any more than i am and i'm not or mr. mukasey. by the way when mr. mukasey says that the russians now have access to what he has, i believe actually, what mr. snoant, edward snowden has told as of today, former senator gordon humphrey, he assured them that the people are wrong, he used to teach computer security to dia and he was confident that even our own nsa was not capable of getting the secrets. i think it's mistaken to say

any more than i am and i'm not or mr. mukasey. by the way when mr. mukasey says that the russians now have access to what he has, i believe actually, what mr. snoant, edward snowden has told as of today, former senator gordon humphrey, he assured them that the people are wrong, he used to teach computer security to dia and he was confident that even our own nsa was not capable of getting the secrets. i think it's mistaken to say that it was intentionally or inadvertently given that away. but in terms of the question of why we're spying on our friends i don't think we're spying on the chinese in order to find muslim terrorists may i suggest. i think that what has been revealed about the degree of listening in we're doing to the rest of the world is that that's hardly a major purpose in spying on france, or germany or elsewhere, any more than it is here. the benefit to the government, the executive branch, it's not a benefit to us as a public. a finding out, in the case of the chinese trade negotiations but any kind of negotiations they want, any kind

>>brown: let's let mr. mukasey respond. >> that is an hysterically inaccurately portrayal of what

>>brown: let's let mr. mukasey respond. >> that is an hysterically inaccurately portrayal of what is available to the government. what is available are two kinds of information. one is so-called metadata which is a pile of numbers, numbers called and times. they are not associated with particular people and the only purpose of having that is to have a database against which to check suspicious numbers from abroad that are documented to belong to suspected terrorists under the supervision of a court. and to query that database. that database consists of millions and millions of numbers, that's all. and it -- in 2012 it was queried 300 times by the 15 people who are authorized to query it. that is a microscopic amount of use. although an important amount of