i like john boehner. i happen to think that he is a good american and wants the government to really do what we're supposed to be doing. is that we're helping people where people can't be helped any further by their own initiatives. i personally believe he is in for a sad awakening next year. and i would like him to stand up and say let's have a clean vote on the budget. that is what we need right now. let's get on with the other issues of the debt and the other issues of where this country is going in terms of its investments. if you look at the last four months in terms of economic growth. if you look at the housing prices and where mortgages are going and where -- now we have a decline, thank god, in foreclosures. we're going in the right direction. but these republicans don't want this president to succeed. and that is where it is at. people are not dumb. they can understand this. i support the health care act, i think it is going to work. they don't want it to be successful. why not? should they have

that's john boehner. >> was that you, howard dean? >> this is sam. >> go ahead. >> i wanted to say this internal republican caucus mellow drama, they don't exist in a vacuum. i understand he needed to solidify his control over the house and maybe playing this out was the way to do it but in the process many thousands of lives were disrupted and many people were hurt in their personal lives and professional lives. we talked to a number of scientists whose research may have been damaged because they couldn't operate in the government run facilities they normally use. these are not things you should take as power struggling or political manipulation there are costs to these decisions. s & p said it was $24 billion in lost economic activity. was this worth playing this out? >> those are tough -- >> let's go to gene robinson on this. what is the country's verdict going to be on the $24 billion cost of the lesson that john boehner had to teach young republicans? >> well, look, the country's verdict is clear. every poll we've seen shows that

i like john boehner. i happen to think that he is a good american and wants the government to really do what we're supposed to be doing. is that we're helping people where people can't be helped any pertain further by their own initiatives. i personally believe he is in for a sad awakening next year. and i would like him to stand up and say let's have a clean vote on the budget. that is what we need right now. let's get on with the other issues of the debt and the other issues of where this country is going in terms of its investments. if you look at the last four months in terms of economic growth. if you look at the housing prices and where mortgages are going and where -- now we have a decline, thank god, in foreclosures. we're going in the right direction. but these republicans don't want this president to succeed. and that is where it is at. people are not dumb. they can understand this. i support the health care act, i think it is going to work. they don't want it to be successful. why not? should t

john boehner used to be dr. jekyl and now he's mr. hyde. the john boehner that nine times avoided some kind of national tragedy by allowing democrats and republicans who are sane to get together and pass a bill, that's the same john boehner that wouldn't let lee even rename a bill last friday, saying, yes, we're doing this piecemeal thing, but we would much rather be doing a comprehensive and clean cr. he wouldn't even let me rename the bill that way. and that's the john boehner we're facing right now. i think john boehner has to go. >> so why are the democrats even entertaining negotiation at this point with mitch mcconnell, when a clean bill is sitting right there to open up the government? i mean, what could -- i mean, what could they possibly be talking about? why give anything to the republicans? you have been in business. you know what confiscatory rates are. sometimes you lose everything. sometimes you have to just do what you've got to do for the good of the order and for the good of the company. well, for the good of the country ri

more than john boehner does. and that's why boehner turned tail. this isn't just if you do what we want you to do we will contribute money to your campaign or if you don't do, then maybe we will run some ads against you. as david is saying they are the ones with all the influence among the base. it's not really the outside groups that these congressmen are fearing. it is the rabid republican base in their districts coming up and showing up at town halls and screaming at them. >> listen, you can't count on outside groups. >> david, there used to be a center of both parties that resisted the impulses that were coming from the left edge of the party and there was also a conservative edge of the democratic party represented by senators that we no longer have. and just like the republican party used to have the different factions. this thing you describe as just a handful. >> john boehner has absolutely no leverage over this radical band of jackals within his own party. they worry about coke money. they don't want it against them. they don't care about

that was a sad john boehner, that was a dejektsed john boehner. he had one thing to say. he's usually quite jovial with reporters. he didn't want anything to do with us. he wanted to go to bed or plot the next step. one of the more underreported stories here on the hill is these federal workers are going to be furloughed. there's no guarantee they get their pay back. you're from dc. you know how many federal workers there are in the area. there's a real worry that because of the appetite for cutting spending in this congress, you can see this shut down go on for a few days and these phones be presefolks be p the house republicans saying why should we pay you when you didn't work. but as far as where we move on from here your guess is as good as mine. apparently, that was supposed to be the magic bullet that was going to solve that. harry rooeeid is going to table later on today. they're still going to have to pass a clean cr bill. it's a question of when, not if. and we don't know. we do not know. there could be some more riders attached on the bills going back to the sen

what a tragic figure john boehner is becoming. of thein as the suon barkeep with 11 brothers and sisters. he wept at the time and he must be weeping now. how did this happen to me? >> the question is to go out with a blaze of glory, i am going to give up my speakership but we are going to move past this impasse and it must be attractive to him for the reasons margaret said. it is not like the job is that great. you're hanging onto a job where you are rick -- subject to ritual humiliations. >> he is saying we will not default on the debt. maybe this is his moment. >> the rollout of obamacare. >> more choices, more competition, and in many cases, lower prices. most uninsured americans will find they can get covered for $100 or less. >> and terms of news coverage, the shutdown completely overshadowed the very thing house republicans are trying to reverse, the affordable care act, obamacare. there were glitches as kathleen sebelius says, that we did not talk about that because we had this other thing, this huge elephant up here. >> fo

the treasonist, john boehner. they will shut down the government and they will not pay the bills to get their way. >> what about williams and brokaw and lawyerer think of this knucklehead. >> i've got to tell you, sean, that's what carl marx believed. >> and today's top trender, ryan's hope. >> i'm very proud of my pro life record. >> paul ryan adds the war on women into the shutdown debate. >> we need to completely rethink government's role in health care. >> there is an extreme faction in the house of representatives that just can't let this go. >> we don't want a country where abortion is simply outlawed. we want a country where it isn't even considered. >> so sean hannity goes to name calling on big eddy. sean, wherever you want to debate, you name the place, the time, you can even take the gate, because i know you like doing that kind of stuff, okay? come on. give me a chance, sean. let's see if i'm the knucklehead that you think i am. let's have a debate, handy. certainly you're punching up, in my opinion. i

john boehner was there a moment ago. i want to get straight -- mitch mcconnell, i believe, is speaking. he is getting into his suv. let me get straight to jim acosta who is at the white house. we saw john boehner speak. who else spoke? a 90-minute meeting. what happened? >> all we've seen so far, you caught me poking down the driveway for a few moments. all we've seen so far is house speaker john boehner coming out of west wing. he gave a very brief statement saying at this point, the white house will not negotiate over this shutdown that is now into day two. obviously, house republicans would like to see some sort of concession on obama care. the president, if you listen to what john bain her to say right after this meeting, the white house is not offering that. what john boehner said, he still wants to have conferrees pointed. what does that mean? what house republican wos like to have the senate do is send members from the senate into a joint house senate conference to try to work out some sort of agreement. senate de

john boehner, nan seep pelosi. could have got in, 100, 180-some democrats, 190-some democrats to vote for this deal. they wouldn't have needed to shut the government down. wouldn't have needed to rattle the markets. wouldn't have needed to send hundreds of thousand home from work. shutdown from the republican party was a healthy thing the they felt the pain of it. they saw their poll numbers go lower than they had gone before. they caved. the boehner room is dead. the house rule is suspended. they actually did the entire fold here. so, i do think that when this next deadline runs out, it is possible we may not see a deal from the budget committee, possible we will do more short term extensions and things like that. the likelihood of the republican party will think it can do a shut don or down or debt ceilin reduced. i think there is a lesson learned by many in the gop here. that's actually valuable. >> mark patterson. i read earlier in the show, a series of threats that were issued today by right-wing lobbying grou

up next, speaker john boehner. we'll bring that to you live, straight ahead. [ male announcer ] this is claira. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for her, she's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with her all day to see how it goes. [ claira ] after the deliveries, i was okay. now the ciabatta is done and the pain is starting again. more pills? seriously? seriously. [ groans ] all these stops to take more pills can be a pain. can i get my aleve back? ♪ for my pain, i want my aleve. [ male announcer ] look for the easy-open red arthritis cap. >>> we're awaiting a statement from house speaker john boehner any moment now. and here he comes. here he is. >> a pleasant conversation. although i have to say, i was disappointed that the president refuses to negotiate. when it comes to the issue of funding our government, the house has passed four bills. four bills to fund our government and provide fairness to the american people under obama care. each of those four bills was rej

three weeks ago john boehner wanted to cave on this. he's been forced by his caucus not to give that up. what is he supposed to discuss in a negotiation with the president? the president is going to say i'm not doing something that delays or defunds obama care. boehner has to say i'm not authorized to another gate on that. >> ryan lizza, you have a very good point. >> i want to add thing. >> >> the point i would make to you, are we dealing with essentially two quite weak leaders here? >> yes, look, i think there's something to that. i don't want to suggest that there aren't major differences between obama and boehner and a major problem with their relationship. there are incredible differences between the two parties. all i'm saying here is, we should never shut the government down and one party, whether it's democrats or republicans shouldn't use the threat of a shutdown to get their way to get their policy. all you have to do is pass a continuing resolution and 800,000 employees won't be out of jobs tomorrow or at least temporarily. i

does john boehner bring that up? and if he does bring it up, do democrats vote for that and does it pass? >> we have got to see what the final deal looks like, but essentially we're expecting something that we can vote for that comes from the senate that is a john boehner product. and john boehner has to decide whether or not he wants to let the full house vote and try to pass it with 218 votes of the whole house or whether he wants to cling to his speakership and insist on it being 217 votes from his members, driven by tea party extremists who think -- who have literally separated themselves from reality. >> people should beware of the math here. if john boehner wants to pass something with just republican votes, he's only about 18 votes he can lose, and there's 80 people that signed the letter to defund obama care. so if nancy pelosi says i'm not giving you any democratic votes and john boehner only has to pass it with republicans, he basically has to bring it to the floor and get democrats to bail him out. >> he c

that was a sad, dejected bonn boehner. that was a john boehner who had one thing to say. he is usually jovial with reporters, likes to talk. he didn't want anything to do with us tonight. he wanted to get to bed or plot the next move about how to keep the government open. as far as that question i posed to him, alex, one of the under reported stories here on the hill is these federal workers who will be furloughed. there's no guarantee they get their pay back. you are from d.c. you know how many federal workers there are in the dmv area. i was speaking to a few of them today and there is a real worry because of the appetite of cutting spending in congress you could see it go on a few dans these folks be presented with house saying why should we pay you for days you didn't work. but where we move on from here your guess is as good as mine. the idea to move from confer rhees, that prized them. they didn't see that coming. that was supposed to be the magic bullet that was supposed to solve this. harry reid will table that later on today. the idea is they have to pass a clean

poll numbers took this hit, john boehner passes a vote with democratic votes. his standing as speaker in the house g.o.p. conference has never been stronger. the conservatives love the fact he rallied for him for the last three weeks and that gives him the political capital down the line not to where inning the country through another ordeal such as this one where $24 billion is wasted due to a shutdown often all of the things that chris was saying in the segue to your program. but i think that the democratic strategy of not negotiating over what should be a routine matter normally which is raising the debt limit and funding the government that's a strategy that paid dividends. i expect joe biden to be kept at camp david on big time negotiating weekends like he was the last few days. >> on the issue of how the right is handling republican leadership now you are right that we have seen these insurgent tea party conservative republicans who caused all of this hassle for john boehner saying we love him more now. but you have the tea party patriots and club for gro

boehner. >> what a speaker has to do is get the job done. ♪ >>> john boehner spent the day proving to the crazies in his party that it is impossible for anything that the crazies want to pass the house of representatives. first, boehner and the leadership offered republicans in the house the option of voting on something similar to the senate agreement with the difference being some changes to the affordable care act. it quickly became clear in their meeting that republicans did not have enough votes to pass that. then, john boehner, offered republicans the option of maybe voting for something like the senate deal, but with simply a provision that would strip congressional members and their staff and the president and his cabinet and the vice president of their employer subsidized health insurance. it became clear very quickly. that republicans did not have enough votes to pass that version of the bill, either. at this hour, harry reid and mitch mcconnell continued to work on a senate agreement. president obama is scheduled to meet with treasury secretary, jack lu tomorrow afternoon.

much like the president they're calling out house speaker john boehner by name. this is interesting politics in the history of this. this is a hasert rule, this refers to the former speaker of the house, and long time speaker and that is if the speaker does not have the majority of his team on board with a bill then you don't get it get to the floor. that's the legacy of someone like speaker boehner would not let a bill that his caucus doesn't support get to the a floor. so the question is what power does speaker boehner have? and we heard democrats push not just personally to speaker boehner but also why would they negotiate. they don't feel it's a good precedence going forward. here is senator chuck assumer. >> what happens when this has to be renewed. by holding a gun to their heads we got what we wanted. we'll up the ante this time. >> reporter: democrats saying there is no incentive for them to compromise at this time. >> thank you. wall street is down again. concerns about the government shutdown grow. and with that the shutdown has forced a delay in tomorr

i like john boehner, a great patriot. but negotiating with john boehner is like negotiating with kermit the frog instead of jim hensen. you need puppeteer, not the puppet. he has allowed himself to be the puppet of the party. he could go to the house and let the housework think will the way the vast majority want to do. it is this tea party fringe that has been wagging the dog, pardon my mixing may metaphors, tea party tale. and someday, john boehner will pull on his big boy pants. do you think john boehner has overplayed his hand? >> i would not talk about bill >> i would not talk about bill clinton's pants like that? honestly. i think that's a little bit of a low. a little bit of a low blow. john bainer could put a clean cr on the floor. sure. but the ultimate point is that the republicans are united on obama care. and obama care is a central policy difference between these two sides. the difference between 1995 and 2013, in 2005, we were only talking about money. this is talking about a fundamental change in the way pe

i was just talking with molly and john about that. >> i'm less concerned about john boehner losing his speakership than i am losing our credit worthiness, than i am losing jobs, than i am an economy that loses its recovery. that's what we should be focused on and not the internal partisan politics of the republican caucus. >> will it pass? do you see this happening? >> as i said, richard, we will, as democrats, we will provide the votes necessary to reopen the government and to avoid default. i just walked over here to join you from that meeting in the capitol. there were a group of furloughed federal workers. one said it's a beautiful day to reopen the government. and i said last month was a beautiful day to reopen this government. this is the last day. we've run out of time. it's time to get it done. democrats will get it done. >> congressman, we're hoping for that. steve israel, thank you for your time today. >> thank you. >> we'll go to joe here. so, joe, what did you think of congressman israel's confidence that this will pass? he's saying deliver 200 democratic votes and that he

what would a gutsy john boehner do? now back to you who are watching this craziness from some distance. the republicans' latest offer would reopen the government but only until december 15th. then would come just before christmas and the holidays another big government shutdown with all the trimmings. just to get that far, the right wing of the republican caucus is filling the president's bags with more lumps of coal. matters so small they don't deserve mention. joining me right now is congresswoman donna edwards of maryland. i want you to try and explain to the people out there who are trying to understand this, what is the republican caucus officially led by john boehner although i don't think he has his heart in it. this attempt you add on more to the load that we have to end up dumping in two days from now. making it harder and harder through all these new additions to the deal if there is one that there won't be a deal. your thoughts. what are they up to? >> i would love to be able to tell you, but what i think of

boehner about a number that john boehner on good right now john boehner trait that john boehner as they are right he was promised to do is all house republicans asked for after a series of negotiations was for congress to lift its own exemption on obamacare that's all they wanted were exempting big businesses but we're not exempting the american people and were and were not aware exempting congress if they had just done that we wouldn't be in this predicament but obamacare is so sorry to have a direct debit to the government even if it means that at least they're not hostages grab it anyways but i want john boehner rat his own republican john boehner let his own republicans vote on a clean continuing resolution this is something that he told harry reid to do six months ago and house republicans who have voted as you gave them credit for between twenty and thirty times now to keep parts of the federal government open the question is why won't democrats grant them anything they won't let us all that is and that's david what you're you're you're you're saying john boehner is holding hostag

so terry, you used to be the spokesman for john boehner. john boehner said in march he didn't think that the golf should use these moments for negotiations. he thought it was not a smart idea. but here he is coming out being the guy saying it's a smart idea. does he feel sick every time he has to say it or has he bought into the what the far right wing of his party are making his do? >> but it's the president who said he's not going to negotiate and the democrats who have been unwilling to delay obamacare. barack obama delayed obamacare this summer. >> i know where you are going. is it making john boehner sick every time he has to do this? >> john boehner is managing a conference of congressmen who believes that they are doing the right thing. it is a tough situation. there are guys out there that believe a government shutdown is what it's going to take to shake this country up and get it back on its fiscal feet. they believe that obamacare is going to wreck this economy and believe in their principles. it's not wrong in the united states c

they have been pitying john boehner instead of this is the guy for hot. >> i don't know if john boehner is the face for messaging, they have tried to do that with with ted cruz. there a difference between boehner and pelosi, pelosi for the most time she was speaker was leading the caucus. boehner the most time as speaker has been following his caucus. he's not the decisive figure pelosi was before. all of this day to day tactical messaging wars, who is responsible for world war ii memorial or bigger boogie man or boogie woman for the american people, all of that, i think, as we get closer to the debt limit as the markets continue to decline because they become more nervous about this, all that is going to fade into the background. all these politicians in washington will have to look at themselves in the mirror and say how much damage am i willing to cause. i'm not talking 30 or 40 hard line people in the house who basically don't think default is a terrible thing or going over the debt limit is a terrible thing. leadership of the house, leadership of the senate, leadership of the white

put yourself in john boehner's shoes for a moment. imagine what it's like for him to wake up every morning and face the forces that are assembled against him. one simple goal. to survive another day. john boehner must find a way to placate the tea party, whose irate with any talk of negotiations not including obama care, the entirety of american finance capitalism, that has told him he cannot blow through the debt ceiling, and then there's the american people. according to a new nbc news poll, both the gop and the tea party's favorability rating that sunk to an all-time low. and 53% of americans blame republicans in congress for the budget standoff, compared to 31% who blame the president. with those three separate interests in mind, john boehner's play is this. >> what we want to do is to offer the president today the ability to move. a temporary increase in the debt ceiling, an agreement to go to conference on the budget. >> far-right groups like heritage action are falling behind boehner's plan, but amazingly, this is a total rever

don't you think that john boehner knows that? >> of course he does. john boehner and ted cruz come from two completely different planets in terms of their view of their responsibilities and their approach to politics and their ideology. they are farther apart than many democrats were from 10 to 15 years ago. >> do you see this thing? you don't remember the republican party howard and i remember, the one that was for civil rights and it wasn't a crazy whacko bird. >> i remember when it was a party that understood governing and sent people to washington who understood the role of a legislator is to governor and compromise when needed for the nation. a couple of the reasons you are seeing the president look calm and not sweating is because he feels he is on perfectly firm ground. he is not budging on the affordable care act baz as you have said it's the law of the land. >> it's his baby. >> it's his baby and the american people reelected him knowing he would push this through. this is one, and two, people forget that we've gotten to this point of brinksm

john boehner stands out there on the bridge while this blows out. whose decision was it to put a senate hold on a meeting between the senate and house budget committees? that lack of appropriations bills passed and signed by the president exposed the entire u.s. government to shut down and who was it that demanded as a price for the passage of a continuing resolution the destruction of the affordable care act? ted cruz. the man who's now standing back and watching the government crash in. within the last hour, president obama met with the congressional leaders of both parties at the white house. howard, let's talk about the setup before tonight. where are we with this speaker of the house? he's got the heat on his back. on his backside. let's be blunt here. he's facing a tremendous torture. you can see it in his face. how long will it take for the moderates in his party to give him enough backing where he can make a move and make a lesser demand on the president, one that he might be able to accept? >> well, chris, we're he an all counting, one by o