zbigniew brzezinski was president carter's national security adviser. richard haass was a top official in the national security council and at the state department under president bush. he is now president of the council on foreign relations. and bret stephens is the foreign affairs columnist for "wall street journal". zbigniew, we know that ann patterson, the u.s. ambassador, cautioned the military not to intervene in politics in the way that they did. are you surprised that they went ahead anyway, essentially defying the united states? >> i listened carefully to what you said, first of all, a few moments ago, and i agree with your analysis, but quite frankly, i don't agree with your prescriptions, and that's relevant to the question you have just posed. we have to face the fact that egypt is in the midst of a profound revolution that brings together three different historical experiences in egypt that are now coming to a head, a nationalist revolution against foreign domination, a social revolution against domestic inadequacies, a religious fanaticism

zbigniew brzezinski. dad, thanks for being on the set this morning. and in new york, we have "time" magazine managing editor rick stengel here to unveil the latest issue of "time" magazine, perfect for our panel on set in washington, with andrea mitchell, steve ratner and eugene robinson. rick, go ahead. what's on the cover? >> it's sort of witty treatment of what's happening in egypt, world's best protesters, world's worst democrats. it's a combination of stories by our middle east correspondent carl vick and fa reed za car ya about what really is the world historical events going on in egypt. egypt, of course, was the sort of the birth of the arab spring and what we've seen now is the overturning of the first democratic election in egyptian history. that goes basically back 6,000 years. the question is, the larger question is, when is it ac teptble to overturn the results of a democratic election. the people who have done it says when you have an authoritarian figure who's undermining democracy and there are those that say look, this is a return to

zbigniew brzezinski told me in the course of researching this he told me the president makes the key decision and after that it is the policy of the united states. >> suarez: the book is "the road to war." marvin kalb, great to see you. >> thank you sir. >> brown: again, the major developments of the day: president obama pledged to fight for the middle class with new investments in jobs and homeownership. the leader of egypt's military called for mass demonstrations to show he has popular support to confront ongoing violence. and a train derailment in northwestern spain killed at least 35 people near santiago de compostola. some 50 others were injured. >> woodruff: it's science wednesday online. kwame holman has the details. >> holman: a north carolina middle school teacher turns a wetland into a science classroom. watch the latest profile in our "super stem" teacher series. should america ease immigration rules for high-tech guest workers? or will that undercut u.s. wages? we present the case against the foreign workers today and the opposite view tomorrow on making sense. all that