area. as noted in the ordinance itself, we have been working with the federal aviation administration on whether a temporary flight restriction could be put in place that would sort of fully de-conflict the race course congestion as the race courses increase over the summer. thus far the federal agencies we've been working with have been cooperative, but they say that type of instrument is not available. in doing further research,

martin as there are mr. zimmerman. i don't know whether that's going to carry a date with the jury or not. i think they are more inclined to look at the injuries and determine whether or not the justified with a reasonable belief of fear of great bodily harm and then go from there. no one saw the first punch. no one knows how it started, as i understand it, even as of now and there was a fight and there are some witnesses saying one was on top and one -- and another was. all we know for a fact is this young man was killed, and that's tragic. >> cheney mason, as always, thank you very much indeed. >> you're welcome. >>> next, reasonable doubt, as the defense created in the minds of the jury whether zimmerman is found not guilty. i'll talk about it tonight in law and disorder. that's coming up next. [ kitchen counselor ] introducing cascade platinum. its triple cleaning formula delivers brilliant shine that finish gel can't beat. it even helps keep your dishwasher sparkling. new cascade platinum is cascade's best. it eve

martin at 7-eleven. 33 a picture of mr. martin's hand. 34 is second still of mr. martin at the 7-eleven. 35 an aerial view of the retreat at twin circle 36 is a larger aerial photograph of the entire area of that portion of sanford. 37 is a large aerial of retreat at twin lakes. and 38 is a medical pending investigation picture of the scene. if admitted then 39 would be the time line we talked about. two other loose enters ends. one we talked about the judicial notice of the weather. we came up for more accurate one for 26 and that will be substituted, that is close to me but not in my hands. >> with that stipulated for state's exhibit 213? so as soon as you get it. trish, will you allow that to be substituted for the one you have? >> next one would be the same exact exhibited for the 27th of february. >> a composite state's exhibit or do you want the other one? >> we planted them separate so we would not mess them up. >> we'll substitute 213 for the new one and make the second one for the february 27th, defense exhibit 40. >> thank you. >> and your honor, the onl

martin as there are mr. zimmerman. i don't know whether that's going to carry a date with the jury or not. i think they are more inclined to look at the injuries and determine whether or not the justified with a reasonable belief of fear of great bodily harm and then go from there. no one saw the first punch. no one knows how it started, as i understand it, even as of now and there was a fight and there are some witnesses saying one was on top and one -- and another was. all we know for a fact is this young man was killed, and that's tragic. >> cheney mason, as always, thank you very much indeed. >> you're welcome. >>> next, reasonable doubt, as the defense created in the minds of the jury whether zimmerman is found not guilty. i'll talk about it tonight in law and disorder. that's coming up next. ( bell rings ) they remind me so much of my grandkids. wish i saw mine more often, but they live so far away. i've been thinking about moving in with my daughter and her family. it's been pretty tough since jack passed away.

martin being over mr. zimmerman. >> and is it not also consistent with mr. martin pulling away from zimmerman on the ground and you would have the same angle, he's pulling away and zimmerman shooting him at that time? >> yes. >> jean, how big of a deal is it for prosecutors to get a defense witness to concede, especially a defense witness as experienced as di maio to concede that george zimmerman may have been on top when trayvon martin was shot or that trayvon martin was pulling away, trying to get away? it seems like basically the prosecutor got di maio to say that this theory might be consistent and this theory also might be consistent. >> right. it's a very big deal for the prosecutor to be able to get the defense expert to concede to a point. and also i think it allowed the jury and those of us sitting in the courtroom to listen to what the prosecution's theory is going to be. we now know that the prosecution's theory most likely is going to be that they both were standing and that george zimmerman pulled the gun and that trayvon martin with the ho hood

a facebook post from mr. martin's half brother, dimitrius martin asking trayvon martin, when are you going to teach me how to night >> right before court recessed, tensions got high inside the courtroom. the prosecution counters mr. west saying that there's no way to tell and actually the judge mentioned that there's no way to tell exactly when those text messages were sent or who may have sent them, who may have access to trayvon martin's cell phone. there's no evidence that it was trayvon martin himself, the judge said, sending those texts or pictures. the prosecution saying no evidence of exactly when those pictures of trayvon martin, when a picture of a gun was taken, exactly who was in the photograph. then the defense countered, saying that he was exhausted and he could not keep up this pace. earlier in these lengthy happens when the defense complained about the prosecution tactics, they fought about a computer animation of the struggle. the judge said she's going to weigh the arguments tonight, rule tom

what did mr. martin say in response to the question by mr. serino as to whether or not that was his son's voice? >> same objection, your honor. >> sustained. >> no further questions for this witness right now, your honor, though the state may have some. >> any cross? >> no questions. >> thank you. may officer singleton be excused? may officer singleton be excused? >> she may be recalled. >> you are subject to being recalled so please stay in the building. you are excused from the courtroom. call your next witness, please. >> as office ever singleton lea the stand, quick break. [ ding! ] that can only be ensure complete! [ female announcer ] the four-in-one nutrition of ensure complete. a simple choice to help you eat right. [ major nutrition ] nutrition in charge. [ villain ] well mr. baldwin... it appears our journey has come to a delightful end. then i better use the capital one purchase eraser to redeem my venture miles for this trip. purchase eraser? it's the easy way to erase any recent travel expense. i just pick a charge, like my fligh

i acknowledge, we all have acknowledged that mr. martin, trayvon martin, lost his life. it was not an act of murder. it was not an act of manslaughter. the jury has spoken. our judicial system has spoken. but that does not diminish the tragedy. >> now, that's robert zimmerman jr. he's going to be joining chris and i in a few minutes and we're going it talk about -- we've got a lot to talk about. we're going to talk about the trial, the verdict, and of course his brother's future from here onout. now, trayvon martin's parents, they were not in the courtroom when the verdict was announced, but they shared their thoughts on twitter. martin's father, tracy, tweeted this -- "even though i am brokenhearted, my faith is unshattered. i will always love my baby tray." now martin's mother, sybrina fulton, she tweeted this -- "lord, during my darkest hours i lean on you. you are all that i have at the end of the day. god is still in control. thank you all for your prayers," she went on to say, "and support. i will love you forever, trayvon. in the name of jesus." the martin family

not such marks on mr. martin. there is no witness that says that mr. martin was below. the evidence shows that mr. zimmerman was below and was the victim of the pummelling. >> one last word from valerie, if i can. the standard of proof is on the prosecution in this case. after the testimony of that one eyewitness last week, that is a very high bar to overcome at this point, in terms of reasonable doubt. what is the consensus among those in the courtroom? >> i think the consensus right now is the prosecutions have a lot of work to do ahead of them, also, going back to him, george zimmerman changing his story, he said in recordings, i have a bad memory and by the way, when he did say that, tracy martin, trayvon martin's father, shaking his head like that. but he said i do have a bad memory and some of the stories do keep on changing. >> we're looking at small details here and i think the big picture is an eyewitness, ground and pound, fists going down. that's hard to overcome. >> you have to look at it together. no witness corroborates that his head was pummeled into the

>> i'm saying that the physical evidence is consistent with mr. martin being over mr. zimmerman. >> and is it not also consistent with mr. martin pulling away from zimmerman on the ground and you would have the same angle, he's pulling away and zimmerman's shooting him at that time? >> yes. >> of course, the witness was also cross examined by the state, so it's not all rosie for the defense today with the witness. what's curious about this testimony, it wasn't his opinion, but rather he said it was consistent, the evidence was consistent with what was said by george zimmerman in the videos, he also said it was consistent with trayvon martin backing away. but your thought -- >> that's very interesting greta. many new york courts would not let us testify about consistent with, because consistent with could be 1% consistent or 99% consistent. it's like saying possibly. we can't give as experts possibly evidence. we have to say beyond -- usually our mantra is beyond a reasonable medical certainty which is above 51%. we believe it happened this way, more than 51%. in this i

physical evidence is consistent with mr. martin being over mr. zimmerman. >> is it not also consistent with mr. martin pulling away from... zimmerman on the ground, and you would have the same angle -- he's pulling away and zimmerman's shooting him at that time? >> yes. >> of course, the witness was also cross-examined by the state. so it's not all rosy the federal defense today. forensic pathologist, dr. michael badeb is here. >> good to see you. >> what is so curious about this testimony, is it wasn't his opinion, but rather he said that it was consistent with the evidence -- the evidence was consistent with what was said by george zimmerman in the video. but he also said it was consistent with trayvon martin backing away. your thought on the testimony? >> that's very interesting, greta. many new york courts would not let us testify about consistent with because consistent with could be 1% or 99% consistent. it's like saying possibly. we can't give, as experts, possibly evidence. we have to say -- usually our mantra is beyond a reasonable medic

martin. you are kind to come with mr. martin. the man who abledly representatives him. mr. benjamin crump. you are -- we are pleased you could be here as well. the co-chair of the caucus has arrived. i should ask him if he want to say an opening word at the event. >> thank you very much. the only thing i really need say is to thank, first of all, all of the members of the caucus. i want to thank you for being inspiration and part of the reason that we have established this caucus. i want to thank the member of the congressional black caucus and other members of congress who have joined and are in fact attempting to have the caucus function in such a way that we end up with not only looking at problems but generated results. i want to thank our esteemed group of panelists who have joined us. i think of two gentlemen i worked with on a number of years. a former member of the body. former chairman of the caucus, actually. i think he calls chicago home, that's dr. michael eric dyson who is also with us. i thank you mr. johns who has a tremendous responsibility of guide and init

martin being over mr. zimmerman. >> and is it not also consistent with mr. martin's pulling away from zimmerman on the ground, and you would have the same angle. he is pulling away, and zimmerman is shooting him at that time? >> yes. >> let me make sure, i understand what you're saying. that you can hit somebody and not leave any bruising on your knuckles, is that correct? >> that is correct, sir. >> in other words, george zimmerman could have hit trayvon martin and not leave any bruising on his knuckles. >> that is correct, sir. >> a photograph at the scene, i apologize, you have blood there. i put the hand over that, right? >> okay, yes. >> what do you expect my hand to have on it? >> blood. >> joining me now, msnbc legal analyst, lisa bloom, and a former homicide prosecutor. lisa bloom, the big testimony of the day, what is your overall assessment of how that went in? >> i think it went in very well for the defense because the prosecution didn't go for the jugular. >> what should they have gone for? >> he was not familiar with the hoodies, all the testimo