identity that the muslim brotherhood attempted to foist on them and the people perceive the muslim brotherhood as trying to take away the egyptian identity egypt is the center of the arab world the center of culture creativity innovation in the arab world the muslim brotherhood tried to take all that away the question is will they change from being in. hireling for the muslim brotherhood and be also for egypt if they don't do that i don't know how they're going to succeed in egypt i want to go to london i mean why would the muslim brotherhood want to participate in another election i mean they changed the rules in the middle of the game why would they want to participate. because there is you know here which is they feel now that they are have been brought to give to mishear off ruling egypt has been taken away from them and i do believe that the actions of the army which cannot be condoned that it's shooting right in the going to be that people peaceful protesters of basically playing into the hands of the muslim brotherhood it's true that the support for the muslim brotherhood that's emphati

identity that the muslim brotherhood attempted to foist on them and the people perceive the muslim brotherhood as trying to take away the egyptian identity egypt is the center of the arab world the center of culture creativity innovation in the arab world the muslim brotherhood tried to take all that away the question is will they change from being in. hireling for the muslim brotherhood and be also for egypt if they don't do that i don't know how they're going to six hundred in egypt i want to go to in london i mean why would the muslim brotherhood want to participate in another election i mean they changed the rules in the middle of the game why would they want to participate. because there is you know here which is they feel now that they are have been brought to give to mishear all of ruling egypt has been taken away from them and i do believe that the actions of the army which cannot be condoned that it's shooting right in the going to be that people peaceful protesters of basically playing into the hands of the muslim brotherhood it's true that the support for the muslim brotherhood emph

identity that the muslim brotherhood attempted to foist on them and the people perceive the muslim brotherhood as trying to take away the egyptian identity egypt is the center of the arab world the center of culture creativity innovation in the arab world the muslim brotherhood tried to take all that away the question is will they change from being in. hireling for the muslim brotherhood and be also for egypt if they don't do that i don't know how they're going to sixteen the engine want to go to london i mean why would the muslim brotherhood want to participate in another election i mean they changed the rules in the middle of the game why would they want to participate. because there is one thing which is they feel now that they all have been brought to give to mishear of ruling egypt has been taken away from them and i do believe that the actions of the army which cannot be condoned that it's shooting right in the going to be that people peaceful protesters of basically playing into the hands of the muslim brotherhood it's true that the support for the muslim brotherhood that's emphatic an

identity that the muslim brotherhood attempted to foist on them and the people perceive the muslim brotherhood as trying to take away the egyptian identity egypt is the center of the arab world the center of culture creativity innovation in the arab world the muslim brotherhood tried to take all that away the question is will they change from being in. hireling for the muslim brotherhood and be also for egypt if they don't do that i don't know how they're going to succeed in egypt i want to go to london i mean why would the muslim brotherhood want to participate in another election i mean they changed the rules in the middle of the game why would they want to participate. because there is you know here which is they feel now that they are have been robbed to give to mishear of ruling egypt has been taken away from them and i do believe that the actions of the army which cannot be condoned that it's shooting right in the going to be that people peaceful protesters of basically playing into the hands of the muslim brotherhood it's true that the support for the muslim brotherhood that's emphatic

muslim brotherhood the question though is where is this muslim brotherhood leader it is widely thought that he could be inside the rubber mosque now this is where hundreds of thousands of pro morsi muslim brotherhood supporters have been holding a vigil calling for morsy to be released from detention and the reinstated so the question needs to be answered as to how the police are actually going to enter this massive crowd and a wrist mohammed badie at the same time he has already been arrested before they were a number of arrest warrants issued earlier in the week we know from some sources that several high profile the muslim brotherhood leaders are currently in detention but all of this is being denied by the brotherhood itself it says that none of its leaders are in detention and it also says that these arrest warrants are merely an attempt by the army to try and break up this protest and other demonstrations that are calling for the ousted muslim brotherhood president mohamed morsi to be reinstated the concern however is that this is going to be two more provocation and it will ulti

what does the muslim brotherhood do now? >> well, we do what we do best, we stay on the streets and we stick to our principles. until the scene changes and if it doesn't, who knows? at the end of the day, we are committed. [ indiscernible ] people need to elect their leaders. they need to change the course of their country according to their will. [ indiscernible ] >> so as far as you see, you plan to continue to have demonstrations in the streets? you intend to have all your members out in the streets for as long as possible? >> for as long as feasible, yes. [ indiscernible ] it has to be through the democratically elected representatives of the people, not through self-appointed representatives. >> appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much. i want to go to ivan watson and ben wedeman, with christiane amanpour. ivan, what is the latest that you've been seeing? what's the latest there? >> anderson, this is the biggest party we've seen in tahrir square since 2011 when hosni mubarak was overthrown. helicopters circling

muslim brotherhood could take that thrown again. >> do don't forget the muslim brotherhood is the most organized opposition group in egypt. they have very good organization at the ground level. if it goes to an election, it is still possible the muslim brotherhood could win again. but it is also important to remember that president morsi, even though he was democratically elected last october, he took some very anti-democratic measures in november when he changed the judiciary. he inning chaed the constitution. he changed the constitution. he started to put into place things that were anti-democratic and islamist in nature. essentially what you are seeing right now is egyptian people saying that they do not want shaw reallah and they -- shari allah and they do not want the muslim brotherhood changing the constitution. if the muslim brotherhood wants a seat at the table and wants to be the president or part of the parliament, then they have to remain democratic and not try and force their own version of democracy, if you will, and shari allah down the people's throat. >> we are cycling

just what the muslim brotherhood will do next is the next question. it's the largest islamic organization. itis been part of the political seen for 80 years. the brotherhood was outlawed. december that year, the freedom and justice party emerged as the most potent force dominating parliamentary sources. morsi was egypt's first civilian president only to be accused of trying to impose the brotherhood's islamic views on society. a lot more on egypt. let's go back to becky who is standing by live in cairo this morning. becky? >> that's right. about 35 minutes past 10:00, local time here. so, we are about 13 or 14 hours after the military intervention announced on state television by the head of the military, the defense chief here. morsi held under house arrest. the military here in egypt is rounding up members of his party, the muslim brotherhood. let's bring back aaron snyder, a processor at texas a&m university. before we bring in erin, i want to get to ian lee outside the court where the transitional president has just been installed. that has happen

it's the muslim brotherhood that last lost? >> i think the most significant thing we've seen is that the first opposition leader to stand up and speak, the one hand picked opposition leader to speak after the general made the announcement was the head of the iaei. he is generally accepted as the most secretary cause lar and waern oriented leader. he is somebody who the west would be comfortable dealing with. and really if you you look at the root of the reason that these 30 million prus people are in the streets in egypt, it is not only about president morsi and the muslim brother hood, but it's about the economy. it's the economy, stupid. and that is the bottom line in egypt as it is in most countries. and the fact that the military chose to put mohammed out there to speak shows they want to get the economy on track. it's also very important to point out that the arm itself did not put a general in charge. so it's really arguable that this was a military coup. >> we've gotten word that there was some sort of warning for all no

the muslim brotherhood is outraged over this coup. i spoke earlier with a senior adviser to the group. >> i don't know how the rest of the world is watching this and letting it slip by. the voice of the people has been derailed by its own military -- that took up a political position to side with a certain faction and remove a democratically elected president in egypt. i can't believe in one year we managed to resurge back the military inside egypt. >> how do you think the muslim brotherhood supporters are going to react to what has happened? there have been calls for calm and there are those who have been speaking of taking somewhat darker action. >> no violent action at all. we're sticking to peaceful means and peaceful mechanisms. we're an organization committed to a peaceful nature and we are committed to non-violent roots of containing the mechanism of how this country is governing. we're not going to let this country die again into a administrative dictatorship. >> you have it there. speaking earlier saying that the brotherhood

the muslim brotherhood is the other side of the political divide. they held large protests and sit-ins but across the country, the egyptian military moved against the muslim brotherhood, arresting their supreme leader. they also issued warrants for a members of the muslim brotherhood. now mohammed more morsi who was joan of the, his-are unknown but believed to be under house arrest in could i row. dirk clashes between the muslim brotherhood and the military, 14 people were killed and hundreds more injured. this is a divided country, and the muslim brotherhood, threatening to carry on protests and strikes. tomorrow they're expected to turn out in the hundreds of thousands. the muslim brotherhood was stunned, now they're angry and they're mobilizing and promising not to give up the fight. they want to be back in power here. setting up a real political showdown. >> more now on egypt's transition to a new government. theodore is a senior analyst at the advisory and intelligence firm and lived in egypt for two years and has been following the situation t

for the lido of the muslim brotherhood his deputy and two of the party leaders some nine top muslim brotherhood officials there are currently investigations into some six hundred and fifty muslim brotherhood supporters now most of them have been released four hundred fifty of them that there are some two hundred that are still being held in custody and all of that is being perceived by the muslim brotherhood in the pro morsi supporters as a crackdown on the brotherhood and it's evoking a lot of anger. although the newly appointed prime minister said that he wants to bring in muslim brotherhood party members into the cabinet how the muslim brotherhood reacts to this sort of offer and. you know the muslim brotherhood has rejected this outright they say that the whole process is to try and form some kind of interim cabinet an interim government is ego and we hear the same kind of rhetoric coming from the muslim brotherhood that we've heard from the beginning and that is that they have nothing to do with the interim president and any kind of negotiations to try and push forward some kind of politic

line towards the muslim brotherhood. more than that, we have seen private channels demonize islamists, call them terrorists, and in a way, incite violence their own way, with no compassion for the dozens of deaths that took place on monday. there is a real polarization in the media. we hardly hear the voices of the pro-morsi can be silenced. we only have those that support the military, and it is a vicious dialogue capping right now over the airwaves. >> finally, and the al jazeera arabic reporter who was kicked out of the government news conference by other reporters who later applauded the spokesman -- we are going to play a clip. >> that is the sound and seen at a news conference whenever throw out the al jazeera arabic reporter. final comments? >> [inaudible] who forced out this al jazeera group out of the press conference by the army, chanting before the press conference began. these are a lot of so-called journalists who completely toe the government line, who report the likely with the military says. after the arm

in the arab world the muslim brotherhood tried to take all that away the question is will they change from being entirely for the muslim brotherhood and be also for egypt if they don't do that i don't know how they're going to succeed in egypt want to go to london i mean why would a spit in another election i mean they change the rules in the middle of the game why would they want to participate. because there is you know which is they feel now that they all have been. all ruling egypt you've got the actions of the army which gets about should i can the to the people peaceful protesters of basically playing into the hands of the muslim brotherhood it's true that the support for the muslim brotherhood emphatic an unequivocal backing they hot when they were elected had stumbled tod's waned away because people in egypt all moderates the north top people with the shifts they've seen in the muslim brotherhood that is moving from the moderate teachings of islam to what have you stephy in order to please but there is a glaring contradiction that while the americans are trying to say got the.

the muslim brotherhood is a terrorist organization. the issue right now and they want their money back. they have disbanded the constitution and the muslim brotherhood is being to push back. we have to remember that the muslim brotherhood is tied at the hip with iran. >> we have witnessed protesters denouncing the administration because it is backing morsi and the brotherhood. what role if any can the u.s. have to influence those in egypt particularly if they are unstable for some time. is this a time to consider holding back on military and financial aid as senator mccain is suggesting? >> this administration was in support of and the ambassador did make positive statements. they did make positive statements about the old regime a week ago and morsi. they were in support of it. they were hard to walk that back. we have to continue the 1.5 billion. we have to keep some level of influence. there is a great connection between the u.s. military and the egyptian military as corrupt as the military is. we have to keep our fingers in the pie

is propping up the muslim brotherhood. but last night's speech which antagonized many egyptians and apparently antagonized many in washington as well was very aggressive. president morsi, ex-president morsi, was banging his fist on the podium. he was waving his finger at the camera talking about violence, not talking about inclusion. talking about how he was the legitimate leader of this country and that no one should dare to challenge him. it seems at that stage washington may have had some private concerns or certainly stopped supporting him overtly. the result we're seeing right now. the question is s and what i'm mostly concerned about, are the radicals, the people who saw morsi's arrival to power as not just a democratic process but as the fulfillment of a religious dream, the people who saw the muslim brotherhood after decades in hiding, decades operating as a clandestine group. now once again forced into the shadows. how are they going to react? >> richard, while all eyes are on egypt around the region, what do you

the muslim brotherhood? >> it looks like it, it looks like it. this is interesting that somehow the military could pull off a coup and it would not be a could you, it would be a path to democracy. the militaries could things in if a military way. this is it. what we're witnessing today, it a very sad day for democratic change. think of whatever you think of the muslim brotherhood. the fact is this man mohamed morsi was elected by millions of people a year ago to the day and now you take him under protective custody. this reeks of the pass in the arab world. the first coup d'etat took place in syria. we thought we came to the end of the coup d'etats in libya. it seems it is not dead and remains the favorite instrument of political change. >> if there are free and fair elections in let say the next nine months to a year and let's say some of the supporters to what has happened over the last 24 hours in egypt, will president morsi, his political faction, will they be allowed to run in those elections? >> if the

it's the muslim brotherhood that last lost? >> i think the most significant thing we've seen is that the first opposition leader to stand up and speak, the one hand picked opposition leader to speak after the general made the announcement was the head of the iaei. he is generally accepted as the most secretary cause lar and waern oriented leader. he is somebody who the west would be comfortable dealing with. and really if you you look at the root of the reason that these 30 million prus people are in the streets in egypt, it is not only about president morsi and the muslim brother hood, but it's about the economy. it's the economy, stupid. and that is the bottom line in egypt as it is in most countries. and the fact that the military s they want to get ed out there the economy on track. it's also very important to point out that the arm itself did not put a general in charge. so it's really arguable that this was a military coup. >> we've gotten word that there was some sort of warning for all nonessential american personnel to

and most especially the muslim brotherhood. if these conditions are not met, then washington will have no alternative than to recognize the reality that this is not the restoration of democracy nor a path to moderation and inclusion. this is a pretty old-fashioned military coup and it should be treated as such. if you'd like to look at the 1997 essay "the rise of ill liberal democracy," it's up on our website, cnn.com/fareed. still holds up pretty well. anyway, let's get started. joining me now is my panel for this hour. richard haass and bret stephens are here in new york. gentlemen, i'll get to you in a moment, but let's begin the latest in cairo. cnn's ben wedeman, who has covered the arab spring right from the start is overlooking tahrir square. ben, give us the latest. how dangerous do things look over there? >> reporter: certainly, egypt at the moment is on a nice edge. we have large demonstrations planned in support of the military, in support of the toppling of mohamed morsi. in this part of town. in other parts of town

muslim brotherhood in the post morsi supporters as a crackdown on the brotherhood and it's evoking a lot of anger. all of the newly appointed prime minister so that he wants to bring in muslim brotherhood party members into the cabinet how the muslim brotherhood reacts to this sort of offer and. you know the muslim brotherhood has rejected this outright they say that the whole process is to try and form some kind of interim cabinet an interim government is illegal and we hear the same kind of rhetoric coming from the muslim brotherhood that we've heard from the beginning and that is that they'll have nothing to do with the months thirty interim president and any kind of negotiations to try and push forward some kind of political roadmap what we are hearing from and so is that he wants to within the next fifteen days amend the constitution he says there will be some kind of referendum to ratify it within the next four months they will be parliamentary elections at the beginning of next year and a presidential poll following that it's also important to note it's not only the muslim bro

from the muslim brotherhood and felt all along he was being run by the muslim brotherhood. here were against the muslim brotherhood. attacking the building that is isl of many symbols attacking the muslim brotherhood. there has been going on for a while. the office of the supreme leader of the organization with 70 branches around the world is a huge blow to the group. >> we know a crowd is building up behind you in tahrir square. let's listen in for a little while. across are growing more as the day wears on. are you able to tell us what they are chanting and demanding now? >> the number is slowly growing. the sun is very hot. there has been a continuous flow of people. certainly nothing compared to what happened yesterday. there is a call for another large protest tomorrow. ofwe know there is a lot agner. are you able to tell us what they are chanting? >> i cannot hear very well. in the last slogans were about ousting the president. this is the sector revolution. the people have already won. now they are saying "go!" sloganseen the same going back and forth throughout the

we want to know what the muslim brotherhood thinks of the situation. we think that their opinion should be considered and known to the egyptian people in regards to what's happened in the transition period. >> we did hear earlier from the opposition news that they will be trying to get these television stations up and running as quickly as possible. do you see this as a priority for the egyptians in >> absolutely. i think it is yet to be seen what the intentions of the muslim brotherhood are right now. we know that intentions and we media, but there might be dialogue and the military -- the muslim brotherhood to join the meeting they had with the opposition. so as an egyptian and a lot of people i know would like to hear what the muslim brotherhood have to say and also think it's not the role of the government to decide and judge media content. it has to be evaluated independently. to if it were to act, it has be decided by a judiciary. >> thank you very much for taking the time to join us on the phone to talk about one of the more worrying development

the muslim brotherhood, when i lived here i lived in a poor neighborhood, where the muslim brotherhood had a great deal of sway. it had the power of the mosques. whenever there was corruption in society, the muslim brotherhood could say, we don't act that way, that's not who we are, that's not what we believe in, and generally they were popular in a lot of poor cairo slums. when they came to power, as ashraf was describing they were terrible at governing. they didn't reach out to other people. they were bullies. they were intellectual and religious bullies. they allowed many extremist clerics to open television stations, filling the society here with some very radical messages. the sanai, usually a place filled with tourists, usually from italy, wear skimpy bathing suits and drink beer on the beach, when the muslim brotherhood came to power it became a wasteland where people were being kidnapped, soldiers being kidnapped, repeated attacks against israel, repeated attacks against pipelines. the israeli army built a fence to wall itself off from the sanai. so it was a pretty bad experien

in creating that deal to get muslim brotherhood in power there were actually the muslim brotherhood where their strongest allies during the transition period despite the military strength is quite ironic that now the muslim brotherhood are against the military despite the fact that they commended them so much and they've like complimented them on how great a job they were doing despite a lot of times that we've witnessed so so the people but the people right now they're so this and chatted with the muslim brotherhood so disenchanted that they're willing to accept anything but the muslim brotherhood which is a sign of how polarized things are at the moment and how bad the muslim brotherhood and morsi have made matters inside. as indeed unfortunately we're out of time a while while eskandar cairo based are less thank you for weighing in with your point of use or thank you all right well moving on coming up in the program the children caught in the crosshairs israel's military arms to the teeth and perfectly trained and it's assorting to using cold wanted posters to intimidate palestinian yo

muslim brotherhood in the pro morsi supporters as a crackdown on the brotherhood and it's evoking a lot of anger. all of the newly appointed prime minister so that he wants to bring in muslim brotherhood party members into the cabinet how might the muslim brotherhood react to this sort of offer and. you know the muslim brotherhood has rejected this outright they say that the whole process is to try and form some kind of interim cabinet and the interim government is eagle and we hear the same kind of rhetoric coming from the muslim brotherhood that we've heard from the beginning and that is that they'll have nothing to do with the interim president and any kind of negotiations to try and push forward some kind of political roadmap what we are hearing from and so is that he wants to within the next fifteen days amend the constitution he says there will be some kind of referendum to ratify it within the next four months they will be parliamentary elections at the beginning of next year and a presidential poll following that it's also important. it's not only the muslim brotherhood that

he criticizes the muslim brotherhood saying they let the economy deteriorate. >> they are not muslims or brothers, but now they are being called out. even simple people know the truth. they used to hand out sugar and oil to the poor to court votes, but once in power, everyone could see their exploited people. >> the village stree is dotted with shops but t only ones still open are those selling staples. the people here cannot afford more than that. the muslim brotherhood recruited many voters in places like this but now they have lost that support. she makes fruit foxes out of palm leaves. they don't have many good things to say about the brotherhood. >> every muslim knows what they're doing is not islam. it does not not mean insulting and attacking others. it is a belief inside of us. it is also not islam is to attack the army, not at a time when tngs really need to get better in e country. click s i sferi frothe stagnant economy. no one can afford the furniture anymore so they make the fruit rocks is instead and he struggles to sell those. many people here use to make a living from

he criticizes the muslim brotherhood saying they let the economy deteriorate. >> they are not muslims or brothers, but now they are being called out. even simple people know the truth. they used to hand out sugar and oil to the poor to court votes, but once in power, everyone could see their exploited people. >> the village street is dotted with shops but the only ones still open are those selling staples. the people here cannot afford more than that. the muslim brotherhood recruited many voters in places like this but now they have lost that support. she makes fruit foxes out of palm leaves. they don't have many good things to say about the brotherhood. >> every muslim knows what they're doing is not islam. it does not not mean insulting and attacking others. it is a belief inside of us. it is also not islam is to attack the army, not at a time when things really need to get better in the country. click she is suffering from the stagnant economy. no one can afford the furniture anymore so they make the fruit rocks is instead and he struggles to sell those. many people here use to mak

muslim brotherhood, the government run by the muslim brotherhood? >> well, as far as the opposition goes, i mean, really, it's a divided group, and now that the table is turned and the muslim brother hood has -- is going to be in the political wilderness, it's a whole different ball game, but it's something that the brotherhood is accustomed to existing in. you have to remember that for decades under first presidents, the brotherhood existed in the political wilderness in a secret world, and they developed all sorts of mechanisms to hide their activities from -- from not only the government but people in general so that put among many egyptians a deep concern about the must almost brotherhood and actions and intentions and really, we've gone full circle. we're back to where the muslim brotherhood members are being rounded up, arrested, put under house arrest. we really have come full circle, but this time around they tasted power. they have had for one year, one of their own as president of egypt and now back in the wilderness again. we'll see how t

members of the muslim brotherhood. the head of human rights watch here in egypt has expressed concern over this, that this isn't what a democratic transition should look like. also a lot of concern over the closure of tv stations that supported president morsi. >> so what you're seeing is a military and a transitional board, as it were, saying this is by no means a coup, this is intervention for the good of the country. but it's from those who support the muslim brotherhood, which is the party that backed the former president, they say this is a coup in everything but name. >> that's exactly right. by definition what we saw yesterday was a coup. but if you talk to the supporters, they say that this was a popular uprising and that the government -- or the army was facilitating the transition to a civilian leader, that they were just helping the will of the people and not staging a coup to gain power themselves. >> so the question is where is egypt headed next? and in the very short term we get the new president in place

the ballot box is the way the muslim brotherhood sees it. the revolutionary seated in a different way. if you continue to act in an authoritarian way, continue to allow the police to kill and torture with impunity and not hold them accountable and yet give them promotions, you know alienate completely all of the political opposition and use a very thin electoral mandate to push through a very divisive legislation, at some point in this revolutionary moment, do you lose that legitimacy? i think we saw increasing anger on the streets, increasing mass mobilization site, they did on june 30. it is important to keep these things in context when we have this kind of going back and forth is it a coup or not. technically, yes it is a coup. when you compare it to the ouster of mubarak in that context, i think the people need to ask morsi loses legitimacy? angered so many different sections of egyptian public life, that we saw a biggest uprising that we have seen possibly in egyptian history area did at is the question you have to ask here. going forw

muslim brotherhood, the government run by the muslim brotherhood? >> well, as far as the opposition goes, i mean, really, it's a divided group, and now that the table is turned and the muslim brother hood has -- is going to be in the political wilderness, it's a whole different ball game, but it's something that the brotherhood is accustomed to existing in. you have to remember that for decades under first presidents, the brotherhood existed in the political wilderness in a secret world, and they developed all sorts of mechanisms to hide their activities from -- from not only the government but people in general so that put among many egyptians a deep concern about the must almost brotherhood and actions and intentions and really, we've gone full circle. we're back to where the muslim brotherhood members are being rounded up, arrested, put under house arrest. we really have come full circle, but this time around they tasted power. they have had for one year, one of their own as president of egypt and now back in the wilderness again. we'll see how t

he criticizes the muslim brotherhood saying they let the economy deteriorate. >> they are not muslims or brothers, but now they are being called out. even simple people know the truth. they used to hand out sugar and oil to the poor to court votes, but once in power, everyone could see their exploited people. >> the village street is dotted with shops but the only ones still open are those selling staples. the people here cannot afford more than that. the muslim brotherhood recruited many voters in places like this but now they have lost that support. she makes fruit foxes out of palm leaves. they don't have many good things to say about the brotherhood. >> every muslim knows what they're doing is not islam. it does not not mean insulting and attacking others. it is a belief inside of us. it is also not islam is to attack the army, not at a time when things really need to get better in the country. click she is suffering from the stagnant economy. no one can afford the furniture anymore so they make the fruit rocks is instead and he struggles to sell those. many people here use to mak

for the muslim brotherhood? .> i think they are really now they are reeling from the shock of having lost power. they are reeling from having so many of their leaders imprisoned. and for many of their supporters being shot and killed by the military. they are in organization that is well-known for political discipline among organizational discipline. they will gather their forces and come up with some sort of a plan. the fear is that if the rank- and-file have concluded that democracy is not the way forward for them that they could then radicalized and go back to where they were 40 years ago. >> why is the interim government getting money from saudi arabia amongst others all of a sudden? >> that is an interesting question. saudi arabia and kuwait have promised a white large amounts of money. -- promised quite large amounts of money. both say that the muslim brotherhood have their own way overruling. they regard the muslim brotherhood as a dangerously moderate force. they are rewarding the military for getting th

outside the headquarters of the muslim brotherhood on oh sunday. these are rapid developments happening in cairo that will give human rights activists and dm si activists and people in the opposition a moment of pause and concern. some called it a crack down on the muslim brotherhood or islamists. that will set the tone as to what kind of government is taking place. will this be a return to authoritarian rule. will there be revenge or is it a matter of law and order that will be resolved in the coming days? because of the tension, the political uncertainty the supporters of the former president, supporterses of the muslim brotherhood feel they are being targeted by the police, by the judiciary and other law enforcement officials making the situation here tense. >> what do we know, if anything, about whether or not morsi will go the way of life of leisure, sheikh style or end up like mubarak, behind bars? >> reporter: there are those in the opposition -- and i mean the protesters and those organization who called on the judiciary to try president mo

the court was the muslim brotherhood's most obstructive enemy. last year, he scrapped a law which stop former members of the mubarak regime from standing elections. and putting an ally into the presidency might be the easy bit for the egyptian army. they have an even worse inheritance from the one that made president morsi's job so hard. egyptians are impatient for better lives. top priorities are keeping the peace and the economy. the generals and the new president need to come up with results quickly. a honeymoons here are short. >> many egyptians to support democracy will not call what has happened a military coup even though soldiers took power from elected president. they include egypt lost most internationally recognized leader. >> they know they have been called by the people to avert civil war. it is a painful measure. nobody wants it done. his owni undermined legitimacy by the client himself a few months ago as the pharaoh. this is not a democratic process. >> there is no point of having a election and if you want change, you go to the s

this white house supported the muslim brotherhood since they arrived on the scene. the muslim brotherhood has been waiting for this moment for over 80 years. they were not going to blow with. it is interesting to watch what is happening. they will not go quietly. that is why you are seeing an now al qaeda is stepping in to support the moslem brotherhood to say all kinds of hell will break loose unless the muslim brotherhood at least gets to take place in the unity government or gets power restored back. lou: what happened to garett day? prime minister one-minute then under consideration. >> nobody knows what is going on in egypt in the somebody says they really know i don't think they're being honest with what has transpired. a dangerous situation and obama is on the wrong side just as was said and monica is rates in the muslim brotherhood has been waiting for this for a long time. they will not go quietly into the night you did as a very dangerous situation. nobel peace prize winner barack obama should be able to handle less. >> remember the top leaders of the musl

they are very cynical in the leadership of the muslim brotherhood. they know people will be killed and wounded. they think it's to their advantage. to the extent the western press buys the argument that all of the bloodshed and all of the responsibility is the police and the military, the muslim brotherhood is winning again. >> what do we do about that? how do we achieve some sense of peace eventually there? is that possible at all? >> you know, egypt has been through this before. in 1981 the muslim brotherhood assassinated president anwr sadad. they killed him and almost killed his successor, hosni mubarak, because sadad has negotiated the camp david peace agreement with israel. when mubarak took over as sadad's successor, he repressed the muslim brotherhood. and it was bloody. so there are people in the egyptian military who know how this is the done and are probably quite prepared to go through it again. the fact is the brotherhood was engaged in a creeping coup. it was determined not to relinquish power. and that's why millions of other civilian

but the muslim brotherhood didn't like the military didn't like what the muslim brotherhood was doing. many of the brotherhood's supporters, their sons and cousins and family members were signing up for the military. the muslim brotherhood was trying to take over the rank and file. the replace many of the mid level commanders both in the earl and the interior ministry and the army felt if this continues in three years, the institution of the armed forces which is largely secular would be eroded. so i think both are somewhat true. there was a call that was responded to. and the muslim -- and the army saw the an opportunity to stop the muslim brotherhood before it got more deeply rooted in the society. >> richard engel proving why he is the best in the business. robin wright, thank you both. i want to bring in jonathan alter, author of a new book about president obama and his enemies looking at sort of his dealing with his adversaries here in the united states. but in the situation that we're facing now, looking at those pictures in tahrir square, how does the president navigate this ba

of course that is the elephant in the room the big danger now is the muslim brotherhood which are allied to laugh at organizations currently using all manner of tactics in syria whether that half of the population has those weapons within within egypt and they will really take on the army they've been through battles for decades fighting the egyptian army under the u.s. backed puppet of mubarak if those muslim brotherhood people really want to be militant and many of them have stories that really do spend decades of torture and imprisonment in a sense it's so many movements including movements like the mujahideen that went to afghanistan there are a powerful stories here powerful narratives for a half the country half the country of egypt if they start arming themselves and start to actually military attack militarily attack the egyptian the u.s. back to gyptian army yes of course there will be civil war in the streets of cairo and beyond and it will also affect every nation in the sense of that crucial waterway the suez canal i should protect you thank you very much indeed very very int

nor of the military not of the muslim brotherhood the problem is that the muslim brotherhood's came to power in egypt innocent power over their actions their actions towards the majority of the b. it will not appropriate in terms of concentrating power and eliminating basically all those who supported them so they lost the overwhelming majority of support of the egyptian people they really are now i'm a minority and they are acting that they will win their demands regarding this and i think that's a dangerous path and the government is taking also a dangerous pass. unfortunately every both sides think it's a zero sum game that they have to win the situation that would be a disastrous road for the country of egypt and will not be beneficial the reason is the muslim brotherhood's numbers are pretty large even though they are a minority it's very very large and they have support from the egyptian people even though the opposition and those supporters of of the secy go home an. overwhelming majority mrs so what mr schumer let me just jump in here they you spoke a little bit about this i

president obama viewed morsi and the muslim brotherhood as potential partners. was that until i shall and naive? >> i think it was. last night i was talking to british prime minister david cameron asking for his view of what's going on in cairo. he said they thought they should give the muslim brotherhood a chance because the majority of egyptians are moderate muslims. the muslim brotherhood should be given a chance. but they clearly have blown it. certainly in recent months with the introduction of sharia law, the repression of women. the way egypt was going it was not looking good. you might even say it was looking like a new iran in africa. from our own perspective in washington and london, this is not what we want, we want an

morsi's a member of the muslim brotherhood.

in the muslim brotherhood or. supporters it is very critical that each party does not demonize the other we can see a lot of use of the word predator isn't. about the people the change in discourse encourages in escalates and gives cover to violence against morsi. we are very alarmed and deeply concerned about that now also. there are some brotherhood leaders who are using the same rhetoric ok what needs to be done now all to see their leadership of the muslim brotherhood is using violence. what needs to be done to prevent those. first of all the muslim brotherhood must take. specific measures are announcing violence. that anyone who puts up arms they have to denounce they have to say that we are not going to use violence and they have to prove what we've seen in the xander saved. a lot of areas around egypt that they have used violence they have come. politically suicide in the past couple of days so they need to put down any arms they need to ensure the peacefulness of the demonstrations any egyptian in any give

this white house supported the muslim brotherhood since they arrived on the scene. the muslim brotherhood has been waiting for this moment for over 80 years. they were not going to blow with. it is interesting to watch what is happening. they will not go quietly. that is why you are seeing an now al qaeda is stepping in to support the moslem brotherhood to say all kinds of hell will break loose unless the muslim brotherhood at least gets to take place in the unity government or gets power restored back. lou: what happened to garett day? pre minister one-minute then under consideration. >> nobody knows what is going on in egypt in the sobody says they really know i don't think they're being honest with what has transpired. a dangerous situation and obama is on the wrong side just as was said and monica is rates in the muslim brotherhood has been waiting for this for a long time. they will not go quietly into the night you did as a very dangerous situation. nobel peace prize winner barack obama should be able to handle less. >> remember the top leaders of the muslim b

we learne the muslim brotherhood will be part of the interim vernment. where should the united states be? we have john mccain republican senator seemingly speaki for the party saying w should end a to egypt and the president says we shot. what is your judgment? >> it is a political choice that someone to do. unfortunately i don't think it is the right move to make because egypt is critical to believe better not, i keep the peace with a very important ally in israel. the issue is whether or not what you called in egypt a coup. i picked by all definitions it is because the military went in to take the lead errata office. both of us would call it a cut -- comedy to it because even if the president doesn't. he wants to continue to give aid to egypt and i do support him in at situation but time will tell. lou: our military this week begins a furlough of 650,000 defense department emploes taking 11 unpaid days inhe army will cut 12 combat brigades for congressman congressman, how can this be? >> we have fighter wings on the ground, ships staying in the port, a

muslim brotherhood the question though is where is this muslim brotherhood leader it is widely thought that he could be inside the rubble a mosque now this is where hundreds of thousands of pro morsy muslim brotherhood supporters have been holding a vigil calling for morsy to be released from detention and the reinstated so the question needs to be answered as to how the police are actually going to enter this massive crowd and a wrist mohamed badie the concern however is that this is going to be a big change and it will ultimately lead to more violence from both sides a week before the announcement has been made with great anger by the muslim brotherhood supporters what we have seen is both sides both being pro morsi the anti force and also the military itself being extremely hot headed and adamant that they're going to stick to their guns and make sure that they side of this whole uprising and this whole demonstration is made the there are many here in egypt that i speak to who are concerned that the longer this violence drags out the more likely it is that we could see this country