>>> for most of my life libya was a word with bad associations. libya meant gadhafi. libya meant terrorism. >> pan am flight 103 went down in a blazing fireball. >> libya meant a bad place where a comical dictator was the absolute power. nobody in libya, however, was laughing. >> explosions. >> clashes. >> in 2011 what was previously unthinkable happened. the libyan people rose up and fought for their freedom. >> heavy battles raging around the libyan capital. >> they fought like hell. >> the rebels are about to force gadhafi's complete departure. >> they recorded the whole thing on their cell phone ♪ >>> amazing. arriving here after all you see on tv these days that libya is in fact functioning at all. but it is. the fountains across from the cornish are operating. traffic works -- kind of. at the radisson club sandwiches arrive on time in the lobby. the occasional flash of camo and a security scanner are the only discordant notes. you don't want to take -- >> okay. then don't. >> inside the old part of the city, men slaughter a camel while a girl records it with h

ini have done 50 workshops libya. whenever i started the workshop, i tell people my organization is funded by the national endowment by the democracy. it is an american organization. if you do not feel comfortable, you can leave. and none will leave. 1800 people have dissipated. this aside, the civil society legislation, there are many drafts. we have studied them. the edit nations program is working. we are working on creating the best modal for legislation we can present to the gnc. we engage this together. i think we are hopeful that process will bring about the best minds contributing. as for in general, in the mainstream, there isn't much in the culture. in libya, we see -- there is no phobia against the other. there are some elements that want it. the general culture, the transparency is important. nopeople feel there is cheating. they are very transparent attitudes. >> i would just echo what you said. often, what we're finding is organizations are open to any kind of exchanges where there are cautionary but not

a small minority there in libya. the election is a positive sign libya does recognize it has qual rights. he passing of the over delayed electoral law for the community. it went through a lot of hardships and ups and downs. and then it was done, not many people were happy with it but the passing of it was itself a landmark. we would see the results of it. now we would be working on the election of the committee of he constitution, but it is a major point in the history of the rebuilding of libya. the recognition of the culture and languages, the forum weeks ago, it really gave people some of their god-given rights. that is something we cherish and appreciate. we come to the turmoil within the gnc, two major political blocks. the coalition of the national forces, the party for justice, linked to the muslim brotherhood. both of them did make very strong statements. they released their members of the gnc. that they would be acting as individuals and they would not receive any orders. hat we have from the gnc, only small

spoke to a deputy from libya's parliament who told us matches are does bad as they see. i cannot ignore the dream have some some complications some mistakes have been done during the arts or that inclusion during the war but now we have improving dramatically we have a security committee voted in guys we have a suspicion specialized committee in the gene see where it is dealing with a human rights watch but it's been two years since the fall of the previous regime and even though you say that the situation is improving why there's so no safe sense debilitatingly this seems to security and stability was was available since this same city and if. you can get it in any of. our brabant certainly when when we were after the liberation of the country we have a lack of bar on the ground in certain areas these are crimes of criminals or the be from outside grab some heat of a very unstable country. record flood levels in russia's fi east forcing more people to leave everything they have behind now as the authorities try to find ways of helping the devastated region survive the u

so with us for a look at post revolution libya that's coming up pasta the break. world. knology innovation all the developments from around russia we've got the future covered. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture. choose your language. we can we know if you're going to say still some. choose to use the consensus you can. choose the opinions that you think great to. choose the stories that impact the life choose the access to often. ok. dave across it while going to ted you're all of virginia at a little while in the middle of the chesapeake bay on the virginia shaad. county. a ramp a year all in the chesapeake bay probably one of the best there isn't going to solve fred. this is all picture of ten year iowa before the channel was cut oh here. a way up there. as go all. right here are some of the headstones from graves it for you this is a fruit that

workshops ine 50 libya. whenever i started the workshop, i tell people my organization is funded by the national endowment by the democracy. it is an american organization. if you do not feel comfortable, you can leave. and none will leave. have dissipated. this aside, the civil society legislation, there are many drafts. we have studied them. the edit nations program is working. we are working on creating the best modal for legislation we .an present to the gnc we engage this together. i think we are hopeful that that process will bring about the .est minds contributing as for in general, in the innstream, there isn't much the culture. -- there is noe phobia against the other. there are some elements that want it. culture, the transparency is important. so people feel there is no cheating. they are very transparent attitudes. >> i would just echo what you said. often, what we're finding is organizations are open to any kind of exchanges where there are cautionary but not direct handover of funds. not wantin

to a deputy from libya's parliament who told us that much is aren't as bad as they see . i cannot ignore the dream have some some complications some mistakes have been done during the arts or that inclusion unit a war but now we have improving dramatically we have a security committee but being guys we have a suspicion a specialized committee in the gene sea where it is dealing with a human rights watch but it's been two years says the fall of the previous regime and even though you say that the situation is improving why there's so no safe sense debilitatingly this seems to security and stability was was a grain of soon since sensitivity and if. i want to grab them started really when we were after the liberation of the country we have a bar on the ground in certain areas these are crimes of criminals or the from outside who have some people very unstable country. now for some international news in brief in china bolshie lying form a powerful government official as alive for his fifth day in court with you to make his closing statements denies the charges of corruption a

. >>> for most of my life libya was a word with bad associations. libya meant gadhafi. libya meant terrorism. >> pan am flight 103 went down in a blazing fireball. >> libya meant a bad place where a comical, megalomaniacal dictator was the absolute power. nobody in libya, however, was laughing. >> reports of explosions. >> clashes between rioters and security forces. >> in 2011, what was previously unthinkable happened. the libyan people rose up and fought for their freedom. >> heavy battles raging around the libyan capital. >> they fought like hell. >> the rebels are about to force gadhafi's complete departure. >> they recorded the whole thing on their cell phones. >> libya! ♪ i took a walk in this beautiful world ♪ ♪ felt the cool rain on my shoulder ♪ ♪ felt something good in this beautiful world ♪ ♪ i felt the rain getting colder ♪ ♪ sha-la-la-la ♪ sha-la-la-la ♪ sha-la-la-la ♪ sha-la-la-la-la ♪ >>> it's amazing arriving here after all you see on tv these days that libya is, in fact, functioning at all. but it is. the fountains across from

rebuilding of libya. the recognition of the culture and languages, the forum weeks ago, it really gave people some of their god-given rights. that is something we cherish and appreciate. we come to the turmoil within the gnc, two major political blocks. the coalition of the national forces, the party for justice, linked to the muslim brotherhood. both of them did make very strong statements. that they would be acting as individuals and they would not receive any orders. what we have from the gnc, only small parties, or other small parties with one or two members. the major two blocks made a drastic decision was made that they are all independent members and do not have any political allegiance, or any linkage with them and their party. the cleaning up of the gnc has not started yet, because of the law. that is something we are still waiting the committee to implement. it has just started working. we would have to see what would be the result of the government of members who would be considered to be not a

as libya marks two years since the fall of gadhafi we report on how the government is reverting to the colonel's savage methods to crush the scent of the country's lies into economic turmoil. has just gone past ten am here in the russian capital you're live with us on r.t. with tell them what say. now there is the president has responded furiously to allegations that his army was behind a chemical massacre outside damascus last week branding them nonsense u.n. inspectors will be heading to the site today to probe the attack but some foreign powers seem reluctant to wait for their findings the united states with says it is confident that bashar assad who was responsible for the deadly attack is moving its warships closer to the syrian border and the u.k. says its royal navy is now making preparations for a possible strike but other jumping the gun artie's very a phenomenal went to find out united nations experts are in syria to investigate whether chemical weapons were used during the ongoing conflict finally but. a senior u.s. administration official has said there is very little doubt

and from triumph to despair we'll look at how libya has risen directed the same control methods used by the toppled regime as a country was dragged back into chaos two years after the revolution. well this is r.t. coming to you live from the russian capital on marina joshie welcome to the program well russia says foreign intervention in syria would be a mistake that would further destabilize a country and the region and a news conference in light of the u.s. and its allies considering military action foreign minister sergei lavrov said there was no proof of regime used chemical weapons largely as a shawn thomas has been following the briefing and joins us now live sean talk us through the key points that sergey lavrov made what exactly do you say well certainly marina sergey lavrov spoke very seriously about the situation he had knowledge. that there is a growing hysteria and a build up of military presence presence regarding the situation in syria he questioned the west's inconsistency about evidence and the chain of custody with unconvincing arguments he also said that he questione

as libya marks two years since the fall of gadhafi we report on how the government is resorting to the colonel's savage methods to crush the sand while the country slides into canonic turmoil. as to pm in the russian capital you're watching r t m marina joshie welcome to the program the authority of the united nations appears to be facing a serious challenge with countries including britain and turkey saying they're ready to join a military intervention in syria even without u.n. approval u.s. warships are already converging around the war torn state after washington officials accuse the syrian government of unleashing deadly chemicals against its own people last week you want investigators meanwhile have traveled to the site of the alleged attack outside damascus on a fact finding mission the syrian government has given the go ahead for the probe by the u.s. and it's now i seem reluctant to wait for their findings are just maria's and takes a look at the reality behind the rhetoric. united nations experts are in syria to investigate whether chemical weapons were used during the ongoin

i'm from triumph to despair we look at how libya is resurrected the same control methods used by the toppled regime as the country dragged back into chaos two years after the revolution. just joined us here is kevin owen here at r.t. h.q. tonight the time now just stuff to eight pm moscow time first and russia's foreign intervention in syria would be a mistake that would further destabilize the country and the region in a news conference in light of the u.s. and its allies considering military action foreign minister sergei lavrov said there's no proof that the assad regime used chemical weapons he's shown thomas has been following that briefing. sergey lavrov was very direct in his press conference outlining key concerns about the rhetoric that the west is using in fact he says that they say that they are sure that chemical weapons have been used by the assad regime but they have not yet presented convincing evidence to support that it was assad's regime that used the chemical weapons but they keep saying that they crossed this red line the famous red line and it's quite clear that

we need to continue to work, we forgot about libya. we should not have forgotten about libya. we should focus every single day about libya. what is going on in afghanistan and pakistan are more important. we have a tendency to want the afghan government to look like switzerland. we need to focus on how to help them to stabilize their country. if afghanistan looks like bangladesh in the next 10-20 years, it will already be a success. let's try to help them help themselves. >> i don't think we have solved the world's crisis, but we have had some lively opinions. we have crashed through a number of issues regarding al qaeda and the united states. i would just like to thank all our guests for joining us this evening. miriam, thank you for joining us. we had olivia, thank you for your opinions. a pleasure having you. and scott bates joining us from hartford, connecticut by skype at the center for national policy. thank you. >> thank you for watching and responding. stay with us. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- hello, and welcome to nhk "newsline."

control it by force the situation of these devout divide the countries libya post gadhafi is far from the haiti days of that with illusionary euphoria human rights watch says a wave of assassinations has killed dozens of politicians activist judges and members of security agencies all we hear is very. very troublesome because we hear about clandestine detention centers. detention centers that are run by militias that are not accountable to anybody these armed militias reportedly have more power than the government turning the country into a new hub for islamic extremism over the past few weeks we knew kind of cans have allegedly opened in the south libya is becoming the main base for all kind of in the maghreb we also know that as a direct result of the libyan intervention that the civilian government and bomb a ko mali was overthrown in the north of the country and certain islamicist took over creating a humanitarian disaster leaving tens of thousands of internally displaced persons not to mention tens of thousands of refugees fleeing into mauritania linked to burkina faso basically

up to the week nearly lost in the last week or to be really close to that corporate used to the big libya's oil industry the country's lifeline is in danger of destruction as ports god strikes continue to disrupt the country's exports with an estimated loss of one point six billion dollars the losses the ports has been caused by competition between members of the new day placed petroleum facilities god made up of x. militia members fighting amongst themselves the selling of the country's oil for personal gain of the country is reliant on or like sports accounting for ninety five percent of all output produces shipments have been cut to their lowest level since the civil war twenty eleven with some estimating just three hundred thousand barrels a day are being shipped out of the country now so for more insight into the libyan oil industry and the economy as a whole and joined by stewart and it from plants what challenges faced in libya right now both oil industry and their economy. well i think it's fair to say that libya's oil sector at the moment is in a total state of chaos remember three

spoke to a deputy from libya's parliament who told us metals aren't as bad as they seem. i cannot ignore the dream have some some complications some mistakes have been done during the arts are going to do shit you need a war right now we had improving dramatically we have a security committee but being guys we have very suspicious specialized committee in the genes he reads the evening with a human rights watch but it's been two years since the full of the previous regime and even though you say that the situation is improving why there's so no safety and stability in leaving these safety security and stability was was a grain of sense is sensitivity and if we're going in the mood to get a. lot of problems started when really we were after the liberation of the company we have a natural blowout on the ground in certain areas is a crime sort of criminal it's more of the base from both sides rub some heat of a very unstable country. back to america's war on whistleblowers say it's a merger of the us a put a strong pressure on cuba not to allow it was voted in and then they

and triumph to despair we look at how libya is resurrected the same control methods used by the toppled regime as the country's dragged back into chaos two years after the revolution. we're going to refuse joins us this is our to international it's kevin with you this hour and first in russia says foreign intervention in syria would be a mistake that would further destabilize the country and the region in a news conference in light of the u.s. and its allies considering military action foreign minister sergei lavrov says there's no proof that the assad regime used chemical weapons. she heard from our correspondent sean thomas a little earlier about the briefing. sergey lavrov was very direct in his press conference outlining key concerns about the rhetoric that the west is using in fact he says that they say that they are sure that chemical weapons have been used by the assad regime but they have not yet presented convincing evidence to support that it was assad's regime that used the chemical weapons but they keep saying that they crossed this red line the famous red line and it's quit

platts says libya months two years since the fall of gadhafi we report on how the government is a reversion to the colonel savage method is to crush dissent while the countrysides in chief in economic turmoil. live from moscow this is our cio it's me tom would say it's good to have you company with us the soft and let's take a look at the bulletin by the authority of the united nations appears to be facing a serious challenge from britain and turkey which say they are ready to join a potential military intervention in syria even without u.n. approval u.s. or ships already converging around the war torn state while syria's president says there are absolutely no grounds for action against his country joining me live and now it is our cheese or sean thomas xan it looks like the syrian war could soon turn phase the sort of libya style invasion or what's the president saying on this matter well not necessarily a little libya style invasion as of yet but if the president bashar al assad enters into. view directly refuted international claims of allegedly chemical weapons use in his country and hi

and from trying to despair we'll look at how libya has resurrected the same control methods used by the toppled regime as a country is dragged back into chaos two years after the revolution. this is actually coming to life in russian capital i'm marina josh and welcome to the program now the russian russia says foreign intervention in syria would be a mistake that would further destabilize the country and the region at a news conference in light of the us and its allies considering military reaction foreign minister sergei lavrov said there is no proof that the us and regime used chemical weapons are thomas has been following the briefing. sergey lavrov was very direct in his press conference outlining key concerns about the rhetoric that the west is using in fact he says that they say that they are sure that chemical weapons have been used by the assad regime but they have not yet presented convincing evidence to support that it was assad's regime that used the chemical weapons but they keep saying that they crossed this red line the famous red line they also say it is a mistake for th

libya's oil industry the country's lifeline is in danger of destruction as ports god strikes continue to disrupt the country's exports with an estimated loss of one point six billion dollars on losses at the ports has been caused by competition between members of the new day placed petroleum facilities gods made up of ex militia members fighting amongst themselves over the selling of the country's oil for personal gain and the country is reliant on or like schools accounting for ninety five percent of all outputs the producers shipments have been cut to their lowest level since the civil war twenty eleven was some estimating just three hundred thousand barrels a day are being shipped out of the country now so for more insight into the libyan oil industry and the economy as a whole i'm joined by stuart and it from plants want to challenge is faced in libya right now both that oil industry and their economy it's fair to say that libya's oil sector at the moment is in a total state of chaos remember three of the main export terminals for oil are now shut have been for three four weeks an

libya isn't that strong. it's weak. so, it is a situation where if the efforts are being given to the society to support the technical sides, libya could be a model of the new world that is being created. security why is, libya is the security of the gate to europe, and europe is considered one of the major gates of security. so it should be considered the place to invest heavily. thank god it is and investing in money because they have better sources. the technology, the knowledge, the know-how is needed there from the civil society to the running of the security to the running of the government and the department. so it is needed, and i think that there should be a strategic decision to help libya get through the mess it is in today. >> i would like to thank you for some very insightful remarks on how the international community can engage. please join me in thanking all three of our panelists. [applause] >> [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudi

that the first is to take it easy on libya. -- considering the history of libya and the circumstances, i really do think that they are holding it together quite swell. out andthat news comes expected. limited education on how democracy works and and on empowered people. they're waiting for people to come in. people to build the country and create change. we are in the process of empowering them and creating institutions. creating armies. creating a police force. great health care system. create in you and education system. , from the left, we look at progress on a four-year term. on myable to put this resume or not? >> you start us off. >> thank you for being here this morning. i will put you on the spot right away. we talk a lot about complexity. beyondwing need to look the authorities in jurisdictions and abilities of one particular agency to solve complex problems and the need to network and collaborate. you guys produce the incurable data that led us to some of these conclusions. can you make general comments about the state of the world government is operating in? >> there are at

libya's oil industry the country's lifeline is in danger of destruction as poor as god strikes continue to disrupt the country's exports with an estimated loss of one point six billion dollars a lawlessness at the ports has been caused by competition between members of the new day placed petroleum facilities gas made up of ex militia members fighting amongst themselves over the selling of the country's oil for personal gain of a country is reliant on or like sports accounting for ninety five percent of all output produces shipments have been cut to their lowest level since the civil war of twenty eleven with some estimating just three hundred thousand barrels a day are being shipped out of the country now so for more insight into the libyan oil industry and the economy as a whole i'm joined by stewart and it from platts want challenges faced in libya right now both that oil industry and their economy to say that libya's oil sector at the moment is in a total state of chaos remember three of the main export terminals for oil are now shut have been for three four weeks and that's cutting

and from crime to despair we look at how libya is resurrected the same control methods used by the toppled regime as the country's dragged back into chaos two years after the revolution. even for me kevin owen if you just joined us this is art international our top story russia says foreign intervention in syria would be a mistake that would further destabilize the country in the region minute news conference in light of the u.s. and its allies considering military action. says there's no proof that the assad regime used chemical weapons. from our correspondent sean thomas about the briefing . sergey lavrov was very direct in his press conference outlining key concerns about the rhetoric that the west is using in fact he says that they say that they are sure that chemical weapons have been used by the assad regime but they have not yet presented convincing evidence to support that it was assad's regime that used the chemical weapons but they keep saying that they crossed this red line the famous red line and it's quite clear that the syrian government had neither political nor military rea

a small minority there in libya. the election is a positive sign libya does recognize it has qual rights. the passing of the over delayed for the community, it went through a lot of hardships and ups and downs. and then it was done, not many people were happy with it but it was it self a landmark. we would see the results of t. now we would be working on the election of the committee of the constitution, but it is a major point in the history of the building of libya. the recognition of the culture and languages, the forum weeks go, it really gave people some of their god given rights. that is something we cherish and appreciate. we come in the aegean sea, two major political blocs. the coalition of the national forces, the party for justice, linked to the muslim brotherhood. both of them did make very strong statements. that they would be acting as individuals and they would not receive any orders. what we have from the aegean sea, only small parties, or other small parties with one or two members. the drastic decis

for three four weeks and that's cutting off libya's economic lifeline its oil exports exports down by more than half now with those terminal shut and there doesn't seem to be any any letup to the protests of the strikes at least terminals and how do you see this situation developing then can the oil industry rebound from mess at the moment it does seem like there is a stalemate and the problem really facing libya too is that there is no proper functioning government there's no proper functioning army and there's no proper functioning police force so it's very difficult for the government to say go in and break up these strikes these protests because no one knows who's on whose side i was told earlier this week that even in tripoli the government doesn't seem to have full control of the country there are militias in control of certain checkpoints. and so the government really isn't functioning properly to to make sure that recovery to the oil sector can take place now obviously that is a major problem and it could actually get worse because a lot of libya's oil production is in the eas

ambassador to libya, were murdered. nearly a year later, no one wants to repeat the same fatal mistakes. >> my heart is broken, because he perished the way he did. >> the truth is irrefutable it was a terrorist attack. >> was it because of a protest or because of guys out for a walk one night that decided to kill some americans? what difference at this point does it make? >> was there a coverup? and where are the killers? >> they're either somewhere planning their next attack or they're hiding out. >> will there be justice? >> i'm afraid if these people are still in charge, more of our people are going to get murdered. >> tonight, from libya to washington, d.c., the truth about benghazi. ♪ >> good evening. i'm erin burnett. tonight, an "outfront" special investigation, the truth about benghazi. for nearly a year, america has been searching for answers about the deadly attacks that took the lives of four americans, including ambassador christopher stevens, information officer sean smith and two former navy s.e.a.l.s. t

libya's old wounds which led to the fall of colonel gadhafi two years ago a still open the country's grip by militia violence is a misquote below the territory and a bigger share of plummeting oil revenue on top of all that the government is trying to revive some of the tactics used by the former regime to keep dissent is it bad a fall asleep or explains. anniversaries are often a time of celebration for two years on libya has pushes little to be applauding. i'm not sure it will be right to assume that there's a government in libya there's no army no police armed militias are in control there's violent chaos the. militia violence stalks the land jihadist groups are growing strikes threaten to cripple the oil industry and economic stagnation is everywhere with all the bad negative things that the to say about the state those that. control it by force the situation of these device by the countries libya post gadhafi is far from the haiti days of the with illusionary euphoria human rights watch says a wave of assassinations has killed dozens of politicians activists judges and members o

and from triumph to despair we'll look at how libya has resurrected the same control methods used by the toppled regime as the country's dragged back into chaos two years after the revolution. watching aren't you coming to live from the russian capital i'm marina joshing welcome to the program now russia says foreign intervention in syria would be a mistake that would further destabilize a country and the region and a news conference in light of the u.s. and its allies considering military action foreign ministers here you are off said there is no proof that the awesome regime used chemical weapons are to shawn thomas has been following the briefing and joins us now so sean one exactly doesn't russia share the west believe that the assad regime is behind the attack well sergey lavrov was very direct in his press conference outlining key concerns about the rhetoric that the west is using in fact he says. that they say that they are sure that chemical weapons have been used by the assad regime but they have not yet presented convincing evidence to support that it was assad's regime tha

libya's oil industry the country's lifeline is in danger of destruction as ports god strikes continue to disrupt the country's exports with an estimated loss of one point six billion dollars the north says the port has been caused by competition between members of the new day placed petroleum facilities gas made up of ex militia members fighting amongst themselves are the selling of the country's oil for personal gain of the country is reliant on or like sports accounting for ninety five percent of all output the produces shipments have been cut to their lowest level since the civil war twenty eleven with some estimating just three hundred thousand barrels a day are being shipped out of the country now so for more insight into the libyan oil industry and the economy as a whole i'm joined by stewart and it from platts want to challenge is face in libya right now both oil industry and their economy to say that libya's oil sector at the moment is in a total state of chaos remember three of the main export terminals for oil are now shut have been for three four weeks and that's cutting of

right now both that oil industry and their economy to say that libya's oil sector at the moment is in a total state of chaos remember three of the main export terminals for oil are now shut have been for three four weeks and that's cutting off libya's a konami lifeline its oil exports exports down by more than half now with those there is terminal shut and there doesn't seem to be any any letup to the protests of the strikes of these terminals and how do you see this situation developing then can the or the industry rebound from mess for the moment it does seem like there's a stalemate and the problem really facing libya too is that there is no proper functioning government there's no proper functioning army and there's no proper functioning police force so it's very difficult for the government to say go in and break up these strikes these protests because no one knows who's on whose side i was told earlier this week that even in tripoli the government doesn't seem to have full control of the country there are militias in control of certain checkpoints. and so the government really i

do the israelis that's the case the managed to intervene in libya and topple the. same thing they are doing. they're out of. syria but this is a very agencies that are very interesting point mr ass one that they have one that makes sure that israelis is a dominant power in the region and that israeli's interest and all threaten but of course it's still an open question of whether the idea that the americans tend to support it in syria will know i think did threaten the israeli security in their minds bigger way down the government of bashar al assad and here i want to go to the book that you authored several years ago the secret history of al qaeda reach you described a not so. the secret history of america's involvement the cia involvement with al qaida and the provision of both monetary and military aid to al qaeda and i think this is not an isolated example this is quite a frequent american tactic of supporting the groups that they will have to fight later on do you think this is something that we are also witnessing in syria and to some extent that we in libya

do the israelis that's the case the managed to intervene in libya and topple the. same thing they are doing the same in. syria but this is a very very interesting point mr af one that they have one that makes sure that israelis is a dominant power in the region and that israelis interest and not threaten but of course it's still an open question of whether the idea that the americans tend to support it in syria are real no i think. the israeli security in their mind should be go away down the government of bashar al assad and here i want to go to the book that you authored several years ago the secret history of al qaeda and you described a not so secret history of america's involvement the cia involvement with al qaida and the provision of both monetary and military aid to al qaeda and i think this is not an isolated example this is quite a frequent american tactic of supporting the groups that they will have to fight later on do you think this is something that we are also witnessing in syria and to some extent that we witnessed in libya well actually. no is will

. -- resolution on libya. it gives us a clear definition on our responsibility to protect. it is to take all necessary measures to protect civilians and civil populations under threat of attack. including foreign occupation in any form. >> i want to cut in. right to protect them from comical weapons or a general right? is it the chemical weapons we are talking about? >> chemical weapons is a threshold issue for president obama and president hollande. i do not think that precludes them from making the argument which has been an evolving trend in international law. there is a long-standing tradition of the commitments not to use poison gas. syria, although it did not sign to the chemical weapons convention, it is a member of the 1925 geneva protocol, which laid the groundwork for that. there is a violation in that regard and that is important. >> pertaining to chemical weapons. i want to ask you, we are hearing the white house, barack obama saying this is beyond any doubt that this chemical weapons attack, was p

had the destructive interventions in iraq then in libya. and having not solved the anni with other problems which have emerged there is arab spring so in order to. assist to the police to mention states to have stability and into confessional in into ethnic peace not having solve those problems we should move to those. countries begin to make statements at the summit level which are really astonishing. and they're standing in a way that we could not understand the political path wage those statements said. i asked john kerry yesterday during our phone conversations what was the strategy of their actions with the with how they planned to make it sure is. but that almost sounds the almost declared although not yet sanctioned action against syria could help to solve the problems in the region as not multiply them and not leave the region to the real catastrophe and what i offer plans to ensure that i asked him and his answer was. you know i'd say he's a bit narrower than my question he just called on russia and china to join you see efforts on

the bases in libya it will be a dominant figure and that part of the words yes many people i was against the american intervention in iraq i was against the american intervention in afghanistan that we. so i was really criticize that i said to the. criticize you loved me when i could size the american invasion of iraq you loved me when i was very critical of the america. destruction of afghanistan so why now when i use the same principle you'll you'll you'll hate it when you know when is the answer why did i have to have such a short memory because the propaganda you know that i have public opinion was actually bombarded by a propaganda saying that. you know arab spring and the topple of that mirror will change and medicare is supporting this kind of democracy spreading democracy in our part of the word so this kind of propaganda which was well orchestrated influenced many people in the arab world so they are not listening to the wise voices saying that look america they have their own interests they want to dismantle that was they want to create favored state they want to weaken that ar

do the israelis that's the case the message to intervene in libya topple the. same thing they are doing. they're out of. syria but this is a very ancient means that was very interesting point mr ass one that they have one that makes sure that israelis is the dominant power in the region and that israelis interest and all threaten but of course it's still an open question of whether the idea that the americans tend to support it in syria will know i think. the israeli security in their mind should be go away down the government of bashar al assad and here i want to go to the book that you author it several years ago the secret history of al qaeda and reach you described a not so. the secret history of the americas involvement the cia involvement with al qaida and the provision of both monetary and military aid to al qaeda and i think this is not an isolated example this is quite a frequent american tactic of supporting the groups that they will have to fight later on do you think this is something that we are also witnessing in syria and to some extent that we w

ambassador to libya, were murdered. nearly a year later, no one wants to repeat the same fatal mistakes. >> my heart is broken, because he perished the way he did. >> the truth is irrefutable it was a terrorist attack. >> was it because of a protest or because of guys out for a walk one night that decided to kill some americans? what difference at this point does it make? >> was there a coverup? and where are the killers? >> they're either somewhere planning their next attack or they're hiding out. >> will there be justice? >> i'm afraid if these people are still in charge, more of our people are going to get murdered. >> tonight, from libya to washington, d.c., the truth about benghazi. ♪ >> good evening. i'm erin burnett. tonight, an "outfront" special investigation, the truth about benghazi. for nearly a year, america has been searching for answers about the deadly attacks that took the lives of four americans, including ambassador christopher stevens, information officer sean smith and two former navy s.e.a.l.s. t

the message to intervene in libya and topple the. lead of the same thing they are doing the same in the. they're out of. syria but this is a very very interesting point mr ass one that they have one that make sure that israelis is a dominant power in the region and that israelis interest and all threaten but of course it's still an open question of whether the idea that the americans tend to support it in syria real no i think. the israeli security in their mind should be go away down the government of bashar al assad and here i want to go to the book that you authored several years ago the secret history of al qaeda reach you described a not so. the secret history of the americas involvement the cia involvement with al qaida and the provision of both monetary and military aid to al qaeda and i think this is not an isolated example this is quite a frequent american taxi call supporting the groups that they will have to fight later on do you think this is something that we are also witnessing in syria and to some extent that we witnes

do the israelis that's the case the members to intervene in libya topple the. leader of the same thing they are doing. there out of. syria but this is a very agency these are very interesting point mr ass one that they have one that makes sure that israelis is a dominant power in the region then that israelis interest and all threaten but of course it's still an open question of whether the idea that the americans tend to support it in syria will know i think. the israeli security in their minds are bigger way than the government of bashar al assad and here i want to go to the book that you authored several years ago the secret history of al qaeda and we each you described a not so. the secret history of the americas involvement the cia involvement with al qaida and the provision of both monetary and military aid to al qaeda and i think this is not an isolated example this is quite a frequent american tactic of supporting the groups that they will have to fight later on do you think this is something that we are also witnessing in syria and to some extent that

have their best interests in mind and that wasn't the case as far as i can tell at least neither in libya nor in syria nor in egypt no no look i mean historically we know that western states have meddled in the middle east you know since the end of the first world war and this has gone on and on and on and it is still with us today i'm glad you wrote of the issue of israel because one of the things that is very depressing about. the arab spring if you like is the way that it has somehow diverted attention from israel we talked about diverting attention of the palestinian cause yes but there is seriously it's also diverted attention from israel israel which is the example i would have thought of imperialism you know this is zero really dangerous serious situation for the arab world and they have to turn their attention to israel and to doing something about israel because that would make a huge difference in my view really can they do about israel because as we all know israel has a very strong protector and you know or we've seen a number of interventions or proposed interventions in rais

with libya. under gadhafi again whatever its flaws was a fairly tolerant it a fairly multicultural state again it was destroyed into and now into a kind of series of warring militias so. the united states yes it professes democracy but in reality it destroys the very states that tend to. embody suppose that american values then isn't it the need allies though and of course there's the the eight hundred pound which is israel ok bruce there's a late i just want fishes eight hundred pound gorilla. there i mean that you know as far as the eye of the bird in the middle east the arabs in the world think this is an absolutely outraged that the united states professes to be an honest broker and you know advocating peace in the middle east when he unreservedly supports israeli policy ok lott said there bruce go ahead. but i mean i do think we risk here putting the situation us in a situation where it's damned if you do and damned if it don't and other words there was in place that george's implicit sugges

of the insurrection in libya would have ended enormous number of lives would have been laws. supplies would have continued you know and you know happily same way the same as in syria the conflict could've ended years ago now again you know energy supplies to europe the rest of the world ever would have would have continued before instead america got involved and made things much worse and so all right gentlemen i'm sorry george what everyone else is george bruce we have run out of time fascinating conversation many thanks indeed my guests in washington and new york and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time remember across topples. plus defines a country's success to go faceless figures of economic growth. for a factual standard of living clear. mission free accreditation free zones for judges free the arrangement three kids free studio types free. download free blog can plug in video for your media projects for free media dog r t v dot com. clint. build a. mission to teach. with the. a day of anger the muslim brotherhood calls on millions to prot

with libya. on the gadhafi you know again whatever its flaws was a fairly tolerant it a fairly multicultural state again it was destroyed and now into a kind of a. series of warring militias so. you might say yes it professes democracy but in reality it destroys the very states that tend to you know embody suppose that american values then isn't it then the allies the and of course there's the the eight hundred pound which is the israel ok bruce that i didn't i just want that is eight hundred pound gorilla. i mean that you know as far as the. middle east the arabs in the world think this is an absolutely outraged that the united states professes to be an honest broker and you know advocating peace in the middle east reservedly supports israeli policy ok lott said there bruce go ahead. but i mean i do think we risk here putting the situ us in a situation where it stands if you do and damned if it don't and other words there was implicit george's implicit suggestion was that the tacit u.s. lack of

was focused on the countries where it was happening you know two newsier first then egypt and then to libya and then rain and so on so it was natural that attention should have been focused on those revolutions if you like but you should vote and also to mention that certainly in egypt and they recognize. that the palestinian into father was an inspiration for them. in a sense the palestinians provided the model for these uprisings this is a historical process at you cannot this early on in historical process i think you cannot say it succeeded it hasn't succeeded it will never happen etc you have to understand that it will take more time to see which we were going you just mentioned that you see the palestinian intifada as a model for arab revolutions and i think that it was a feeling shared by many just a couple of years ago but i think the crucial difference here is that palestinians have been fighting for their cause for decades whereas what happened in many of the arab states egypt would be one libya would be another syria is also very last or two for example here that in pursuing what

do the israelis that's the case the message to intervene in libya and topple the. leader of the same thing they are doing the same in. syria but this is a very very interesting point mr ass one that they have one that make sure that israelis is the dominant power in the region and that israelis interest and all threaten but of course it's still an open question of whether the idea that the americans tend to support it in syria real no i think. the israeli security in their minds are bigger way than the government of bashar assad and here i want to go to the book that you authored several years ago the secret history of al qaeda reach you described a not so. the secret history of the americas involvement the cia involvement with al qaida and the provision of both monetary and military aid to al qaeda and i think this is not an isolated example this is quite a frequent american tactic of supporting the groups that they will have to fight later on do you think this is something that we are also witnessing in syria and to some extent that we in libya well actually i. k

have their best interests in mind and that wasn't the case as far as i can tell at least neither in libya nor in syria nor in egypt no no look i mean historically we know that western states have meddled in the middle east you know since the end of the first world war and this has gone on and on and on and it is still with us today i'm glad you wrote of the issue of israel because one of the things that is very depressing about. the arab spring if you like is the way that it has somehow diverted attention from israel we talk about diverting attention of the palestinian cause yes but very seriously it's also diverted attention from israel israel which is the example i would have thought of imperialism you know this is. a dangerous serious situation for the arab world and they have to turn their attention to israel and to doing something about israel because that would make a huge difference in my really can they do about israel because as we all know israel has a very strong protector and you know or we've seen a number of interventions or proposed interventions and reasoning here is qadda

really there's no really american strategic interest there so you know is this going to be a repeat of libya where it's kind of the europeans leading us along and congress isn't going to do anything about it we know that already and so that kind of leaves it leaves the president's foreign policies in with anyway and it's kind of his it's another thing that's like we're not engaging but we're intervening you know also it's not going to turn out good if cooler heads don't prevail yes and in damascus here in damascus how do you see all of this what's the timing all about. while america is not going to be embarrassed repeating the actions of iraq ten years ago america that times and times before and they are going to repeat it again now they're looking for a pretext for war that they're absolutely convinced that chemical weapons have been used by the syrian government they're not even interested in the results of the of the inquiry by the u.n. commission in fact mr kerry said that. they're not interested in the polls because they have made their own judgments so they've made up their mind it see

for their cause for their kids whereas what happened in many of the arab states egypt would be one libya would be another syria is also a very last or two for example here in pursuing what seem to be very legitimate goals people in many of those caught countries they did away with many of the children's that they have and for the sake of democracy many of the other values were abandoned for example social cohesion the respect of minorities the rights of women so i wonder if you still think that the arab spring is. how cool when it comes to the palestinian cause because all those countries that previously had their moral pressure to support the palestinians both financially and diplomatically they're now preoccupied with our own problems yeah no no it's had a look so far it's had a negative impact on the palestinian cause definitely because first of all people are really taken up with their own issues and the whole thing is erupting it's not settled we don't know quite how it work there is a battle between secularists and between the other camp which are the religious. communities now thi