and to mike rogers on the hill and that they still are demanding answers. they are at least talking. one thing he was able to tell tell them was this gathering of phone call information in france and spain, 60 million phone calls in spain, that was metadata. it was not the contents of phone calls. they're beginning to exchange information about the true extent of this surveilance. >> one of the arguments i've heard and i'm sure u.s. officials are making this privately to their counterparts from the european delegations coming here, the u.s. has so much more of a sophisticated capability. the u.s. can find things out that their intelligence agencies can't find out in the end this will help prevent terrorist operations whether in spain or germany or france or other friendly countries. >> that's exactly the argument that people like mike rogers are making to the europeans. i spoke to a member of the delegation from london and he

should mike rogers comes to the microphone. let's listen to what they have to say. >> the set up between the european union and the united states. >> we think at the policy level is where we're going to find areas where we agree and can move forward. this is not just about intelligence service fixing a problem with another intelligence service. we're working from two different angles. one is to rewrite the perceptions that may be wrong in this particular--in some of these cases, and what the concern, legitimate concerns are from the e.u. parliamentarians about the information collection and how it all works. it's important to understand that we're going to have to have a policy discussion that is bigger than any individual intelligence agency in europe or the united states. we all agree with that. that's why we'll continue to have trans-atlantic dialogues to get to a place where we have re-established trust. a lot of that, i think, clearing up of some of the misperceptions of what's happening versus the value of the intelligenc

i think even mike rogers in that presentation, i think the world of mike rogers, former fbi agent, doing a great job. all of this is in the weeds. what do i care about how things are put into computers? who is to blame, who is not to blame? look, the big -- >> the security of a major site -- >> first of all, there's no issue here about security at the moment. zero. nobody is saying, oh, yeah, they have now gained access to people's social security numbers or private information. that information is not necessary to sign up. >> it is to enroll. >> you allow people to put their financial information into the system, their social security numbers, stuff that would damage them for life -- >> no one has said this is happening. zero, period, no one. is there any way to go after obama care? >> a lot of respect for mike rogers. he's been working on cybersecurity for the past couple years. he comes out and says this, and you say he's full of it. >> mike is an expert in fact, and you know, looking at that kind of security. but that's not what this argument is about. the politics of this argument i

they're supposed to read in chairman mike rogers the chairman of the intelligence committee he gave a lot of difference the other say on this one he said this is what happens in the in the in the surveillance world friends spy on each other allies spy on each other the european union spying on the united states and is continuing to spy on the united states france spying on the united states so he didn't have any problem with the united states spy on world leaders and director of national intelligence james clapper said that knowing the plans and intentions of world leaders is a basic tenet of surveillance surveillance one hundred one so the sort of our age you saw yesterday on the other side of capitol hill in the senate with senate intelligence committee chairwoman dianne feinstein when she found out about this program spying on world leaders didn't exist on the house side here where chairman mike rogers seemed to suggest that this is completely fair game and something of the n.s.a. should be doing very interesting well as. seems like right now there are questions over when and how m

you know they spoke to it and chairman mike rogers the chairman of the intelligence committee gave a lot of deference that to say on this one he said this is what happens in the in the in the surveillance world for inspiring each other allies spy on each other the european union spying on the united states and its continuing to spy on the united states france spying on the united states so he didn't have any problem with the united states spying on world leaders and director of national intelligence james clapper said that knowing the plans and intentions of world leaders is a basic tenet of surveillance surveillance one o one so the sort of outrage you saw yesterday on the other side of topple hill in the senate with senate intelligence committee chairwoman dianne feinstein when she found out about this this program spying on world leaders didn't exist on the house side here where chairman mike rogers seem to suggest that this is completely fair game and something of the n.s.a. should be doing very interesting well as. seems like right now there are questions over when and how much

the chairman of the committee mike rogers gave a lot of deference to the n.s.a. here he made the argument that friends spying each other that allies have been spying on the united states and currently spy on the united states including the european union including france. and he asked d.n.i. director of national intelligence james clapper what he thought about all this and clapper basically said that trying to figure out and i want to get their words here the intentions of the planes and intentions of world leaders figuring that out is a basic tenet of surveillance so that outrage we saw from senate chairwoman intelligence chairwoman dianne feinstein yesterday over the news that we're spying on world leaders the outrage that she had didn't exist today in this hearing mike rogers the chairman there was again it gave a lot of deference the n.s.a. here and said look they're spying on us were spying on them that's just the way this is what i want of surveillance very interesting well it seems like right now there are questions over. when and how much the white house

chairman mike rogers suggested that the committee knew about this waste on the national intelligence primary framework. it is a giant report that the intelligence committee and the white house get that has the priorities of the intelligence committee. but other members of the committee pushed back. saying, hey, this committee didn't know about it. they asked the nsa why they were not informed about these programs, which led to this competition between chairman mike rogers and connor smith adam schiff about whether or not he actually knew about the program to spy on world leaders. >> i'd be interested to know, mr. chairman -- >> i can take you down to the committee and spend a couple of hours owing to mountains of product that would allow a member to be as informed as a member wishes to be on sources and methods and all activities of the intelligence community under the national intelligence framework. >> i would just say -- >> we need to be careful. it is disingenuous to use the classification. >> if you are suggesting we have information that we don't have it, that is disingenuous.

they met with the chair of the house intelligence committee mike rogers. members of the delegation spoke after their meeting. >> we need to figure out why this kind of massive activity is happening and what kind of trust needs to be built. in the end we're fighting a battle with tight security and we need to get the balance right. we're concerned, too, about security, and we made that clear. but most of it is the balance of privacy of citizens. >> james comey was sworn in as head of the fbi. he previously served as deputy attorney general in the bush administration. >>> u.n. envo arab league envoys trying to build support for peace talks next month. >>> nearly a year after super storm sandy ellis island opens. if you would like the latest on any of the stories in our bulletins we encourage you to head on over to our website at www.aljazeera.com. once again, www.aljazeera.com. tony harris. >> tonight on "inside story" the united states spies on friends, not just foes. is this the new business or usual or is it damaging american foreign policy. plus the infl

and to mike rogers on the hill and that they still are demanding answers. they are at least talking. one thing he was able to tell tell them was this gathering of phone call information in france and spain, 60 million phone calls in spain, that was metadata. it was not the contents of phone calls. they're beginning to exchange information about the true extent of this surveilance. >> one of the arguments i've heard and i'm sure u.s. officials are making this privately to their counterparts from the european delegations coming here, the u.s. has so much more of a sophisticated capability. the u.s. can find things out that their intelligence agencies can't find out in the end this will help prevent terrorist operations whether in spain or germany or france or other friendly countries. >> that's exactly the argument that people like mike rogers are making to the europeans. i spoke to a member of the delegation from london and he said listen, we face terror attacks, as well. so they know that argument. they're amenable to that argument, but still they want more

mike rogers saying it's all about protecting everyone from terrorists. and instead of being angry, he says europe should be grateful. >> if the french citizens knew exactly what that was about, they would be applauding. it's a good thing. it keeps the french safe. it keeps the u.s. safe. it keeps our allies safe. >> a lot of people in washington talking about this sunday. peter doucy has more. >> if they've been talking to on the phone, then the oversight committee believes president obama has got son explaining to do. >> if what you do in germany helps the germans end us, that's fine. but i don't believe listening to the head of state of an ally is needed. >> but republicans are split on this issue, because the chairman of the committee on counterintelligence says the united states doesn't need to change a thing. >> i think the president should stop apologizing, stop being defensive. the reality is the nsa has saved thousands of lives. not just the united states, but also in france and germany and throughout europe. >> the white house says it's reviewin

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but house committee chairman mike rogers said our european allies should be thankful for keeping them secure from outside threats. >> if th their citizens knew what it was about they would be popping the shame cork. it keeps the french safe, and it keeps our allies safe. >> reporter: the question is how will this play out to allies across the atlantic and around the world. >> joining us to discuss nsa spying and u.s. diplomat is are p.j. crowley former isn't secretary of state now professor of the george washington university school of public affairs. and correspondent for the wall street journey. how shocking are these revelations. we'll start with angela merkel, head of state. >> it's different from eavesdropping on the citizens of the nation because it's a very targeted sort of the surveillance. obviously if you're spying on a particular leader you're trying to figure out what is the decision-making process going on for that particular leader, and you have probably fairly specific things that you're looking for. if you're looking at the broader citizenry you're probably looking for

mike rogers over the weekend said europe should be grateful for all of this surveillance. we're keeping europe safe, he suggested. so we do wonder what they will be achieving on capitol hill. there is this american push back after all frankly the u.s. consider anyone they want as long as they're constitutionally protected, even if you are constitutionally protected in the u.s. there are questions about that as well, aren't there. >> thank you very much. and we should point out president obama is set to speak within the next hour. he's going to be making remarks of the installation of the new fbi director. when the president speaks we'll bring that you event live. >>> and afghan soldier was shot and killed after open firing on troops after an afternoon. the shooting happened on sunday. we showed that you new academy when it opened just last week. they're raising questions about plans for long-term training programs in that country. >>> the u.s.-arab league envoy abrahami. we have the latest from beirut. >> reporter: he has arrived in damascus, and he's supposed to meet with

it is grandstanding, hyperbolizing. >> mike roger shs? >> rogers was grandstanding on the sunday morning talk shows days before this. the memo said there were potential risks, not a shred of evidence to suggest that anyone's personal information has, was or ever would be potentially compromised. unlike the data breaches from aol or t.j. maxx where information was released there is no evidence that any information was at risk. >> this is just the beginning. one of the other things was the fact that health care.gov was hacked last week. lord know where the personal information is now. the problem for team obama is this this. if they want people to come to the website and enroll in exchanges, if they have been burned already once. if they can't get in, if the information has been exposed and they have been compromised the idea of getting them back a second or third time to try out the website, to enroll will be greatly reduced. once people have been burned once, exposed or compromised they are not going to do it again. >> we should the talk

a conversation with mike rogers. then, control/alt/delete. >> tell us what is wrong. fix it or do something else. >> the computer reboot, you and your doctor. the long-term prognosis with that relationship with john fleming, louisiana's family doctor of the year and then ezial emanuel, a former health care policy adviser to the obama administration. then onward. >> you look fired up to make the next push, to make sure we get immigration reform done. >> his legacy law entangled inside a half billion lines or so of computer code, the president pushes immigration reform. tone deaf or spot on politics? and election days loom in new jersey and virginia. what 2013 will tell us about 2014. our political panel sorts it all out. this is "state of the union." good morning from washington. i'm candy crowley. the polite world of diplomacy is rocked by a document dumped from nsa leaker edward snowden revealing the u.s. spied on 30 world leaders including friends. the german magazine "isn't piegel"" report that for a decade the nsa monitored german chancellor angela merkel's phone

rogers press secretary sebelius on that issue. you have exposed millions of americans because you all according to your memo believed it was an acceptable risk don't you think you have the obligation to tell the american people that we're going to put you in this system but you'd be where you it information is likely to be vulnerable the website troubles are just one of the many problems the obama administration is dealing with during the implementation of its signature health reform law another focus is on the administration's credibility when it promised americans that if they like their current health insurance plans they can keep it turns out a lot of americans are getting dropped from their current plans as health insurance companies make changes to those plans to comply with new standards laid out in the affordable care act all of these troubles have people on the left and people on the right shaking their head in the left you have people arguing that this is why the single payer system would be better it doesn't have indivi

a conversation with mike rogers. then, control/ald/delete. >> tell us what is wrong. >> the computer reboot, you and your doctor. the long term prognosis with that relationship with john fleming, louisiana's family doctor of the year and ez e-al he manual, a former health care policy adviser to the obama administration. then onward. >> you look fired up to make the next push, to make sure we get immigration reform done. >> his legacy law entangled inside a half billion lines or so of computer code, the president pushes immigration reform. tone deaf or spot on politics? and election days loom in new jersey and virginia. what 2013 will tell us about 2014. our political panel sorts it all out. this is "state of the union. good morning from washington. i'm candy crowley. the polite world of diplomacy is rocked by a document dumped from nsa leaker edward snowden revealing the u.s. spied on 30 world leaders including friends. they report that for a decade the nsa monitored german chancellor angela merkel's phone calls. she

rogers press secretary sebelius all of that issue. you have exposed millions of americans because you all according to your memo believed it was an acceptable risk don't you think you have the obligation to tell the american people that we're going to put you in this system but you can be where you it information is likely to be vulnerable of course the website troubles are just one of the many problems the obama administration is dealing with during the implementation of its signature health reform law another focus is on the administration's credibility when it promised americans that if they like their current health insurance plans they can keep it well turns out a lot of americans are getting dropped from their current plans as health insurance companies make changes to those plans to comply with new standards laid out in the affordable care act all of these troubles have people on the left and the right shaking their head on the left you have people arguing that this is why a single payer system would be better it doesn't have i

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starting on my far right congressman mike rogers from michigan. i often say the same thing introducing mike rogers and that is that he has taken one of the most divided and partisan committee, the house intelligence committee and they -- function as a buy bipartisan. the congressman has worked with the ranking member from maryland and that thing that you wish would happen throughout the congress in which members from both parties have each other's backs and try to do the country's work is actually happening in the house intelligence committee and it's terrific. i want to say that. >> elliott rangel, if somebody is trying to work on bipartisan solutions, he became a ranking member after howard berman who for many years had been in that position, left the congress. he's been a member of congress since 1989. and this had a significant record of legislative achievement and commitment. so it's great do have two people who would really try to do the people's business in congress, i would like to ask each of you to begin by setting the scene for us, we'v

he said -- mike rogers responded, "i can help you with that." ray mcgovern, can you respond to this and how is edward snowden getting by in russia? >> i asked ed whether he was aware of these suggestions, shall we say, that he be put on the kill list for assassination. he kind of winced and shook his head as if to say, my god, what has our country become? unconscionable these people would joke about things like that, but it shows the poverty of thought and the determination to make this -- i call him a patriot, not hero. euros can be dismissed. edward snowden is a patriot. it is easier to dismiss this fellow if you frontally attack him personally the way these folks have done. tom drake, when he was acquitted, the judge abraded the justice department saying, you had no business persecuting this person for four years. guess what? tom had an experience in moscow when he met edward snowden, and i'm sure he was thinking, wow, i guess some good can come out of this because it was ed snowden who freely said right up front that it was tom's example. wh

starting on my far right, as it were, congressman mike rogers from michigan. i often say the same thing in introducing mike rogers, which is that he has taken what is most of the divided and partisan committees in the house, the house intelligence committee, and made it function as a bipartisan committee that passes authorization legislation every year. congressman rogers has worked with the ranking member, congressman rumors berger from maryland, and that thing you wish would happen throughout the congress in which members from both parties have each other's backs and trying to do the country's work is actually happening in the house intelligence committee, and it's terrific. so i want to say that in introducing congressman rogers. eliot engel, ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee, simply is somebody who has tried to work on bipartisan solutions to problems that matter to the country. he became ranking member after howard berman who for many years had been in that position left congress. he's been a member of congress since 1989 and has had a

i want to see what the members of congress, mike rogers and others have to say, as well. as i said, that house intelligence committee hearing on nsa is open. there will be cameras there. the subject surveilance of international leaders scheduled to begin at the bottom of the hour. there you see a picture of the committee room very few members inside so far. but they presumably all will be in there at the bottom of the hour. we'll have live coverage. so did president obama mislead americans when he said repeatedly that people could keep their existing health insurance under obama care? and the other significant question that is gaining some steam out there, kathleen sebelius, the secretary of health and human services, what should she do? should she resign? we're going to talk about that and much more. two congressmen from opposite sides of the aisle both standing by. there you see them up on capitol hill, marsha blackburn and sheila jackson lee. an important smart debate, that's coming up next. so there i was again, explaining my moderate to severe chronic plaque psoriasi

>> their first port of call mike rogers. you may remember over the weekend he was saying on the sunday talk shows that europe should in fact be grateful for all the surveillance keeping them safe. much talk after that meeting those, a frank dialogue, ongoing dialogue but this is how the chairman of that european delegation put the problems as europe sees it off all of this nsa surveillance. >> we want to figure out why this kind of mass itch activities -- massive activities happening. in the end we're fighting a battle in terms of security, we need to get that balance right. we're concerned too about security and we made that pretty clear. but also, there is balance to be struck in the privacy of citizens. >> in addition the chairman of the foreign affairs committee of the european parliament is also part of that delegation, apparently suggesting that trade talks between the u.s. and europe maybe put in jeopardy if the surveillance isn't addressed to their satisfaction >> and have we had any response from the white house abo

people like charlie dense of pennsylvania, people like mike rogers who knows what this is costing us in terms of, you are the world. we had a terrible terrorist attack in arobe. we had a terrible terrorist attack in d.c. and fooling around with allowing a right wing group to take the government hostage. >> with respect, that is inappropriate to say right now that there's right wing groups or left wing groups taking over the congress. what's important to note here is congress under the constitution was set up as a legislature to work together to solve problems. what is going on right now is in the district of columbia, the zoo is closed, state services are shut down, veterans can't get benefits and up to the president, the leader of the united states to force both parties to sit down at the table and solve the issue. >> you aren't for voting? why shouldn't they vote tomorrow? >> i think, however, the president needs to step in and show leadership. i believe he has. >> we could go and talk about this. this is exactly what is going on right now, as you can see, both in the senate and th

. >> during the hearing, michigan's representative mike rogers questioned sebelius about the website. a medicare official wrote from a security perspective, the aspects of the system that were not tested due to the ongoing development exposed a level of uncertainty that can be deemed as a high risk. >> they believe that was, in their words, an acceptable risk, which means you put millions of americans' personal financial information at risk to hackers. >> republicans also complained insurance companies are canceling the policies of millions because the plans don't meet the standards of the affordable care act. president obama addressed that in his speech in boston. >> if the insurers decided to downgrade or cannes cancel the plans, under the law they have to replace it with affordable coverage. >> now, secretary sebelius said she did not know contractors wanted a delay in that october 1st launch, but earlier here on capitol hill, contractors testified that they informed cms, the so-called quarterback of the website that is under the department of health and human services, that the we

. >> congressman mike rogers says he and his colleagues have tough questions for obama administration officials when they begin hearing of the troubled website tomorrow. >> what happened? why did you spend almost billion dollars on a system that does not work? >> president obama is bringing in long-time economic adviser jeffrey zients to manage the restructuring of the website. >> he's an expert in the field of effective management and hhs will be tapping his experience and expertise as they address the challenges that have come up with the administration of the website. >> hhs secretary kathleen sebelius tells cnn there's still time to get things fixed. >> i am confident that millions of americans at the end of the enrollment period, march 31st, will have coverage for the first time in their lives. >> tuesday they introduced janice baker the first to successfully enroll through the website but she tells cbs news it took seven hours over several days. >> the good news is she'll now have coverage on day one. >> baker said she was turned down for coverage in the past because of a pre-ex

we also heard from another republican, mike rogers, he defended this surveillance programs and used a historical example to address the perils of ignoring what's happening with our enemies and our friends. >> think about this. in the 1930s, we had this debate before. and we decided we were going to kind of turn off our ability to even listen to friends who have -- remember, sometimes our friends have relationships with our adversaries, and we say we're not going to do those things. that wouldn't be appropriate. look what happened in the '30, the rise of fascism, the rise of communism, and it resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of people. >> the white house promises they are patching things up with our allies, saying, quote, we're taking a look at those programs to insure it meets the standard that the president has laid out and we're going to continue to confer with our allies through our regular diplomatic channels to address the concerns they have raised. the concerns of the german government will soon be raised in person in washington. they're sending intelligence officials

rogers were looking for more water to down reforms. -- more water to ed down reforms. were you looking for? -- what are you looking for? >> radical change. i am looking for something dramatic and that is the agenda that i think this country was founded on. civil liberties are important. >> this move on to germany for a second. there were two reports out this week about drone use in pakistan and another about drones in human. both reports allege that the united states is committing on lawful killings, perhaps even what amounts to war crimes. do you think the u.s. is committing war crimes with its drone program? >> i do. it starts right at the top with the fact that these get ordered in the first place and something that i have maintained for years during the presidential campaign. we are making more enemies. we don't just hit the intended target and where is the judge and jury when it comes to the intended target? we are saying that this is an enemy combatant with the race -- with a you said -- with a u.s. citizen. we targeted u.s. citizens with drones. more enemies of

rogers this morning. but the explanation they got did not satisfy germany's elmar brok who said the wiretapping of angela merkel's phone was a criminal act. >> if we have the feeling that your closest allies are spying on you, it's difficult to talk to such an ally in an open way anymore and i think we have to make a clear distinction between fighting together terrorism but not spying on friends. >> reporter: surveillance is a sensitive subject for germans, particularly for those who grew up in the east german police state as merkel did. brok said germany wants a no-spying pledge similar to the agreement the u.s. has with the united kingdom, canada, australia and new zealand. those nations share intelligence but agree not to spy on one another. >> if all the citizens in europe believe -- or in the world -- that america is spying on every individual citizen then i think people do not love america anymore. i think that a very damaging thing. >> reporter: germany wants a u.n. resolution to protect the privac

michigan's mike rogers. >> because you did not even have the most basic end to end test on security of this system. amazon would never do this. proflowers would never do this. kayak would never do this. this is completely and unacceptable level of security. >> sebelius faced bruising questions about americans losing insurance plans that don't comply with the new obamacare standards. colorado's cory gardener. >> the white house website says, if you like your health plan you have, you can keep it. did i hear it flock. >> she argued the 5% of americans whose individual plans could get cancelled will have the dahoons buy better coverage. >> insurance companies cancel individual policies year in and year out. they are one year contracts with individuals. they are not lifetime plans -- >> let me -- or employer plan. >> let me move on. >> i will remind you some people like to drive a ford not a ferrari and some people like to drink out of a red solo cup or stem. you're taking away their choice. >> democrats accuse their g.o.p. colleagues of, quote, hyperventilating arguing that the problems a

congressman mike rogers told our candy crowley the reports that the u.s. spied on millions of french citizens is misguided. >> maybe there's something more to that. i argue if the french citizens knew exactly what that was about they'd be applauding and popping champagne corks. it's a good thing, keeps the french safe t keeps the u.s. safe t keeps our european allies safe so this whole notion that we're going to go after each other on what is really legitimate protection of nation state interests i think is disingenuous candidly. >> mike rogers calling it disingenuous, something like that classic scene from "casablanca." >> everybody is to leave here immediately. this cafe is closed until further notice. clear the room at once! >> how can he close me up? >> i'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here. >> your winnings, sir. >> thank you very much. >> we'll talk more about this all of this and the fallout throughout the show, but cnn chief national security correspondent jim sciutto has more. the newest edward snowden documents reveal mor

snowden, but it was for a different list, to which mike rogers chimed in and said i can help you with that. of course, they are referring to snowden being on the drone kill list. what does this say about how they are perceiving snowden and the information he is providing to the public? >> it is transparent about how irate they are and how reckless they are. these are elected officials at the highest levels of government. to make comments like that is wildly responsible and profoundly disturbing, frankly. it really shows you the antipathy in the ben him -- and the van him that the u.s. has. -- and the venom that the u.s. has. you don't put people -- you don't joke about putting people on the targeted assassination list. >> i have heard that edward snowden is not taking this very seriously at all. >> i think he sees it as a veiled threat, which it is, but i think he feels secure in his surroundings in russia, because russia, frankly, has the muscle to stand up against the united states and to protect him. >> we learned on wednesday that the nsc director, keith alexander, will be steppin

rogers this morning. but the explanation they got did not satisfy germany's elmar brok who said the wiretapping of angela merkel's phone was a criminal act. >> if we have the feeling that your closest allies are spying on you, it's difficult to talk to such an ally in an open way anymore and i think we have to make a clear distinction between fighting together terrorism but not spying on friends. >> reporter: surveillance is a sensitive subject for germans, particularly for those who grew up in the east german police state as merkel did. brok said germany wants a no- spying pledge similar to the agreement the u.s. has with the united kingdom, canada, australia and new zealand. those nations share intelligence but agree not to spy on one another. >> if all the citizens in europe believe -- or in the world -- that america is spying on every individual citizen then i think people do not love america anymore. i think that a very damaging thing. >> reporter: germany wants a u.n. resolution to protect the priva

michigan's mike rogers. >> because you did not even have the most basic end to end test on security of this system. amazon would never do this. proflowers would never do this. kayak would never do this. this is completely and unacceptable level of security. >> reporter: sebelius faced bruising questions about americans losing insurance plans that don't comply with the new obamacare standards. colorado's cory gardener. >> the white house website says, if you like your health plan you have, you can keep it. did i hear it wrong? >> she argued the 5% of americans whose individual plans could get canceled will have the chance to buy better coverage. >> insurance companies cancel individual policies year in and year out. they are one year contracts with individuals. they are not lifetime plans -- >> let me -- or employer plan. >> let me move on. >> i will remind you some people like to drive a ford not a ferrari and some people like to drink out of a red solo cup or a crystal stem. you're taking away their choice. >> reporter: democrats accuse their g.o.p. colleagues of, quote, hyperventilat

mike rogers on the house side they are complicit what she says oh if we had this before nine eleven it would have been prevented just the opposite is true and all one needs to do is go to colin wildly testimony from the f.b.i. showing that it was a lack of sharing it was a lack of opaqueness so a lack of of transparency actually that contributed to the fact that these things weren't sorted together the dots were not connected stovepipes or in existence and it's just the opposite of what dianne feinstein is saying and she should know and she does know that he she is not telling the truth she is not saying i'm afraid we're brought on a time when nothing would happen like trust politicians here many thanks to my guests today in washington and in london thanks to our viewers for watching us here and remember. the. good lumber tour. was able to build a most sophisticated. doesn't sound anything tunes mission to teach creation why it should care about humans. this is why you should care only. some may disagree. but i believe america is exceptional. yes we can't. let the suffering. to cancer.

i often say the same thing in introducing mike rogers which is that he has taken what was one of the most divided and partisan committee in the house. the house intelligence committee and it made it function as a bipartisan committee. that passes authorization legislation every year, congressman rogers has worked with his ranking member from maryland and that thing that you wish would happen throughout the congress in which members from both parties have each other's backs and try to do the country's work is actually happening in the house intelligence committee. it's terrific. so i want to say that in introducing congressman rogers. elliot, the ranking member on the house foreign affair committee is somebody who tried to work on bipartisan solutions to problems that matter to the country. he became a ranking member after howard we we are berman. for many years been in the congress. he's been a member of congress since 199 and has a significant record of legislative achievement and commitment. it's great to have two people who are trying to do the peoples' business in congress on for

rogers chimed in and said i can help you with that so of course they're referring to you know snowden being on the drone kill list and what does this say about how they are perceived perceiving snowden and you know all of this information that he's really provided to the public i mean it really is a transparent about how i rate they are and how reckless they are these are elected and appointed officials at the highest levels of government and make comments like that it's wildly irresponsible and profoundly disturbing frankly and it really shows you the antipathy and the venom that the us has so when it's like oh come back and we will. treat you well and we'd love to hear from you i mean really are you kidding me when you don't joke about putting people on the targeted assassination of bill if i did hear that that edward snowden is not necessarily taking this very seriously at all. i think he sees it as a veiled threat which it is but i think he feels secure in his surroundings in russia because russia frankly has the muscle to stand up against the united states and to protect him sure

also thought of nominating mr snowden but it was for a different list to which then representative mike rogers chimed in and said i can help you out with that of course they were referring to putting snowden on a drone kill list what does this say about how they perceive snowden and the information he's provided to the public. well edward snowden himself for starters does not take this this these kinds of threats that seriously he does have a year of asylum temporary asylum in russia and he he knows that this is kind of juvenile on the part of these leaders certainly they have taken some of this personally they should not have hate and for example should not have taken the safford it transparency of the programs he was involved with as a personal insult again this is about fixing the system and fortunately hayden does take this obviously he takes it personally and and he's got of obviously some vengeful. vengeful. stream in his thinking here but it's it's dogma and the many other more mature officials have actually in a way saying no to and for bringing this out they said this is a grea

rogers on the house side they're complicit what she says oh if we had this before nine eleven it would have been prevented just the opposite is true and all one needs to do is go to colin rowley rallies testimony from the f.b.i. showing that it was all wacko. sharing it was a lack of opaqueness or a lack of transparency actually that contributed to the fact that these things or shorted together the dots were not connected stovepipe sure it exists and it's just the opposite of what dianne feinstein is saying and she should know and she does know that he she is not telling the truth she's not what i'm saying i'm afraid you brought out a trifle not what happened with the trust politicians here many thanks to my guest today in washington and in london thanks to our viewers for watching us here on c.n.n. and remember. these . splits divide the syrian opposition party takes a close look at why. it's just a few kilometers from the capital damascus like a state within a state free syrian army. the syrian military. reports from fragmented syrian rebel held territory. syrian rebel group on our.

mike rogers on the house side they are complicit what she says oh if we had this before nine eleven it would have been prevented just the opposite is true and all one needs to do is go to colin wildly rallies testimony from the f.b.i. showing that it was a lack of sharing it was a lack of opaque opaqueness so a lack of of transparency actually that contributed to the fact that these things weren't sorted together the dots were not connected stovepipes or in existence and it's just the opposite of what dianne feinstein is saying and she should know and she does know that he she is not telling the truth she's not what i'm saying i'm afraid we're brought on a time when nothing would happen you would not trust politicians here many thanks to my guests today in washington and in london thanks to our viewers for watching us here on c.n.n. and remember. we see. real damage and complexity of this oil spill was not something you grasp just by looking at dirty birds we have between four to five million people in this directly affected area of the coast and it's pretty clear why it's not being re

mike rogers on the house side they are complicit what she says oh if we had this before nine eleven it would have been prevented just the opposite is true and all one needs to do is go to colin wildly rallies testimony from the f.b.i. showing that it was a lack of sharing it was a lack of opaque opaqueness so a lack of of transparency actually that contributed to the fact that these things weren't sorted together the dots were not connected stovepipes were in existence and it's just the opposite of what dianne feinstein is saying and she should know and she does know that he she is not telling the truth she's not what i'm saying i'm afraid we're brought on a time when nothing would happen you would not trust politicians here many thanks to my guests today in washington and in london thanks to our viewers for watching us here see you next time and remember. we see. some. real damage and complexity of this oil spill was not something you grasp just by looking at dirty birds we have between four to five million people in this directly affected area of the code and it's pretty clear why it

defenders like dianne feinstein and mike rogers who are looking for more watered down reforms what do you hope to see the next few months as far as changes coming from congress. to the n.s.a. radical change i mean let's let's rein the horse in let's not let's not make it any worse so i am i am looking at something dramatic and and that's the agenda that i think this country was founded on civil liberties are important let's move on to drones you just briefly talked about them a second ago there are two reports out this week from one from his amnesty international about drone use in pakistan another one from human rights watch about drones and we have a picture of the reports here about the drones in yemen and the both the reports allege that the united states is committing unlawful killings that perhaps even amount to war crimes do you think the u.s. is committing more crimes with its drone program i do and and it starts right at the top the fact that these get ordered in the first place and something that i have maintained you know for years during a presidential campaign look we're

rogers chimed in and said i can help you with that so of course they're referring to you know snowden being on the drone kill list i mean what does this say about how they are perceived perceiving snowden and you know all of this information that he's really provided to the public i mean it really is a transparent about how irate they are and how reckless they are these are elected and appointed officials at the highest levels of government and to make comments like that it's why we're responsible and profoundly disturbing frankly and it really shows you the entity and the venom that the u.s. has so when it's like oh come back and we will treat you well and we'd love to hear from you i mean really are you kidding me when you joke about putting people on the targeted assassinations bill but i did hear that that word snowden is not necessarily taking this very seriously at all or. i think he sees it is a veiled threat which it is but i think he feels secure in his surroundings in russia because russia frankly has the muscle to stand up against the united states and to protect him sure a

defenders like dianne feinstein and mike rogers who are looking for more watered down reforms what do you hope to see in the next few months as far as changes coming from congress. to the n.s.a. radical change i mean let's let's rein in the horse and let's not let's not make it any worse so looking at something dramatic and and that's the agenda that i think this country was founded on civil liberties are important let's move on to drones you just briefly talked about them a second ago there are two reports out this week from and one from his amnesty international about drone use in pakistan another one from here in rights watch about drones and we have a picture of the reports here about the drones in yemen and the both the reports allege that the united states is committing unlawful killings that perhaps even amount to war crimes do you think the u.s. is committing more crimes with its drone program i do. and it starts right at the top the fact that these get ordered in the first place and something that i have maintained you know for years during a presidential campaign look we're