. >> and i think we always -- and i am delighted that you are amongst those being cautious and leadg on the issue. >> well, thank you. >> because this is not a time for people to rush to conflict. it's unseemly for a superpower, we're the world's only superpower, it seems to me, to act because this is a nation, a small nation, that we could attack and inflict damage with impunity. just because we have the power and the technology to do so certainly does not warrant a smug response on our part and a disdain for the damage and the pain and the depth that would result. that is on us. >> i agree. i think back -- i think back what my dad said as kids growing up. anybody can fight. it takes a man to deal with diplomacy and talk and work through a conflict like that. and i think this is time for us to man up and do what's right. >> man up, woman up, however we want to describe it. we have had a five-year opportunity under this president to have built a solid and certainly more cordial relationship with a great nation, russia, which would be very helpful at this particular chance. this parti