. >> let me play a clip from mark o'mara. he was in the trayvon martin case, an attorney there. let's hear what he had to say about this thing, quite interest sglg had the police officers shot at her as they did when she first left the white house area it would be justified and during the chase i think it also would have been a justified shooting. when that car stopped and the woman got out, at that precise moment if the police didn't see an imminent threat to themselves and she did not turn on them and look like she was going for a gun, something to that point say the threat and immediate and imminent, maybe the police told have taken a breath -- >> it's an interesting break down by mark o'mara. he's a smart guy. i've always been impressed and he takes us through the places he believes as a lawyer it would be justified to shoot her. he doesn't conclude in the end they might the right decision at the end. do you go along with that? >> well, it does give you something to think about. mark is an expert on lethal force, as we know, from the zimmerman case. the supreme court says de

. >> let me play a clip from mark o'mara. he was in the trayvon martin case, an attorney there. let's hear what he had to say about this thing, quite interest sglg had the police officers shot at her as they did when she first left the white house area it would be justified and during the chase i think it also would have been a justified shooting. when that car stopped and the woman got out, at that precise moment if the police didn't see an imminent threat to themselves and she did not turn on them and look like she was going for a gun, something to that point say the threat and immediate and imminent, maybe the police told have taken a breath -- >> it's an interesting break down by mark o'mara. he's a smart guy. i've always been impressed and he takes us through the places he believes as a lawyer it would be justified to shoot her. he doesn't conclude in the end they might the right decision at the end. do you go along with that? >> well, it does give you something to think about. mark is an expert on lethal force, as we know, from the zimmerman case. the supreme court says de

let me turn to you mark o'mara, if i may, about the issue of parental responsibility and the law. where does it lie at the moment, and where do you think it should be? >> unfortunately, there is not a lot of responsibility put on parent's shoulders for the way their kids act online. we know if a child gets ahold of a parent's gun, the parent is responsible or car. the parent is responsible to get the kids to school on time. the internet is brand-new. wonderful tool that be that can be used for good but because it's so open, it could be used for some bad. the kids are not old enough to understand. they have grown up in a video age where you just push a reset button and start over again. parents have to be more diligent and vigilant. they have to teach lessons that were obviously not taught to these two girls. >> we have a policy at cnn not to identify youths but they have been made public and received extensive attention in their hometown media. i want to play a clip of the parents of the 14-year-old girl. they go by the names of jose and vivian. let's watch this. >> my daughter is

let me turn to you mark o'mara, if i may, about the issue of parental responsibility and the law. where does it lie at the moment, and where do you think it should be? >> unfortunately, there is not a lot of responsibility put on parent's shoulders for the way their kids act online. we know if a child gets ahold of a parent's gun, the parent is responsible or car. the parent is responsible to get the kids to school on time. the internet is brand-new. wonderful tool that be that can be used for good but because it's so open, it could be used for some bad. the kids are not old enough to understand. they have grown up in a video age where you just push a reset button and start over again. parents have to be more diligent and vigilant. they have to teach lessons that were obviously not taught to these two girls. >> we have a policy at cnn not to identify youths but they have been made public and received extensive attention in their hometown media. i want to play a clip of the parents of the 14-year-old girl. they go by the names of jose and vivian. let's watch this. >> my daughter is

cnn analyst mark o'mara joins me live. i'm telling, as we began the investigation into this case, we were lack jawed over this. have you seen something this bizarre before? >> i'm not sure how it could have happened that kendrick could have ended up the way he did in that rolled up mat. you would think it would give pause to law enforcement. this is so unusual that a young man that age or that size could fit into that small of a hole. and then what we see is what seems to be, at least, less of an investigation that seems to have happened. >> and not only that, there seems to be scattered bits of evidence around that crime scene that are misty fieing. and one that i had not heard of was that he was seen on a still photo on a surveillance video carrying two notebooks. but the notebooks were found scattered about 20 to 30 feet apart. doesn't that give a suggestion of how those ended up like that that maybe there could have been a struggle. >> there was a lot of forensic evidence that i only hope was retained so that good inve

mark o'mara says he is drafting a law to hold parents accountable in some cyber bullying cases. this comes on the heels of two arrests in connection with a florida case turned tragic. the girls are charged with aggravated stalking accused of taunting rebecca sedgewick. >>> the self-proclaimed nsa leaker says he did not take classified files with him to russia. edward snowden has been hold up in russia since he fled there in june. he says there is zero chance the russians or chinese have any other classified documents. this comes on the heels of u.s. intelligence officials saying foreign spies may have access to the files. snowden says he gave the encrypted documents to the journalists he met in hong kong. >>> some visitors to a utah state park are in hot water after they posted video on facebookt that shows them destroying an ancient rock formation. the group of boy scout leaders are seen pushing over rocks. they say it looked like it was about to collapse and might have hurt someone. utah state park officials, however, are not amused. they say the men can face felony destructio

o'mara. mark, you had a pretty fiery encounter earlier with robert f. kennedy. what is the reality of legality that happened? >> one of the common things people raise after a trial, i had a bad lawyer, please overturn my conviction. it almost never works. the fact it worked here is frankly astonishing to me because i saw mickey sherman in that trial. sure, perhaps he could have done many other things but it was not a terrible performance, i thought, and what robert kennedy was particularly upset about was the reason that the judge overturned the conviction is that mickey sherman failed to point the finger at michael skakel's brother, tommy skakel, who the judge said there was a lot of evidence pointing to him as the real killer and so that, i think, is a mixed blessing for the kennedy family. >> mark o'mara, what do you make of this case, obviously a pretty sensational twist, something everyone in america will remember. a huge case at the time. given the proximity of time, the fact it's four

o'mara. mark, you had a pretty fiery encounter earlier with robert f. kennedy. what is the reality of leg dwal that happened? >> one of the common things people raise after a trial, i had a bad lawyer, please overturn my conviction. it almost never works. the fact it worked here is frankly astonishing to me because i saw mickey sherman in that trial. sure, perhaps he could have done many other things but it was not a terrible performance, i thought, and what robert kennedy was particularly upset about was the reason that the judge overturned the conviction is that mickey sherman failed to point the finger at michael skakel's brother, tommy skakel, who the judge said there was a lot of evidence pointing to him as the real killer and so that, i think, is a mixed blessing for the kennedy family. >> mark o'mara, what do you make of this case, obviously a pretty sensational twist, something everyone in america will remember. a huge case at the time. given the proximity of time, the fact it's four

and so that, i think, is a mixed blessing for the kennedy family. >> mark o'mara, what do you make of this case? obviously a pretty sensational twist, something everyone in america will remember. a huge case at the time. given the proximity of time, the fact it's four decades after the death of this poor girl, will justice still be obtained after such a long period of time. >> it will be difficult if they have to retry the case because another ten years has gone and another, witness passed away and more difficult to get it done. what i'm interested in, though, is the meat of 136 pages that this judge wrote because you don't get a new trial unless you truly have an incompetent counsel. and that doesn't come from strategic decisions. i'm interested in reading through the opinion to see where this judge found 136 pages of deficiencies that really caused a problem. >> starr, when you listen to the poor mother, dorothy moxley there, obviously a very long time has elapsed. but she seems absolutely certain in her mind having attended the trial every day that this man is guilty of killing her

mark o'mara, great to have you here. and, danny, stick around. i have a couple of things i want you to weigh in on. >>> i want to talk about another story we're working on. more than a dozen elderly men and women abandoned. just abandoned by people who were supposed to be taking care of them. it happened at an assisting living facility in california. find out why it happened in the first place. try zyrtec-d®. powerful relief of nasal congestion and other allergy symptoms -- all in one pill. zyrtec-d®. at the pharmacy counter. and other allergy symptoms -- all in one pill. ido more with less with buless energy. hp is helping ups do just that. soon, the world's most intelligent servers, designed by hp, will give ups over twice the performance, using forty percent less energy. multiply that across over a thousand locations, and they'll provide the same benefit to the environment as over 60,000 trees. that's a trend we can all get behind. [ female announcer ] just about anywhere you use sugar, you can use splenda® no calorie sweetener. splenda® l

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mark o'mara, the lawyer who represented george zimmerman, is proposing a law that would hold parents criminally liable for cyberbullying. this week police arrested two girls, ages 12 and 14, and charged them with felony aggravated stalking in connection with the suicide of 12-year-old rebecca sedwick. she killed herself by jumping from the top of an abandoned concrete plant tower. the sheriff who made the arrest said he believes their parents are partly responsible. >> at this point in the investigation, we don't have a criminal case against any parents. we wish that we did. >> so they wish that they did. joining me now is attorney faith jenkins. faith, great to have you here. this is such a sad case all around, especially since we're talking about youth bullying, it continues. again, with suicide going on here. the two girls who were charged this week, they're 12 and 14. nbc is not releasing their names because of the sensitivity around their ages there. but the sheriff's office was holding up those images as we saw, they were blurred out. but when you're dealing with kids so young,

that is what mark o'mara is working on? >> mark o'mara doesn't have children last time i looked. he doesn't understand how tricky this can be. the point is, you have to say and make it part of everything in the school. walk away from the bully. only time they have power is if you listen to them. jamie: well, i don't know. >> shame them. if we don't do that and start putting people in jail and other children in the foster system because their parents are in jail. very easy for a teenager to fool a parent. it is not right to do that. it is right for the parent to get involved at the onset to start teaching this. jamie: i have to leave it there. dan, your point is well-taken how there is permanent record. parents, take neat. bill: cows of launching the iphone, $150 million. cost for launching the website for obamacare, 600 million. if obamacare were a private company, would it survive? >>> 6 million-dollar man, they can build him, do they have the technology. oh, yeah. see the real life bionic man. where is lee majors. he is watching in houston. heart healthy, huh?! ugh! actually pr

. >> trayvon martin that night -- >> mark o'mara using visual aides to help make a point. and he showed that he was armed. >> that is a sidewalk. and that is not an unarmed teenager with nothing but skittles trying to get home. that was somebody who used the availability of dangerous items from his fist to he concrete to cause great bodily injury. >> the defense made it seem as if trayvon martin was sort of this tall, large, looming black child -- black male. not even child. >> was it not fear? >> the prosecution counts on an emotional reaction from the jury. reminding them george zimmerman took the life of a child. >> isn't that every child's worst nightmare? to be followed on the way home in the dark by a stranger. >> but florida law could be on zimmerman's side. self-defense is his only path to freedom. >> do you have a reasonable doubt that my client may have acted in self-defense? and if you reach that conclusion, you get to stop. you really do. why? because self-defense is a defense to everything. >> powerful words. and under florida law, seemingly inescapable logic.

take a listen to cnn legal analyst mark o'mara who explains how he thinks it went down. >> well, it has to be somebody on the inside. it just has to be. somebody at the clerk's office, in the courthouse. maybe even somebody in a state attorney's office position. a secretary who can get that paperwork done. >> and we've been talking about this throughout date, don. not very many people willing to take ownership here as far as the agency's involved in this bureaucratic bungle, you know. no one wants to take ownership for what happened. no one is taking the blame. a lot of finger-pointing going on at this point. still -- >> we had the judge on a little bit ago. he doesn't take the blame. he said there are two different agencies there that should be communicating that are not communicating. he admitted that here or cnn. so obviously they will have to work that out, nick. but what happened now with these inmates? obviously, these two men can't be punished any worse than life with no parole. do they still have to answer for this escape? i guess there is the death penalty, but they want do tha

. >> mark o'mara, the famous defending -- for defending george zimmerman -- forgeries like this could have been going on for years. ponder that. >> that's right. >> before we get to that, one young man watched his father die at the hands of one of those convicts. >> my life would have been different if i wouldn't have saw it but i saw it. >> we'll hear from the families of the men that these men killed next. kswagen "sign then drive" sales event is back. which means it's never been easier to get a new passat, awarded j.d. power's most appealing midsize car, two years in a row. and right now you can drive one home for practically just your signature. get zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first month's payment on any new 2014 volkswagen. hurry, this offer ends october 31st. for details, visit vwdealer.com today. it's not a candy bar. 130 calories 7 grams of protein the fiber one caramel nut protein bar. healthy diets are hard on your teeth. the truth is a lot of healthy food choices are still high in acidic content. if your enamel is exposed to acid and is in a soft

i want you to watch, mark o'mara, george zimmerman's defense attorney, said on cnn today. >> my only concern is when the car stops and there's those few seconds where we empower our police officers to use deadly force if they have to, it may have been handled in a calmer way that may have avoided shooting a woman. >> so brian, what are you hearing? >> we have run that comment by the d.c. metropolitan police, the capitol hill police and u.s. secret service police. they're not commenting on that remark by mark o'mara or others who are questioning whether police used appropriate force. however, we did speak to our two law enforcement analysts, mike brooks and tom fuentes. both former policemen. both former law enforcement agents as well. what they're saying is, look, at that moment when she finally was stopped, the third time, they had no way of knowing she was really finally stopped. that the last checkpoint or barricade or whatever it was that she actually, this came to a final conclusion and they shot her, that that was going to be the moment where this was all going to end. she had

. >> mark o'mara, the famous defending -- for defending george zimmerman -- forgeries like this could have been going on for years. ponder that. >> that's right. >> before we get to that, one young man watched his father die at the hands of one of those convicts. >> my life would have been different if i wouldn't have saw it but i saw it. >> we'll hear from the families of the men that these men killed next. i spend long hours with her checking her heart rate, administering her medication, and just making her comfortable. one night britta told me about a tradition in denmark, "when a person dies," she said, "someone must open the window so the soul can depart." i smiled and squeezed her hand. "not tonight, britta. not tonight." [ female announcer ] to nurses everywhere, thank you, from johnson & johnson. if you have a business idea, we have a personalized legal solution that's right for you. with easy step-by-step guidance, we're here to help you turn your dream into a reality. start your business today with legalzoom. wow...look at you. i've always tried to give it my best shot. thes

why not as mark o'mara said, take a breath, assess and it try to avoid shooting her. >>> >> how do they know she is really stopped? she was stopped once by the barricades at the white house. that didn't stop her. she was stopped theoretically at the beginning of the video on three sides with half a dozen officers pointing guns at her. that didn't stop her. >> reporter: fuentes and other law enforcement experts say there is another reason why police may have felt they had to shoot at the suspect. the fact this played out near two high profile targets. the white house and the capitol. felony he is said at that moment, officers didn't know anything about the driver or what she had in that vehicle. >> does she have explosives in it and pose a greater danger? is she just look fog arrest large gathering of people that she can drive up close and explode a bomb? >> reporter: they said the fact that she didn't turn out to have a firearm or a bomb in her vehicle doesn't mean she didn't have a weapon. they say she was driving a 3,000 pound weapon and she had used it twice to strike police officers

. >> and joining me now is cnn legal analyst and defense attorney mark o'mara. i'm dying to ask you. there's so many aspects of this particular crime. let's start with this one. we've got three guys who are facing charges. at least two of them saying it was the other people. i may have been there but i didn't get involved in the actual fighting and hurting. in there's no video showing them doing it, how hard is that to prove for the prosecutors? >> first of all, this is a traditional self-defense case. talking about the people themselves, it's going to be difficult to prove the case against them. because as we know, the state carries a burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt that these people commit the a crime. and if in fact these people were acting in concert with other people, that's a conspiracy. and they may charge him with conspiracy which is going to make the prosecutor's job easier. >> mr. cruz continued his interview with dan harris on abc saying i wasn't slowing down to bump that vehicle or cause trouble, ifbs looking for my friends. i want to keep

cnn's legal analyst mark o'mara wanted to change that. and in fact, you have drafted real legislation, you have history in your experience and background of drafting legislation. and you've done this. you've drafted legislation that you think could be precedent setting in terms of how parents need to be responsible not only if they're bullying but also if they're children are going to be bullied. can you give me a synopsis? >> through a nonprofit we have we've done basically a bill that first identifies and defines what bullying is and cyberbullying. we are trying to make it illegal. we will address an issue called revenge porn which is out in california. but most controversial, i guess, is that we're as s also saying if the parents of people who are bullying are negligent in watching over their kid's internet presence that they can be responsible from a as well. >> what is reasonable to expect of parents to today who are so incredibly busy, many two income households, two working parents, you know social networking devices that are as sm

mark o'mara, remember, the famous -- famous for defending george zimmerman. forgeries like these could have been going on for years. ponder that. >> that's right. >> before we get to that, one young man watched his father die at the hands of one of those convicts. >> my life would have been different if i wouldn't have saw it but i saw it. >> we'll hear from the families of the people these men killed, next. [ female announcer ] the best thing about this bar it's not a candy bar. 130 calories 7 grams of protein the fiber one caramel nut protein bar. it's lots of things. all waking up. connecting to the global phenomenon we call the internet of everything. ♪ it's going to be amazing. and exciting. and maybe, most remarkably, not that far away. we're going to wake the world up. and watch, with eyes wide, as it gets to work. cisco. tomorrow starts here. i'm on expert on softball. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward conversations than i'm equipped for, because i'm raising two girls on my own. i'll worry about the economy more than a few times before they're

. >> okay, mark o'mara, stay there if you will. thanks for those comments. i will get you to weigh in on another case in a little bit. don't go away. police in new york say that they have identified one of the bikers who played a direct role in this now infamous video showing the beating of an suv driver whose wife and baby are in the car. the latest details on the investigation plus the legal view of what you should do if you're in that predictality and what the bikers should have done in their predicament next. my asthma's under control. i get out a lot... except when it's too cold. like the last three weekends. asthma doesn't affect my job... you missed the meeting again last week! it doesn't affect my family. your coughing woke me up again. i wish you'd take me to the park. i don't use my rescue inhaler a lot... depends on what you mean by a lot. coping with asthma isn't controlling it. test your level of control at asthma.com, then talk to your doctor. there may be more you could do for your asthma. at a ford dealer with a little q and a for fiona. tell

mark o'mara, thank you for your time. of course, this story continue to ask questions until we get the answers. >> thanks, mark. >>> newark mayor corey booker seems to have that it factor. he won this week's special election in washington to fill new jersey's open senate seat. and now he's headed to washington. let's go to alexandra steel in new york for a preview wlaf is next. >> he's a rising star in the democratic party. but we'll tell you who is saying he might want to keep some of that charisma in check as he heads to the senate. in new york, we'll have that story coming up on cnn "new day sunday." thrusters at 30%! i can't get her to warp. losing thrusters. i need more power. give me more power! [ mainframe ] located. ge deep-sea fuel technology. a 50,000-pound, ingeniously wired machine that optimizes raw data to help safely discover and maximize resources in extreme conditions. our current situation seems rather extreme. why can't we maximize our... ready. ♪ brilliant. let's get out of here. warp speed. ♪ warp

mark o'mara. he's drafting a new law that would hold parents accountable for cyberbullying. >> great to be back. >> let's take one step sideways and use legal analysis. give us an idea of the legal land escape nationally, specifically in florida when this happened, when are parents criminally responsible for the actions of their children? >> we know for example in florida they're criminally responsible if a child gets to a gun and uses the gun, we hold the parents responsible. there are statutes that have been interpreted to say if the child gets to a car and uses the car, the parents can be criminally responsible for that. in this case, i think there's a good reason to. >> why? make the case. you know the other side is kids will be kids, you can't control them. nature versus nurture, you lose when they get outside in the world. you can't hold parents responsible. what's the other side. >> the other side is we make sure that parents get their kids to school. parents can be held liable for that. we

why not, as mark o'mara said, take a breath, assess it and try to avoid shooting her there? >> because how do those police officers know she's really stopped? she was stopped once by the barricades at the white house. that didn't stop her. she was stopped theoretically at the beginning of this video on three sides with hfl half a dozen officers pointing guns at her. that didn't stop her. >> reporter: law enforcement experts say they feel there's another reason why they had to shoot at this suspect. this played out near two high profile terrorist targets, the white house and the capitol. fuentes says at that moment, officers didn't know anything about the driver or what she had in that vehicle. >> does she have explosives in it and pose a greater danger. is she just looking for a large gathering of people she can drive up close to them and explode a bomb. >> reporter: should police have instead shot at her tires to disable the car? >> if they did shoot the tires out, the car can keep moving. if it did have a bomb or other kind of weapon they were trying to get to the white ho

. >> reporter: cnn legal analyst mark o'mara says they must have had help. >> there has to be somebody on the inside. somebody in the clerk's office, courthouse, maybe even in the state attorney's office position, a secretary who can actually get that paperwork done. >> reporter: state officials say as a result of this incident, they're going for now require a judge to verify an inmates early release. as far as walker appear jenkins are concerned, they and in court this past weekend and have another court date on friday where they will be transferred over to the department of corrections. it's still unclear if they're going to be headed back to the same jail where they escaped. >> it seems like a good idea to double-check the early release notices. as you said, officials saying more arrests are likely on the way. >> still to come, defiant and determined. senator ted cruz talks like a man on a mission. >> i think what we're trying to do is bigger than the economy, the budget, and bigger than obama care. what we're trying to do is really change you how washington operates. >> big plans b

the search continues, mark o'mara, thanks for joining us. we appreciate your time this morning. for more on the bizarre case and all the week's big other crime stories. be sure to watch "making the case" a special report from don lemon that's don't right here on cnn. >>> there's amazing new development in the kendrick johnson case that we've been following for some time here. kendrick johnson was the teenager whose death was originally called an accident although his body was found rolled up in a high school gym mat. his death in january was found by an independent pathology hired by the family to be caused by blunt force trauma. new information by surveillance video shows that johnson was not alone in the gym the day he died and other minors were in the gym. johnson's family and their attorneys, they want more of the surveillance, all the surveillance to be released. >> there were four cameras inside that gym, one of which was aimed in the direction of the corner, where kendrick's body was found. >> if you have a video surveillance that showed what happened to kendrick johnson,