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with obama care. he could do with a veto proof majority in the senate which i don't think is going to happen. i think the republicans have enough tea party whatever republicans of all stripes have enough common ground that they're going to want to win in 2014. >> if i could just make a couple of historical points. this policy difference there is a big divide about foreign policy involvement. there are more people isolationists in certain parts of republican party and others who are not. this goes back to taft and roosevelt beginning of the century. then you had goldwater and rockefeller. you had i mean, ronald reagan, versus ford. and you know this split has been around the republican party for a long time. and the democrats are not immune. when george mcgovern lost so badly in '72 the centrists took the party back from big parties have big differences -- >> you sound like you're agreeing with eric. >> i'm saying there are policy differences -- >> you've got to want to win. the -- >> but does the win

obama care. at what point do you stop this silly game? >> i mean, the denial, the nonsense they're running, congresswoman. close vote of the supreme court 5-4, one vote -- i mean, they lost. and they seem to not be able to deal with this. >> you know, they don't even know what the demand is anymore. is it really to repeal? delay it for a year? what do they want? they talk about concessions. they talk about compromise. at this point, i don't think they know exactly why they want to shut down the government. why they are threatening to not pay the debts of the united states of america. i mean, it is just chaos over there. and for no reason. but the pain that they're causing for so many people, i talked to one of your workers president cox who said my husband and i are both furloughed. when our mortgage payment comes due, we are not going to be able to pay it. the cash flow means they're going to be late on many of their bills. this is going to hurt their credit rating. it's a mess. and john boehner

let the american people experience obama care. if it's as bad as conservatives rightly say it is, they will recoil from it. that should be a republican strategy. >> now, the flip side is republicans say democrats are scared of people saying what obama care is because they'll love it so much they'll be democrats. >> theory is they'll become addicted as like a heroin drip to the subsidies. >> i think they're under underestimating the american people. i think the republicans have to have confidence in is the ability of the american people to say we generally vote for divided government, we want divided government and i think you'll have a united congress against a divided -- >> all right, thank you, panel. see you next week, we'll continue this discussion. up next, our power player of the week. e week. >>> as long as the army's been >>> as long as the army has been around, there has been someone to advise commanders. now, in the army's 236-year history, it's a woman. here's our power player of the week. >> if a soldier's going to go

care and don't stop until obama care has ended. and i thought from the beginning that that was really -- couldn't be done. and it's really just a matter of math. >> you don't have the senate and you don't have the white house. >> right. you would need technically, what some of my constituents were saying, we only need five senators. well, as the folks here in washington know, you need 60 votes just toned debate. it took 60 votes to implement obama care. i just don't think as long as there's a guy named obama in the white house that you're going get rid of obama care without a veto. so assuming you got the 60 votes, assuming president obama vetoed the bill which he would, you then need 67 votes in the united states senate and 290 votes in the house. so it's just a matter of math. it was a silly strategy from the beginning. and this whole lemming issue came up because one of my colleagues who i was having a direct conversation with decided to leak it outside of the room. and so i walked out. and they asked me about it. so that's how

obama care isn't working. it's only been two days. >> the washington post's policy blog tried to find somebody somewhere in the united states -- one person, bob, to sign up that did it successfully. they can't do it. >> that's ridiculous. >> it's the washington post. it's true. >> let me ask you about the $10,000 swing. president said $900 billion. every family would save $2500. it's costing them $7500. >> where did you get that number from? >> forbes.com. it give use state by state percentage increases. california up to 160%. florida, 40%. >> that doesn't -- >> 46 states, people will see premium increases, not savings. that doesn't faze you? >> the premiums will come down. it takes a while to get people hooked up. >> the sad part is you are fronting for a lousy health insurance industry that's never done anything helpful for the country but rip them off. >> that's not fair. how long have we known each other? when do i shill for insurance companies? >> apologize. >> i'm not going to. you shill for them. you gu

thanks to obama care. the whole point was to see if people to didn't have insurance -- >> the exact opposite is happening. the insured are becoming uninsured. >> and the taxpayers are subsidizing them and they were happily paying for themselves before. in some cases. thank you. >>> we have breaking news from the wall street journal. an eye opening poll on the president released moments ago. we'll have it for you after the break. and the vet raps affairs department under fire for months because they didn't have time to help thousands of struggling vets. today they were questioned on what they have been doing. wait until you hear one executive's response. >> with all due respect, mr. chairman, on the advice of my counsel i decline to answer based on my 5th amendment constitutional privilege. and just give them the basics, you know. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you

tonight, on the record investigates obama care. >> the rollout of obama care is nothing short of a debacle. >> the fact that the web site has, i think beyond glitches, whatever you want to call them is disappointing. >> we're not interested in hearing about glitches. we're interested in moving forward. >> when it comes to obama care, clearly there is an awful lot that needs to be held accountable. >> the president should man up and let us know who is responsible and who is in charge here and fire them. >> i think there certainly are some challenges. it could be smoother and easier to access. >> do you know when he first knew that there was a problem? >> well, i think it became clear fairly early on. the first pell of days. >> but not before that though? not before october 1st? >> was he being insulated from the what was he told? >> what the president made clear and is he on the record saying, this i think well ahead the launch is we expected hiccups and glitches. >> while i was optimistic that things would go smoothly. >> i think what the administration can do right now is reach out to tho

you had a vote on obama care 40 times. you lost 40 times. >> no, no, it keeps passing the house. >> the majority of votes for congress were cast for democrats. the majority in the house of representatives -- >> and how does that work? >> we had a mill yor more votes. >> million more votes for democrats than -- >> we have this whole constitutional thing. >> don't think that it reflects the majority of americans. >> and you know, correct me if i'm putting words in your mouth but i think what emily is saying, what ted cruz is doing is standing up for millions of people around the country. certainly in his district back at home who want obama care repealed, delayed, stopped. that is not represented in congress. that's why ted cruz is such a hero. because there are so many sort of flip-floppers. >> it is the movement out there. >> the house and the senate who don't have the back bone that ted cruz does. >> ted cruz is supported by a small faction of the american people. >> that's not true. >> he represent americans. i totally a

mark siegel to the obama care panel. i pity the fool who believes this garbage. >> right now health care is in trouble. and what obama care really got wrong in a big way is understanding that we're talking about the health care needs of the people of the u.s., not the health insurance needs. it's a totally different thing. before they started this, we were all in trouble with insurance to begin with. there's too much health insurance. it covers too much. too many people have it, and they can't get in my office to see me. i'm full. >> correct, dr. siegel. you are full of it. this doctor says too many people have access to preventive care, too many people won't go broke when they get sick, too many people aren't passing their urgent care costs to taxpayers. they should have a good reason to stay out of this doctor's office. but if marc siegel believes it's because he's run out of room, he can keep on pretending. [ susan ] ...as though he had never left. the end. lovely read susan. but isn't it time to turn the page on your

obama care is destroying our health care system. not one thing about it that obama promised has come to fruition. it is a lie all the way done. i could detail every one of them. >> you will default over that? >> we're not going to default. by the way, if the debt ceiling is not raised that does not constitute a default. we can still pay our debts and social security. for obama to deny that is demagoguery and dishonest. >> every president has agreed with him. >> he's the only one not willing to negotiate. >> we have another gwen stefani here. bill burton you said on twitter you only came to hang out with stephanie cutter. i hope you don't mind if i ask you a question or two. >> he had to say that. >> that was tweeted. but no, i want to ask you some questions. i actually agree with president obama that the debt ceiling default would be catastrophic. and i think that we are facing that real catastrophe. i agree with him that even flirting with the default is dangerous, and for those reasons if i were him i would do everything i could t

>> obama care? >> why. >> i think it will provide affordable insurance. >> you know, you just can't make this stuff up. when we come back, our own ainsley earhardt will join us. share your thoughts on the show or join me on twitter @seanhannity. ainsley is next. while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier. celebrex can be taken with or without food. and it's not a narcotic. you and your doctor should balance the benefits with the risks. all prescription nsaids, like celebrex, ibuprofen, naproxen and meloxicam have the same cardiovascular warning. they all may increase the chance of heart at

to sign up for obama care and avoid penalties. now, the extension was expected since h.h.s. said they planned to do it as technical problems continue to plague the web site. also tonight, many young americans, they are laughing at obama care. so what makes you think they would buy insurance on the exchanges if they are busy laughing at it and, if they don't, you tell me, where are we going to get the money? >> we're probably just overloaded with traffic, millions of americans are visiting healthcare.gov, which is great news. unfortunately, the site was only designed to handle six users at a time. >> secretary sebelius and her comments, she is already the laughing stock of america. >> i have a number of friendly tips to help you deal with those technical problems. for example, have you tried restarting your computer? >> why didn't she know that the president's signature legislation was, in fact, in trouble? >> the incompetence in building this web site is staggering. >> we don't need the government running our healthcare. >> he has

>> plus, lessons from the obama care rollout. what to make of this week's glitches and what to watch for in the days ahead. >> and a just-released u.n. report called climate change unequivocal but it can't explain the hiatus in global warming in the last 15 years. >>> welcome to the journal editorial report. gridlock continued to grip capitol hill this week as the two sides failed to reach a budget

and for those who wanted obama care? >> well, the first part is, your last statement, this is a real hope on families to have lower health care and easy to get. when we were having debates in the energy and commerce committee, it was being touted how great it would be for people to get on these plans. we're realizing now with the signature, make this an important bill is making it unsurmountable for families. we spent taxpayers' money on something that didn't work. >> you know, i think it's about time somebody said it plainly, this is pure dumb, this is stupid. and people are talking about accountability, firing someone, i think the problem, congressman, goes much farther than that and it reaches across all of government, we're right now confronting an issue that says, this, either the administration itself is too dumb to manage a program, the agency that is sebelius ran, is too dumb. that failure is becoming the routine of the day. with their government. that's an incomprehensible. >> the way i word this, from observati

we support the shut down to defund obama care or delay obama care. >> look. i respect the sincerity of the opinion but sit suicide what. you're doing is shutting the government down. there is no end game. there isn't even a middle game here, you can't continue with the government shut down. it's going to be on the head of the republicans. instead of concentrating on what is going to happen, what really is happening with obama care focusing on that, if you pass a clean cr, if you fold on this as you're going to have to, then you pivot to where strength is. you can do the threat on the debt ceiling. polls have shown countries behind you. and the president will not allow that to happen. he was hungering for the government to be shut down. he was hoping he, it will. it's the opposite on the debt ceiling he's going have to negotiate on that. that is where you can win. >> more on the other side of the break. obama care comes on line in a few hours, we'll take a look at other problems some things still have to be worked out what. administration is hoping for, will p

let the american people experience obama care. if it's as bad as conservatives rightly say it is, they will recoil from it. so that should be the republican strategy. >> now the flipside is that the democrats say republicans are scared of people seeing what obama care is because they'll love it so much, they'll be democrats. >> their theory is that they'll become addicted. >> right. >> as a heroin drip to the subsidies. i think they're underestimating the american people. i think what the republicans have to have confidence in is the ability of the american people to say, we generally vote for divided government. we want divided government, and i think you'll have a united congress against a divided -- >> all right, thank you, panel. sooyou next week. we'll continue the discussion on panel plus. >>> up next, our power player of the week. >>> as long as the army's been around, there's been someone to advice comapders on military law. now for the first time in the military's 236-year history, it's a woman. here's our power player of

not having obama care? >> okay. so all of this stuff is just making it almost impossible to understand it. but the bottom line is, that obama care is taking money from people, americans, working americans. >> right. >> in order to pay for poor americans to have health insurance. isn't that what it iall about? >> it's not just poor americans. we're talking about healthy, young americans who typically would not, even if they have got jobs. >> bill: no, no, no. the poor people who fall under a certain income. >> right. >> bill: they are going to have their whole health insurance tab. >> right, that's absolutely correct. >> that's what i'm talking about here. this is income redistribution. whatever you want. social justice. >> absolutely. >> what it is. in the meantime. everybody is influx and chaos. people losing blue cross, blue shield. etna is out of the game. they have to find new insurance agencies. >> bill, every single promise the that president obama made campaigning for obama care, 2009 and 2010, didn'

these are the effects of obama care. >> obama care is a big reason we're turning into a nation of part-time workers. >> because of obama care, millions of full-time workers can only find part-time work. >> and we're seeing our economy turn from a full-time job economy to a part-time job economy. >> we do not want a part time working america. >> a part-time economy, part-time opportunities. >> people are being divorced from full-time to part-time work. >> we're becoming part-time america because of this law. >> we're forcing people to go from full-time work to part-time work. >> it's killing their jobs, it's forcing them into part-time work. >> forced into part-time work. >> for all the people out of a job, all the people in part-time work. >> losing their jobs, being pushed into part time work. >> losing their jobs, forced into part time work. >> but luckily, we don't have to rely on politicians, pundits and anecdotes to tell us what's going on in the economy, we also have data. today we learned that full-time employment is up. and part-time employment is down since last june. and down sinc

. >> let me tell you exactly what obama care did. number one, if you have health insurance it doesn't mean a government takeover. you keep your own insurance, you keep your own doctor. >> you don't, if you're on the individual insurance market. and that is about -- well, 15 million people, potentially, many of them will not keep it. ed henry is our white house chief correspondent, what a day at the white house. >> that is right, second straight day, jay carney was pressed on whether or not the president misled the country, they pressed on this, they know they're under siege, they say anybody one, this is only 5% in terms of the people who buy their insurance and are getting cancellation letters. but as you know, 5% equals about 14 million people potentially that could get these letters, that is a huge chunk of the market, even though it is just 5%. secondly, they said what the president meant was, not what he said, was you could keep your own plan, if you had your own plan before march of 2010, signed into law, you wouldn't be affect

however, when house republicans made the defunding of obama care or even the delay of obama care their sticking point at which they would shut the government down if they didn't get it, didn't they basically make this result inevitable by making that what they took a stand on? >> well, i think you've kind of got it backwards. the house republicans said they would fund all of government, and they did. they funded all of government short of one program. so they really were never wanting to shut down government over this, they were wanting to fund government, and then have a debate -- >> they were trying to fund obama care more than 40 times. they know what the result will be. they live in the real world, too. they knew this action would lead tie shutdown, and it did. >> well, i think that when you look at legislation, when you say the president wants 100% of obama care or he will shut down the government, that's exactly what's happened. if he doesn't get 100% of his way, his way or the highway, then they won't do any spending bills that don't include everything that he wants. that's him

obama won on obama care. now they're acting like the rich kid that loses, i'm taking my ball and going home. someone has to say we made our point, we don't like the new health care law, we predicted it will fail but we respect the way the system works. the reason i wrote this new book that came out today "tip and the gipper" is to show our system can work. i was there right in the middle of it when it did. that's "hardball" for now. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. >>> good evening. from new york i'm chris hayes. tonight 20 hours in a u.s. government shutdown, republicans are facing the unpleasant reality of the world outside the conservative bubble. >> rarely have i seen an ininstance where one party is so much more responsible, guilty, than the other. >> so the stakes have really been raised in this now. >> is there any grace saving way for republicans to back themselves out of the corner? >> it's a mistake and it is hurting the republican party. >>

act, also known as obama care. the threatening to veto the gop's latest offer. the public is not happy, not amused with congress now polling just barely above single digits. the headline pretty much speaks for itself. plenty of lawmakers also have a dim view of the place. >> it is very hard from a distance to figure out who has really lost their minds. >> do you want to take it down? i don't want a government shutdown. >> i want a vote on a clean continuing resolution now. >> really lost their minds. >> my goodness, they won't even sit down and have a discussion. >> we've been dancing for a week. we just aren't being met in that tango anywhere. >> they'll say it was the mean ole republicans or the tea party or fox news or maybe even george w. bush. >> lost their minds. >> oh, the places you'll go. there is fun to be done. there are points to be scored. there are games to be won. >> i feel like i'm serving in the nation's largest kindergarten. >> really lost their minds. one party, the other party, all of us. >> so

does she have obama care, someone tweeted. obama care girl isn't getting the love the original obama girl got back in 2008 ♪ i've got a crush on obama >>> liar comparing her to joey on "friends." >> as of today i'm officially joey tribbiani, actor/model. >> reporter: but the dream job became a nightmare. on a poster warning vd. you never know who might have been it. are obama care girl's friends snickering like joey's? >> you know how laughter can be infectious. >> reporter: while the original obama girl sang of health care reform. ♪ it makes me warm ♪ >> poor obama care girl go ahead the cold shoulder. all she does is smile. jeanne moos, cnn. if this is you, call me. new york. >>> happening now, breaking news. we have disturbing new information about a deadly school shooting in nevada. we now know the name of the teacher who was killed and how the student who shot him got his gun. stand by for all the latest developments. >>> plus this. >> nobody is madder than me about the fact that the website isn't working as well as

. >> it's obama care. we're going to repeal it and replace it. >> don't worry, obama care covers pre-existing conditions. >> here is how you repeal obama care. >> we passed obama care. and it was the right thing to do. >> the candidates even debated the issue during the actual presidential debates. >> number one, i get rid of obama care. >> i have become fond of this term obama care. >> obama care was a central issue during the race. and on election night, the american people spoke loud and clear. president obama won the debate. so did senator rand paul think we wouldn't remember his selective memory on obama care? nice try, but remember this, we got you. ra. new max volume wire brush sweeps lashes up and out for bigger, longer, 3x the volume. new max volume flamed out mascara from easy breezy beautiful covergirl. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] build anything with the new toyota tundra. toyota. let's go places. see, i knew testosterone could affect sex drive, but not energy or even my mood. that's when i t

obama care is here to stay. but no. like an unstoppable humanoid robot sent from a distant future ruled by private insurers. the republican party will not stop trying to kill obama care. >> you can't be reasoned with. it doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear and it absolutely will not stop. >> they're now ready to define a new lawsuit in indiana. >> and also breaking tonight, a federal judge gives the go ahead to a lawsuit that could stop the health care law in its tracks. >> that lawsuit alleges the law as written does not allow for subsiies through federal exchanges to be applied in states that did not create their own exchange. an argument one constitutional scholar called preposterous. >> ohio republicans are fighting the medicare act. >> ohio's republican governor bypasses the state legislature to get approval to expand medicaid in ohio. >> the expansion was approved by independent committee after it was blocked by republican lawmakers in the state house and senate. it would ensure 275,000 people in the state. yeste

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obama care is here. it is time for the obama administration to level with americans about what's happening here. it is time to stop blaming republicans and start talking about what needs to change." so it's interesting to see that "the chicago tribune," the president hometown paper, is calling for exactly what i have been calling for since july -- out tone-yerar time protect the american people from the harmful effects of this law, a law the president has announced his not ready for prime time, a law that the president himself has indicated he is not willing to follow as was written. athis was again exactly what we were arguing for in july and now appears in the president hometown paper. almost everyone but the president seems to recognize that this law is going to be terrible for the american people. it is costing jobs, hurting families, making people's health care situation worse, and it will not solve the problems in our broken health care system. let me be clear -- there will be very real consequence

on obama care. it's very clear the house said they're going to fund obama care now it's trying to do things that are reasonable to try to move forward. it doesn't sound like harry reid has interest in doing that for political republicans. that is not a good sign. >> if i understood senator lee correctly is that his defunding obama care started when he looked at changes and adjustments signed into law z i sort of thought he set on telling it won't like to do it but to fund the original signed law. you know with all of the scars and problem autos let me stop you one second. leader pelosi is speaking. let's listen. >> for house democrats led with us great, based on values to reduce the did he have it and reyait jobs i'm going yield to chris. he will give perspective to what's happening tonight. and why it's not a good evening. >> thank you. madam leader. the leader said we're gathered here at a sad point in the history of the congress because what the house republicans are doing right now is voting for

they are resisting delay of obama care. i think you are hearing from members of congress who say, i can't mechanically sustain this and we have mid- term election with voters that are hopping mad about a program that is costing them their health insurance. >> stephen moore, i imagine you will write about it this weekend. >> happy halloween. >>> meanwhile top white house officials dispatched to capitol hill to do damage control. white house chief of staff dennis mcdonagh and marlin ta venner having lunch. to over see the web fixes and ta venner was on the hot seat. >> coming back next week. 150,000 in oregon will lose health insurance by this year. they have until december 15th to choose a new plan. that state has glitches as the federal site we are told and those people can't find out the options for them. oregon has not enrolled a single person so far. we want to know if you are concerned at home about your insurance changing? tweet us yes or no. all we need is one answer there. >>> people are saying more on my twitter fee

is there interest in obama care? there is interest in obama care. if you look at states where this is working, kentucky is notable. they're working on getting that state signed up. it's working. if kentucky can work, other states in the national system can work. >> but, you know, one of the things the president is going to announce that they have rolling out is that you can apply by telephone. you don't have -- you can work around this online problem. the problem with that is that this is very complicated stuff. the reason for doing it online is you need to shop around. and there are so many different options depending on your category. i think that the president is justifiably upset. they don't really have a fix. they can say all they want, that this shows a lot of people are interested. but they've got a very short window here, a couple of months. and if they don't get the 7 million people, including a large number of healthy people, this system will not work. they need the healthy people to be enrolled in order for the economics of it to work. >>

fired because of obama care. it's not who you think. first tonight right here -- >> the only thing we'll try to do is lower colorados so that the cost savingings are passed ton to you. we can cut the arch family's premium by $2500 a year. >> sflil we'll expose another lie after the breakment plus this. >> mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. [ cheers ] >> in the meantime you can bypass the website and apply by fo phone or in person. >> you will love this nrcc ad. it compares president obama's pathetic rhetoric to other great presidential speeches. that's coming up. and tune in tomorrow at 10:00 eastern for a special edition of fox news reporting. charles krauthammer, a life that matters. it will profile his life, career and over coming obstacles after he became paralyzed in college in a diving accident. tomorrow night, i am off, they are in. 10:00 p.m. eastern. [ horn honks ] [ passenger ] airport, please. what airline? united. [ passenger ] united. whoa taxi! [ british accent ] what airline, then? [ passenger ] u

care, but obama care is here. i'm asking specifically about the damage done by a troubled rollout that you're seeing in your state. >> well, that's got everybody just shaking their heads. and that's like three things. the government almost shut down. now they're tapping somebody's phone and now this thing. this is creating an issue of confidence in the minds of the american people and doubt with people around the world, which is really serious. now, here's what i think, david, at the end of the day. i think people need to sit down. the obama administration needs to open itself up and figure out how we can get some sort of bipartisan movement moving forward. we sit in a room, we figure out what's good, what's bad, how do we fix it. the problem is in washington, they talk past each other and can't seem to get anything done and it doesn't seem to make any sense. >> we start with what is the law of the land. the governor doesn't think it's going to work, but now, this is the plan and it's not working when it comes to

obama care. >> of course, it was never happening under george bush who led to one of the great crashes in financial history. it was -- >> piers -- >> it's not a partisan comment, listen human toll -- >> my point is none of this is partisan. 17 shut downs since 76 date, right, financial crisis under republican and democrat administrations, we've seen this movie a million times. >> and the thing -- >> what -- >> the government is operating -- >> when -- >> people who lose their jobs and property to the government, there is human toll all the time because of government policies, as well. you read all the stories now of employers cutting, reducing hours to 25 a week so they don't have to compile with mandates of obama care and provide the health insurance. >> josh -- >> you got single moms across this country taking two jobs for 20 hours. >> john is opened mouth at what he's hearing. >> this is a narrative republicans have made up. you can find stories but when you look at the broad economic data the

which was obama care. and they're frustrated that here it is, on the eve of the shutdown, that was the day that bop care went into effect and they hadn't been able to stop it and they latched on to the wrong strategy, sold by ted cruz, this defund deal. the three of us for months have been saying, forget about the defunding. that's not going to happen. daying was a possible plan, had they set it up months in advance, which they didn't do. >> you know, i want to press in a little bit, with what jack said before we move on. because you said all the pain and everything. i remembered reading over the past few days, and several different sources, where people were saying, you know, they called back the furloughed workers on a thursday. that means we have to work right before the weekend. i wish we could delay that until monday. i'm not saying people didn't suffer, but there were perhaps some who didn't suffer as much as they would like people to believe. >> that's right. and the american people hear that and th

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and enroll in obama care. and they're doing it through a variety of means, state exchanges, through the federal exchanges, and through, through the call-in center. that's going to continue. those are the people that matter. the people who are getting affordable health insurance for the first time. you have seen the anecdotes. it provide security many have not had in the past. >> the cite has been visited by 20 million americans. more than 500,000 apparently submitted applications. in terms of the obvious question, the penalty that comes from the end of march, to, you have to subscribe by then or get a penalty. have you considered delaying that at what point would you consider, delaying that if the answer is no at the moment. >> it is important to know, piers, we are throw weeks into a six month process. this is very early days. as was the case in massachusetts when they had a similar program at a state level. and as was the case with federal programs like children's health insurance, or medicare part d program

is there interest in obama care? there is interest in obama care. if you look at states where this is working, kentucky is notable. they're working on getting that state signed up. it's working. if kentucky can work, other states in the national system can work. >> but, you know, one of the things the president is going to announce that they have rolling out is that you can apply by telephone. you don't have -- you can work around this on-line problem. the problem with that is that this is very complicated stuff. the reason for doing it on line is you need to shop around. and there are so many different options depending on your category. i think that the president is justifiably upset. they don't really have a fix. they can say all they want, that this shows a lot of people are interested. but they've got a very short window here, a couple of months. and if they don't get the 7 million people, including a large number of healthy people, this system will not work. they need the healthy people to be enrolled in order for the economics of it to work.

obama care or no obama care for their staff. lawmakers must decide on that date and by that hour how to designate their staffers, either as official or unofficial. staffers designated as unofficial will remain in existing federal system with taxpayers, that means you, paying part of the staff's healthcare costs. of course, that's what the staffers want. they want to keep their existing plan, sound familiar? but if on the other hand o, senators and members of congress designate their staff as official, the staff is then enrolled in the d.c. health exchange. that is obama care. staffers don't want obama care, not at all. obama care will cost each individual staff more money since you, the taxpayers will not be subsidizing their premiums, so as we approach the political witching hour 5 p.m. on october 31st aren't you curious how leader harry reid and dick durbin what they will do to designate their staff. they are architects of obama care and they have been saying how great it is for you. how about for their staff? are they going t

you have guaranteed the implementation of obama care. we're talking about the statue of liberty closes. there are going to be weddings canceled at some of these locations. let's be clear. social security checks will go out. medicare, doctors will be paid. your doctor will be reimbursed for medicare and implementation of obama care continues. some of these agencies will be running at 60 or 70% of normal staff. there be work done. it will be slowed. there will be hangups. it's going to be a nightmare but there are big parts of the government going forward like getting your social security check because that's the e-mail that i'm getting. people who don't think they're going to get a check. >> people are tweeting it, piers why is your biggest worry the statue of liberty, not the thousands of people without jobs to go to. of course, jobs are more important. when you have something as iconic as the statue of liberty, the message it sends the rest of the world is washington is completely dysfunctional. >> we're the biggest business in the worl

>> if you're voting for anything that doesn't stop obama care, then you're supporting obama care. all this is being driven in part by the donors that sam talked about but because the base of the party, the primary voting base has moved so far to the right because of this political cultural backlash against obama. >> thank you, david corn, guys. i think we're on the same page roughly. it's the brand. it's the name. it may not be ethnic although a lot of its i think. >>> coming up, republican kamikaze caucus is back at work insisting if they stand firm next time they'll defund the affordable care act. guess who is leading the charge? mr. ted cruz. >>> plus -- mad money, angry money. many have had it with the tea party and sitting on checkbooks. as one bundler put it, why do i want to fuel a fire that's going to consume us? >>> why gop troubles in virginia may be a sign of things to come countrywide. >>> finally, i was lucky enough to attend a dinner in new york city last night headlined by steve colbert. >> i am proud to be america's most famous catholic. i'm sure the cardinal is th

this is about obama care. >> obama care is spending. >> defaults. defaults. do you think default is a problem? >> pardon me? >> do you think default is a problem? >> of course i think it's a problem. but i think it's worth republicans fighting. this is a hill to die on. we don't have many opportunities to bring obama to the table. and that is what it takes. obama care is destroying our health care system. not one thing that obama promised is coming to fruition. it is a lie all the way down. >> so you're going to default over that. >> we're not going to default. if the debt ceiling is not raised, that does not constitute a default. we can still pay our bill, interest on the debt and social security. and for obama to deny that is dem goingry and dishonest. >> every president is dem going. >> i know you said on twitter, you only came to hang out with stephanie cutter. that was tweeted. but i want to ask you some questions. i actually agree with president obama that the debt ceiling default would be catastrophic. and i think that we are facing that real, that rea

obama using obama care?" adding "maybe he's trying to logon or call right now." in response, i christened today national troll day. my tweet didn't escape the eye of photo-shopper known as dart. while some work in oils or water colors, he works in photo-shops. they're always hilarious. he took the poster from the horror film "troll" and gave it a new leading man in congressman radle. it's not first time he's delivered the goods for "all in." during the shutdown, i asked him, what does $20 million lit on fire look like? and this was born. some artist at the sistine chapel, he has ted cruz with a flaming pile of cash. the second awesomest thing on the internet, a football twofer. first, the ohio state marching band performed a tribute to michael jackson this weekend, and while it was really cool, the buckeye band actually brought a gigantic moon-walking king of pop to life on the field. here's the video of the choreographed routine sped up to give you a full sense of how well done the whole thing was. and while

obama using obama care?" adding "maybe he's trying to logon or call right now." in response, i christened today national troll day. my tweet didn't escape the eye of photo-shopper known as dart. while some work in oils or water colors, he works in photo-shops. they're always hilarious. he took the poster from the horror film "troll" and gave it a new leading man in congressman radle. it's not first time he's delivered the goods for "all in." during the shutdown, i asked him, what does $20 million lit on fire look like? and this was born. some artist at the sistine chapel, he has ted cruz with a flaming pile of cash. the second awesomest thing on the internet, a football twofer. first, the ohio state marching band performed a tribute to michael jackson this weekend, and while it was really cool, the buckeye band actually brought a gigantic moon-walking king of pop to life on the field. here's the video of the choreographeroutine sped up to give you a full sense of how well done the whole thing was. and while t

where oh where has the obama care website girl gone? someone tweeted. >> maybe she's happy about it. who knows? >> flesh and blood replace by soulless icons, the government says are meant to better guide those seeking insurance. we in the media were hot on tracking down obama care girl, but her trail stayed cold. i personally begged for her to reach out. if this is you, call me. never heard from her. the national review put her on its cover with the tagline "abandon hope" all who click here, the is a tissual website adjusted her eyes and captioned it stalk photos now visibly panicking. and the conservatee blog red state replaced her with a painting entitled "the scream." it was almost spooky how prophetic "saturday night live" used to be during a skit of mag fun of kathleen sebelius, snl showed the home page with obama care girl missing. before it was known she had been removed. >> consider using our little rez website with simpler fonts and graphics. >> now instead of being plastered over the shoulders of anchors, she's plastered on a

such a bad image to the anti-obama care forces. so president obama and the supporters of obama care should thank ted cruz because he is their biggest ally right now. >> conservative columnist charles krauthammer says he wasn't ready for the ride the took people on. >> how exactly was he going to achieve abolition of obama care? explain that to the me. has he ever explained it? and where is he now? are the generals? what's their strategy to get abolition of obama care? >> and haley barbour said of cruz's attempt to stop the health care law, quote, it never had a chance. and he's a smart fellow. eugene robinson is a columnist for the "washington post" and msnbc analyst. tim saltz worked for mike huckabee back in 2008. what's happening to your party in light of the cruz mission which was to go after obama care, if you will, a phrase he doesn't mind using. i prefer affordable care act. it's an act of law. and tying it to the debt ceiling, tying it to the government shutdown. was that a smart strategy politically and what has it done? h