chris matthews, tip and the gipper when politics worked. i love this. everybody out there should be reading it. the way it used to be. the way we can hope it can work again. chris, thank you. can you stay more and we will do more online. >> talking to an expert. >> you know what i want to talk about, chris matthew the character in this book. chris matthews, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> and you can head over to our facebook page at facebook.com/thelastword, for the rest of that interview. still to come here tonight, the real face of the government shutdown. we talk to a federal worker who john boehner sent home about what is really at stake. ike zer. and you can't beat zero. [ male announcer ] prilosec otc is the number one doctor recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 8 straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. frequent heartburn medicine for 8 straight years. at a ford dealer with a little q and a for fiona. tell me fiona, who's having a big tire event? your ford dealer. who has 11 major brands to choose from? your

i often wondered what was it look to work with chris matthews? in the congress? we who have been staff. i have an idea in here. when you tell the story about the night you melt ron hat rona. abut out to give the first statf the union address. you did something. i dent know any other staffer would have done. that's why we need a chris matthews right here. >> when the president comes to give the state of the union in the 80s. the holding room. green room in television, was by the ceremonial office. i had this desk in front of the office. like a mandarin. inside the room was the president of the united states. from the opposing party. i wanted to greet him. i went in and said. >> i have to tell america, i can't stress to you, america, enough, how there is no other staffer on capitol hill who would thing the president is waiting in the next room, to give the state of the union address. i think it's time to meet me. >> i walked in, i said, welcome mr. president to the room where we plot against you. and reagan said, oh, no, not after 6:00, the speaker says we're all f

today larry king hardball owes chris matthews fallon's although on the state of politics today it was considered perfectly normal thirty years ago for the opposition leader to represent the president how times if you knew it says you have to imagine bain or representing obama to putin unimaginable we are a country of compromise from the b. beginning when you hear the capitals in washington there was a pretty place to put a gavel it was a compromise between north and south plus you saying he could win the election oh no i think he will be closer than you think to hillary clinton because the country is split that's all ahead on larry king now. before you know him as the are really nothing to hold still hardball with chris matthews on m s n b c he was a top aide to house speaker tip o'neill during the president reagan administration and now chris has written a new book titled tipping the giver recounting his experiences of a time when two political opponents could work together for the benefit of the country always great to welcome him to anything i do chris matthews who i think i made y

and by guest chris matthews is the host of msnbc's "hardball." incidentally, "hardball--" not covered under obamacare. ( laughter ) the new york city opera is closing. it isn't over until the fat lady doesn't sing. this is the "colbert report. ( cheers and applause ). captioning sponsored by comedy central ( theme song playing ) ( cheers and applause ) stephen! stephen! stephen. >> stephen: welcome to the report, everybody. good to have you with us. thank you, ladies and gentlemen. ( cheers and applause ) thank you, ladies and gentlemen. thank you for being in here, out there, all around the world. ladies and gentlemen, i only have one question for you-- are you ready to get these bastards? >> yes! >> stephen: how long have they had a free ride? >> too long! ( laughter ). >> stephen: folks, thank you for being with us, on this, day two of the federal government shutdown and surprise, surprise. we're all still here. is there is nothing the government provides that cannot be replace the by an individual with a pine cone wielding dagger will require

if chris matthews got any more idiotic, he'd qualify as two chris matthews. finally, actor chris noth suggesting the tea party be horse whipped. >> if president obama is white, do we have a government shutdown? >> probably not. i mean, with these tea party guys, maybe, maybe it was inevitable, but there is something about obama that makes these people just intolerable. and i consider it to be un-american. >> i could point out to chrissy that shutdowns have occurred with white guys in charge. i'd like to see noth try whipping a tea partier. these examples on prove the lock step of the left willing to egg on race warfare. falsely screaming racist is left wing markism. it's a hate crime. it's driven by their own secret racism to ruin innocent lives. handle the rts cannot believe a challenge. it's why perverts start charities for kids. so why do they hate blacks? i don't know. they could be in the klan. that's why they wear the hoods. so you never know. it's friday. montage friday. >> i love montage friday. >> so we're going to have a montage. check it out. >> i

chris matthews, and chris math use. "tip and the gipper: when politics worked." we'll be right back. qu /uruuu ( cheers and applause ). >> stephen: that's if for the report, everybody. good captioning sponsored by comedy central captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org [announcer] hulk hogan hammering away... get him, hulk! come oulk! here comes the hulk! oh! hulk's the man. [deandra] i have a question, though. what's going on with hulk hogan's hair? it's blond and yet it's silken like that of a chinese man. ah, yes. that is hulk hogan's signature look-- blond chinese hair and the skin of a hot dog. it's awesome. the whole thing's fake, but it's really awesome. fake? what the hell are you talking about fake? it's not fake. those guys got bashed and bloodied. i've seen guys get pounded in the ring. it's still fake, though, dude. charlie, charlie, i was there once. i saw a guy pick up a trash can, smash it into a guy's head. blood went everywhere. okay, what is going on here? oh. right here he's going into a state of hulkamania. okay, now when he's

chris matthews, and chris math use. "tip and the gipper: when politics worked." we'll be right back. ( cheers and applause ). >> stephen: that's if for the report, everybody. good captioning sponsored by comedy central captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org charlie: thank you so much for taking the time to meet with us. mac: yes, this shouldn't take long. so, you'd like to buy a boat. yes, we have recently come into a considerable amount of money. now, we're not going to bore you with the details, but let's just say my friends here set off on a certain towel venture. - [bleep]towel.com. - yeah. actually, you're not supposed to talk about the name of it. that's true. yeah, technically, we're doing a couple things on the hush-hush from uncle sam. the point is we're flush. we are $2,500-flush, so don't worry about that. we'd like to take some of that money - and taste a little bit of the high life. - absolutely. we've also talked our friend here into throwing his entire life savings into the venture. that's right. you see, i'm in it for the lifestyl

before you know him as the are really nothing to hold still hardball with chris matthews on m.s.n. b c he was a top aide to house speaker tip o'neill during the president reagan administration and now chris has written a new book titled tipping the giver recounting his experiences of a time when two political opponents could work together for the benefit of the country always great to welcome him to anything i do chris matthews who i think i made you famous yes you did tell the story the heart of all and i viceroy discovered you driving across the country when everybody fell in love with your driving to do that was in about an hour long with god king hakon here is exhausting when there's nothing else to do driving their dances but then you start to have me on and you would be having you would have me on what you were first thought of as it would tip the first time we met was when you started the show on c.n.n. and we went up there was constant in your first guest was against you could you did mario cuomo anyway just kill who had made when we had to push on the first time we were go

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chris matthews. good to have you here tonight. congratulations on the success of this week. >> thank you. thanks, rache. >> when you hear ted cruz quoting ronald reagan, alluding to the quote about medicare without saying that's what it's about, reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times as president. what is it about the real history that is so dangerous to them that they have to invent revisionist stuff instead? >> fortunately, i kept a journal, president reagan kept a diary and there are records of what was the case. ronald reagan in his mind when he went to bed at night or thought about things was ronald reagan the commentator, but ronald reagan, the governor, ronald reagan the president was a very different kind of a fish. ronald reagan realized when he cut taxes too much that he won, he came back a year later and had the biggest tax increase in history. that doesn't get into the ted cruz record book. he realized that social security was a very popular program, and after trying to mess with it in '81 and '82, he came back in '83

chris matthews. good to have you here tonight. congratulations on the success of this book. >> thank you. >> when you hear ted cruz quoting ronald reagan, alluding to the quote about medicare without saying that's what it's about, reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times as president. what is it about the real history that is so dangerous to them that they have to invent revisionist stuff instead? >> fortunately, i kept a journal, president reagan kept a diary and there are records of what was the case. ronald reagan in his mind when he went to bed at night or thought about things was ronald reagan the commentator, but ronald reagan, the governor, ronald reagan the president was a very different kind of a fish. ronald reagan realized when he cut taxes too much that he won, he came back a year later and had the biggest tax increase in history. that doesn't get into the ted cruz record book. he realized that social security was a very popular program, and after trying to mess with it in '81 and '82, he came back in '83 with a very pr

chris matthews worked here in fran at both the chronicle and the examiner. he also worked in the capitol in the 80s as a top aide to the speaker of the house, chip o'neill. he had to work with conservative president president ronald reagan. he had to work on an embattled economy. doesn't that sound familiar? well, so, why are we not making that difference now? chris dissects new dynamics in his book when politics worked. >> how can there be a time when two opposites knew how to pray together, represent the country together, do business and get things done, even they disagreed a lot. >> the subtitle of this book -- . >> you mean idea the book came out first and then the government shoutdown? [ laughing ] bill o'reilly is the burning bush. he talks to god. >> we won't even go there. we know he is alive. when politics work is your subtitle. >> i am not going to be partisan, but the problem right now is this 30 or 40 members of the republican caucus eventually saying no is the philosophy right now. we are not dealing with the other side. if it has obama's name o

chris matthews, and chris math use. "tip and the gipper: when politics worked." we'll be right back. ( cheers and applause ). >> stephen: that's if for the report, everybody. good captioning sponsored by comedy central captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org -- >> from comedy central's world news headquarters in new york, this is the daily show with jon stewart. (cheers and applause) >> jon: welcome to the daily show, my name is jon stewart. we have a good one for you tonight. our guest tonight the lovely and talented kerry washington, the show from scandal, the show about a team, they love the scandal. as many off them know, a show about a team of competent professionals in our nation's capitol. it's-- fiction. i guess obviously we're going to be begin tonight as we have begun for the past three nights. with our continuing coverage of-- shutdown 2013! >> jon: all right, in the past few days you pay have developed an impression that nothing works any more, not only the government shutdown but the health care exchanges that its health care was supp

i'm pleased to have chris matthews back in the table. welcome back. >> you told me to write this story last time. >> rose: you went out and did it. >> i think it was a good time to do it because i was able to pull everything together. reagan kept a beautiful diary. >> rose: and he could write. >> he wrote beautifully and quickly and every time something happened with regard to tip he entered it. and i kept a diary-- not as good as reagan's, but a good one-- and i kept it to keep myself sane, it was such a tough job working with tip against reagan. >> rose: why? because reagan was so good? >> so good and i was brought in to help him

you want chris matthews job. i can tell. you want to be chris matthews. you never shut up like chris matthews either. >> why do you have pat i sies o? you don't want someone who pushes you on your arguments. >> you want a job at msnbc. i got it. now i know why you came here. >> fox has lower standards. i would rather have a job on fox. >> ooh, ouch. want to talk about low standards? do you want to go there? >> wherever you want. i'm here for an interview. where are you looking? who's over there? >> there is a camera over there that i'm turning to. >> it's a theatrical thing. you look over as if you are exasperated. >> next on "hannity" -- >> raising the debt ceiling is a lousy name which is why members don't like to vote on it. it makes you vulnerable in political campaigns. it doesn't increase our debt . >> comments like those are all too common. with the debt climbing the left wing ideology is more dangerous. not carlos dangerous. our friends from the five, bob and an degree i can't are here to respond to comments about the economy and more. and then we

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former o'neil speech writer chris matthews explores this historic friendship. how could politicianins today learn from them? chris matthews, congratulations. this is great. tip and the gipper. you knew them both. your insights as to how they worked around these problems, i was just jureading a section he about one of those alleged government shutdowns, which lasted hour, not days. it was a fight over the budget. as you're pointing out, there were appropriation bills then. a lot of the government stayed open. >> congress did its job. they would pass the bills by october 1st. there was some appropriations that hadn't passed. they had a cr back then. the other thing is these weren't like cataclysmic events. they were over quickly. as the congressman pointed out earlier, they did know they could deal with each other. the problem with this is it's almost like barbara tuckman and the guns of august. one side is making an ultimatum toward the other side. get rid ofbaby, if you will. they don't realize he will fight for this. i think the parallel here isn't a partisan

chris matthews was listening with me. we also have james clyburn who was kind enough to stick around for us. i'll talk to him in a moment about goegt white house this afternoon. chris, let me start with you about what we've heard there. it doesn't seem as if we've made any forward motion, especially if they kick the can o'kick the dead horse, better yet, of the aca. >> it looks to me like they're going to focus on the treatment of members of congress and their staff. i mean it's a very political issue. they're playing it politically of course, most people do at this point. it looks like that's what they want to end up with. they're trying to do something to make it look like members of congress are not getting a special break, although i never thought they were getting a special break. they were part of obama care like everyone else and the government is their employer and should be treated as the employer under obama care. i always thought it was a bit of a phony issue but sounds very good politically. i understand what

chris matthews, the host of msnbc's "hardball," which you can catch weeknights at 7:00 p.m. eastern. and before that, way back during the reagan administration when the democrats controlled the house of representatives, he was the chief of staff to legendary house speaker tip o'neill. in fact, chris has a new book out called "tip and the gipper: when politics worked." about how president reagan and tip o'neill actually compromised to get things done. wonder of wonders. i think it should be required reading. i'm enjoying it. chris is an old friend and philadelphian. welcome to "mad money," chris. how you been? >> thank you, jim, so much. >> i'm enjoying the book. when i read about social security, which i think is actually going to have a potential stoppage, neither man would ever even dream of that happening. everybody would come together. what has happened since then? >> well, they were -- they were at odds on social security. reagan had that strange history back in the '60s when he was very conservative, saying he wanted to become -- make the program voluntary, which of co

chris matthews, the host of msnbc's "hardball," which you can catch week nights at 7:00 p.m. eastern. and before that, way back during the reagan administration when the democrats controlled the house of representatives, he was the chief of staff to legendary house speaker tip o'neill. in fact, chris has a new book out called "tip and the gipper: when politics worked." about how president reagan and tip o'neill actually compromised to get things done. wonder of wonders. i'm enjoying it. chris is an old friend. welcome to "mad money," chris. how you been? >> thank you, jim, so much. >> i'm enjoying the book. when i read about social security, which i think is actually going to have a potential stoppage, neither man would ever even dream of that happening. everybody would come together. what has happened since then? >> well, they were -- they were at odds on social security. reagan had that strange history back in the '60s when he was very conservative, saying he wanted to become -- make the program voluntary, which of course scared the heck out of the liberals. and then of cou

at the pharmacy counter. >>> chris matthews is here. good to see you, chris. how are you? everybody knows chris is host of "hardball." got some good news, chris. it turns out that having "hardball" is now covered by obama care. >> time now for the sideshow. last night i had the honor of joining the dinner in new york city. it was the 68th time the event has been held since 1945 and honors the great al smith, who was the first roman catholic to be nominated for president. by a major political party. the dinner celebrates politics and religion while it may be buttoned up, the humor isn't. this year was no exception with stephen colbert making a characteristically hilarious keynote speech. >> i love being up here in the white tie section. it's a bit of a gated community. don't get me wrong, you people down there in, let's say, the black tie neighborhood are very nice. i love black ties. some of my best friends are black tied. and as a catholic engaged in the world of politics, i love this dinner has no separation of church and state. as the journalist theodore white put it, t

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comfort individualized. >>> chris matthews is here. good to see you, chris. how are you? everybody knows chris is host of "hardball." got some good news, chris. it turns out that having "hardball" is now covered by obama care. >> time now for the sideshow. last night i had the honor of joining the dinner in new york city. it was the 68th time the event has been held since 1945 and honors the great al smith, who was the first roman catholic to be nominated for president by a major political party. the dinner celebrates politics and religion while it may be buttoned up, the humor isn't. this year was no exception with stephen colbert making a characteristically hilarious keynote speech. >> i love being up here in the white tie section. it's a bit of a gated community. don't get me wrong, you people down there in, let's say, the black tie neighborhood are very nice. i love black ties. some of my best friends are black tied. and as a catholic engaged in the world of politics, i love this dinner has no separation of church and state. as the journalist theodore white put it, th

i'm pleased to have chris matthews back in the table. welcome back. >> you told me to write this story last time. >> rose: you went out and did it. >> i think it was a good time to do it because i was able to pull everything together. reagan kept a beautiful diary. >> rose: and he could write. >> he wrote beautifully and quickly and every time something happened with regard to tip he entered it. and i kept a diary-- not as good as reagan's, but a good one-- and i kept it to keep myself sane, it was such a t tgh job working with tip against reagan. >> rose: why? because reagan was so good? >> so good. and i was brought in to help him deal with reagan. he wanted to help make himself a better arguer in public and so he brought me in to beat reagan and he won. for six years it was my job to be hihi consiglierry. >> rose: let's talk about what was in the book. the ronald reagan you know --. >> the ronald reagan i know and met firsthand in -- when he came up to give the state of the union address in 1982, you get to the second year, he walked

i'm pleased to have chris matthews back in the table. welcome back. >> you told me to write this story last time. >> rose: you went out and did it. >> i think it was a good time to do it because i was able to pull everything together. reagan kept a beautiful diary. >> rose: and he could write. >> he wrote beautifully and quickly and every time something happened with regard to tip he entered it. and i kept a diary-- not as good as reagan's, but a good one-- and i kept it to keep myself sane, it was such a tough job working with tip against reagan. >> rose: why? because reagan was so good? >> so good. and i was brought in to help him deal with reagan. he wanted to help make himself a better arguer in public and so he brought me in to beat reagan and he won. for six years it was my job to be his consiglierry. >> rose: let's talk about what was in the book. the ronald reagan you know --. >> the ronald reagan i know and met firsthand in -- when he came up to give the state of the union address in 1982, you get to the second year, he walked i

i want to play it clip of chris matthews who is speaking to larry king about some of the fox news host. >> i'm watching fox. was megan kelly able to stay in the middle, or does she have to move over? there is a lot of group pressure in those places. i feel it, i think it is there. i think you know your audience that you're talking to. >> why do you think it is that networks, as chris matthews alleges, are pushing their host be more partisan rather than unbiased? >> this is pretty old school. it is demographics 101, basically. >> their average viewer is going to be more partisan on the left, especially with regard to controversies like the government shutdown, to be able to bring in that core audience and to bring in people in the french audiences who might just be using social media and other platforms to get their news, to pull them in. the average fox viewer is a white male in his early 60's. you can do all that stereotype games you want with that, but there is a reality there, that she will have to move over in some of the evening lineup to meet the ideological, raw meet demands of

you want chris matthews job. i can. you want to be chris matthews. you never shut up like chris matthews either. >> why do you always have patsies on? why do you not someone who pushes you? >> you want a job at msnbc. now i know why you came here today. >> fox has lower standards. i'd much rather have a job on female announcer: female announcer: save up to 35% and through columbus day, get three years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic, at sleep train's inventory clearance sale. ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >>> a new question about whether a murder could have been prevented if dozens of passengers on a busy train looked up from their cell phones. trace gallagher has more from the west coast bureau. >> reporter: we spoke to the d.e. a. who said the passengers were oblivious to their surroundings. this whole thing was captured on surveillance tape but the police won't re-elise the part where the suspect has the gun, only here on his phone. the d.a. gave me details and said the man had the gun by his side and waved it up by his fac

he wasn't around so i talked to chris matthews instead. chris has lived this stuff on the inside as a speech writer for president jimmy carter, and aide to tip o'neill. in his book "tip and the gipper" chris talks about the battles fought with reagan and ask him how politics changed since then and why and what is good or better about politic tuesday. i watched "hardball" forever. as i told chris after we spoke, i will watch more after hearing what he had to say and our discussion. chris matthews tonight and "up late." ♪ ♪ >> how do you think obama played his cards during the shutdown? >> correctly. because he didn't talk. it's like ike never talked about berlin. he said the russians can talk all they want. i am staying. i am not going to talk, not going to negotiate it, i'm staying. that doesn't always work. there is something with people in life, i do believe in luck, and i believe obama is a lucky guy. if i was a pundit, i better be careful. he does pull the rabbit out of the hat. when he won re-election he was pulling the rabbit out

you want chris matthews job. i can. you want to be chris matthews. you never shut up like chris matthews either. >> why do you always have patsies on? why do you not someone who pushes you? >> you want a job at msnbc. now i know why you came here today. >> fox has lower standards. >> fox has lower standards. i'd much rather have a job on could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. mmmhmmm...everybody knows that. well, did you know that old macdonald was a really bad speller? your word is...cow. cow. cow. c...o...w... ...e...i...e...i...o. [buzzer] dangnabbit. geico. fifteen minutes could save you...well, you know. >>> a new question about whether a murder could have been prevented if dozens of passengers on a busy train looked up from their cell phones. trace gallagher has more from the west coast bureau. >> reporter: we spoke to the d.e. a. who said the passengers were oblivious to their surroundings. this whole thing was captured on surveillance tape but the police won't re-elise the part where the suspect has the gun, only here on his

chris matthews says he can talk the about criminality, extortion, accuse them of chaos. make statements to try to rattle the markets. that's okay. he can talk about being extremists, talk about any language he wants to. but he's not angry enough. the problem is here that chris matthews doesn't understand the difference between the president and a community organizer. that's who we want them to be. cnn, republicans want to destroy government. watch this. >> it seems like the game has changed down there. used to be the two sides went at it. but at the the end of the day they believed in government. it seems what's motivating the republican party is the belief that government has to be destroyed. that it's just bad in and of itself. >> destroyed? what is he talking about? >> this is what the brother of the governor of new york will tell you. if you are opposed to obama care you want the to destroy the government. then cnn wonders -- >> we have to go. >> e fighting constipation by eating healthier, drinking plenty of water, but still not getting relief? try dulcolax laxative

you want chris matthews job. i can. you want to be chris matthews. you never shut up like chris matthews either. >> why do you always have patsies on? why do you not someone who pushes you? >> you want a job at msnbc. now i know why you came here today. >> fox has lower standards. i'd much rather have a job on fox. >> ouch. want to talk about low standards? really? check it out. i can't believe your mom has a mom cave! today i have new campbell's chuy spicy chicken quesadilla soup. she gives me chunky before every game. i'm very souperstitious. haha, that's a good one! haha! [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right. humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why at liberty mutual insurance, to policies come with new car replacement and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what ee comes standard at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? >>> a new question about whether a murder could have been prevented if dozens of

chris matthews says he can talk the about criminality, extortion, accuse them of chaos. make statements to try to rattle the markets. that's okay. he can talk about being extremists, talk about any language he wants to. but he's not angry enough. the problem is here that chris matthews doesn't understand the difference between the president and a community organizer. that's who we want them to be. cnn, republicans want to destroy government. watch this. >> it seems like the game has changed down there. used to be the two sides went at it. but at the the end of the day they believed in government. it seems what's motivating the republican party is the belief that government has to be destroyed. that it's just bad in and of itself. >> destroyed? what is he talking about? >> this is what the brother of the governor of new york will tell you. if you are opposed to obama care you want the to destroy the government. then cnn wonders -- >> we have to go. >> everyone breaks out laughing. >> up next, elisabeth hasselbeck. like our new snow cb and crab butter shrimp, just $14.99.

i'm chris matthews in new york. let me start tonight with this. it's interesting that the more this government shut down hurts and is seen hurting, the more you see john boehner out there on the media skillet the less you see of ted cruz. this is a pathetic example of a politician who's never gotten a positive piece of legislation passed but spends his time sabotaging government.

we heard chris matthews speak on our show last week and here's chris matthews back in august. >> the key political asset is the ability to sit in a room with four or five other people and accept the leadership. he doesn't have that. he never developed, a love, that's the right word, love of politics and other politicians to sit around and play cards and get to know them. nuances and how to get to them, their hooks and triggers and buttons and figure out how to work with some of them. >> obama is good at golf, but maybe he needs to get better at playing cards? >> it's probably a correct analysis of obama but i'm not sure how this gets fixed over cards. this is -- obama has already given in on the funding levels from the sequester? the reason that the united states isn't europe right now is because we didn't adopt the extreme austerity that you saw abroad in 2009 and 2010. but now he's kind of giving in on the absolute spending levels. the idea that at a time when the republicans saying, we want to keep the government open and not default on our debt and obama is saying, i want to keep