defund obamacare. when start mike lee and i began this endeavor, senator enzi was with us from the start and i am grateful for his support and for his leadership. and i would note your question is exactly right, we wouldn't be in this mess were not for the failure of the united states senate, the failure of the senate to do its job. the failure of the senate to have open debate, to have open amendments. the failure of the senate to actually pass appropriations bills. continuing resolution exists because congress has fallen down oon the job. congress hasn't actually passed appropriation bills into law. and one of the things a continuing resolution bill does, a continuing resolution basically says, let's keep everything going, because we haven't actually passed the appropriations bills that would properly make the funding decisions on the various agencies of government, but a continuing resolution enables those who want to keep funding obamacare to try to hold everything hostage to it. so, for example, y

he partially defunded obamacare. there can be no resistance for the idea of defunding says the president's self surely was going to be intellectually honest. >> several polls that point. now that it has passed congress, the supreme court has given it to check of approval. the mandate of this. they don't want politics to be recaptured. they're ready to move on. lou: you are not accepting reality. the polls, all of them, show opposition to obamacare. there is -- that is a fact. it is a disaster, an economic disaster. would you be willing to give it a year or two before being implemented to fix it? rigid be willing to do that? >> it is an economic disaster if you ask the americans have no health issues, there will be allowed to get health insurance for hundred dollars. >> the american people don't want to see obamacare implemented. they want to see their health care system fixed. that is what we need to do. if republicans realize this as a political tool, where going to lose because of the mainstream media. we are. lou:

people speak out and tell senators to defund obamacare, fund the rest of the government, defund obamacare that will happen? 100%? >> that's the only way it will happen. >> it can happen. this is about momentum. this is the way things happen in washington. the political establishment says it is impossible. the american people speak and they say, maybe it's improbable. eventually it's unstoppable as the people get behind it and elected representatives realize it is important to stand with them. >> if this isn't the fight for republicans i don't know what is. this is a defining issue. if they don't stand up and have a spine, they lose me. i'm a registered conservative already. otherwise, what do they stand for? the number one issue in america if you ask the american people is jobs and the economy. doesn't matter if they are democrats, republicans or independents. my biggest frustration is we spend zero time talking about jobs and the economy. we spent six weeks talking about guns and taking away second amendment rights. with harry reid's senate, no time on tax re form, regulatory reform. the

the ground has been set and democrats, to defund obamacare. there will be a vote that links obamacare to a continuing resolution to bankroll the government through december 15. that bombshell announcement was unveiled at a press conference this morning. let's take a look. >> the house will pass the c.r. this h week that locks the sequester save ings in and defunds obama care. the president signed seven bills over the last two and a half years to make changes to obamacare. i hope our friend s in the senate have plans the to make this an eighth time. the house has voted to defund, change obamacare, to repeal it. it is time for the senate to have the fight. >> i will be joined in studio in a moment by the two republicans leading the fight in the senate. that's ted cruz and mike lee. fir first. >> you have never seen in the history of the united states the debt ceiling or the threat of not raising the debt ceiling being used to ex totort a presit or a governing party and trying to force issues that have nothing to do with the budget and have nothi

republicans passing the bill to defund obamacare. democrats are somewhat hysterical. we will take you through the worst of it in the "chalk talk lou: the house voted two defund obamacare. it's not surprising that republicans would vote to kill obamacare. forty-one times they voted to change or repeal that law. this is number 42. the reaction was reliably hysterical. shall we call it 50 shades of politics. the language was bizarre from the democrats. listen to some of these remarkable statements, absurdly so throughout the week. nancy pelosi says either you don't know what you're doing with this is one of the most intentional acts of brutality. senator chuck schumer. he said that they banded together and handcuffed republican leadership. i believe the word you were looking for was figuratively and literally. the assistant press secretary said republicans in congress are being held hostage. earlier this week president obama said that the debt ceiling is being used to extort a president. i wonder which president was referring to. and we save the democrats deepest dive in

this courageous man is fighting to defund obamacare by filibustering a bill that defunds obamacare. and what makes it truly courageous, the bill was his idea. and it's not really a filibuster. cruz knew in advance he'd have to yield the floor by noon today. i believe the room was booked for danny goldstein's bar mitzvah. mazel tov, danny. but if it's not a filibuster, then what do we call it? >> it is important to note this effort from senator cruz is technically not a filibuster. >> what looks like a filibuster and feels like a filibuster but is not a filibuster. >> to be honest with you, we're trying to sort out what exactly to call this. >> a filibuster is an oracle fireworks show. >> it's a political theater of the absurd. >> stephen: yes, theater of the absurd. frankly, i think all theater's absurd. i mean i pay the money. why can't i stab julius caesar? the point is, whatever you call it, the people love it. >> if you're going about living your life in green bay, wisconsin, and you're not paying attention this every single twist and turn, that's what you're going to remember f

lou: the house voted two defund obamacare. it's not surprising that republicans would vote to kill obamacare. forty-one times they voted to change or repeal that law. this is number 42. the reaction was reliably hysterical. shall we call it 50 shades of politics. the language was bizarre from the democrats. listen to some of these remarkable statements, absurdly so throughout the week. nancy pelosi says either you don't know what you're doing with this is one of the most intentional acts of brutality. senator chuck schumer. he said that they banded together and handcuffed republican leadership. i believe the word you were looking for was figuratively and literally. the assistant press secretary said republicans in congress are being held hostage. earlier this week president obama said that the debt ceiling is being used to extort a president. i wonder which president was referring to. and we save the democrats deepest dive into sad rhetoric for last. this from congressman eric swallow of california. listen to this. >> i invite

i thunk we should defund obamacare. if the democrats won't agree we come together and we have to have a compromise. we are not going to get everything we want. what's ridiculous is the president comes out to say, oh, if the republicans don't get 100% of what they want they will shut down government. it's actually completely the opposite. he wants 100% of obamacare as passed by democrats with no input from republicans or he'll shut the government down. it's him threatening to shut it i down. he doesn't want to listen to reason or compromise. if the republican miss the house, let's walk through it. if they fund the debt, obligations, military, social security and the rest of the government but not obamacare and they send it to the senate and they won't take it up or they do it piecemeal and the president doesn't want to sign the legislation, who oos shutting down the government? wouldn't it be him? >> what happens is the democrats will pass a bill that fully funds obamacare. the republicans won't. historically the way com

lou: the house voted two defund obamacare. it's not surprising that republicans would vote to kill obamacare. forty-one times they voted to change or repeal that law. this is number 42. the reaction was reliably hysterical. shall we call it 50 shades of politics. the language was bizarre from the democrats. listen to some of these remarkable statements, absurdly so throughout the week. nancy pelosi says either you don't know what you're doing with this is one of themost intentional acts of brutality. senator chuck schumer. he said that they banded together and handcuffed republican leadership. i believe the word you were looking for was figuratively and literally. the assistant press secretary said republicans in congress are being held hostage. earlier this week president obama said that the debt ceiling is being used to extort a president. i wonder which president was referring to. and we save the democrats deepest dive into sad rhetoric for last. this from congressman eric swallow of california. listen to this. >> i invite

what we're talking about right now is defunding obamacare. everybody talks like the republicans want to say we want to shut down the government. no, the president and harry reid have both said they're going to shut down the government if we don't roll back the sequester. bill, we're willing to compromise. we're giving him a c.r. that totally funds the government and continues his deficit spending. and in return, we want to delay obamacare for a year. i don't think that's unreasonable. >> i don't know what i have to do or karl rove has to do or brad blakeman has to do to tell you not going to happen. so it would be like -- and you'll identify with this, amy. it would be like msnbc saying at 8:00 we're going to beat the "the o'reilly factor" next week. it's not going to happen. it's never going to happen. they can try to make it happen. in that case it wouldn't harm them. but in this case, if the republican party is deemed by independents and conservative democrats to be fanatical and unreasonable you do hurt your cause. mr. blakeman, a guy lik

the house send cr to senate that defunds obamacare. senator ted cruz and mike lee refuse to fight and wave the white flag and surrender. we pulled couple more. senate republicans declare defeat before the battle begins? so much for standing up to the american people. what do you think about that? >> martha, we keep hearing someone will win or lose or not win the next election. we need to keep bringing people back to the fact that this law is devastating to america. maybe the most devastating thing in a generation as far as what it does not just to the health care system, our economy, our culture, how we think about ourselves as americans. it is, completely un-american in a lost ways, to, for us as a country to be thinking of government-run health care. so that's the point. at the heritage foundation we look at the policy. we research what it is going to do to the people of this country and, what, when they say okay, you might lose, we say since when do americans not fight for what's right because they're afraid they might lose? so if t

we should defund obamacare. >> this is not the right, not fair. it is not just. >> we are going to delay and shop a law that everyone in the country knows is not the ready. i don't think will be reasonable doubt di. >> people who think this is fun and games ought to tell people who didn't get b jobs in august of 2011. >> democrats don't want to balance the budget.

i believe we can and if we stand together we will defund obamacare. cruz: can we defund obamacare? (nats of applause) cruz's supporters call all this determination. his gop detractors - delusional. gop senator bob corker tweeted "i didn't go to harvard or princeton (the schools cruz graduated from), but i can count " part of cruz' problem is the senate runs on relationships - and he doesn't have many - something he acknowledged, with uncharacteristi c humor. "this fight is not about personalities. look, most americans could not give a flying flip about a bunch of politicians in washington. who cares? almost all of us are in cheap suits with bad haircuts! who cares?" that brings us to our question of the day. do you think senator ted cruz's speech will have an impact? we'll take your calls in our 7 o'clock hour. coming up... free money. what you can do today.. to find out if you have unclaimed property. ((megan live tease)) you're watching fox 45 morning news.. all local.. all morning. you're watching fox 45 morning news.. all local.. all morning. ((break 4)) i want you to know stuf

on the right, defund obamacare even if it means shutting down the government, people and the squishy moderate republicans, rhinos who say we can't win so don't fight. i stand with the conservatives like senator ted cruz and mike lee fighting like hell to defund obamacare. the very last words my mother whispered in my ear were "eric, if you believe in it. never quit." somebody else who never quits is neil in d.c. wednesday night the middle of the hot debate with the players helping decide our future. don't miss it first on fox news at 4:00. then fbn at 8:00 p.m. eastern. i seal you on "the five." have a great weekend, everybody. ♪ ♪ >>> i believe we can bin this fight. i don't think anyone can look at what i said and have done, what mike lee has said and done and have any doubt we are going to fight with every ounce of breath in our body to defund obamacare. >> uma: texas senator ted cruz puts himself at the senator of the battle between republicans and the president. now that the house passed a bill to keep the government open while defunding obamacare, the senate is poised to vo

the house of representatives stood up for the american people and voted to defund obamacare. tonight we'll be joined by a special studio audience from both sides of the aisle to debate the president's disastrous health care law. first here is how it went down earlier today in a 230-189 vote. the house passed the bill to fund the government through december 15 but not fund obamacare. now before today's historic vote both republican and democratic lawmakers took to the house floor to make their positions known. let's take a look. >> today we are considering a measure to fund government only if the democratic senate and democratic president will agree to dismantle the health care re form law help millions of americans access quality affordable care. that isn't going to happen. it is a blatant act of hostage-taking. >> this resolution will protect the working middle class from the devastating effect s of obamacare. each week with hear stories about how both major employers and small businesses are cutting back benefits and cutting back hours. the president's health care law is tu

every democratic senator will vote to repeal or defund obamacare. can we get democratic senators to join us? we have to take the risk. >> when you vote on cloture, you uh don't know what the bill will be. >> we're probably pretty sure. >> not 100%. semi rolling the dice. >> the majority leader will always have the power post cloture to amend the bill with 51 votes. the way you defund obamacare is you have to get the super majority support of the american public. i appreciate any effort to the federal budget, personal freedoms. you have to get super majority support of the american public to put pressure on democratic senators, vote for repeal or we better start winning elections to take a majority in the senate as well as the presidency. >> another promise that er with going to run out of money around october 17. the secretary of treasury has written the speaker. now what? >> it will be another battle. listen, any time the president of the united states comes to congress asking for the authority to increase the debt burden on our children and grandc

defunding obamacare out of the bill are the senate side but not on the house side you're going to see all of those republicans in the house voting for a measure that does include defunding obamacare right and then what happens is what cruz is already saying is that when it gets ping ponged back to the house the second time that they should go ahead and defund obamacare again which brings us even closer to september thirtieth it seems we don't want health in america anyway so the comment call raves is that obama wants the shutdown because it rescues him it will swing independents into the democratic column in the elections next year you buy that no i don't and you know there's a real you know we're playing games here quite frankly that is exactly what is going on in capitol hill and fiscal markets you watch what happens to the stock market to a lot of the other financial indicators as we get closer and closer to friday without any kind of a deal if the financial markets think that congress is not going to come to some common or resolution we are going to find it out in our pocketbooks

you also don't have support in the senate to defund obamacare, do you? >> well, look, here's the issue. we have to ask the question, how many more people will have to lose their jobs or have their wages cut or lose their health care benefits before congress acts, before congress does something to protect the american people? how many more states will have to announce that premiums are going up? this week we saw home depot announcing that 20,000 employees will lose their health care benefits. the house boldly acted this weekend. i commend speaker boehner for his leadership on this. >> do you have the support in the senate to defund obamacare or don't you? >> we had 40% support in march to defund obamacare. we will add a sixth from new jersey. i would hope a few senate democrats, especially those in red states up for reelection this year, will consider joining us. >> here's my question for the group, and i'll come to you, congresswoman blackburn, first. you remember in the shutdown in '95 and '96? >> sure. >> it hurt americans. $1.4 billion in the cost of

take a listen. >> any bill that defund obamacare is dead, dead. it's a waste of time as i said before. in fact i told the speaker that last week. i'm disappointed that he has decided from what i've heard he will move forward with full knowledge that it's a futile effort. there is simply postponing the inevitable choice they must face. pass a clean bill to fund the government or shut it down. gregg: charlie, where is the upside for republicans to chase this and isn't there enormous downside if indeed in the end the government shuts down? >> well i think that monica is right in pointing out that, what will ultimately happen is, harry reid is going to strip out the defund part and it will go back to the house. house republicans will be facing choice of either approving what the senate is done or not approving. i can almost guaranty you they will probably vote to go ahead and keep the government open and approve of the new version of the cr without the -- gregg: goes to next deadline which is raising debt ceiling and defaulting on debt? >> that is a g

defunding obamacare out of the bill on the senate side but not of the house side you're going to see all of those republicans in the house voting for a measure that does include defunding obamacare right and then what happens is what cruz is already saying is that when it gets ping ponged back to the house the second time that they should go ahead and defund obamacare again which brings us even closer to september thirtieth it seems we don't want health in america anyway just a little comment call raves is that obama wants the shutdown because it rescues him it will swing independents into the democratic column in the elections next year you buy that no i don't and you know there's a real you know we're playing games here quite frankly that is exactly what is going on in capitol hill and fiscal markets you watch what happens to the stock market to a lot of the other financial indicators as we get closer and closer to friday without any kind of a deal if the financial markets think that congress is not going to come to some common resolution we're going to find it out in our pocketboo

they also know they do not have enough votes to push through the house bill to defund obamacare. which is why mitch mcconnell called cruz's speech, a waste of time. >> we may not always agree on tactics but on the question of repealing obamacare, we're totally united. >> reporter: that prompted this response. >> there are politicians in this body that are not listening to the people, they are not listening to the concerns of their constituents. >> reporter: cruz did manage to take a rest thanks to fellow republicans, like tea party member mike lee who gave cruz a break by way of a long-winded question. >> and so center cruz . . . i have to ask you -- >> the lowest work force participation in decades. >> reporter: the senator read from a children's book. >> i would not like them here or there, i do not like green eggs and ham, i do not like them, sam i am. >> reporter: and he quoted a reality tv show. >> i want to point out a few wores of wisdom from duck dynasty -- >>> the clock is ticking for senator cruz as lawmakers prepare to vote on a spending bill this afternoon. for a clos

defunding obamacare out of the bill are the senate side but not on the house side you're going to see all of those republicans in the house voting for a measure that doesn't clue defunding obamacare right and then what happens is what cruz is already saying is that when it gets ping ponged back to the house the second time that they should go ahead and defund obamacare again which brings us even closer to september thirtieth it seems we don't want health in america anyway so the comment call raves is that obama wants the shutdown because it rescues him it will swing independents into the democratic column in the elections next year you buy that no i don't and you know there's a real you know we're playing games here quite frankly that is exactly what is going on in capitol hill and fiscal markets you watch what happens to the stock market to a lot of the other financial indicators as we get closer and closer to friday without any kind of a deal if the financial markets think that congress is not going to come to some common a resolution we're going to find it out in our pocketbooks th

and defund obamacare. we introduced positive reforms on health care. >> one of the propoems is a $17,500 tax deduction against your income or payroll taxes if you buy insurance under the gop program. $20,000 per family, right? >> that's a positive move. it's a great incentive to get people to purchase their own health care in the private market. >> what about the poor? people have jobs but obamacare, the whole idea was to the make sure everybody is included. in your program is there something for the poor? >> there's always been medicare and medicaid. medicaid takes care of the very poor. >> with an expansion? do you envision is expansion under obamacare or the old level? >> what we are doing is offering more affordable options and more options for health care because, as we know, obamacare is inacrossing the cost of medical care. our proms are bringing it down. so it will be far more affordable for people at the lower end of the income ladder. our gol is to make sure every american has a way to get their

only in obamacare is defunded. now the white house of course threatening a veto as the bill is winning praise from senators marco rubio of florida, ted cruz of texas, mike lee of utah. >> okay, so what happens next after it passes the house? is at that moment, once the house passes this, the only people who can produce a government shutdown at that point, are harry reid and the senate democrats and the president of the united states. if they are willing to say to the american people, look, because you want to defund obamacare, even though you're willing to fund everything else in government, we're going to shut doesn't government? jon: chief congressional cannot mike emanuel standing by live on capitol hill. mike, there appears to be some friction on the republican side about how far to take this fight. >> reporter: that's right, gregg. house conservatives who pushed leaders to defund obamacare to fight that cause are wonder if some of their senate conservative colleagues are giving up without a fight. statement fr

i intend to speak in support of te defunding obamacare until i am no longer able to stand. if it were a good thing, you would want the good stuff to happen before the election and not after the election. we can't be special and exceptional without the american dream. that's what's undermined by big government and by obamacare. >> under no circumstances should members of congress be treated better than what we are doing under the law, forcing upon millions ofs. >> we are asking for a dialogue. how do we get it unless someone says, enough is enough? >> i would not have imposed on your time and energy if i didn't believe this was of vital importance to the american people. it's now late at night. i'm going to venture to say most members of the united states senate are home in bed asleep. while america lives the nightmare. >> that the at the end of the day is why we are passionate about this. that's why this is an issue worth fighting for. >> obamacare was told to the miles an hour if you like your health coverage you can keep it. we now know that promise was simply objectivobj

pass the cr that defunds obamacare. i don't understand, why doesn't, what's the daily caller's take on why ted cruz is like that? >> well, i can't speak for all of my colleagues, but what we have here is just a really weird situatio situation. >> then he has to essentially filibuster it because they have to filibuster it. >> the people in the house of representatives who pass the cr, people like saxby chambliss who want to vote on the cr to defund obamacare. he is subtle about it. he compares them to nazis appeasers. take a listen. >> you go to if 1940s, nazi germany. look, we saw in britain neville chamberlain who told the british people, accept the nazis. yes, they'll dominate the continent of europe. but that's not our problem. let's appease them. why? because it can't be done. >> i suspect those same pundits who say it can't be done if it had been in the 1940s, we would have been listening to them. then they would have made television. they would have gotten beyond carrier pigeons and beyond letters. they would have

the idea to defund obamacare is not new. it's been discussed since 2010, since shortly after the law's enactment, since about the time when many people were predicting the republican party might gain control of at least one house of congress. that's really when it began in earnest. we hoped, we expected that once the republican majority took hold, once republicans took control of the house of representatives in january, 2011, in the wake of the 2010 election cycle that defunding of obamacare would be imminent. in fact, as i recall, h.r. 1, the continuing resolution, as i recall that was filed at the beginning of the last congress originally was written to defund obamacare. i'm not quite sure why that didn't move forward, but many expected that that would happen. it didn't happen. we have continued to pass continuing resolution after continuing resolution since january of 2011 to keep the government funded, and we have done so without defunding obamacare. there have been reasons for that. there were many who expected that the

it was a bipartisan vote in the house to defund obamacare. you look at polling this week, "the wall street journal" came out with for the first time in years, republicans are leading on health care, and i'm going to suggest to you that is because we're standing up and fighting to defund obamacare. republicans are talking about obamacare is killing jobs, forcing people into parttime work, driving up premiums, causing people to lose their health insurance, but number three, i believe we're going to win this fight as we persuade the american people. let me point to an example. >> neil: quickly. >> when syria started you had the president, leadership in both houses, all saying we're going to attack syria. the american people spoke up and said, we don't want that. that's not said, we don't want that, that's not in america's interest. leaders from both parties listened. that's how we win this fight. >> ted cruz, thank you very much. it's always a pleasure having you. that fight to come next week. it's the reason we are in washington next week. live

the fact is congressional budget office says if we defund obamacare, it will add costs to our deficit. if we keep it, we save money. you don't hear that. it becomes the point where you hear your own echoes on either side. there's a real need for reality. there's going to be glitches and problems. does it address the problem of large number of uninsured people in our society for the first time having the opportunity to have health care? >> today the small business s well.e pushed back"i >> look, i think we can have all the arguments we want. reality is going to speak. it starts october 1. it accelerates january 1. i would not like to be a democrat defending this in the middle of next year when the results are in. i think the way the plan is devised is catastrophic. for young people particularly, the whole idea of the plan is to use the doubling of the premiums of young people as a way to subsidize other people. it looks like a free lunch. if you're a you're a young person, it's a disaster. next up the big footprints in kenya. different threat environment. i would not say we have any sp

of those republicans in the house voting for a measure that doesn't clue defunding obamacare right and then what happens is what cruz is already saying is that when it gets ping ponged back to the house the second time that they should go ahead and defund obamacare again which brings us even closer to september thirtieth seems we don't want health in america anyway just a little comment call rave says that obama wants the shutdown because it rescues him it will swing independents into the democratic column in the elections next year you buy that no i don't and you know there's a real you know we're playing games here quite frankly that is exactly what is going on in capitol hill and fiscal markets you watch what happens to the stock market to a lot of the other financial indicators as we get closer and closer to friday without any kind of a deal if the financial markets think that congress is not going to come to some common or resolution we are going to find it out in our pocketbooks that's what we're going to see the reaction long before we ever get to the polls. what happens neal is

of those republicans in the house voting for a measure that does include defunding obamacare right and then what happens is what cruz is already saying is that when it gets ping ponged back to the house the second time that they should go ahead and defund obamacare again which brings us even closer to september thirtieth it seems we don't want health in america anyway just a little comment call rave says that obama wants the shutdown because it rescues him it will swing independents into the democratic column in the elections next year you buy that no i don't and you know there's a real you know we're playing games here quite frankly that is exactly what is going on in capitol hill and fiscal markets you watch what happens to the stock market to a lot of the other financial indicators as we get closer and closer to friday without any kind of a deal if the financial markets think that congress is not going to come to some common a resolution we're going to find it out in our pocketbooks that's what we're going to see the reaction long before we ever get to the polls. what happens neal i

that majority does not want to defund obamacare. president barack obama's health care act is the law of the land since 2010, three years ago, and requires everyone to be covered by health insurance. and enrollment for the still uninsured begins on october 1st, tuesday of next week. all u.s. citizens of all ages will have a six-month window until the end of march 2014 to buy health insurance if they do not already have it. if uninsured people do not buy in during the six-month window, they'll face penalties from the irs. question, republican leaders have questioned cruz' strategy. why is that? >> well, the obamacare passes out of existence on september 30th. and if the house doesn't renew obamacare by spending, it doesn't exist. what cruz is doing, can't do it in the senate, trying to get the house to hold firm because if the house majority and not reobamacare. but the problem is, obama and reid will say, they're shutting down the government if they don't renew obamacare. and i have argued, what they ought to do is pass bill by bill,

the gop has pushed through a spending bill, one that defunds obamacare. the president says he'll veto the bill, setting up a possible government shutdown in nine days. >>> three now, chicago mayor rahm emanuel spoke out last night, calling for an end to violence in the city. now, he consoled the grieving families. you'll remember, a gunman shot and injured 13 people. this was at a park on thursday. police say the shooter used an assault-style rifle and the shooting may be gang-related. among the recovering victims is a 3-year-old boy who was shot in the ear, and more violence out of chicago now. we've just learned that ten people were shot, five of them killed since last night. the shootings were separate incidents, and they were not tied to thursday's mass shooting there. >>> number four, alegionnaire is trying to get passengers to the destination today after it had to take nearly 80 planes out of service. allegiant needed to check the emergency slides. crews and passenger has to use the slides monday on a flight to las vegas. >>> number five, the death

at issue is whether to defund obamacare or any spening bill. with time running out, no one on capitol hill seems to be blinking. bob is managing editor of the hill. bob, you're good at explaining these things in sort of layman's language and some of us don't pay all that much attention so the house has passed a bill that keeps the government running but does not pay for obamacare. right? >> that's correct. so now the senate is likely -- harry reid hasn't said exactly but they're going to strip that provision out and send it back to the house. the reason why i think a shutdown could very well happen this time around is because there hasn't been a lot of serious negotiations. president obama called speaker boehner on friday evening. they haven't hammered anything out. so this is a key week because they only have until monday to get a deal and republicans are divided on obamacare, democrats want to get rid of the sequester so this could be chaotic. >> well, the last time the government shut down over this kind of thing, it didn't go so well for an

for the house of representatives to stand up and vote to defund obamacare. it's a tremendous victory to the american people. >> joining me live now, democratic senator from mont, member of the senate operations committee and also the banking committee. thank you so much for joining me today, sir. >> great to be here. >> we know there's a battle ahead between republicans and democrats. as i pointed out, and widely reported today, seem nos love lost between house republicans and specifically smart ted cruz. is this a glaring example to the fact that republicans are on the losing end, perhaps, if they focus so much on defunding obamacare? not moving on with dealing with this nation's debt? >> i think that, if you want to really take a step back and say, all right, defund obamacare, a bill passed by congress, signed by the president, and upheld constitutional by the supreme court, now we're going to defund it, then what do we have? the old system was severely, severely broke. we're on the cusp of having a system where it brings competition into areas like montan

obamacare. >> defund obamacare! >> reporter: the problem for the tea party texan, senate republican leaders have all but abandoned cruz's failing quest. >> i just don't happen to think filibustering a bill that defunds obamacare is the best route to defunding obamacare. all it does is shut down the government and keep obamacare funded and none of us want that. >> reporter: now, despite the cruz talk-a-thon, the bill to continue funding the government with obamacare intact is expected to pass the senate, has a good chance of passing the senate later today. the show really gets going once again as it moves over to the house, house speaker john boehner will come under a lot of pressure from conservatives to pass a bill that, again, defunds obamacare. no insight, no guidance yet from that side of the hill as to whether or not that is going to happen and with five days to go until a potential government shutdown, the stakes are starting to move ever higher, kate. >> absolutely right. you have the looming government shutd