>> guest: that was grover norquist. "witness"--i think people need to understand how important "witness" is to the conservative movement. whittaker chambers, of course, was the--the former communist operative who came clean and then claimed that alger hiss was also a communist operative. but his book was important to young conservatives in the '70s because hiss, at the time, was being defended by the liberalest--parts of the liberal establishment, who can sti--believed that he was innocent. he was a speaker on campuses. he was defended by the aclu, even though he had been convicted on perjury charges earlier. so for a young conservative looking at, 'well, is everything the liberal press tells me really right?' and if you read whittaker chambers, no. there is this--this bias of--there is this conspiracy if you--if you will, of these liberal ivy league gentlemen, who keep conservatives like us, anti-communists like us, down and who--who wrote off the--the--the whole problem of--i mean, get into that--the whole problem of-

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and what would republicans, grover, be willing to give for that? my question is, if you need some sort of revenue raised, i know you look at that as taxes, what if it's closing loopholes for cuts at this point to businesses or other special interests they're receiving right now, tax breaks. >> taxes are too high. economic growth right now sucks. you don't hit it again with more taxes. the republicans have laid out a clear plan. paul ryan wrote about it in the "wall street journal." we need long-term reductions in the unfunded liabilities on entitlements. the president and the democrats want more spending today. they think the sequester is stifling their spending. we can give them some spending today for significant reform in the future. >> that is something you're willing to give on. >> that's on the table, taxes are not on the table but spending -- >> but if -- if there's no tax revenue on the table, you're not going to have a grand bargain? are you willing to accept that? >> if the president only wants tax increases and doesn't want to reform ent

ned potter, abc news, grover's mill, new jersey. >> amazingly much more innocent time. this is an awesome point down here. apparently the number one show that night was not "war of the worlds" but an nbc show. but an nbc show, charlie mccarthy, edgar bergen and a ventriloquist act. people were riveted to the ventriloquist act. followed up bay crew member singing and that's when most people turned over to the cbs broadcast. >> it started as a dance music program and we interrupt this with a bulletin. >> they didn't see the announcement it was a dramatization and they just tuned in and heard this. >> so 75 years ago there were ventriloquist on the radio. was that skill necessary back then? wasn't it just a guy going. >> you are on the radio. how does that work? >> just a guy doing two different voices? >> did he even hold a dummy unless it was before a live studio audience. >> that might be the case. >> almost sounds like juggling on the radio. >> yes. look at them go. >> might have had a smoke. coming up, chris brown's major decision following his future following his la

ned potter, abc news, grover's mill, new jersey. >> amazingly much more innocent time. this is an awesome point down here. apparently the number-one show that night was not "war of the worlds" but an nbc show. it was charlie mccarthy -- charlie mccarthy, edgar bergen and a ventriloquist act. people were riveted to the ventriloquist act. followed up by a crew member singing and that's when most people turned over to the cbs broadcast. >> it started as a dance music program and we interrupt this with a bulletin. >> they didn't see the announcement it was a dramatization and they just tuned in and heard this. >> that was the only thing they know. here's my question -- so 75 years ago, there was a ventriloquist on the radio. was that skill necessary back then? wasn't it just a guy going. >> you are on the radio. how does that work? >> just a guy doing two different voices? >> did he even hold a dummy unless it was before a live studio audience? >> that might be the case. >> almost sounds like juggling on the radio. >> yes. look at the ball go. >> look at them go. >> the guy

is grover norquist right? or is rush limbaugh right? >> what i would tell you is this -- now is not the time for finger pointing and not i would tell you, in these, i try to learn in life. i lived the perfect life, i made my mistakes. when things haven't worked out the way i wanted them to. i tried to learn. i have no regrets on our policy or principle here. even myself as i look at i the last nine, ten months. i don't think my tone has been perfect everywhere we've gone. if you're going to work together as leaders, you have to be able to talk to each other. i think we have to work through that. frankly, i think the key to the future in the republican party is the focus on the things where we agree. none of us like obama care. we need to focus on those. >> i could not agree more. this fetishizing of tactics and who is conservative enough and who is too conservative is killing us. if you're not going to choose between rush limbaugh and grover norquist, wise decision, by the way, let me get to you weigh in. i think what we've seen over th

and we are going to get some reforms. >> grover, who cast the votes? who cast the votes, grover? >> well, for two years you had only democrats in the house, the senate and the presidency. they owned the entire tax policy and the senate policy. >> who cast the votes? >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> let's be factual. >> this is the only leverage they have. they don't have a way to bring up the problems with obama care. this is the ridiculous part about all this. we all know that the shutdown is incredibly unpopular. republicans know that. but democrats also know that there's huge problems with obama care. democrats know that. and neither party is doing anything about it. >> we're going to continue this discussion as soon as -- grover norquist, thanks for being on. let us know what you think. follow me on twitter #ac360. later is the government shutdown bad for the country but also dangerous for homeland security. our panel weighs in ahead. americans take care of business. they always have. they always will. that's why you take charge of your future. your retirement. ♪ ameriprise a

joining us we have grover norquist. thank you for being with us, grover. you started a new website to prosecute this case and i believe the web address is obamacare cover-up.com. them's fighting words. do you really think it is a cover-up or is it just cluelessness? >> no, clearly the government knows how many people have signed up. they've chosen not to tell us. i understand why they keep secrets about wiretapping americans and so on a secret, they don't want the russians to know or the syrians to know. but why would you keep secret comic people have signed up for government program that we are all paying for? 20 new taxes to pay for obamacare. you may think you have health insurance and therefore this obamacare is about other people, not you. you are paying for it. every american has a right to know what's going on. there's no reason to reason to s information. we tell doctors you are not allowed to lie to patients now the government decided will be the doctor, it has to stop fibbing. dennis: they came out and we will announce monthly numbers, not daily

in an interview with ezra klein, grover nor quist -- >> i love grover. liberals hate him. i love the guy. willie, you know he was defending ted cruz. >> right? >> sort of. i don't know. >> what did he say? >> republicans were united in wanting to repeal obama care. >> right. >> but that senator cruz went after legislators who didn't follow his strategy adding -- he accused cruz of, quote, pushing house republicans into traffic and wandering away. >> he does have a strategy, ted cruz. >> what's going on? >> ted cruz's strategy is he wants to be either a presidential nominee or part of the presidential process. he has no strategy to get along, make friends and produce legislation in the senate. for senators who think a freshman comes in, makes friends and tries to work with his own party if not people across the aisle, this is not his strategy. he is now well known and doing well in fund-raising and well known with the base and in texas. his strategy is all about 2016. has nothing to do with getting anything done in the senate. i was on "morning joe" at 6:00 in the morning t

>> the argument that grover is making -- >> why? >> is it not a legitimate tactic in american politics that you don't like a policy that has been ratified by the supreme court to say we are going to shut down the government and only allow the parts of the government we agree with to go forward. >> more that half of debt ceilings have had efforts to restrain spending attached to them. >> we haven't had a government shut down in 17 years. >> we have never had a debt ceiling default. go ahead. >> i have just come back from overseas and overseas people are completely gob smacked. they can't believe this. the financial times headline is united states flirting with self destruction. that is just the shut down. now with the idea of a default people are freaking out. the markets hate what speaker boehner said yesterday we are not going to pass a clean debt ceiling bill. do you know what makes america a superpower? what makes america a superpower is not just its military and democracy but it's great confidence in finances. and if some petty

., and that verb is groverize. host: mr. corn. guest: ok, well there are a lot of charles schultz peanuts questions in that -- references in that question. but the heart of it is who is grover norquist and why pay attention to him. he's been a republican strategist an lobbyist as well for a deck -- for decades here in washington. he created the americans for tax reform group which as has gotten house republicans particularly, senate republicans too, especially congressional candidates to pledge not to raise any taxes. he put the fear of grover, at least, into them when it comes to considering raising revenues to do something like deficits. and we've heard repeatedly from, you know, centrists and moderate republics that the republican party is too in hock to this anti-tax pledge. and that gets in the way of coming up with maybe a grand bargain, that the president would like to see in terms of dealing with entitlements and tax revenues to deal with long-term debt issues. and it really has put a bit of a monkey wrench into the work h

. >> all right -- >> grover, i can hear moaning. is it true or not any republicans have taken any advertising out directly targeting the younger brigade who may be tempted by obama care and telling them not to do it? >> look, what happens with trying to get the younger people, obama care tries to force younger people into the government program, and the government program is very expensive for younger people. it's particularly worse off than what you had before, and the study that i was quoting, vick roy and you can go to the website, the manhattan institute and look at your state and compare apples to apples and the cost of the health care that you can buy today you'll have to buy under obama care is going up almost doubling for men, up by 60% for women, that's why they are having trouble getting young people and 40-year-olds to buy into this program. it's not a very -- >> republicans -- >> listen, they supported obama -- >> which is why it's a good idea to delay it. >> call me old fashioned, every single doctor i talked to say it'

ladies and gentlemen, it's indescribable. >> the people of grovers mill fell for it 75 years ago. today they revel in it. >> a survey found that two-thirds of listeners believe there was a real alien invasion. years later orson welles apologised saying he didn't realise the program would be broadcast nationwide. >> earlier i told you about the storms in texas. streets in austin are flooding in that area as well as many parts of north eastern texas. it will continue tonight and tomorrow. the frontal boundary and the storm is not going anywhere. all the way through friday the storm will push to the eest. a lot of warm area behind it and in front of it. as we go towards the south there'll be more rain and up towards newark. the winds will be the biggest problem. tropical storm force winds will be seen across the great lakes. 60 miles per hour towards the south. trees are going to be branches falling off powerlines going down. we'll see a lot of people without power over the next couple of of days. it will take a while, through the weekend to get it up. as we drove towards friday, dep

. >> all right -- >> grover, i can hear moaning. is it true or not any republicans have taken any advertising out directly targeting the younger brigade who may be tempted by obama care and telling them not to do it? >> look, what happens with trying to get the younger people, obama care tries to force younger people into the government program, and the government program is very expensive for younger people. it's particularly worse off than what you had before, and the study i was quoting, you can goo to the website, the manhattan institute and look at your state and compare apples to apples and the cost of the health care that you can buy today, you'll have to buy under obama care is going up almost doubling for men up by 60% for women. that's why they're having a difficult time getting young people and 40-year-olds to buy into this program. it's not a very -- >> republicans -- >> listen, they supported obama -- >> which is why it's a good idea to delay it. >> call me old fashioned, every single doctor i talked to say it's basical

whatld like you to explain role grover norquist has an washington, d.c. and where there in washington, d.c.? there are a lot of charles schultz peanuts references in that question. is, who ist of it grover norquist and why does anyone pay attention to him? grover has been a republican for decades here in washington and he created the american tax reform group which andgotten house republicans senate republicans, two and congressional candidates, to pledge not to raise any taxes. of grover the fear into them when it comes to considering raising revenue to do something about the deficit. we have heard repeatedly from centrists and moderate republicans that the republican party is to in hock to this anti-tax pledge. that gets in the way of coming up with maybe a grand bargain that the president would like to see in terms of doing entitlements and tax revenues to deal with the long-term debt issues. a bit of aas put monkeywrench into the works here which is what grover wants to do. that he wants to decrease the size of government so it becomes so small that y

the grover norquist stood out. this was the political story. >> on the other hand, you get nothing if you're fragmented. you get nothing if you're turning on each other. if you're turning on each other, that generates stories that are all about that. if you stand together, it generates stories about harry reid and world war ii veterans. >> right. >> and you -- >> if you kick the shiny soccer ball it generates stories about that. he have you go and pull up stunts like pulling out a check to pay for the security guards at the world war ii memorial. >> once upon a time, the party leadership was actually the group people had to conform to. where it is going in the exact opposite direction now, so people can form into a minority of the republican party. but there is unity, sure, but unity in marching in the wrong direction. >> here is the trouble with unity, lizzie, you covered capitol hill and the financial markets, if they're getting more unified they're getting more unified in the run-up to the debt ceiling fight. >>

. >> host: and jack london and grover cleveland are also in "the accursed." >> guest: yes. jack london is a friend of upton sinclair, and they're both socialists. >>e >> host: where do you get your p ideas? >> guest: i came to live at princeton, and i perceived in the biographies a portrait of a person much different from the m sort of received notion of woodrow wilson as this model person. i saw that he had many flaws, and i saw that hismany self-righteousness, his saw rectitude, his condescension toward negroes, he called black people negroes and toward women, i thought really needed to be examined. >> host: joyce carol oates, do you have any idea how many books you've sold? >> guest: no, i don't have idea. >> host: do you have any idea how many awards you've won? >> guest: no. i don't sit around counting i them. i don't. >> host: how do you write? what's your writing process? >> guest: i try to write very early in the morning, and ini basically love to write. to me, it's very exciting. rig i feel i'm organizing thoughts that may be incoherent andt chaotic and funneling t

and then at the same time, you have conservative activist grover norquist. he's blaming the opposite crowd. he says if you make a mistake as big as what they did, the ted cruz crowd, you owe your fellow senators and congressmen a big apology and your constituents because they did essentially nothing. now who is right? is grover norquist right? should you take his lessons or is rush limbaugh right? who's right? >> what i will tell you is this. now is not a time for finger pointing or punditry on finger pointing at least for me. i will tell you this. i try to learn in life. i haven't lived a perfect life. i've made my mistakes. when things haven't worked out the way i wanted them to i've tried to learn. i can tell you, i have no regrets on our policy or principle here. but even myself as i look at it the last nine, ten months. i don't think my tone's been perfect everywhere we've gone. if you're going to work together as leaders you got to be able to talk to each other. so i think we've got to work through that. frankly i think the key to the future of the rep

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people like grover norquist is not a fan. people like john mccain are no friends of his at this point. when you have norquist, and he is sort of the money guy, the repeal all the taxes guy, that does not help him very much. we will see what happens with him over the next couple of years. everyone focuses on iowa. just ask president huckabee or santorum how good it is to win iowa in terms of your chances in the general or even your chances in the republican party primary fight. ultimately those chamber of commerce republicans really do matter. >> and what strikes me is there is safety in numbers, political safety, and so coming out against ted cruz, you have a lot of company in the republican party if you do that. >> that's the key part. he got to take this dance out farther than the incumbent establishment wanted. it blew up in everyone's face and they will continue to hang that on him. that's why we're seeing the louder noises and seeing bainer and mcconnel saying -- they don't always single him out but they say we're not do

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. >> and now, even grover norquist. creator of the infamous taxpayer protection pledge, being targeted for speaking out against ted cruz' shutdown. >> cruz pusheded the republicans out into traffic and then wandered off. he told them it would be safe, it wasn't. he told them it would work, it didn't. he needs to apologize to all the republicans who he misled. >> that was enough for glenn beck this week to declare all out war on norquist. >> i started to talking to people and they said, oh, no, he is a really spooky guy. don't take him on while you're taking on george soros. >> the focus affects attention that norquist is an operative for the muslim brotherhood. >> he is the guy responsible for a lot of the muslim brotherhood stuff that goes on in the white house now. >> it's an old smear stemming from the fact norquist's wife is muslim. it's about more than a conspiracy. >> if you're for the constitution of the united states of america, that's our divided line and there are too many in the republican party, so let's cle

. >> all right -- >> grover, i can hear moaning. is it true or not any republicans have taken any advertising out directly targeting the younger brigade who may be tempted by obama care and telling them not to do it? >> look, what happens with trying to get the younger people, obama care tries to force younger people into the government program, and the government program is very expensive for younger people. it's particularly worse off than what you had before, and the study that i was quoting, vick roy and you can go to the website, the manhattan institute and look at your state and compare apples to apples and the cost of the health care that you can buy today you'll have to buy under obama care is going up almost doubling for men, up by 60% for women, that's why they are having trouble getting young people and 40-year-olds to buy into this program. it's not a very -- >> republicans -- >> listen, they supported obama -- >> which is why it's a good idea to delay it. >> call me old fashioned, every single doctor i talked to say it'

what do you say to grover norquist. >> grover's inside the beltway. he needs to go out, as with all these or senators, particularly folks like john mccain who -- at the end of the day, obama care is bad for america, washington exempted themselves, u.s. senators still do not have to be on obama care. 1 that's a real issue here. i wouldn't want to be mark pry yor and say, i still get to keep my goldplated health care plan to his voighters, that will be a real issue. >> do you still have confidence in the speaker of the house? >> i think he actually did a pretty darn good job. the problem is there's 20 or 30 or 40 moderates. they're just like every other republican. they went home and said they're going to phyto'bama care and then whine about the debate and battle. washington is a big town. people can disagree, but don't tell the constituents europosed to obama care and then be like john mccain and attack those who are actually working against it. whether washington, d.c. -- i was disappointed that the washington, d.c. establishment won this round, but a

. >> what about grover norquist? he is pretty powerful. i think it is it was very possible to delay for a year. until cruz came along and crashed and burned. say that, i said crashed and burned. that's incredibly harsh from a guy who is as conservative as it gets on money matters. does it worry you at all trying to rally the serve base. but talking about crashing and burning. >> to paul's point of barack obama being reelected, the way he was reelected is because we had a candidate on the republican side that overstepped and disconnected with the republican base which is why they stayed home. that's something the republicans need to learn, to reach their base before they try to go to the middle. the president's polls have been sinking because the president refuses to negotiate with republicans. to grover's point, i don't think they would have been to the point of demanding anything out of this administration had it not been for mike lee and ted cruz taking stand. >> i want to give you the final word. i have to ask you this. he is not there

jonathan, if i might begin with you, grover norquist, the president of americans for tax reform, compared the shutdown to the iraq war. he says the people who brought you the shutdown are the same people who said plan: step one, invade iraq. step two, it turns into kansas. could i ask if there's anything between step one and step two oh ye of little faith? what do you think of that? >> well, it's amazing to me that people actually in the house actually believed senator cruz and senator lee when they told them that if you lead the charge to repeal, delay, defund obama care, we will deliver the votes for you in the united states senate to make it happen. and no one in the house thought to think that -- thought to ask the question how is that going to be possible when democrats control the senate. and if by some miracle this were to happen, a democrat controls the white house, who under no circumstances would even sign that bill into law. that's what i'm trying to figure out. who were these people who thought that the cruz-lee strategy would actually work. >> yes, indeed we are still looking