it's senator manchin. it's senator baucus who called it a train wreck. it's a bipartisan agreement that this thing is a disaster. >> the legislative process will take its course. the house is going to come up with a proposal, send it back to mr. reid. we'll see what happens. the senate is not even in session until 2:00 p.m. on monday. i don't really get that. congressman peter welch, appreciate it. steve, thank you. you heard what the congressman had to say. but that countdown to a government shutdown is still ticking. we'll bring in our experts who join us with their brilliant commentary up next on "kudlow." aw this is tragic man, investors just like you could lose tens of thousands of dollars on their 401(k) to hidden fees. thankfully e-trade has low cost investments and no hidden fees. but, you know, if you're still bent on blowing this fat stack of cash, there's a couple of ways you could do it. ♪ ♪ or just go to e-trade and save it. boom. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] 1.21 gigawatts. today, that's easy. ge is revolutionizing power. supercharging tu

senator joe manchin democrat from west virginia says he would support a one-year delay for folks who do not want to be forced into the obama care arena. but the truth is, the senate and the president will never never going to do it. physical a compromise is not reached. >> break down essential services across the board a place completely out of control. there are some americans who don't care. but most of us do care. we don't want scorched earths and we don't want a government shutdown that would directly hurt many of our fellow citizens. so, it is that president obama and the republican leadership in congress must sit down and hammer out a deal. both sides have to give something here. those who will not compromise will be hurting the country and the american people will know exactly who they are. and that's the memo. in a moment, reaction from two congressman who were directly involved in the chaos. can we get out of this mess? that report next on the rundown. . >> bill: in the impact segment tonight. will the government actually shut down next week? simple question. messy situation

. >> we will talk to three key players in the debate, west virginia democratic senator joe manchin, oklahoma republican senator tomko burn and arizona republican congressman matt salmon as world leaders convene for the annual united nations meeting we will also hear from former secretary of state henry kissinger on syria, and america's place in the world. >> plus we will get analysis from the new managing editor of time, nancy gibbs. time international editor bobby born, sanger of "the new york times" and our own john dickerson, we are everywhere because this is face the nation. captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> and good morning, again, there is breaking news this morning, in nairobi kenya as more troops have been brought in as a hostage standoff continues with an islamic militant group in an upscale shopping mall, at last count 59 have been killed, 175 have been wounded, four of the wound ready americans. these images were taken by new york new york times photographer tyler hicks. we will continue to monitor this situation and

but others, there are others and one was a bipartisan measure that senators manchin and to me back -- toomey and schumer proposed that would make universal background checks. another one was a proposal to criminalize straw purchasing and make it punishable by 15 years in prison. another one was a lot against gun trafficking bringing guns against datelines -- across state lines. >> guest: these were already against the law. >> host: they wanted to strengthen them get all of these amendments failed to reach 60 votes which were required under the rules. why would people who rationally support strengthening such laws oppose them would they came to a vote in the senate? >> guest: eye as i explain in my my book there were two different trains moving down that track in the senate. what happened in newtown was you know just one of the most horrific things that it has ever in america and shattered everybody. what i find to be unfortunate is obama has had this anti-gun control agenda plan as has dianne feinstein. these legislation have been in the works and they announce them within two days of

even senate democrats like joe manchin are starting to listen to the people who sent them to congress. americans don't want the law. texans don't want the law. my district doesn't want the law. it's easy to he see why. this week reported by the man tanian institute revealed that the president was lying when he said americans will see a $2,500 decrease in their premiums. the average health care premium in 2013 for a 27-year-old male was $91. under obamacare it's $139, a 53% increase. that's frightening. this study shows 12 states will see an approximate 100% increase in their premiums, many higher. this is one of the worst pieces of legislation in my lifetime. it hurts families, it cripples

senator joe manchin democrat from west virginia says he would support a one-year delay for folks who do not want to be forced into the obama care arena. but the truth is, the senate and the president will never never going to do it. physical a compromise is not reached. >> break down essential services across the board a place completely out of control. there are some americans who don't care. but most of us do care. we don't want scorched earths and we don't want a government shutdown that would directly hurt many of our fellow citizens. so, it is that president obama and the republican leadership in congress must sit down and hammer out a deal. both sides have to give something here. those who will not compromise will be hurting the country and the american people will know exactly who they are. and that's the memo. in a moment, reaction from two congressman who were directly involved in the chaos. can we get out of this mess? that report next on the rundown. ♪ [ engine revs, tires squeal ] [ male announcer ] since we began, mercedes-benz has pioneered many breakthroughs. ♪ bre

there are other bipartisan measures that senators mengin and to me to the dhaka -- manchin and toomey would make universal the crowd checks a requirement and another was the proposal to criminalize the strong purchasing and make it punishable by 15 years in prison. another one was the law against gun trafficking, bringing the guns across state lines and criminals bringing them across. and that was also punishable -- >> guest: these are all ready against all. >> host: yet all of these amendments failed to reach 60 votes which were required under the debate. why would people who actually support strengthening such laws oppose them when they came to the vote in the senate? >> guest: i explained in my book the two different trains going down the track in the senate. you know, what happened in newtown was, you know, as you said, slaughter. i don't know what other words to use. one of the most terrific things that has happened in america. and it shattered everybody. but i find to be unfortunate is obama, president obama has had an anti-gun control agenda plan as dianne feinstein, before we

manchin: i sure do, senator. first of all, we all applaud president obama for bringing it to congress. we think this is the right place for these types of decisions. and with the consequences that we were facing and the repercussion there could be, we've come to a conclusion that any time of an imminent strike and the reaction from that would be greater than inaction right now. but doing nothing was not acceptable and that's how we did come to this, which is -- basically we call it the chemical weapons control act. and the thing about the chemical weapons convention that we felt -- and we've heard from diplomats -- this was the proper course. it was basically giving the assad regime 45 days -- ours is very straightforward -- 45 days to sign and comply. and that means you identify, you secure, and you start eliminating and destroying. and you cannot use and you cannot continue to produce these types of weapons. also in that 45-day period we've asked the administration and the president to lay before congress a pla

joining us now, senator joe manchin. senator. thank you for your time. >> how are you? >> i'm good. >> what is your takeaway overall how president obama laid out the problem tonight and america's role in a potential solution. how did you feel about snilt. >> -- about it? >> he came to the senate today at noon. we had a frank discussion. and i applaud the president for coming to congress. i really do. i implored him to come to congress. it was the right place to be for this most critical issue. which basically could lead to a war that none of us want to be entangled in again. i have said this, rachel. if military might and money would change the course and direction of that part of the world. 12 years, $1.6 trillion. thousand of americans have lost their lives. more have been maimed. we haven't made that much of a change over there. that's what was holding the american public back. that's what was holding west virginians back. they didn't want to repeat the same thing we had come through 12 years. with that said. nine days ago. ten days ago. we had the first briefing. se

joining us now, senator joe manchin. senator. thank you for your time. >> how are you? >> i'm good. >> what is your takeaway overall how president obama laid out the problem tonight and america's role in a potential solution. how did you feel about it. >> -- about it? >> he came to the senate today at noon. we had a frank discussion. and i applaud the president for coming to congress. i really do. i implored him to come to congress. it was the right place to be for this most critical issue. which basically could lead to a war that none of us want to be entangled in again. i have said this, rachel. if military might and money would change the course and direction of that part of the world. 12 years, $1.6 trillion. thousand of americans have lost their lives. more have been maimed. we haven't made that much of a change over there. that's what was holding the american public back. that's what was holding west virginians back. they didn't want to repeat the same thing we had come through 12 years. with that said. nine days ago. ten days ago. we had the first briefing. secre

joining us now, senator joe manchin. senator. thank you for your time. >> how are you? >> i'm good. >> what is your takeaway overall how president obama laid out the problem tonight and america's role in a potential solution. how did you feel about snilt. >> -- about it? >> he came to the senate today at noon. we had a frank discussion. and i applaud the president for coming to congress. i really do. i implored him to come to congress. it was the right place to be for this most critical issue. which basically could lead to a war that none of us want to be entangled in again. i have said this, rachel. if mill terry migitary might an would change the course and direction of that part of the world. 12 years, $1.6 trillion. thousand of americans have lost their lives. more have been maimed. we haven't made that much of a change over there. that's what was holding the american public back. that's what was holding west virginians back. they didn't want to tree perepe same thing we had come through 12 years. with that said. nine days ago. ten days ago. we had the first briefin

senator joe manchin joins us right now. thank you. let me just go through where you stand. do you deny there's any question or do you believe there's any question about whether saddam hussein used chemical weapons and he ordered the action? >> you mean president assad, chris. >> yeah. >> and first of all, his regime, i don't deny that the evidence they put forth shows that his regime used weapons, chemical weapons on civilians. to take it any further than that, assad is saying today with an interview we saw this morning that he didn't know about it or didn't order it. all we're saying is let diplomacy strike before we have an imminent strike. it's not going to send boots on the ground to make sure we've secured them. we could accidentally hit one of these weapons and cause more collateral damage which would enrage communities against us even more. i don't see an imminent threat to the united states of america. i think more diplomacy should be used. >> you know, on wednesday when you have to vote for cloture to decide this measure, how will you vote? >> if it's a procedure v

first of all, senator manchin, what is your proposal planning to do? because some people would say, wait, are they going to vote for force but wait to see if this works with the united nations? where do we stand? >> it's not my proposal, it's mine and heidi's working together as a collective team that basically wanted an opposes. all we kept hearing from everybody, the administration, we've got to have an imminent strike. wait a second, diplomacy has to have a chance to work. we brought the experts together. we kept talking about. we came back early last week so we could work and our staffs work together. we believe we have a great proposal that says 45 days join the world, join the chemical weapons convention, be part of 191 countries, identify, secure, and destroy and quit manufacturing any of these horrific weapons. it's a pretty easy thing to follow and it gives the president at the end of 45 days if they don't comply, he has basically the ability to use war powers act he has now. that's what we try to do in a very common sense approach. >> senator

and manchin says he hasn't talked with senate majority leader harry reid about whether they could proceed and democratic aids acknowledged that those five votes they need just still aren't there. senator manchin said also that even the mental health provisions included in his bill might not necessarily be able to go anywhere either, despite this new sort of shooting. if you'll remember, when we had the newtown debate, a lot of members up here, political figures were saying, if 20 children dying doesn't move us to do anything, what will? and the reality was, newtown didn't move the needle here in washington. >> let me bring in john rosenthal, you've been on a lot with us after newtown and the advocacy group you've done with your organization and this question perhaps with the details we know right now. it is a valid one. what laws could have prevented this incident yesterday. this is still developing and does this show that there's this frustration because we see this lull, if you will, in the fight to continue to bring up newtown and reasonable legislation that might prevent a tragedy, pe

joe manchin, senator manchin of west virginia said a week ago that he would vote to delay the individual mandate. you would have gotten manchin even vote and pryor's vote and begich's vote. why department you do that? >> there's still time. this is part of the legislative process and i would encourage them in the hours that remain to look at this honestly, to really consider what's in the best interest of the american people. this is a debate we've been wanting the senate to, have pushing the senate to have. harry reid, senator reid and president obama haven't wanted to negotiate anything or change anything. >> what happened to the medical device tax, congresswoman? what happened to that one, and did that one disappear and that was a problematic one because it opens a bigger hole in the deficit, $30 billion over ten years. >> the medical device tax is very important to us. we would like to see it repealed. the medical device tax is really threatening medical innovation moving forward, and the senate rejected it. it was very disappointing that they rejected that after 79 senators earlier

and if it is up to the guy who i guess saw this coming, then the senator, joe manchin pass out of here, the way forward is that the u.s. and the senate and the president should change tact to reflect this progress today. say yes to this offer from syria and russia. say yes to this offer from syria to come in from the cold and hand over their chemical weapons. lead the world in universal approval of that move. see to it that it happens and save the prospect of the use of force for if they don't follow through. if the world-riveting problem, if the problem the u.s. cannot ignore is chemical weapons, then what happened today should be and will be seized on as a way to fix that problem, not symbolically but actually, and not alone, but in concert with a unified international community. that was not possible before today, and all of a sudden, that is the thing that is at hand. opportunities like this do not come along very often, but the world will hang on the words of president obama in his white house speech tomorrow to see if and how he seizes this opportunity that has come his way. this

senator joe manchin joins us right now. thank you. let me just go through where you stand. do you deny there's any question or do you believe there's any question about whether saddam hussein used chemical weapons and he ordered the action? >> you mean president assad, chris. >> yeah. >> and first of all, his regime, i don't deny that the evidence they put forth shows that his regime used weapons, chemical weapons on civilians. to take it any further than that, assad is saying today with an interview we saw this morning that he didn't know about it or didn't order it. all we're saying is let diplomacy strie before we have an imminent strike. it's not going to send boots on the ground to make sure we've secured them. we could accidentally hit one of these weapons and cause more collateral damage which would enrage communities against us even more. i don't see an imminent threat to the united states of america. i think more diplomacy should be used. >> you know, on wednesday when you have to vote for cloture to decide this measure, how will you vote? >> if it's a procedure vo

i checked back with senator manchin's office. they say they have received 2,000 e-mails and phone calls overwhelmingly opposed and, brian, the people we met said they have a lot of compassion for the suffering in syria but so many doubts about what the u.s. can and should do. brian. >> kelly o'donnell starting us off from grand rapids, michigan tonight. kelly, thanks. >>> while critics tend to be more vocal than supporters in this, and we just saw some of that, all of this is adding pressure on the president to take his case directly to the american people, even as he takes the case to the world stage. tonight he's in sweden where he said today it wasn't just him drawing this so-called red line on chemical weapons. our chief white house correspondent chuck todd traveling with the president tonight. chuck, good evening. >> reporter: good evening, brian. well, the pressure on the president to speak publicly in some sort of official form primetime address, oval office style address to the nation, the pressure is coming from democrat

that joe manchin took the lead. manchin worked with the nra to write a -- >> the gun control legislation goes down in the senate. >> reporter: but after helping author this weakened alternative measure, the nra turned and and essentially killed that bill along with all the others. because this is what they do. and when the white house's attempt at gun safety went down to defeat, the normally unflappable was anything but. >> a all in all this was a pretty shameful day for washington. >> reporter: the state by state score card is hardly any better. since newtown, four states passed laws for a limited measure of gun safety. but gun safety measures in ten other states are in the process, many of them stalled. >> the nra wasn't satisfied with their efforts and one of the few states that passed a gun control law, colorado, the nra found its next target, two state senators who in a remarkable act of political kurjs supported three gung safety measures, including background checks and limiting magazines to 15 rounds. those

more senators like joe manchin moved into the no column. according to tracking by "the washington post," and of house members being tracked by the paper, more and more are solidly leaning no or against strikes altogether. advocates like senator john mccain are dealing with blow back in their home districts. republicans and democrats alike face angry voters in town halls this week with many constituents making it clear they do not want the u.s. to get involved. >> there's a moral and just people, we should not be continuing to make war. we should be looking for peace. >> you reallyize what you're getting our country into. this is what i think of congress. they are a bunch of marshall mellows. >> you can do it by diplomacy. and negotiation. not bombs, senator mccain. enough is enough. we do not want another engagement in the middle east. >> i would much rather use our taxpayers' money to take care of our vets coming home from the two conflicts we've already been in. >> i don't think i need to be lectured to about veterans. okay. >> you want t

obama's gun control agenda is forbidden as it should be. >> host: in that amendment that schumer and manchin and toomey -- >> guest: here's the thing. you have the irs conservative groups and the nsa spy spying on all of us and granting the record. no one anymore believes the federal government that the are not keeping records of you. if you do, you are being spied on. i will wake you i mean mailed now just hi, nsa. [laughter] hi, eric. so, we are living in a year especially in this year when it's come out how outrageous the government is in their privacy. so if you are a gun owner and i am a gun owner -- i am and i know my registered to beat co - registered -- i have zero doubt that they would like to go back to the ban if they go back to the ban my gun will not be grandfathered in and they would want to get it back. >> host: i wonder why they would see going back to the band. one of the more fascinating figures in your book -- and i forgot the exact number now is how few people have gone through the process you did and actually bought and registered guns in the district. >> guest: its abou

that joe manchin took the lead. manchin worked with the nra to write a -- >> the gun control legislation goes down in the senate. >> but after helping author this weakened alternative measure, the nra turned and and essentially killed that bill along with all the others. because this is what they do. and when the white house's attempt at gun safety went down to defeat, the normally unflappable president was anything but. >> a all in all this was a pretty shameful day for washington. >> the state by state score card is hardly any better. since newtown, four states passed laws for a limited measure of gun safety. but gun safety measures in ten other states are in the process, many of them stalled. >> the nra wasn't satisfied with their efforts and one of the few states that passed a gun control law, colorado, the nra found its next target, two state senators who in a remarkable act of political courage supported three gung safety measures, including background checks and limiting magazines to 15 rounds. those two lawm

coming up on "morning joe," senator joe manchin will join us. we'll talk exclusively to jay carney. "the washington post" booed woodward will join us and later, joe, did you order this up? >> i did. i did. i saw him on some program. he's growing things. >> what? >> he's growing things like, you know, like the much bigger scale. >> healthy organic plants? >> i think so. it's sort of a breaking bad cable news style sort of thing. except i don't think he has got cancer. this guy was the best in his day when everything was melting down, willie geist, do you remember? he came on and he talked about what people did in their bed. do you remember that, willie? >> i do. >> they messed their bed. he said dylan what happened on wall street? everybody just messed their bed except he didn't say mess. >> he said they are having -- >> dylan ratigan will be here thanks to joe. >> i like that. come on this show. i'll be in the caribbean. >> exactly. up next -- >> money party. i love that. >> that's a money party. up next the top stories in "the politico" playbook. but first here's bill karins with a

you had senator joe manchin on face the nation. we're going to play some sound from him in just a minute. just in general it doesn't feel like there is the political will at this point on capitol hill to move forward with any kind of substantive, broad based gun safety legislation. >> reporter: at this point, there isn't political will. >> there's a movement. i'm not going to go out there and just beat the drum for the sake of beating the drum. there has been to be people willing to move off the position that was taken. >> kasie, that was obviously senator joe manchin. >> reporter: there isn't any political will on capitol hill for this. manchin was, of course, leading the charge last time around to try and get background check legislation through congress in the wake of the newtown shootings. unfortunately some of what daniel was describing has become a reality. there were a lot of people who after newtown said if we don't respond in the wake of the deaths of these 20 children and the people who were teaching them, the country is

it's possible the manchin legislation could be voted down. most members of the house at least were leaning against voting for authorization. in his 9/11 remarks today, mr. obama suggested the country should have the courage to try diplomacy. >> let us have the wisdom to know while force is sometimes necessary, it cannot build the world we seek so with he we commit to the partnerships that builds respect, deepens trust and allows people to live in freedom. the. >>> wendell goler live at the white house. thank you. >>> meantime at the pentagon in new york and shanksville, pennsylvania and cross the country. thousands of americans got together to remember the victims of the deadly terror attack. 12 years after 9/11. drums, bagpipes, rang out this morning in the shadow of the rising world trade center towers. in an annual tradition, family members read the names of each person killed in the attacks from 1993 and 2001. many of those relatives included young kids for whom 9/11 has been one of the earliest memories for them. >> my father, william jo

senator joe manchin said he would bring up that legislation or something similar to it if hi had any hope. that said, one republican senator, the appointed senator from south carolina, tim scott, did tell tim stanton of busby today said i do understand that this person from the navy incident suffered from mental illness. perhaps we will have an opportunity to look at that. perhaps the fifth mass killing since the one in december will nak the difference. so far what's happened is that the democrats hearing on stand your ground laws and gun violence, that was put up for a day because of the massacre at the navy yard. but texas governor rick perry's simultaneous photo-op of him touring a gun factory in maryland, that was not put off. but it is very frequently inappropriate, it is very frequently the wrong tragic moment to discuss gun violence. because that's something we have to be really sensitive about and not talk about too much. joining us now is john stanton, washington bureau chief at buzz feed. thank you for being here tonight. you had a piece in buzz feed today, talking with mem

as julie manchin, there is a $35 consultation that is available -- as julie mentioned. >> any other questions? there are multiple languages available. vietnamese, tagalog, chinese. just to let you can receive assistance from some very qualified individuals. >> any other questions? if not, thank you very much for coming. [applause] >> this is smack in the middle of the tenderloin neighborhood where there are 50,000 people within walking distance. you see the kids that are using what's provided, but there is so much opportunity for this to be a stronger, more welcoming, healthier, cleaner, safer place for the people in this community to play. there are going to be new green areas, a full-size basketball court, outdoor fitness equipment, community gardens, a brand-new clubhouse. it's going to be a much more welcoming spot for a neighborhood that really needs it. ♪ ♪ >> (clapping) so this is a photograph of my father which was taken in 1986. it's one of the families farther photos it's the way i think of him. my father who could be very articulate was hesitate to speak about art. his own work

tax, there is no indication the democrats are anymore inclined to accept that -- >> except for joe manchin. >> yes, he said he may be up for a delay on the individual mandate. not the whole thing, but the individual mandate. now he says he is going to vote with his team. >> you know, when you do look at the polling data, a great many americans are opposed to de-funding obama care if it means closing the government. but they do like the notion of extending a one-year delay for the individual mandate. and i think that is because there seems to be a fundamental fairness associated with it. after all, big business got a delay, everybody got a waiver, including congress, so why not delay the individual mandate. isn't that more politically palatable? >> that has been a hugely effective argument for republicans. and you're right. it happened when barack obama unilateral delayed the mandate, it happened with big business, republicans said wait, big business protest and they give their delay, they get what they want and ordinary americans don't? that has been an effective argument. on the other han

senator joe manchin said he would bring up that legislation or something similar to it if he had any hope. that said, one republican senator, the appointed senator from south carolina, tim scott, did tell john stanton of busby today said i do understand that this person from the navy incident suffered from mental illness. perhaps we will have an opportunity to look at that. perhaps the fifth mass killing since the one in december will be the difference. so far what's happened is that the democrats hearing on stand your ground laws and gun violence, that was put up for a day because of the massacre at the navy yard. but texas governor rick perry's simultaneous photo-op of him touring a gun factory in maryland, that was not put off. but it is very frequently inappropriate, it is very frequently the wrong tragic moment to discuss gun violence. because that's something we have to be really sensitive about and not talk about too much. joining us now is john stanton, washington bureau chief at buzz feed. thank you for being here tonight. you had a piece in buzz feed today, talking with mem

one of the latest to do so is west virginia senator joe manchin, who said it is not the answer. >> the military strike in syria at this time is the wrong course of action. diplomaticaust all options and have a conference of plan before we act. russia, barackn obama is trying to drum up support among allies, even if one of his supporters, david cameron, has his hands tied following parliament's rejection of military action. let's move to the situation on the ground in syria. rebel fighters have withdrawn from a historic christian town in the heart of the country. several rebel brigades swept into the town on wednesday after overrunning a roadblock manned by troops loyal to the syrian regime. once --e no intention of staying in the area once the robot had been destroyed. let's cross now to damascus, and are respondent -- and our correspondent. what are they telling you? >> well, certainly there is a sense here that a strike is imminent. i spoke to very few people who believed it would not happen, although somewhere favorite ballistic and said it is in the hands -- some are very fatalisti

as julie manchin, there is a $35 consultation that is available -- as julie mentioned. >> any other questions? there are multiple languages available. vietnamese, tagalog, chinese. just to let you can receive assistance from some very qualified individuals. >> any other questions? if not, thank you very much for coming. [applause] >> thank you, supervisor farrell, for being here this morning, and also for your great partnership with the board of supervisors. carmen chu, you're helping us bring in the money already, thank you. assessor chu. (applause) >> london breed, thank you very much, supervisor, always a pleasure to work with you as well. all of you, friends, spouses, family, people who are just enthralled with this wonderful great city of san francisco like i am. thank you for all being here to witness and honor and thank the people who are stepping up with us to help manage this wonderful great city. thank you, chief hayes white, for being here as well, and other department heads and other commissioners, thank you for joining us as well. we have 25 individuals today who are sacrificing

we also heard yesterday from nra president, wayne lapierre and joe manchin who co-sponsored last year's failed bill to expand background checks. so let's take a quick listen to all of that. >> the whole country, david, no, sir the problem was there weren't enough good guys with guns. when the good guys with guns got there, it stopped. >> i'm not going to go out and beat the drum for the sake of beating the drum. there has to be people willing to move off their position. >> sometimes i fear there's a creeping resignation that these tragedies are somehow just the way it is. that this is somehow the new normal. we can't accept this. >> tim, the nra seems to be reading the same talking points. the president is again calling for renewed gun control efforts and one of the key lawmakers pushing for those efforts saying he doesn't have enough support so where do gun control advocates go from here. >> it does feel as if what obama said was true. it does feel as if periodic massacres are the new normal because the united states is absolutely paralyzed in its inability to pass any new forms of gun

and one of the things that has been out in the open, as you said, is a proposal by senators manchin and hide camp to conservative democrats to delay any military action for 45 days while they short of work the international community and assad and try to get them to turn over the chemical weapons. whether or not that specific language would go have to be voted on is a big question, but the idea of delay could be absolutely political cover for everybody and maybe most importantly, the president because we could, if it works, argue, you know what? we saber rattled. we scared them and we didn't have to use the actual use the might of the military. we just had to threaten it. >> dana, thanks so much. just fast-moving as we said. who knows where it's going to go from here. as you pointed out earlier, the u.n. secretary-general ban ki-moon saying he likes to entertain the idea. maybe they could set up places where the weapons could be gathered and destroyed. who knows what that means with the plan going forward. >> phil black in moscow, phil, explain to us how this could pivot here. this is s

as julie manchin, there is a $35 consultation that is available -- as julie mentioned. >> any other questions? there are multiple languages available. vietnamese, tagalog, chinese. just to let you can receive assistance from some very qualified individuals. >> any other questions? if not, thank you very much for coming. [applause] >> this is smack in the middle of the tenderloin neighborhood where there are 50,000 people within walking distance. you see the kids that are using what's provided, but there is so much opportunity for this to be a stronger, more welcoming, healthier, cleaner, safer place for the people in this community to play. there are going to be new green areas, a full-size basketball court, outdoor fitness equipment, community gardens, a brand-new clubhouse. it's going to be a much more welcoming spot for a neighborhood that really needs it. ♪ ♪ >> (clapping) so this is a photograph of my father which was taken in 1986. it's one of the families farther

just one day ago, i asked about the manchin idea you were just talking about there and reid's office was not even going to consider it for a vote unless it had to. things are changing quickly, even more so than our day to day lives here on capitol hill. >> by the second. let me bring in loretta sanchez, a member of the house armed services and homeland security committee. thank you for your time. you heard kelly o'donnell speak to how everything is rapidly changing. you were undecided but leaning no to the resolution that has been highly discussed. where do you stand at this hour as we await to hear more from the president this evening? >> well, i just emerged from the house armed services committee where we had secretaries hagel and kerry and joint chief of staff dempsey. i asked them very pointed questions. quite frankly got muddled answers or not very good answers back to the real question of what is our true interest now, why now, why this. how come? as most americans are asking and so i have not heard what i need to hear in order to be a yes for them. so i'm still leaning no and

manchin explained the proposal. off the shelf away from any human being being subjected to that again. next of all we said to president obama. president obama your administration in 45 days give us a plan what look like after if we do strike and what it might look like if we don't strike. >> tomorrow, president obama will visit capitol hill to have lunch with republican senators seeking support. shep? >> shepard: mike, the president is set to making his case to it even more republican lawmakers tomorrow. the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell's office revealed president will join g.o.p. senators at lunch to discuss this potential strike in syria. in the meantime though, president assad's troops over in syria today launched a new offensive to control historic christian village. where the deadly fighting has stretched on for many days now. in fact, that town has already changed hands several times from government control to rebel control and back again. [explosion] syrian state television provided this video showi

. >> yeah, but john, in april democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia said that he would revive a bill on background checks, even if it failed to pass the senate. now he says it would be, and i'm quoting him, ridiculous to try if there's not enough support. now, i put this to both of you. repealing the affordable care act for the millionth time, that's ridiculous. but i thought protecting the citizens of this nation, that was government's first job. >> well, to put a finer point on this, i mean, i think you're absolutely right. and the more pressure that these lawmakers feel from us, the more likely they will be to at least bring a bill to the floor, and at least try. but the reason that you see that all the nuance lost in this debate is -- even though as jonathan is pointing out, you see 73, 74% of nra members supporting background checks, what the nra does is they choose their candidate in a race and before election day, they send out these little postcards that say this person is with us and this person is against us. so all the nuances of our debate, of reasonable reforms th

and i do think you're going to have people like senator manchin coming forward again. i've been listening to the broadcast. we will have a rational and constructive conversation about security at military facilities. we will have a rational and constructive conversation about mental health issues and how we can prevent terrible events like this. why can't we have a rational and constructive conversation about firearms policy? we should be able to talk about all these things together and not have this perverse political correctness that says if it's guns, we can't do anything. >> well, what about that, tom? >> well, i think for those on the other side of this debate who have been saying we just need more weapons and more security, keep in mind this was on a military base. and i think you see the weakness of those arguments. we need to have this conversation and in communities around the country. you talked about 2014. it would be interesting to see whether this might have implications in 2013 where you see some house delegate races and this could be an issue in northern

senator manchin's office, it's running 101 against. >> i want to get your thoughts, michael steele. one thing i've noticed in town halls, the opposition here is not necessarily dove opposition. this is the idea of wait, wait, wait, wait, our economy is still very much in shambles. why are we even talking about this? you see from voters they're offended. >> to chris's point, you know, loathe to actually agree with my fellow democrat over here. but the fact of the matter is, he's right, there's a palpable anger. people connected the dots to the economy, to a global stage. everything now is coming to a clear perspective. and they don't like what they see. the unemployment numbers coming out today belie the fact you still have millions without unemployment. poverty rate is something else. all these things are connected for being tos. now we are talking about going to the next level in the middle east. to the congressman's point, he wants to make this costly for assad. okay, great. what's the cost to us? you know? are we going to really be -- can you tell us honestly, look us in the eye

joe manchin, met with the president today. did he say anything to you that moved the needle with regard to syria? >> well, not to move the needle for me with an imminent strike. i don't believe that's a direction we should be going. what he did say, first of all, i applaud the president for coming to congress and getting our input. i think it is the right move. i think he is listening. i don't think he or anybody else wants war or a strike if we can avoid it. with that being said, there was a better way. myself and heidi hight camp, we couldn't buy that there was an imminent threat. we wanted to have an answer. there had to be bear way. we said that should not, if chemical weapons got us to the brink, should we find a way to secure those weapons and take them off the shelf if you will? so they'll never be used on anybody again. that's what we came one, with asking assad, not asking but basically saying, you have 45 days to sign up with this resolution. that you will join the chemical weapon commission. then if you don't, the p

as julie manchin, there is a $35 consultation that is available -- as julie mentioned. >> any other questions? there are multiple languages available. vietnamese, tagalog, chinese. just to let you can receive assistance from some very qualified individuals. >> any other questions? if not, thank you very much for coming. [applause] >> this is smack in the middle of the tenderloin neighborhood where there are 50,000 people within walking distance. you see the kids that are using what's provided, but there is so much opportunity for this to be a stronger, more welcoming, healthier, cleaner, safer place for the people in this community to play. there are going to be new green areas, a full-size basketball court, outdoor fitness equipment, community gardens, a brand-new clubhouse. it's going to be a much more welcoming spot for a