steps for the irs. the problems with the 501c4 application process that were uncovered by the treasury inspector general for tax administration have created significant concerns for taxpayers, and it is incumbent upon us to take swift action to insure accountability, fix the problems that occurred and thoroughly examine other aspects of irs operations. over the past month, an ongoing review of the events described in the tigta report have shed light on the management issues that occurred within the irs and the causes of those failures. there was insufficient action by irs leaders to identify, prevent, address and disclose the problems that emerged with the review of applications for tax-exempt status. our report outlines management deficiencies and the steps that must be taken to correct them. importantly, the report does not provide a complete and final set of answers. instead, it offers an official set of conclusions and action steps along with an explanation of the additional reviews and investigatio

the irs. you come from the office of management and budget, and you have a great reputation. so you're a budget cruncher. >> be i am. >> how on earth do you think you have the moral authority to ask for this? why would we representing the taxpayers we represent give you all this extra money you are asking for if this is what the irs is doing with hard-earned taxpayer dollars? we're seeing just in two months waste, fraud, abuse and taxpayer targeting, and you're saying give us another billion dollars. why should we do that? >> congressman, you're asking very important questions, and i'd love the opportunity to address them. first, i agree the costs that you're referring to are excessive and in many cases inappropriate and should not have happened. the reports that are coming out that are identifying these are covering events that occurs two and three years ago. and my concern is great. but my concern would be even greater if i saw that those patterns of spending are continuing through today. in

cincinnati irs office. >> whether we like it or not, the irs audits people all the time. some is legitimate. i'm curious. what makes you think that your audit was unfair or was targeted because you're conservative? >> well, there's three things, greta. the first is the timeline. the audit of us as an existing organization closely parallels the audits of all the new conservative organizations applying for tax status for the first time. the second is that a new conservative organization, the hawaii tea party was specifically asked about their relationship to the leadership institute and to turn over the training materials that they received from us. the third is the nature of the questions that we received from the irs. so there's either amazing tell ep think occurring across the irs offices or something going on behind the scenes. >> what were the questions you thought were inappropriate or made you suspicious this was an an appropriate political targeting? >> there were a wide range of questions. they started with the applications for our summer internships and the physic

this is the irs. the bureaucrats are good at printing things out on paper, but it is a pathetic joke. i read it cover to cover. they emit problems and then say nobody is to blame. nobody is taking it seriously in the administration. >> i am going to warn you ahead of time. you will not like what i have to say about this. >> we like it when we don't like what you have to say. >> give me a little room. did you know i was down on the irs for this too? the more we learn about this, the more we are discovering there may have been good reason for targeting these groups. we are now seeing examples where these groups are calling for 401c4 and putting on their application that they had nothing to do with politics and mailing in the application on the same day. they up loaded commercials for the republican senator. >> they are allowed to do 40% of work on poll techs stuff. >> you are exactly right. >> if you can name one organization that lied on their tax form i am willing to hear it. >> you want to hear it? r

to the office of chief counsel at the irs. to mike emanuel in washington. all these pieces are coming together. i. >> carter hull, a 48 year veteran of the irs was a critical witness. he talk about how there had always been standard way of handling these cases at the irs, until there was that meeting with the irs general counsel. check out this exchange. >> i just think it's disgraceful that we're squandering this opportunity to get to the bottom of this because of partisan bickering. one group trying to blame the president. the other one trying to defend themselves that progressives were also being targeted. i think it's very unfortunate. i think the root of this matter is people who were critical of the way this government is being run were being targeted, regardless of what the source of their complaint was, they were being targeted as u.s. citizens by the irs. >> that was lawmaker talking about the partisan bickering going on at the hearing. he lectured both sides, saying it was important to get to the bottom of this. the

the irs hoped, we believe the irs hoped that this would make the scandal quickly does date -- could dissipate. it did not an impact today we are going to hear from one of those employees in cincinnati. our committee -- do we have also begun hearing from people they reported two works change information with in washington. sadly the white house press secretary continues the narrative characterizing it as inappropriate conduct by irs officials in cincinnati. today's hearing needs to dispel that so we can begin following the witnesses and following the testimony and following the truth wherever it leads. we are now convinced and we will hear testimony that as the inspector general found in his investigation/audit what began in cincinnati with one case of a tea party application soon was in fact in washington at levels well above line employees. they say that the assertions -- cincinnati was to blame were absurd and we will hear that today. more importantly, it is now understood that these files, these hundreds of files, or in many many hands most of whom, many of whom were not in cincinnati. as

a message, i think, for the irs and is a message for the irs, the state department, and for every part of governments, this committee over my short tenure as chairman has a consistent frustration. that is, messages are received that should allow people. often it is now within their lane, not their job, but it is still bothersome that every single american worker in the federal government doesn't say we have to get the truth out there. the world is seeing this crisis right now with a vague suggestion that somehow it is because nobody was listening. this committee is listening. we want to hear. every federal employee owes it to congress and the american taxpayer to be a whistle-blower. even if it is benign as an acting commissioner say we are not targeting in india, where in some way that there is a likelihood that they are targeting and that congress is not aware they have been misled. that was true for ten months. it was flipped -- true for a similar amount of time here. .. it's okay to be wrong as a whistleblower and it's really wrong to keep a secret you think his wrongdoing. lastly,

hull made clear is that -- >> top of the irs. >> top of the irs. these reviews, additional scrutiny only of these -- tea party and conservative groups was unprecedented. had was -- has been in the irs for decades and never seen anything like it. and it is coming from the chief counsel's office and so -- i think mr. wilkins is the next one to get under oath if he lawyers up and pleads the fifth as miss lerner did, perhaps others in that office can tell us what happened. there's also a lot of document requests from the hill that may shed light on it. >> the tea party group states -- they are still not getting fair treatment by the irs. even now. >> they haven't. let me just say one thing about those hearings this week which was that amazing thing was that democrats and the way they roughed up the witnesseses and roughed up the inspector general, you know, this was -- almost unprecedented. the democrats originally said we want to get to the bottom of this. it became very clear that they -- they treat this as a partisan witch-hunt beating up the inspec

this is the irs. the bureaucrats are good at printing things out on paper, but it is a pathetic joke. i read it cover to cover. they emit problems and then say nobody is to blame. nobody is taking it seriously in the administration. >> i am going to warn you ahead of time. you will notlike what i have to say about this. >> we like it when we don't like what you have to say. >> give me a little room. did you know i was down on the irs for this too? the more we learn about this, the more we are discovering there may have been good reason for targeting these groups. we are now seeing examples where these grps are calling for 401c4 and putting on their application that they had nothing to do with politics and mailing in the application on the same day. they up loaded commercials for the republican senator. >> they are allowed to do 40% work on poll techs stuff. >> you are exactly right. >> if you can name one organization that lied on their tax form i am willing to hear it. >> you wanto hear it? republica

the tax code when you get rid of the irs? every president has promised -- >> don't yell at me. i'm on your side. what do you make of that? >> if you really want to starve the base, you get rid of all the deductions and you -- >> then you do that and then the beast is gone. then you don't need the beast. >> then you dot need to legislate, get rid of it. i don't think that this cut will make all that much of a difference because the real issue here wit the targeting of conservatives, like -- until you do wholesale change on the people who work there, i don't know how cutting the budget by a quarter is going anything. >> it' a billion less than what the president wantsed, a total of four billion less than what the president wanted. the point is, when you start the beast when it's trying to raise money, it makes it worse. i understand where the administration is coming on that, but you have to be hard on it in some way, shape or form. it would b like an annual review, giving a pathetic worker a big raise chblt t. the worker doesn

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the president out in the open in 2010 called for investigations by the irs. a dozen democratic senators did the same thing. they didn't it secret. they wanted a persecuon and they got. it >> john, i tell you what is phony and dishonest is the attempt on the part of the administration and media bootleggers as painting it on both left and right. progressives targeted like the tea party. and the inspector generalaid we did not find evidence that criteria labelled progressives were used by the irs to select potential cases in the 2010 and 2012 time frame. the inspector general himself saying it was not. it is just conservatives they were targeting. >> oh president obama, wouldn't he love for us to forget it and move on? but the obnorthbounds and unaccountable federal agency unted the obama ground game and an- president obama ground game and he has to remember there is a lot of emotiontied up in every election and this is no different and the scandal is t going away. people want answers. >> rich, we saw the power of the tea party in the 2010 elecons. the presidt a

this is the irs. the bureaucrats are good at printing things out on paper, but it is a pathetic joke. i read it cover to cover. they emit problems and then say nobody is to blame. nobody is taking it seriously in the administration. >> i am going to warn you ahead of time. you will not ke what i have to say about this. >> we like it when we don't like what you have to say. >> give me a little room. did you know i was down on the irs for this too? the more we learn about this, the more we are discovering there may have been good reason for targeting these groups. we are now seeing examples where thes groups are calling for 401c4 and putting on their application that they had nothing to do with polics and mailing in the application on the same day. they up loaded commercials for the republican senator. >> they are allowed to do 40% of work on poll techs stuff. >> you are exactly right. >> if you can name one organization that lied on their tax form i am willing to hear it. >> you want to hear it? republ

the president out in the open in 2010 called for investigations by the irs. a dozen democratic senators did the same thing. they didn't do it secret. they wanted a persecution and they got. it >> john, i tell you what is phony and dishonest is the attempt on the part of the administration and media bootleggers as painting it on both left and right. progressives targeted like the tea party. and the inspector general said we did not find evidence that criteria labelled progressives were used by the irs to select potential cases in the 2010 and 2012 time frame. the inspector general himself saying it was not. it is just conservatives they were targeting. >> oh president obama, wouldn't he love for us to forget it and move on? but the obnorthbounds and unaccountable federal agency blunted the obama ground game and anti- president obama ground game and he has to remember there is a lot of emotion tied up in every election and this is no different and the scandal is not going away. people want answers. >> rich, we saw the power of the tea party in the 2010 election

the irs, and reviewed by the irs chief counsel. i would be glad to make sure this evidence from the ways and means committee is provided to the chairman and his staff and a would ask this be entered into the record. for the gentleman as long you don't want to call it evidence. we don't call press releases evidence. >> i'm not referring to this as evidence. it describes evidence and i'm happy to make sure that evidence is made available to you. >> we look forward to seeing that evidence that is not the provided at this time, but i think the gentleman and without objection and will be entered into the record. >> i thank the chairman and our witnesses and i'm sorry you have to be here today, but thank you for coming. >> we now go to the gentleman from florida. >> thank you, mr. chairman. first of all, just a comment observing this process today and through the past couple of months that we have been working on this irs thing, i am disappointed the ranking member and the other side of the aisle continuously try to close down this proce

for the irs than the taxpayers. they are members of a community where they are forced to relate to tax payers, given the economic conditions they are experiencing in their community. our employees are being centralized in large sites around the country. they have no idea what is going on in the rest of the country. a think that shows up in the way we deal with taxpayers on the phone. taxpayerstanding of -- the numbers show that the irs has had significant attrition. our staff has been reduced significantly. even as our workload -- you can have reductions in staff due to efficiency and productivity. our workload has grown enormously. the reason i make this point, and it may sound like something strange who is a tax payer advocate, but a point about this is if the irs has less resources to serve taxpayers, what is going to do is turn to more automation, less being available on the phone, court taxpayer service, and that is going to harm taxpayers. be anyone out there to pick up their phone. that is a bad thing and tha

of it, but right now i think the ire is pointed at the irs. how in the world are we going to let the irs in your health care records? >> if funding of obamacare is one of the issues, that necessarily brings into question the continued resolution and what to do come the end of september and early october? what are we -- if the republicans and the democrats fight over this, will that mean a government shutdown? because they're interrelated. >> what we're seeing is the president now concede the law is flawed. as i indicated before, last week, the republicans and the house joined by 35 democrats, one vote, 22 on the other, i believe, and said no to these man dates, no to these burdens on working people or employers. because the law is not ready, the law is flawed. the president has already admitted that. so i'm hopeful we can make some progress in a bipartisan way to say, hey, wait a minute, wait a minute. this law is not the way we want to go. >> is that fanciful, because i can't imagine we have enough democrats to get rid of it at this point. it

them through the irs. the president has expressed outrage at this within days and fired people. >> why aren't heads being fired? why aren't people being fired instead of moved around and promoted? >> thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. an active debate. >>> from american politics to british royalty. a live look now at buckingham palace on the left where we believe prince william, kate and the new baby, that's where they are now. the royal couple introduced the future king to the world not too long ago. and now the question everyone wants to know is, what's the little guy's name? we've been following the royal developments from outside of the hospital. go ahead, amy. >> reporter: we are going to have to wait a bit longer for that one. we've been referring to this week as the great kate wait and it did turn into the great kate camping trip. i just want to point out to you because you can see it in shots that there's a lot of dismantling of this camping area now going on. all of these barriers that we

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the tax code when you get rid of the irs? every president has promised - >> don't yell at me. i'm on your side. what do you make of that? >> if you really want to starve the base, you get rid of all the deductions and you - >> then you that and then the beast is gone. then you don't ned the beast. >> then you don't need to legislate, get rid of it. i don't think that this cut will make all that much of a difference because the real issue here with the targeting of conservatives, like -- until you do wholesale change on the people w work there, i don't know how cutting the budget by a quarter is going anything. >> it's a billion less than what the president wantsed, a total of four billion less than what the present wanted. the point is, when you start the beast when it's trying to raise money, it makes it worse. i understand where the administration is coming on that, but you have to be hard on it in some way, shape or form. it would be like an annual review, giving apathetic worker a big raise chblt t. the worker doesn't des

against the irs. as you may know, the federal tax agency admits it targeted some conservative organizations and individuals, delaying tax exempt status and auditing some people because of their political beliefs. that's a huge scandal, if true. and it is the fbi's job to see if anything criminal was going on. but two weeks ago, director robert mueller stunned the nation when he testified in front of the house committee. >> you can tell me some basics? can you tell me how many agents investigators you have assigned to the case? >> may be able to do that but i have to get back to you. >> you can tell me hot lead investigator? >> bill: flat out embarrassing. after hearing mr. mueller say that i said. this mueller doesn't know? are you kidding me? surely he knew he would be asked about the irs investigation in front of the judiciary committee. surely he knew that. if mueller doesn't know specifics about the irs investigation, it's because he doesn't want to know well, today there are charges my analysis i

general works for and with the irs and the irs gave us the same terms when we were looking for things. so to the extent, the odd thing is the irs suggested these terms is the right terms and so the inspector general was here yesterday, it would've been his employees that suggested this. >> but the presumption of of these theories has been that the president is trying to take down his political enemies. >> only on your side of dow. >> no comment happen. as mitch mcconnell put out. >> is not honest committee. >> there have been references made by any number of members. but i think that the point is that we don't want to see the irs targeting any group. is that correct? >> we saw the targeting based on keyword tea party. >> we saw them. they are targeting because they got an influx and as a result they were trying to find a way to streamline the profit and it turned out that it didn't hit a mine but taking more time. the question for us is whether or not these entities are exclusively for social welfare purposes, which they are not. it was the irs that made it primarily. now we are looki

the president out in the open in 2010 called for investigations by the irs. a dozen democraticsenators did the same thing. they didn't do it secret. they wanted a persecution and they got. it >> john, i tell you what is phony and dishonest is the attempt on the part of the administration and media bootleggers as painting it on both left and right. progressives targeted like the tea party. and the inspector general said we did not find evidence that criteria labelled progressives were used by the irs to select potential cases in the 2010 and 2012 time frame. the inspector general himself saying it was not. it is just conservativethey were targeting. >> oh president obama, wouldn't he love for us to forget it and move on? but the obnorthbounds and unaccountable federal agency blunted th obama ground game and anti- president obama ground game and he has to remember there is a lot of emotion tied up in everylection and this is no different and the scandal i not going away. people want answers. >> rich, we saw the power of the tea party in the 2010 elections. the

the tax code when you get rid of the irs? every president has promised -- >> don't yell at me. i'm on your side. what do you make of that? >> if you really want to starve the base, you get rid of all the deductions and you -- >> then you do that and then the beast is gone. then you don't need the beast. >> then you don't need to legislate, get rid of it. i don't think that this cut will make all that much of a difference because the real issue here with the targeting of conservatives, like -- until you do wholesale change on the people who work there, i don't know how cutting the budget by a quarter is going anything. >> it's a billion less than what the president wantsed, a total of four billion less than what the president wanted. the point is, when you start the beast when it's trying to raise money, it makes it worse. i understand where the administration is coming on that, but you have to be hard on it in some way, shape or form. it would be like an annual review, giving a pathetic worker a big raise chblt t. the worker

that's where the action is. >> you are right to be freaked out with the irs and what they are doing. look at the nsa lev ratirevelat. i don't think it is unimaginable that these things happen. it happened 30 years ago. but i think it is a situation where the rules are so unclear. that's where you get abuses of power is where brewercrats don't have clear rules to follow. it is such a mess right now over what happened kind of political money can be regulated. the supreme court's left it basically in shambles and very difficult to clarify. >> i hadn't considered it until relatively recently because i don't like this irs monkeying around in all this stuff. they may actually be trying to do their job. what the supreme court did when they gutted campaign finance reform is basically allow people to make charitable donations ostensibly not for political purposes but they're bending the rules. so somebody's going to say wait a minute, you can't give -- get charitable deductions for giving to political campaigns which is essentially what the supreme court has muddied the waters on. >> they are

we as a country in the irs so-called scandal? >> well, the administration has admitted mistakes but no one in the administration has said it was my mistake, bill. you go back to 2012. there was testimony from washington officials, the irs commissioner said washington knows about the targeting and there's no targeting. they know about the process of the irs so then the scandal breaks in may of this year and what happens, washington blames two rogue agents in cincinnati. well, those agents were on capitol hill last week and they said they were directed by people in washington including lois learner who is now on administrative leave as well as the irs chief council who is a political appointee. >> what's that guy's name? >> wilkins. >> so wilkins was appointed by president obama to oversee or report back the liaison role with him. tell me about wilkins. what are the allegations? what did he supposedly know was going on? >> well, both the irs officials in washington, especially lerner were directing them what to do and what to targe

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the reason that's important is because the irs chief counsel is one of only two positions in the irs that the presidents of the united states appoints. the chief counsel of the united states is one of two political ayointees at the irs. >> bill: and you respond how. >> i would say the woman you just showed liz hofacre it was a cincinnati initial directed this not somebody in washington and also another thing that happened today was that jay russell george, the investigator general said that he was quite disturbed that he was kept -- information kept from him by the irs about the targeting of progressive groups. we heard at the beginning this was just tea party. now we are hearing it was occupy. we are hearing words like israel and progressive were used and we also know that issa did not give full information. >> bill: are you saying that the first witness lied today she was under oath in front of congress. that's a crime. >> i'm not going to say a liar. it's been reported in the past that she said directed from cincinnati. >> bill: i'm going to throw that out what you just said becau

by the irs? >> there's been 2,000 of us that have mailed our sermons in, and we've only gotten responses back, thank you, we received your sermon, or something like that. there's some great sermons in the irs. somebody must be getting saved there. it's exciting with all the great sermons there. >> i don't think they're listening to them yet if they continue to attack nonprofit organizations and conservative groups. but there has not been, to my knowledge, any church that's ever actually lost its tax-exempt status over take ag stand, or has there? >> there's been one for effectively a day. their irs tax letter was taken from them, upstate new york, a very well-known case a number of years ago. here's the key again. the irs can revoke your letter. they cannot take your tax-exempt status. why is that? because the irs, lead attorneys tell us, they go to every corporation, and it's either a for profit or 501c category. there's 25 categories under 501c, unions, screen actors guild, nfl. there's lots of

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irs scandal because the irs touches almost everyone's lives. we almost all have some sort of yearly contact with the irs, and a lot of americans are scared of the irs. so to see blatant political abuse of the irs by the administration is something i think that's going to worry a lot of people and do things like damage the credibility of the irs, upcoming irs role in enforcing obama care, going to play a huge role in that. republicans have paid attention to benghazi. it is a life and death issue, and also after that attack, the administration kept up this claim that it wasn't a terrorist attack, it was some sort of spontaneous reaction to an anti-muslim video, which just kind of disappeared as the facts came out. so republicans are going to keep pressing these things. i think the white house probably still views the irs as the most serious one. >> so in terms of republicans pressing, i've had viewers ask me what does that tangibly mean. >> take benghazi, for example. what is astonishing about benghazi, it has been what, ten months now, and we ha

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the issue by groups that were unfairly treated by the irs, they have gotten letters from the irs, well, we will give your tax exempt status but you will have to live under different rules. i talked to lot of heads of tea party organizations, this is blatantly unfair. why are we being held to a stricter standard than liberal groups. that is what the heart of the scandal is all about. >> paul: what about the argument go that we are hearing from some democrats, liberal groups were also treated just like the tea party groups, were also singled out. does that have any factual basis? >> no, we haven't seen any factual basis yet. what you are hearing are claims that progressives were targeted equally. we haven't seen any of that. the harassment, none of that is copping out. russell george has said of the 2793 groups that were gleaned for additional political activity, there were six that had the word progressive in them. they are going to look into it. his office is going to look into that further. >> paul: russell george being the inspector general. >> july 29, investigators on the hill are

we, you mentioned irs too, rich. >> right. the irs -- bill: i don't know what the truth is here. i do know number about groups tar guested was like 292-8, conservatives to liberals, rich. >> yeah. overwhelmingly the tea party groups. now the democrats are doing all they can to muddy the waters and shame fully, are attacking the inspector general for having the temerity to bring this to light and write a report bit. i actually think the, darrell issa, the chairman. oversight committee is taking this on in a very deliberate way and steadily working his way up through the irs, from the bottom towards the top and has exploded what was the initial lie about this particular scandal it was centered in the cincinnati office and it was all lowdown bureaucrats no one cared about who were responsible. bill: maybe in the end it fleshes out, maybe it doesn't. alan, i think you would agree there are questions that still remain. regarding targetting of journalists talk to james rosen's parents if you don't think that is scandal. what do you think about that? >> i think there is issues like the

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good morning, doug. >> the irs investigation, one of the irs employees caught up in the blame game has called this nothing less than a nuclear strike. it became known conservatives and tea party organizations were given extra scrutiny in the 2012 election irs officials and even the white house blames it on lower level employees at the irs cincinnati office. one of the employees fired back. >> you and other people in the office say you are being unfairly blamed with this political activity going on in the washington office. >> i can't comment on others but personally i felt like they were planning this. >> a former irs employee said an obama appoint tee was blamed for the delay. the agency inspector general for not mentioning it early. >> a political appoint tee i expect this dispute. i don't know if i deserve it. i expect it. my career people neither deserve it nor should they have to expect it. >> that inspector general in turn blames the irs for not providing documents to that extent last week. until last week. this investigation is going to continue. >> doug luzader live in washingt

over the irs. senator hatch bravely ventured this statement to the hill. i would like to do away with the irs by having tax reform that doesn't require that. now, that, of course is the standard republican party line about tax reform that then eliminates the irs, which of course, adults like orrin hatch know will absolutely never happen. and adults like orrin hatch also know that when you want it to happen, it is a very easy way to be a player in washington. but senator hatch then said this about the 24% budget cut. he would be very concerned if that were the amount. that would be pretty steep under the circumstances because they do have a very tough job. and one of of the places where those irs agents do that very tough job is ogden, utah, where the irs is the biggest employer. orrin hatch, of course, is the senior citizen from utah. oh, utah, land of the greatest snow on earth. and tax returns. vo: traveling you definitely end up meeting a lot more people but a friend under water is something com

history because prior abuse by the irs has been a link to the elite. in this case, the most fearsome arm of government, the irs, is targeting sections of society because they happen to have a different point of view than the president and his administration. that is what makes this incredibly dangerous. if this had been a republican president, the press would be possible this every sing dale and we would be on the way to impeachment. >> neil: of you think -- it's like it's gone away. >> what we learned in the last two weeks is this goes right to the president's doorstep in the form of the irs chief counsel, who is one of only two people the president appointses himself. so we have the irs scandal going right there and the press -- >> neil: the phony issue. >> look, listening to jack lew, i'm old enough to remember nixons enemies. i've been in this movie before neil neil you deserve it. >> but lew is giving stonewalling a bad name. he has his crony. he sends over to the irs, right? she is a political hack. he sends outcropy appears over -- another crony