and somebody like clint bolick--his mentors are very interesting. one was a city councilman in his new jersey town who is the lone republican but was m--not much of a republican. he used to say, 'when you vote for the donkey or the elephant, that's what you get.' but was--was very much an embattled battler, if you will, of the--the democratic machine in the town. and he had a very sad ending in which the--the machine leaked some material about his personal life that destroyed him. anyways, clint sought him out as a mentor; later on, sought out cla--clarence thomas as a mentor. clarence thomas was a godfather to... c-span: at the eeoc? >> guest: at the eeoc. he's--he and clarence thomas would talk for hours about clarence thomas' grandfather and his experience trying to start a business. and this really shaped clint's approach to politics. c-span: what about david macintosh's mentor? >> guest: david macintosh had a--his mentors--a lot of his mentors i think were peers. they were the fellow founders of this federalist society who had grown up in more