many worried about the john birch society and there is this instant assumption that oswald must be an agent of the radical right or a member of it. then it comes out that he defected to the soviet union for a wild and had a pro-cuban activism conspiracy theorist that appeared to be pro-activism. so that fed into the cold war fields. and there is more and more fears that maybe the government had a part of this with post-watergate and investigation that breaks through. there is a wave of books explaining the cia and the fbi. including hwm and there are people he was in the caa before we knew he was in the cia. and this is not in the book, but he continued publishing conspiracy investigation on what this and enabling which was which. and he fabricated some stuff trying to implicate bush senior on the kennedy assassination. and then ran like a notice saying that this guy likes me and claimed that you know, the scents are famous for having a magazine and i just removed this from one category to the other and retrospect. and so the mafia is everything and so on. but i do think that that is

lots of people worried about the minutemen, the john birch society. an agent of the radical right or a member of it. and then it comes out that he defected to the soviet union. so the fed and sec cold war fears. the new left. there is the government was in on it. in the 70's with the post watergate investigation, that breaks through. even as first -- as late as the first budget message again he was in this day before we knew he was in the ca. he continued in the realist to publish conspiracy investigations, not labeling which were which. and he ran a piece by selling who actually fabricated some stuff by trying to implicate bush, bush sr. in the kennedy assassination. and then ran a notice saying that this guy lied to me, claimed it was not there. is in, well, says you're a famous for having a magazine that does not -- that journalism and that. move this from one category to the other. cannot cover anything. that's what way of looking in the kennedy assassination. >> one question about maybe the intersection of conspiracy theories and investigative jo

c-span: what was the john birch society? >> guest: the john birch society was the super conservative anti-communist organization which was supposedly an educational organization to alert people to the communist man around the corner but to take over america. it became sort of a respectable alternative for a lot of his segregationist in birmingham to join after they certainly would be in the klan and if they want to organize they would be part of the john birch society because i was socially acceptable. c-span: later on you say they did believe in the russian domination and they didn't believe in a hierarchy of the union. they believe everybody was responsible for what they did for their own actions and i always thought everybody is responsible for their own actions if their actions ain't too good and they need to do a little bit more praying. >> guest: that is my father trying to explain why he believes what he did and why he was part of this resistance. he now says he had nothing against black people and there is a lot of s

robert welsh was the founder of the john birch society, and as it turned out, he was my grandfather's roommate at harvard law school. he introduced my grandfather and grandmother to each other. >> what is that society, the john birch society? >> it was this super conservative, anti-communist organization which was supposedly an educational organization to alert people to e communist myths around the corner about to take over america. and it became sort of the respectable altenative for a lot of the segregationists in birmingham to join after, you know, they certainly wouldn't be in the klan. and if they wanted to organize, they would often be part of the john birch society because that was socially acceptable. >> later on in the epilogue you say, they didn't believe in russian domination of t united states and the hierarchy of the union. they believed everybody was responsible for what they did, for their own actions. i always thought that erybody is responsible for their own actions. if their actions ain't too good, they may need to do a little bit more praying. who is saying that? >

birch society and there yelena and in fact i interviewed. harry this is in the book the lamar water and i wrote all the sacrifice and interviewed harry and ricky ruiz williams who was one of the two guys who were the kind of the leaders of the bay of pigs. well in any case and and harry they had this plan on december fifth one hundred sixty three was a castro and you know in the last week in november j.f.k. was assassinated two weeks earlier and bobby kennedy and harry went to lyndon johnson then president a week after kennedy was killed and said we want to go ahead with this this plan to invade cuba and castro. l.b.j. at that point in time thought and this was before vietnam and l.b.j. at that point time thought that maybe castro played a role in killing kennedy and he just went nuts according to what he told me personally he said l.b.j. started screaming about those blank and cubans and all this kind of stuff and he said i'm going to make my stand against communism as far the hell away from those countries i can get i'm going to do it in s

birch society and there yelena and in fact i interviewed him this is in the book the mar water and i wrote all the sacrifice and interviewed her and ricky ruiz will you. who was one of the two guys who were the kind of the leaders of the bay of pigs in the. well in any case and harry they had this plan on december fifth one hundred sixty three was castro and you know in the last week of november j.f.k. was assassinated two weeks earlier and bobby kennedy and harry went to lyndon johnson then president a week after kennedy was killed and said we want to go ahead with this this plan to invade cuba and castro. l.b.j. at that point in time thought and this was before vietnam and l.b.j. at that point time thought that maybe castro played a role in killing kennedy and he just went nuts according to what he told me personally he said l.b.j. started screaming about those blank and cubans and all this kind of stuff and he said i'm going to make my stand against communism as far the hell away from those countries i can get i'm going to do it in south vietnam. and that was like this obligatory

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now, in 1965 when medicare passed, the joh john birch sociy didn't like t a lot of doctors and insurance companies didn't like it. a lot of speem that were suspicious of -- a lot of people that were suspicious of government said they didn't like it and opposed it and a lot continued to oppose it after the election. but five years later the country clearly was very happy with medicare, certainly 48 years -- 48 years later the country is very happy with medicare. i don't think there's much question that, you know, five years from now people will be happy with the affordable care act. they know that it will have worked for people in this country, that it's -- that much of it has already worked, as the presiding officer knows. we already have in my state almost a million seniors -- almost a million seniors have already received benefits, they've gotten prepreventive care, no co-pays, no deductibles. people from youngstown and toledo, seniors, have seen -- they've gotten screenings for osteoporosis and physical and all of that. no co-pay and deductible, those living on comaimplet people from