he learned from the bay of pigs. >> absolutely! i mean, that was, i think, the bitterest lesson of all. but, oddly, with the bay of pigs has an interesting little historical wrinkle involve the "times" in that the "new york times" washington bureau actually got on to the fact that the bay of pigs invasion was impending and kennedy went to the paper and asked the paper to withhold publication and it did and then after everything went to pieces in cuba he actually said to scottie reston that he wished the "times" had gone ahead and published the damn piece because it would have saved him from his worst mistake in office. >> absolutely. the and not only saved him from the mistake but it tells you something so important. that is if that operation-- which was supposed to be secret-- had gotten so public that it was getting to reporters and editors in washington and new york he should have said "well, this is now out, it should be shut d which he didn't do. >> well, we would have been lucky if it had been shut down. >> but i think we can

organized the bay of pigs invasion. in my chapter about this, i take that from a somewhat different perspective. i noticed as i was reading through these private documents, something that i don't think that has come out in other histories. never attended any of the meetings that planned the bay of pigs invasion. he didn't know what was happening. he left it to subordinates. he wasn't even in washington on the day of the invasion. believe he was already suffering from the beginnings of dementia. a few years later, he was found wandering in georgetown, not knowing how to find his way home. disasterhe bay of pigs is in part the result of allen dulles's complete disconnection and the beginning of his fade. >> why did president eisenhower go to the two men in the first phase? what had they done that was attracted to him? >> foster dulles had been the chief foreign policy advisor to eisenhower during the presidential campaign. .t was the logical choice allen dulles was a little different. he was renowned as a terrible adminis

allen dulles organized the bay of pigs invasion. in my chapter about this, i take that from a somewhat different perspective. i noticed as i was reading through a lot of these private documents, something that i don't think that has come out in other histories. allen dulles never attended any of the meetings that planned the bay of pigs invasion. he didn't know what was happening. he left it to subordinates. he wasn't even in washington on the day of the invasion. i believe he was already suffering from the beginnings of dementia. a few years later, he was found wandering in georgetown, not knowing how to find his way home. i think the bay of pigs disaster is in part the result of allen dulles's complete disconnection and the beginning of his fade. >> why did president eisenhower go to the two men in the first phase? what had they done that was attracted to him? -- that was attractive to him? >> foster dulles had been the chief foreign policy advisor to eisenhower during the presidential campaign. it was the logical choice. allen du

during the cuban missile crisis and bay of pigs invasion said in a written in recent years quote i have reached the conclusion that oswald could not have been the one who killed kennedy and on the subject a majority of americans agree with castro while thirty percent of americans think that one man was responsible for killing j.f.k. a full sixty one percent think that the death was part of a larger conspiracy so why do so many americans doubt the official narrative when it comes to j.f.k. to talk more about this i'm joined by breaking the set hostess with the most avid martin are joining me so like i mentioned a majority of americans believe as well do not act alone why have so many people rejected the official narrative at this point and that is the official narrative quickly fell apart and unlike then and now with the advance of the internet i think all over stone's movie j.f.k. really helped people kind of understand the enormous inconsistences with the official narrative and all the really facts that came out later on right oh yeah of course the autopsy report was burned over fifty

allen dulles organized the bay of pigs invasion. in my chapter about this, i take that from a somewhat different perspective. i noticed as i was reading through these private documents, something that i don't think that has come out in other histories. allen dulles never attended any of the meetings that planned the bay of pigs invasion. he didn't know what was happening. he left it to subordinates. he wasn't even in washington on the day of the invasion. i believe he was already suffering from the beginnings of dementia. a few years later, he was found wandering in georgetown, not knowing how to find his way home. i think the bay of pigs disaster is in part the result of allen dulles's complete disconnection and the beginning of his fade. >> why did president eisenhower go to the two men in the first place? what had they done that was attracted to him? >> foster dulles had been the chief foreign policy advisor to eisenhower during the presidential campaign. it was the logical choice. allen dulles was a little different. he was reno

during the cuban missile crisis and the bay of pigs invasion said in recent years i have reached the conclusion that i could not have been the one who killed kennedy and on this subject a majority of americans agree with castro with thirty percent of americans thinking that one man was responsible for killing j.f.k. a full sixty one percent think that the death was part of a larger conspiracy so why do so many americans doubt the official narrative when it comes to j.f.k. to talk more about this i was joined earlier by breaking the set host abby martin i first asked her about why so many people have rejected this narrative. i think as the official narrative quickly fell apart and unlike then and now with the advance of the internet i think all over stone's movie j.f.k. really helped people kind of understand the enormous and consistencies with the official narrative and all the really facts that came out later on right now oh yeah of course the autopsy report was burned initially over fifty witnesses heard a fourth shot coming in from the grassy knoll area that's a lot of people here

of course there is the fiasco of the bay of pigs. he reorganizes the white house and changes the way he has meetings and changes how he talks to the generals. he becomes much more hierarchy and almost like ike and adds an element of his own which is creative and different in a way ike wasn't. so by the time we get to the cuban missile crisis, he's much more comfortable. he's much more certain. it's still a tough call. he isn't really sure that when he send the naval blockade down it will win. he knows he's kind of bluffing and knows the soviets might not back away and calls eisenhower at one point, you think they'll back off, i don't know. they might. i think they will. it's a risk worth taking. you have the old and young president making judgments on the phone about how this might turn out so by the time he gets to the speech in berlin in 1963, he's much more able to run the public and winning in public when he talks about freedom versus tyranny. gwen: domestically he had challenges which he left some of them unfinished for lyndon j

of pigs invasion to undermine the cuban revolution however in a recent interview i did with the cademy award winning director oliver stone i asked him why kennedy was so different from any other imperialist president and this is what he had to say. candidly inherited this office as a young man. and he was suspected by the military leaders of hardliners of the us that he did not believe that the wherewithal to really continue the eisenhower policy he had failed to do so in laos to go into send ground troops he trailed in cuba at the bay of pigs to give it to the air support that it needed when he failed in the vietnam to really carry through a. much more in didn't gauged process with the vietnamese she said non-combat advisors but not combat people we wouldn't be alive if kennedy had not done what he did at the cuban missile crisis where we were really at the edge of war this is they want to achieve the joint chiefs of staff wanted to go they wanted to invade cuba oliver stone could very well be right kennedy very well could have been all these things there's no doubt they pissed off pe

of pigs invasion to undermine the cuban revolution however in a recent interview i did with the cademy award winning director oliver stone i asked him why kennedy was so different from any other imperialist president and this is what he had to say. candidly inherited this office as a young man. and he was suspected by the military leaders of hardliners of the us that he did not believe that the wherewithal to really continue with the eisenhower policy he had failed to do so in laos to go into said ground troops he trailed in cuba at the bay of pigs to give it to the air support that it needed when he failed in the vietnam to really carry through a a much more in didn't gauged process with the vietnamese he said non-combat advisors but not combat people we wouldn't be alive if kennedy. not doing what he did at the cuban missile crisis we could show we were really at the edge of war this is they want to which the joint chiefs of staff wanted to go they wanted to invade cuba oliver stone could very well be right kennedy very well could have been all these things there's no doubt that it p

of pigs invasion to undermine the cuban revolution however in a recent interview i did with the cademy award winning director oliver stone i asked him why kennedy was so different from any other and perilous president and this is what he had to say. candidly inherited this office as a young man. and he was suspected by the military leaders of hardliners of the us that he did not. really continued the eisenhower policy he had failed to do so in laos to go in to send ground troops he trailed in cuba at the bay of pigs to give it to the air support that it needed when he failed in the vietnam to really carry through a a much more in didn't gauged process with the vietnamese he said non-combat advisors but not combat people we wouldn't be alive if kennedy had not done what he did at the cuban missile crisis where we were really at the edge of war this is they want to which the joint chiefs of staff wanted to go they wanted to invade cuba oliver stone could very well be right kennedy very well could have been all these things there's no doubt they pissed off people in high places after all

of pigs invasion said in recent years. i have reached the conclusion that oswalt could not have been the one who killed kennedy. and on this subject the majority of americans agree with castro the thirty percent of americans thinking that one man was responsible for killing task a full sixty one percent think that the death was part of a larger conspiracy. so why do so many americans doubt the official narrative when it comes to jfk to talk more about this i was going to earlier by preaching this eco savvy marketing. there's asked her about why so many people every project that is arrogant. he is the official mary and quickly fell apart than they like and then mounted them to me and i think oliver stone's movie if you really hope people understand the enormous and consistency is what the official narrative in all the really on the facts that came out later on during the course i will be on top to the poll was burned on initially over fifty witnesses heard a fourth shot coming from the grassy knoll area. that's a lot of peo

of pigs invasion to undermine the cuban revolution however in a recent interview i did with the cademy award winning director oliver stone i asked him why kennedy was so different from any other imperialist president and this is what he had to say. kennedy inherited this office as a young man. and he was suspected by the military leaders the hardliners of the us that he did not believe that the wherewithal to really continue the eisenhower policy he had failed to do so in laos to go in to send ground troops he trailed in cuba at the bay of pigs to give it to the air support that it needed when he failed in the vietnam to really carry through a a much more in gauged process with a view to me he said non-combat advisors but not combat people we wouldn't be alive to be. had not done what he did at the cuban missile crisis where we were really at the edge of war this is they wanted to cheat the joint chiefs of staff wanted to go they wanted to invade cuba oliver stone could very well be right kennedy very well could have been all these things there's no doubt they pissed off people in high

of pigs invasion to undermine the cuban revolution however in a recent interview i did with the cademy award winning director oliver stone i asked him why kennedy was so different from any other and perilous president and this is what he had to say. kennedy inherited this office as a young man. and he was suspected by the military leaders the hardliners of the us that he did not believe that the wherewithal to really continue with the eisenhower policy he had failed to do so in laos to go into said ground troops he failed in cuba at the bay of pigs to give it to the air support that it needed when he failed in the vietnam to really carry through a. much more in in gauged process with a view to me he said non-combat advisors but not combat people we wouldn't be alive if kitty. had not done what he did at the cuban missile crisis where we were really at the edge of war this is they wanted to change the joint chiefs of staff wanted to go they wanted to invade cuba oliver stone could very well be right kennedy very well could have been all these things there's no doubt they pissed off peop

of pigs invasion to undermine the cuban revolution however in a recent interview i did with the cademy award winning director oliver stone i asked him why kennedy was so different from any other and perilous president and this is what he had to say. candidly inherited this office as a young man. and he was suspected by the military leaders the hardliners of the us that he did not believe that the wherewithal to really continue with the eisenhower policy he had failed to do so in laos to go in to send ground troops he'd failed in cuba at the bay of pigs to give it to the air support that it needed when he failed in the vietnam to really carry through a. a much more in gauged process with a view to me he said non-combat advisors but not combat people we wouldn't be alive if kennedy had not done what he did at the cuban missile crisis with khrushchev we were really at the edge of war this is they want to achieve the joint chiefs of staff wanted to go they wanted to invade cuba oliver stone could very well be right kennedy very well could have been all these things there's no doubt they pi

he was badly burned by the bay of pigs experience. walked around afterwards saying how could i have been so stupid? and he saw charles degaulle at the end of may, shortly after that, and degaulle said to him, get the best advice you can, the smartest people you can possibly bring into your administration. but at the end of the day you must make the decision. you're the one who has to decide what is appropriate and wise, and kennedy remembered what hari truman says, the buck stops here. so he grew and he was skeptical and he had greatest tension with the joint chiefs of staff. he battled with them over the issue of nuclear weapons. >> they -- as you say, both president kennedy and bobby kennedy come off much better than the joint chiefs and many of the advisers. they were pragmatic, cared about politics and argued for military restraint, and both the joint chiefs and people like bundy and macin marry -- mcna mara tarnished their reputation biz their performance in vietnam. why was kennedy better than his advisers? >> well,. >> kennedy

of pigs invasion to undermine the cuban revolution however in a recent interview i did with the cademy award winning director oliver stone i asked him why kennedy was so different from any other imperialist president and this is what he had to say. candidly inherited this office as a young man. and he was suspected by the military leaders the hardliners of the us that he did not believe that the wherewithal to really continue the eisenhower policy he had failed to do so in laos to go in to send ground troops he'd failed in cuba at the bay of pigs to give it to the air support that it needed when he failed in the vietnam to really carry through a a much more in need and gauged process with a view to me he said non-combat advisors but not combat people we wouldn't be alive if kennedy had not done what he did at the cuban missile crisis with khrushchev we were really at the edge of war this is they want to achieve the joint chiefs of staff wanted to go they wanted to invade cuba oliver stone could very well be right kennedy very well could have been all these things there's no doubt they

in other words, not the jfk of the disastrous first 100 days in the bay of pigs, not the missile gap, cold warrior of his 1960 campaign against nixon, not the president who, for two years, disappointed the civil rights movement who could not get much of his legislator from through congress and was reluctant to engage in arms control, and sometimes seemed paralyzed of his victory in 1960. now, to understand what he accomplished and tried to accomplish in these 100 days i think have to go back to the inauguration, and specifically to robert frost, and the poem frost wrote but couldn't deliver because of the sun bouncing off the snow banks on the very cold, snowy day. two days later frost came to the white house and gave kennedy a copy of this poem and read it to him. the poem celebrated the kind of courage that kennedy had praised in "profiles in courage" from his pulitzer prize winning book, and concluded by predicting quote a golden age of poetry of power of which the beginning hour, as they party, frost turned round and said, be more irish than harvard. poetry in power is the formal

it was also a time with the cia gone wild, after the bay of pigs, kepd kenned couldn't say no to the cia. and there was murders of heads of state and attempted assassination of castro which may have come back to bite him. it was controversial time. headquarters of the vietnam war began on his beat. it was eventful and a significant presidency. >> as you know, doug you can flip on any tv station this week and you can see specials commemorating his life and his death. and we did ours two weeks ago. we looked in the conspiracy therorrist and if they have a point. and mixed results were in our investigation inconclusive. why is it five decades later, we are still fascinated with the mystery of his assassination? >> we is because the warren commission did a poor job. we may debate whether or not there was a conspiracy to kill president kennedy. it is hard to debate that there was a conspiracy for the warren commission to do a poor job. president kennedy after his assassination he was a saint and no one wanted to touch him and no television executive or editor or politician on either side

kennedy, you mentioned the bay of pigs, that happened a couple of months into his presidency, there was sort of a honeymoon period where americans are willing to forgive a new young president circumstance it too lat--is it too late for this on? >> it is never too late, i love the selection you selected there, neil, or maybe it was your producer. neil: if it is anything that you liked it is some someone else. >> i love that about an error does not become a mistake, unless you refuse to correct it. it applies to all of us, certainly to presidents, no one is expecting a president to be error-free. but they do, particular presidents to correct -- they do expect presidents to correct their mistakes and errors. neil: it gets to be a credibility issue, if you don't acknowledge mistakes, anything that comes, to the public's attention that shows, that those mistakes are there, that you had to know about them, breeds cynicism, maybe you are covering something up. people start questioning everything that you say. i don't know if we're at that stage with barack obama or people are in a cynical mood

during the cuban missile crisis and the bay of pigs invasion said in recent years i have reached the conclusion that oswald could not have been the one who killed kennedy and on the subject a majority of americans agree with castro while thirty percent of americans think that one man was responsible for killing j.f.k. a full sixty one percent think that the death was part of a larger conspiracy so why do so many americans doubt the official narrative when it comes to j.f.k. to talk more about this i was joined earlier by breaking the set host abby maher and i first asked her about why so many people have already rejected the official narrative. and because the official narrative quickly fell apart and unlike ben and now with the advancing of the internet i think all over stone's movie j.f.k. really helped people kind of understand the enormous and consistencies with the official narrative and all the really facts that came out later on right now no yeah of course the autopsy report was burned initially over fifty witnesses heard a fourth shot coming in from the grassy knoll area that

but the best known one is after the cuban -- the bay of pigs, in his administration, when having been misled by some of the carry overs from the cia from, eisenhower administration, misled by some military people, he did not appoint. he could easily have blamed them. he could have turned back and said, president eisenhower approved this, in october and november. i was just carrying out his plan. he did not do that, he did not point fingers,. neil: and he was a new president, he could have said, i inherited this botched plan. i took atlanta their wiz om -- it at their wisdom, but he would have none of it. >> he would have none, he took full responsibility, and he was rewarded for it he didn't know he would be rewarded for it his poll numbers shot up to 80%, you know the people were willing to back a president who was honest with them, that is the contrast right now with president obama. it is not just that he is not taking responsibility, we learned very clearly he misled us about whether we can make our doctor and insurance plan under the circumstances, it turns out that many american

resistance of the bay of pigs. >> i teach my course is the fact that franklin roosevelt was exceptionally shrewd about making foreign-policy. in the run-up to world war ii he operated by the proposition that before you could have a stable consensus or a foreign-policy that might cost you blood and treasure, you needed to work hard to get the public committed to that foreign-policy. roosevelt, pearl harbor was a godsend to him. i'm not suggesting for a second that he in that he and anyway engineered the surprise but it allowed him to unify the country you see, to fight world war ii. harry truman made the mistake of losing that consensus for the fighting in korea, it destroyed his presidency. johnson lost the consensus for the fighting in vietnam, destroyed his presidency. bush the mistake, weapons of mass destruction that weren't there. it undermines his leadership and left him with a terribly diminished popular support including katrina and the economic downturn, you see. we talked to obama about this and i said to him mr. president if you get into one of these wars without vital public c

part grew out of the bay of pig. part grew out of the fact he doesn't want to respond militarily to the cuban missle crisis. he alone walked us back. i think there was concern, even in the kennedy family, this could have been internal. >> no evidence has ever surface today the contrary that nobody has put together the wider conspiracy. it is hard to accept that this one lone guy with a $19 rifle could disrupt american history to that extent. people will keep looking. all the records won't be released for another three years. >> lee harvey oswald acted alone said john kerry. >>> consider this item from the wall street journal about the start of j.f.k.'s texas trip, during which he made a public appearance in fort worth, texas. >> on the morning of the 22nd, the president gazed from the window of that hotel room prior to his brief talk in the parking lot below and remarked to his aid of o'donnell, just look at that platform. with all these buildings around us the secret service could not stop someone who really wanted

this is an ongoing domestic bay of pigs. when the bay of pigs happened, allen dulles was gone. kennedy said you you know in the british system, allen, i would go. he we are in the american system and you go. do we have any names of the individuals who are briefed and all knew these things and then are still sitting right in there on top of this. >> that's funny you should ask because ed henry did ask who it was that was briefed in march. and jay carney says a variety of officials involved in the effort. so, i mean, he admits the president was briefed regularly. but jay carney won't even identify who was previoused? who, what, where and when? we never get that information as to who was briefed and when and who said what to the president. >> that's just it. in the obama white house and hhs nobody has been held accountable, which says really like a group of people that are -- they are not running a government where you say, look, i'm sorry but you have got to go, you made the mistakes, got to be held accountable. they need to be getting together of a small group that feels the wor

he was badly burned by the bay of pigs experience. walked around afterwards saying how could i have been so stupid? and he saw charles degaulle at the end of may, shortly after that, and degaulle said to him, get the best advice you can, the smartest people you can possibly bring into your administration. but at the end of the day you must make the decision. you're the one who has to decide what is appropriate and wise, and kennedy remembered what hari truman says, the buck stops here. so he grew and he was skeptical and he had greatest tension with the joint chiefs of staff. he battled with them over the issue of nuclear weapons. >> they -- as you say, both president kennedy and bobby kennedy come off much better than the joint chiefs and many of the advisers. they were pragmatic, cared about politics and argued for military restraint, and both the joint chiefs and people like bundy and macin marry -- mcna mara tarnished their reputation biz their performance in vietnam. why was kennedy better than his advisers? >> well,. >> kennedy

was kennedy targeted by the cia for the bay of pigs debacle? was he the victim of the united states military because his on that himself to war this vietnam? was fidel castro to blame, the kgb, perhaps even the secret service? some point to president lyndon johnson who was sworn in just 99 m minutes after kennedy was proceed announced dead. will we ever know the truth? >> i think it's unlikely that perhaps ever a majority of americans will subscribe to the idea that lee oswald acted alone. we're in a time that we're suspicious of what our government tells us. it is very hard to find one piece of reliable evidence that suggests that lee oswald killed john kennedy on behalf of a larger group. >> more than 1,000 sealed documents receipted to t ee eed the assassination are scheduled to be released in 2017. we'll be back with your tweets and "morning joe" just moments away. i'm tony siragusa and i'm training guys who leak a little, to guard their manhood with new depend shields and guards. the discreet protection that's just for guys. now, it's your

but of course there are other things that are not to his credit in the failed bay of pigs invasion of cuba and in. as a number of years after his death is an extra marital affairs were revealed and we shopped for a number of people. i own. it was remembered tuesday when president kennedy came into power the country was very very defiant and as it is today actually. so i see unlike many other commentators a second parallel between his time artist. i mean can a president and he was actually was was the subject of extraordinary hit hatred part of the large number of people is as is obama now and kennedy was patient. mostly because he is a catholic obama has escaped and largely because his part to lack of movement and he had to struggle with the diehards and conservatives in congress as well. and when you have it canceled. i see that i get the loan then you have in the white house you had to like us a beautiful couple you could say that about obama and michelle. true to the project to the world in the nation's use of dynamism and yet and when it comes to achievements. you did those presen

from the agony of the "bay of pigs" debacle -- >> i was too soft on communism and i told them i was ready. >> reporter: to the pink suit especially picked out to the day in dallas. >> oh, my favorite. >> i know. >> reporter: and even a nod to kennedy's obsession with abraham lincoln. >> tonight is the night i should go to the theater. >> reporter: all images from a legacy that began to be shaped in particular, by jackie kennedy almost immediately after her husband's death. >> kennedy was the ultimate figure on which we projected all of our hopes and aspirations. he was so forward-thinking and so optimistic and so inspirational to us collectively, that when he went, we lost that. >> reporter: how much of the story could be post humous mismaking, really? >> we know for a fact that his legacy is very carefully maintained, you know? and managed. i don't think that's a bad thing. that's as we would all want for anybody in our family. >> reporter: despite some 40,000 books that reported of jfk in the past 50 years, new nuggets of information continue to surface like the recently released audiot

they even tried out pat buchanan to make a comparison to a bay of pigs. i think pat knows he's off base. this isn't fraudulent in the sense that it's got its problems, just as the bush medicare prescription drug benefit did. the papers were writing, what a mess that rollout was. i think inevitably, when you do something this big, you're going to have a lot of problems. that said, i wish they had done a much better job preparing for this. i wish they had run many more activiti tests. they didn't. you know those poll numbers you were citing? a lot depends on whether you ask people, whether you approve or disapprove of the law, whether you approve or disapprove of the features of the law. and most critically, the one you had at the beginning, do you want to repeal the law. only 38% of the people in that national journal poll want to repeal the law. i guess fox has more limited influence than they think they do. >> gene robinson, i referenced this earlier in this broadcast. i spoke to a lady on my radio show today, she called in and said she went through the

part of it grew out of the bay of pigs. and the fact he didn't want to respond militarily to the crisis. so i think there was some concern, even in the kennedy family that this could have been internal. but no evidence has ever surfaced to the contrary that nobody has put together the wider conspiracy, but it is hard to accept that this one lone guy, loser guy with a $19 rifle could disrupt american history to that extent. so people are going to keep looking and not all the records have been released and they won't be another three years. >> lee harvey oswald acted alone. kennedy's inkling. consider this item from if wall street journal about the start of jfk's texas trip during which he made a public appearance in fort worth, texas. " on the morning of the 22, the president gazed from the window of that hotel room prior to his brief talk in the parking lot below and remarked to his aid, just look at that platform. with all these buildings around it, the secret service couldn't stop someone who really wanted to get you." qu

we had the bay of pigs. we live through that. imagine my fear in history class at 11:00 when we did not know if we were going to be hit or not. but we did not have the red and blue problems we have today. because eisenhower was talking to kennedy. that was a purple situation. and he was really helpful, any once you help -- and he wanted to help. and the decision that was made was the right decision. so we got through it. we got through some of the hardest times, where people had a voice. kids got up and spoke. we had some tragedy inside of that. but we thought we could make a difference. that is what was great. laughing. we thought we could make a difference. just by opening up this conversation, saying things, colleges, speaking out. we had an opinion, a point of view. we mattered. now we cut to today. instead of watching four channels, six channels, we have hundreds. we have news that is running on cable, reprocessing the same information. we are being in printed with this information and it is usually information, grabbing eye

even jfk, he had his bay of pigs moment. i think the senators know better than to county him out. we have senator ben cardin and senator tim cot. welcome to both of you. now, listen, i am concerned, because i have been watching all this footage from the kennedy era. it seems like there was a time when you had the parties cooperating, working together, now it looks like a big mess, even on something as simple as getting judges approved through the senate. we're going to have to have a nuclear option to get judges approved? what is going on in the senate? >> having a nuclear option is like having obama care 2.0. the fact of the matter is over the last 15 years we've seen only two defeated. so the fact of the matter as it result to getting judges approved, it's happening form the question we really should look at is why can't we find a legislative common ground, lower taxes, p ultimate people back to work and get back to the primary question, which is americans want jobs. >> we will get to that. but, i do have this concern, this one sticking around around the dc court, we are not hea

thehe bay of pigs, usually term fiasco is associated with the bay of pigs. the utter failure to remove castro. yet because president kennedy went out and gave a press conference and said, i am the responsible officer of this government, i am the responsible one, his opinion ruble -- approval rating went up to 83%. >> and also, when the soviet missiles went into cuba, the joint chiefs said it -- you won't taking much of a risk, he knew to be skeptical of them in a way that he was not at the time. >> and he refashioned his entire administrative procedure by making these kinds of decisions. >> andrew, from south carolina. you are on. >> thank you for having me on. i was wondering how -- what was her astrological sign and how did this shape your worldview? inshe was interested astrology. she was born on july 28, 1929. perhaps our color could tell us. i think that this is leo. my wife was born on the same day. so i have a bit of a leg up. who cameis the woman to see me in richmond who plotted out the astrological signs of the entire kennedy family? listening to j

. >> following the disastrous attempt to topple castro in the bay of pigs invasion, the president was furious with the cia. >> this was a struggle of cuban patriots. >> castro's troops outnumbered the cia-backed operation. the president felt humiliated and promised to, quote, splinter the cia into 1,000 pieces. >> he already had plans to set up a new intelligence agency where robert kennedy was going to head this new vacancy. what robert kennedy didn't know when he first came into office, was that they had been recruited by the cia, but also marcello to assassinate fidel castro. >> they had enterprises, gambling, horseracing, they wanted to get back into the business of making money in cuba. >> two months before kennedy's murder, odds walled applied for a cuban visa at the cuban embassy in new york city. >> oswald was try -- there were numerous such plots, they were ongoing in 1963. some were organized by the cia, some by the mob, exactly who was behind this one, i don't know. >> but the mob grew angrier with the attorney general's all out war against organized crime. >> did you say t

of pigs to give it to suit the air support that it needed when he failed in the vietnam to really carry through a a much more in gauged process with a view at the me he said non-combat advisors but not combat people so if this was going on that he was fighting and this is known now this is all come out now not when the film came behind the scenes tremendous civil war. and fifty years later right now if evidence came out that implicated the u.s. government or ellen. it's up the government and his assassination how do you think the american people would react what you're asking me if it came out now i think we've reached a sort of a because of kennedy's death that we went back in time i think we had a backlash of conservatism ronald reagan and all the presidents i mentioned in those clips and they they brought us to a place for far more to the right than we were when kennedy was alive this is a shame and but this is a bit american military intelligence policy security policy that has built up since world war two look the soviets disappeared in one thousand nine hundred one we kept right o

of pigs to give it to suit the air support that it needed when he failed in the vietnam to really carry through a a much more in gauged process with a b. at the me he said non-combat advisors but not combat people so this was going on that he was fighting and this is known now this is all come out now not when the film came behind the scenes tremendous civil war. and fifty years later right now it is irrefutable evidence came out that implicated the u.s. government or el. the government and his assassination how do you think the american people would react what you're asking me if it came out now i think we've reached a sort of a because of kennedy's death that we went back in time i think we had a backlash of conservatism ronald reagan and all the presidents i mentioned in those clips that they they brought us to a place for far more to the right than we were when kennedy was alive this is a shame and but this is a bit american military intelligence policy security policy that has built up since world war two look the soviets disappeared in one thousand nine hundred one we kept right o

of pigs to give it to the air support that it needed when he failed in the vietnam to really carry through a a much more in gauged process with a view of the me he said non-combat advisors but not combat people so if this was going on that he was fighting and this is known now this is all come out now not when the film came behind the scenes tremendous civil war. and fifty years later right now it is irrefutable evidence came out that implicated the u.s. government or elements of the government and his assassination how do you think the american people would react or you're asking me if it came. now i think we've reached a sort of a because of kennedy's death that we went back in time i think we had a backlash of conservatism ronald reagan and all the presidents i mentioned in those clips that they they brought us to a place where were far more to the right than we were when kennedy was alive this is a shape and but this is a bit american military intelligence policy security policy that has built up since world war two look the soviets disappeared in one thousand nine hundred one we kept

in april of 1961 he authorizes bay of pigs invasion of cuba, which is a total disaster. he said himself in a parliamentary system i would have had to resigned. he called dwight eisenhower to come to camp david and eisenhower asked him a critical question that every president since would be well advised to ask, which is did you have a meeting with everyone involved? did you ask all the questions? kennedy admitted he hadn't. in october 1962 when we came as close as we ever have to nuclear armageddon, what did he do? a 13-day running meeting where he deliberated the issues and came out on the other side of the most -- what was called the most dangerous hour in human history. he was learning how to do this. the tragedy of today is what we lost in the sense of a very bright man who understood history and wanted to make a difference. >> you know, ryan, we talk about the kennedy era as this sort of halcion, rosy time, when we had a functioning congress and we had this great leader who recei recei rhetoricaly was learning the ropes on stage. his life tragically cut short, unsung

of pigs to give it to the air support that it needed when he failed in the vietnam to really carry through a a much more in gauged process with the get the me he said non-combat advisors but not combat people so if this was going on that he was fighting and this is known now this is all come out now not when the film came behind the scenes tremendous civil war. and fifty years later right now it is irrefutable evidence came out that implicated the u.s. government or elements of the government and his assassination how do you think the american people would react what you're asking me if it came out now i think we've reached a sort of a because of kennedy's death that we went back in time i think we had a backlash of conservatism ronald reagan and all the presidents i mentioned in those clips that they they brought us to a place for far more to the right than we were when kennedy was alive this is a shame and but this is a bit american military intelligence policy security policy that has built up since world war two look the soviets disappeared in one thousand nine hundred one we kept bra.

kennedy in 1961 after the bay of pigs he went on tv and said i am the responsible officer of this government. period. that -- the 308s -- the polls went up after that. >> the apology looks forced. it did not seem sincere. but the larger picture, maybe the instance with "new york times" this president has been pummeled for three or three weeks by the we media. it has been relentless. between that and the cbs story that turned out to be false going after the administration on benghazi, we should be sitting back and say, wait, what is this about the liberal mainstream media? >> aren't you one of those people in the media? >> absolutely. >> and people on your side, they are not lying the president's apology because he never said, yes i misled the country or i'm sorry. he talked about impact of his words. it is about hundreds of thousands of people, 3.5 million, being kicked off the insurance rolls by plans they thought they could keep. >> lot of journalists and thinkers on the left are feeling that they were lied to and this administration knew this was not going to be the case. maybe the people

of pigs. during the cuban missile christ. he said no. he thought that if you have a long strulle to st-- struggle t stop communism. >> patrick, i know you're involved in mental health care. does this obama care roll out raise doubting about big government solutions? >> i think president kennedy was so universally beloved because he was setting the goals. in our own lives and the life of our government we're not always that efficient. but the goal is right. the goal is to treat others as we ourselves would like to be treated from the vantage point that you don't want to be discriminated against. to let's examine what this goal is. do we have trouble implementing it? >> yes, i think it is. we have to fik this, but if we work together, i think we can attain and achieve anything. and that was his inspiration to all persamericans. >> finally, for anybody that was old enough to be around at that terrible time, there is a question of how much the world changed that day, november 22nd, 1963 before the

and its always after watergate, the bay of pigs, that i hear presidents apologize, this is in the middle of it, but not seeming like mr. fix-it there. i think that they have to get involved with the senate here and you have to see better messaging. i think democrats everywhere you ever once in a while will say i wish the people who ran the campaign would run the white house. they're able to message and this white house has been proven not to message very well. >> president's are not inclined to apologize, but in this case it was inadequate. people believed the president didn't keep his word. what he has to say is i'm going to keep my word. that is what clinton is urging him to do, i made a promise, i'm going to keep that promise. keep the promise, that's what he must have do. >> look forward to having you back. thanks for joining us tonight. >> we turn now to the philippines, and -- i'm sorry, we have a problem with our connection with the philippines. we'll try to get to the philippines in just a moment. right now, we will take a break and coming up, a shocking report raising concerns a

cold war, came off the fiasco with the bay of pigs. there were a lot of things about his foreign policy people questions. what do you think? >> you left out one of the most important reason s he probably wouldn't be as welcome in the democratic party. he favored lower taxes. >> i said that. >> listening to that guy who, you know, has long since passed, i couldn't stand him either, kennedy's brother. the point is, lower taxes. i didn't know he was pro life. >> catholic. >> all catholics aren't pro life. anyway, long story short, i would say he would not be welcomed with open arms by the bill mahers and michael moores. >> can i point something ut? yesterday, you touched on it, gettysburg, yesterday, 150th anniversary of it. president obama doesn't go to the anniversary of it and says he blames the website thing. come on. >> i think that was a real mistake. that was an opportunity lost. >> you're going toask me a question. >> would jfk be president if it weren't for tev? >> no, he would not have. life could be hectic. as a working mom of