also, zeke, i'll just say one small thing. the whole verification process for income and subsidies is on the blink. >> first of all, let's be clear that the premiums people see and you don't have to go to the federal website. you can go to california, are very good premiums and very enticing for people the sign up for. now, there is an income verification step, and that is we want to be sure that people are claiming their income as accurately as they prove -- as they claim. and this will require the irs to verify with tax returns what they are getting. now, you might imagine that the income in 2014, the income tax you have for calculating it now is going to be a 2012 income tax. and so there will be a delay, and there will have to be a reconciliation. now scott says it's always going to be in the wrong direction. that's probably not true. and as long as people are accurate about predicting their income or nearly accurate, those subsidies won't be clawed back as he claims. >> but scott -- >> wait a second. it's going to go both

>> but as zeke freeman explains, we need to care. zeke knows a lot about bees. his company, "bee raw honey", works with beekeepers all across the country. >> but, you know, the reality is, is that bees pollinate over 100 different fruits and vegetables. we're talking about strawberries, broccoli, apples, melons, pumpkins -- i mean, really basic fruits and vegetables that we eat every day. >> that's why what's happening in the bee world is causing alarm in the human world. bees are dying in droves and disappearing from hives. it's called "colony collapse disorder", or ccd. >> colony collapse disorder has affected over 10 million hives -- in fact, killed 10 million hives over the past six years. >> no one knows why this is happening. there are many theories. it could be a virus, or tiny insects called mites that attack the bees, or the problem may be man-made. >> we have pesticides that are put on everything, you know, from fruits and vegetables, beans, corn, soy, and bees fly around and they collect pollen and nectar from these plants, and, you know, those pestic

zeke, good to see you. >> great to be on the show. thank you. >> zeke, there were nearly 5 million unique visitors to the website healthcare.gov in 24 hours. we talked about glitches. what does the traffic tell you about the program? >> there its a lot of curiosity. a lot of people want to find out what it is about. what it means to them. and so i think that's all good news. i think it exceeds everyone's expectations within the first -- 24/4 hours. it is -- slow and it's very difficult and frustrating and i hope that doesn't turn off people. and that things can be fixed over the next few days. but it does tell you that the underlying interest of people is quite high. let me say, in response to that -- that comment by governor perry. you know, i want out to california to -- to shop on their website and see what kind of rates young adults could get. the 30-year-old who makes, 17,000 or 18,000 dollars a year, can get insurance the silver plan for a moderate amount of interaction with doctors, five, six prescriptions a year. $39 per month

zeke, he wanted to protect me, so he lied to them. he said he knew what they wanted and he would take them to it. when delgado finds out that he lied, he's going to kill him. (indistinct chatter) back again so soon? where's the kid, delgado? what kid? i know you got him in some basement, beating the hell out of him, but he doesn't know anything. you're not going to get your drugs back because his mother has already sold them. they're gone. are you going to make me ask you again? where is he?! hey. i think you need to start showing me a little more respect. this is my house. yeah, right. look, your lapdog is going to mess on the rug. if he doesn't get his hand off his gun... or... what are you going to do about it? (patrons screaming) (man groaning) now that i have your attention... you tell me where the kid is, and we all go home. or we all got to die sometime. you're new in town, so here's your play. here's what the guys in vegas used to say-- in the old vegas: it's your house, it's your rules. you got that right. i think you got you

as zeke explained to me, the universoul circus certainly has all that. >> we bring different people from china. we bring them from africa. we bring them from brazil. we bring them from france. jean claude -- he's out of france. we go to africa. we go all over the world. >> ♪ lean back, lean back ♪ i said, my...don't dance ♪ just pull up our pants >> what makes this circus different from other circuses? >> what makes it different to me is that it's more interactive. you're not just sitting out there, looking at the show. you actually become a part of the show. we get kids in the audience dancing. that's one of my thrills. >> as one of the cohosts, zeke interacts with the audience throughout the show. he even plays "simon says"... but with a bit of a twist. >> simon says, "open your legs like this. bend down." simon says, "arms out to the side." simon says, "wiggle your fingers like this." simon says, "swim like this." and we're going bump, da-dun, da-dun, da-dun, dun-dun, dun-dun, dun. and that's a swag surf. you got it. simon says, "swag surf." bow! alexis, you got it. >> [ chuckle

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i agree with zeke in terms of the long haul. but if you lose these people who are interested right now, it might be hd to bring them back. >> that's the issue. it's the branding issue. >> i think the president -- >> it's the branding. >> we could get them back. thank you. we'll be right back. but your erectile dysfunction - it could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical h

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zeke, take the last one, if you can. >> let's take at last one. there's talk that employers are going to take 40-hour-a-week employees and put them down to 32 hours a week. they looked at it and hours are down a little bit but it's because of the great recession, not because of obama care. when i asked senator ron johnson, republican of wisconsin, to produce for me a list of ten companies where that happened, i've got nothing. the myth about big, expense of health insurance plans, for some people who had very skimpy plans who didn't cover things like preventive services with no co-pays and didn't allow certain diseases or maternity care, they may see an increase in premiums because they'll be getting more health care. many, many other people are not going to. i talked to a gardner out in los angeles about his situation and before obama care he was being offered insurance for his workers at about $500 per worker per month. with obama care it looks like they'll be able to afford it about $50 with the subsidies. so it depends who you are but most peo

zeke emanuel, former white house adviser on health care policy, former chair -- chair of health ethics and policy at the university of pennsylvania. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me again. >> why is it important from your perspective that states do expand medicaid to cover more people? >> so, there is the health reason, which is this is the poorest people in the country that are being excluded. they're people who earn under 138% of the federal poverty line, roughly for a family of four about $27,000, $28,000. so, they're poor. they need health care just like everyone else, and they're being excluded, and they're typically working people. they work already, but their jobs either don't have health insurance or don't pay enough so that they can purchase it. and medicaid has been the solution for that problem. >> what is striking because of that, because of the people who we're talking about being most affected, who are in most need being affected by this campaign is to have these incredibly, incredibly rich guys -- >> who inherited their money, by the way, did not earn it. >

zeke emanuel. mark barnicle and mark halperin are here with us. talk about. where is that number? and how do we get there? >> first of all, i think it's fair to say inside the cancer community, we've been talking about this mo more than a decade, i've been chastising about it for a long time, as have many others. i think we need to distinguish several different flavors of this, joe. first there are drugs that are expensive but really work and are home runs. glevak is a drug for chronic leukemia. it really has been a game changer. it costs a lot of money, but it has really extended life. i think the problem is that there's another class of drugs that on average extends like 10, 20, 30, 40 days and costs $100,000 or $200,000 a year to get. that does seem, to many people, unreasonable. the big problem is doctors have continued to prescribe those drugs, and patients have continued to ask for them. i think often not understanding that they don't cure anyone, they don't prolong life a very long time, you know, a month, six weeks. that's the dilemma, and when the country says we agree, i

zeke emanuel, former white house adviser on health care policy, former chair -- chair of medical ethics and health ethics and policy at the university of pennsylvania. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me again. >> why is it important from your perspective that states do expand medicaid to cover more people? >> so, there is the health reason, which is this is the poorest people in the country that are being excluded. they're people who earn under 138% of the federal poverty line, roughly for a family of four about $27,000, $28,000. so, they're poor. they need health care just like everyone else, and they're being excluded, and they're typically working people. they work already, but their jobs either don't have health insurance or don't pay enough so that they can purchase it. and medicaid has been the solution for that problem. >> what is striking because of that, because of the people who we're talking about being most affected, who are in most need being affected by this campaign is to have these incredibly, incredibly rich guys -- >> who inherited their money, by the way,

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. >> but, zeke, i'm sure advocates want to know the enrollment numbers to trump those numbers and those against this want to know those numbers and say they're not so great. >> i think all of them are misguided. we shouldn't be focusing on the numbers at the moment, because most people aren't going to enroll until the few weeks before it becomes effective. >> well, the rnc is still filing a freedom of information act because they want to know the numbers of successful purchases and also the data on successful enrollee data collected. there's also this house hearing, and we brought this up, peter brought this up, scheduled this week for gop lawmakers calling on secretary kathleen sebelius to testify, and potentially also others calling for her resignation. how accountable do you think that she should be held for the website failures? and again, you bring up a great point about the law being a mandate, that everybody needs to get signed up for this and enroll through the website. so where is the accountability from her standpoint? >> well, the president is going to have to answer who he's

zeke, take the last one, if you can. >> let's take at last one. there's talk that employers are going to take 40-hour-a-week employees and put them down to 32 hours a week. they looked at it and hours are down a little bit but it's because of the great recession, not because of obama care. when i asked senator ron johnson, republican of wisconsin, to approach dues pr list of ten companies where that happened, i've got nothing. the myth about big, expense of health insurance plans, for some people who had very skimpy plans who didn't cover things like preventive services with no co-pays and didn't allow certain diseases or maternity care, they may see an increase in premiums because they'll be getting more health care. many, many other people are not going to. i talked to a gardner out in los angeles about his situation and before obama care he was being offered insurance for his workers at about $500 per worker per month. with obama care it looks like they'll be able to afford it about $50 with the subsidies. so it depends who you are but most peo

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zeke, is this like nullification where if a state wants to oppose a charter, they say you run it, but we hope it fails? we're not helping you? >> they're certainly taking that attitude. but i think in the end, and the end will be in the next year or so, the website is going to work. and people in those states are going to be able to buy insurance and are going to be able to to get coverage for a very good price. the people who are left out are basically the hard-working people mo earn less than 100% of the poverty line. so for a family of four, less than 23, $24,000. and aren't going to be covered in the exchange and won't get medicaid. and those are the poorest of the poor in this country. and that's a real tragedy. >> and where are they going to be? >> they're going to be in texas, in florida, alabama, mississippi. >> yeah. >> because the governors have said we don't care about those people? among republicans? >> when the supreme court decided that states could opt out of the medicaid expansion, and that innocent advised a lot of governors to say we're not going to expand medicaid,

zeke, is this like nullification where if a state wants to oppose a charter, they say you run it, but we hope it fails? we're not helping you? >> they're certainly taking that attitude. but i think in the end, and the end will be in the next year or so, the website is going to work. and people in those states are going to be able to buy insurance and are going to be able to to get coverage for a very good price. the people who are left out are basically the hard-working people mo earn less than 100% of the poverty line. so for a family of four, less than 23, $24,000. and aren't going to be covered in the exchange and won't get medicaid. and those are the poorest of the poor in this country. and that's a real tragedy. >> and where are they going to be? >> they're going to be in texas, in florida, alabama, mississippi. >> yeah. >> because the governors have said we don't care about those people? among republicans? >> when the supreme court decided that states could opt out of the medicaid expax, and that innocent advised a lot of governors to say we're not going to expand med kait kad,

zeke miller is a reporter for "time" magazine. thanks for being here. you write we're addicted to crisis governing. if that's true was there no lesson learned here? >> well, right now it's not clear whether or not washington will have learned anything from this. certainly we've heard a number of republicans say that they really don't want to do this again. the president said last night to cnn's brianna keilar that, no, he hopes we really don't have to go through this again in three months. at the same time the underlying dynamics of washington, the reasons, root causes o f this crisis are still there. it remains to be seen whether or not we're dpoing to go down this path just a few short months from now. >> it is the same group of people, right? it's interesting the overseas markets are not reacting to this government deal enthusiastica y enthusiastically. u.s. futures down about 70 points. down. are we getting to the point the markets will soon just ignore what congress does? >> certainly i think the markets have priced in today's deal. just a few days

zeke chances he hopes to get a hole in one. it is an analysis at. he is one of the many chinese entrepreneurs attending the mobile conference in san francisco. they recently raised $50 million for future company development, proving that mobile gaming is a huge prospect. >> we are advocates of the mobile gaming in china. there is revenue to be made in the china market and we want the top international space to work with us. >> fishing joy has a cult following in china. it also tiring. free open-source development engine being used by western games. china now has more than 330 million smart phones in use, exceeding all of the cell phones of any kind active in the united states. this is a wonderland that -- so it is no wonder that they are setting the agenda when it comes to the mobile space. when they want to expand to the united states, he helps them bridge the gap. >> in the path, it has always been people who get a u.s. business model in china. but now you have game development, application and sometimes you have china develop a little early and h

zeke emanuel suggesting they need to be very transparent about how it's going on with the website. >> should they? maybe they should. do they need to? no, they don't need to. i think one thing i think i've been as hard on them as anybody. i think this rollout has been completely botched. i think the website has been in bad shape. although it is, and this is really important to say, it is actually betting better. i just did by daily try and got right through account signup no problem. the front end traffic problems really have been abating. what we don't know is how bad the back end problems are and the handshake with the insurers. but it is worth saying. what matters is not get what gets hit today or tomorrow or whether or not they do a daily dashboard on whether or not the tech is getting better. it is whether in two or three or four weeks it is actually better. this thing ultimately because it is now a law and not just kind of a political abstraction in washington, this will get jujds on whether it works for the americans trying to use it. in the end there's no level of messaging or

but we're also going to talk to zeke emmanuel, the brother of rahm emanuel. he has been knee deep in obama care. we wanted to kind of move the conversation along and say okay, let's say they fix the computer stuff. that's the relationship between you and your doctor going to be like after january 1 or whenever it all kicks into effect. >> we'll be watching. 9:00 a.m. sunday morning. "state of the union." also replayed at noon. sometimes it's live at noon. >> yes, absolutely. >> candy crowley reporting. >>> the tables are turned on a former spy chief. what he thought was a private phone conversation on an amtrak train didn't turn out to be so private after all. [ male announcer ] this is jim, a man who doesn't stand still. but jim has afib, atrial fibrillation -- an irregular heartbeat, not caused by a heart valve problem. that puts jim at a greater risk of stroke. for years, jim's medicine tied him to a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but now, with once-a-day xarelto®, jim's on the move. jim's doctor recommended xarelto®. like warfarin,

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johnson: as the princes helped zeke learn how to read, they quickly learned how challenging it was to find books that depict transracial families. a family to as write, illustrate and publish that -- a children's book celebrating adoption. this book is not helping -- now helping other families form special bonds with their own adopted children. i'm grateful for the compassionate families like the princes, jesse and kasey. you are truly an inspiration. god bless you. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentlelady from illinois seek recognition? without objection, the gentlewoman is recognized for one minute. >> thank you. mr. speaker, last week the health insurance marketplace opened, giving millions access to quality health care. since then there's been too much focus on the small hiccups that are to be expected when any large program is implemented. yesterday i received a letter from a north carolina woman who lives over 600 miles from my home district in illinois. ms. kelly: like many illinoisans, she believes the positives of the aff

this was the pattern in which zeke was one of the early pioneers who escaped to the british on april 18 with the british raiding party guided them on april 21st through 22nd to get out 26 people to freedom. it is 69 then becomes 70 because one of the women was so pregnant she gave birth that night on a british warship. she was that determined that her child would be born free. another pattern we find with this very bow to escape is the runaway slaves don't come from one property. the way the document survive with the wealthiest people already the largest properties with the large plantations. in the chesapeake said great majority of enslaved people of 1812 live on farms rather than plantations. that is much for common to find slave holdings of three or four or fibers six slaves a and 70 on a plantation. there were a large numbers occasionally but the most common pattern is many farm slavery is among many masters. but they're not all coming so extends beyond the boundaries of a particular property. but then those types of neighborhoods and then forms the neighborhoods largely at night

. >> zeke miller, "time" magazine. once again, that deadline october 17th. >>> meanwhile, the gulf coast from louisiana to florida on hurricane watch. see this? could the federal government shut down impact disaster response? we'll talk about that. >>> plus, if you have not gotten your flu shot yet, and i'm talking to myself as well, you have to do it now. flu trackers have been sent home because of the shutdown, and the centers for disease control is sending out a big warning today. >>> also, most lawmakers still cashing those paychecks despite the government being closed, and one lawmaker not as all apologizing. you'll hear from him coming up. day three of the government shutdown. you're watching cnn's special live coverage. to prove to you te is the better choice for her, she's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with her all day to see how it goes. [ claira ] after the deliveries, i was okay. now the ciabatta is done and the pain is starting again. more pills? seriously? seriously. [ gro

this is why the republican approach to debt ceiling is not, like people of zeke miller of "time" has argued, the standard way of doning business in washington. this is an attempt to remake the legislative process itself and to do so by threatening to do something, the fault, that no one, including the people making the threat, believes to be in the best interest of the yeats. we can't be sure of exactly what would happen if the u.s. stopped paying its bills but at the very least it would lead to havoc in the bond market and the financial system which depends on a u.s. -- on u.s. treasuries and risk-free collateral, higher interest rates and an immediate hit to economic growth. it's not a road that anyone would want to go down and in my view it's not a road we should be considering going down. as bad as the continuing resolution is and the fight over the shutdown, i know that just behind us is a much more dangerous prospect. i wanted to warn of that. finally just to suggest to folks that i have two bills that would provide an alternative and would help us deal with the national debt a