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we saw how well karl rove did in 2012. i don't think he could plan that far ahead to create the tea party in 2010. that was a creation of what happened in 2009 and 2010. not just with barack obama but with george w. bush a big spending republican who spent us into debt. he gave us medicare part b. >> jon: but they don't ever talk about it in that matter. they say the deficit is from bush. >> that pisses me off. i was here in 2004 his a book before the election in 2004 i said bush is bankrupting us. his foreign policy is going to bankrupt us. we're going to lose the next election and going to wreck the economy. now i'm being attacked for writing things like this saying we seriously we probably shouldn't drive the beer truck off the cliff. i'm saying the same exact thing. i'm against big government republicanism. >> jon: you are saying the past ten years have all been because we didn't listen to you? >> exactly. exactly. at least the republican party. now you know! not you. i don't think i would have ever influenced you but

and will we have the karl rove, 501 c 4s, will karl rove in that world all start screaming abut this. saying this is unfair. you are fryitrying to shut us d. if they do. what they're arguing against is enforcement of the law as written. >> i think that's absolutely correct. the same way that this tape party targeting scandal was a phony scandal as revealed on the show. it was initiated. by a republican staffer in the cincinnati office. and there was never any obama administration involvement what so ever. i think you will hear this same dishonest characterization of the motivation to make this change. there are two things to keep in mind there. the first thing is -- all of the groups like the karl rove groups who are complaining that this is some effort to suppress their political activity. the 501 c 4 gives organizations like karl roves, the cloak of secrecy. they like dark money. they want big contributors. the millions of dollars. have contributors never, never identified. i think you will hear the claim this is an effort to suppress speech by conservatives. the rules will obviousl

and will we have the karl rove, 501 c 4s, will karl rove in that world all start screaming abut this. saying this is unfair. you are frying trying to shut us down. if they do. what they're arguing against is enforcement of the law as written. >> i think that's absolutely correct. the same way that this tape party targeting scandal was a phony scandal as revealed on the show. it was initiated. by a republican staffer in the cincinnati office. and there was never any obama administration involvement what so ever. i think you will hear this same dishonest characterization of the motivation to make this change. there are two things to keep in mind there. the first thing is -- all of the groups like the karl rove groups who are complaining that this is some effort to suppress their political activity. the 501 c 4 gives organizations like karl roves, the cloak of secrecy. they like dark money. they want big contributors. the millions of dollars. have contributors never, never identified. i think you will hear the claim this is an effort to suppress speech by conservatives. the rules will ob

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talking about statistics being pulled out of the bottom of central bankers and these guys including karl whalen was suggesting that they would never lie they're professionals they wouldn't lie about statistics c.p.i. is c.p.i. inflation is inflation we wouldn't lie about it at all let me just jump in there for a second because a problem with the academic like a car away on a technocrat is that they keep these cars in silos they give a little piece of the puzzle to work on to justify that little piece of the puzzle they never see the big picture so so it is like a professional money manager or somebody who's in the journalism you see the bigger picture and you see the results of having little siloed men little men in their silos doing little jobs coming up a little algorithmic formulas when they add all that up is the banality of evil is it human down to it's kind of a financial tell terry ism generated by little men with their little calculators in silos with no light from the sun well exactly somebody at the troika was focusing on unemployment numbers in ireland and the number of looks

great to see you, karl. >> next time i'll bring the white board. and then i personally have to pay for the white board. >> so instead you wrote down some numbers on a white piece. paper. let's talk about between paying customers signing up and medicaid customers. >> remember, as of the end of october the goal, into hit the 7 million target by the end of the march 31st enrollment period they have to have roughly 1.2 million people sign up in the exchanges. and that doesn't look like it's anywhere close. you mentioned, you know, north carolina one. delaware four. colorado 3400. but 34,000 had enrolled in medicaid. in oregon zero had signed up for private insurance, 52,000 had signed up for medicaid. so what that means is that the medicaid is basically free and so it's much more costly per enrollee than the cost of the exchange. >> what will happen, karl. if you don't have anybody signing up what will happen? >> it will drive up cost. first, the people who are most likely to sign up are older and less healthy. which means their premiums are going uply

karl rove joins us now. karl, the first thing i thought when i heard about this delay was, hmmm, it's not exactly a friday afternoon dump like you would call it in washington, d.c. but it's pretty darn close. what's the first thing you you thought when you heard about this latest delay? >> well, the first thing i thought of is, look, this is not the worst thing about this particular program. the shop program. they actually had a huge failure in april, in april they announced that they would not -- if you were a small business and you wanted to go buy a shop plan, for small business, you wouldn't be able to pick a variety of plans for your employees and it would be one. it was not going to be until 2015 that the government was going to be able to offer you a consumer choice that is to say a menu you can say to your employees you can take a gold plan, a silver plan and a bronze plan. those are the three plans the government allows. you had to pick one for them. this program was already deeply unattractive to s

that is the question that surfaces here, karl. is this a moment that makes people who thought they liked big government say, you know what? i don't and i want smaller government. i want to make my own choices? >> i think charles is absolutely on target. this is the centerpiece of president obama's domestic strategy and it was built out of hubris, out of a false pride a bunch eggheads sitting in the west wing of the white house could somehow reorder the, 1/6 of the american economy through a series of laws, rules and regulations. we are a large diverse nation that does not work that way. they were takeing a system where 85 to 90% of people, who had insurance were comfortable with it and upending all of those people. that you do not do that without consequences politically, culturally and economically. and we're starting to see this play out in the lives of ordinary americans and reaction to president obama's scheme, to president obama's ambitious agenda is going to be very negative for the liberal image. martha: people were told, w

talking about statistics being pulled out of the bottom of central bankers and these guys including karl whalen was suggesting that they would never lie they're professionals they wouldn't lie about statistics c.p.i. is c.p.i. inflation is inflation we wouldn't lie about the problems of jumping in france like it was a problem with the damage like a car away on a technocrat is that they keep these cars in silos they give a little piece of the puzzle to work on to justify that little piece of the puzzle they never see the big picture so so it is like a professional money manager or somebody who's in the journalism you see the bigger picture and you see the results of having little siloed men little men in their silos doing little jobs coming up with little algorithmic formulas when they add all that up is the banality of evil is it you hand out with kind of a financial tell terry ism generated by little men with their little calculators in silos with no light from the sun well exactly somebody at the troika was focusing on unemployment numbers in ireland and the number of looks better bett

talking about statistics being pulled out of the bottom of central bankers and these guys including karl whalen was suggesting that they would never lie they're professionals they wouldn't lie about statistics c.p.i. is c.p.i. inflation is inflation we wouldn't lie about the problems of jumping in france like it was a problem with the damage like a car away on a technocrat is that they keep these cars in silos they give a little piece of the puzzle to work on to justify that little piece of the puzzle they never see the big picture so so it is like a professional money manager or somebody who's a in the journalism you see the bigger picture and you see the results of having little siloed men little men in their silos doing little jobs coming up a little algorithmic formulas and all that up was the banality of evil is it human down to it's kind of a financial tell terry ism generated by little men with their little calculators in silos with no light from the sun well exactly somebody at the troika was focusing on unemployment numbers in ireland and the number looks better and better not c

talking about statistics being pulled out of the bottom of central bankers and these guys including karl whalen was suggesting that they would never lie they're professionals they wouldn't lie about statistics c.p.i. is c.p.i. inflation is inflation we wouldn't lie about about all the let me just jump in there for a second because a problem with the damage like a car away on a technocrat is that they keep these cars in silos they give a little piece of the puzzle to work on to justify that little piece of the puzzle they never see the big picture so so it is like a professional money manager or somebody who's in the journalism you see the bigger picture and you see the results of having little siloed men little men in their silos doing little jobs coming up a little algorithmic formulas when they add all that up is the banality of evil is it human down to it's kind of a financial tell terry ism generated by little men with their little calculators in silos with no light from the sun well exactly somebody at the troika was focusing on unemployment numbers in ireland and the number looks b

you should talk to karl and i would love to talk to karl so i say that now i say well how his car in no goes he's about eighty percent ok so so he cut to you know he walks me of the building you know three weeks later he sets me up with carl reiner so i go to call ryan's house and you know we you know i set up the mikes i'm greeted by george shapiro his manager and nephew who's in his seventy's and you know i set up the mikes you know karl sits down shapiro sits across from us immediately falls asleep like within a sleeping during the interview and then you know in the middle in the middle of our interview you know at a no work. right at the beginning actually you know you spend a lot of time together what do you do he works and he goes it has something to do with chicken feathers and maybe i'll tell you i'm like i don't know what's happened in the middle of the interview goes he goes you know many jews were involved in broadway musicals mike i have no idea because a lot i saw television show there's a list of jews at the end right and he goes i'm going to show you that list and i'm

and karl rove wing of the party is going after the tea party, this does not look good. what do you make? >> i think, we have one issue that unifies republicans and conservatives that is opposition to obamacare, i think they are crazy to be fighting each other, not that tea party is so innocence, they denounced half of republicans in washington, and whether mcconnell or others. you know some adults like i consider karl rove, ought to stand up, say, let's not have this fight. here is a most -- >> karl rove, we can look at bam alabama. >> i think that is look the democrats are just starting to splinter over obamacare. and the way it is pushed by obama. and republicans ought to unify and press. >> first thing we need is an apology from karl rove, and john mccain, apologize to ted cruise and the tea party, we were righ right -- >> a big warm hug and kiss? >> i am one of the original founders of this movement, i tell us we need to get back to tax enough already, the problem is others have polluted tea party, large institutional groups, we have large over gap in where we agree

and karl rove wing of the party is going after the tea party, this does not look good. what do you make? >> i think, we have one issue that unifies republicans and conservatives that is opposition to obamacare, i think they are crazy to be fighting each other, not that tea party is so incence, they denounced half of republicans in washington, and whether mcconnell or others. you know some adults like i consider karl rove, ought to stand up, say, let's not have this fight. here is a most -- >> karl rove, we can look at bam alabama. >> i think that is look the democrats are just starting to splinter over obamacare. and the way it is pushed by obama. and republicans ought to unify and press. >> first thing we need is an apology from karl rove, and john mccain, apologize to ted cruise and the tea party, we were righ right -- >> a big warm hug and kiss? >> i am one of the original founders of this movement, i tell us we need to get back to tax enough already, the problem is others have polluted tea party, large institutional groups, we have large over gap in where we agree i

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talking about statistics being pulled out of the bottom of central bankers and these guys including karl whalen was suggesting that they would never lie they're professionals they wouldn't lie about statistics c.p.i. is c.p.i. inflation is inflation we wouldn't lie about about let me just jump in there for a second because a problem with the academic like a car away on a technocrat is that they keep these cars in silos they give a little piece of the puzzle to work on to justify that little piece of the puzzle they never see the big picture so stone is like a professional money manager or somebody who's a in the journalism you see the bigger picture and you see the results of having little siloed men little men in their silos doing little jobs coming up a little algorithmic formulas and all that up was the banality of evil is it human down to it's kind of a financial tell terry ism generated by little men with their little calculators in silos with no light from the sun well exactly somebody at the troika was focusing on unemployment numbers in ireland and the number of looks better and

three senators including karl levin broke with democrats to vote against the change. in an unscheduled visit to the white house briefing room, president obama argued that the move was necessary to break an unprecedented level of gridlock. >> the vote today is an indication that senators believe as i believe that enough is enough. what's at stake is not my ability to fulfill my constitutional duty. what's at stake is the ability of any president to fulfill his or her constitutional duty. >> the senate fight has been mostly over the president's picks for federal judgeships as republicans fear. these appointments will tip the balance in the courts away from the gop, particularly in the d.c. circuit. while democrats have a 55-45 majority, the 45 republicans can hold up and stop any presidential appointment they choose. things have escalated in the past few weeks after republicans successfully blocked three nominees to the d.c. circuit. this is the country's second highest court. they hear a lot of challenges to regulations made by the federal government. pretty important

talking about statistics being pulled out of the bottom of central bankers and these guys including karl whalen was suggesting that they would never lie they're professionals they wouldn't lie about statistics c.p.i. is c.p.i. inflation is inflation we wouldn't lie about about well let me just jump in here for a second because a problem with it for them is. like a car while in a technocrat is that they keep these guys in silos they give a little piece of the puzzle to work on to justify that little piece of the puzzle they never see the big picture so so it is like a professional money manager or somebody who's a in the journalism you see the bigger picture and you see the results of having little siloed men little men in their silos doing little jobs coming up a little algorithmic formulas and all that up was the banality of evil is it human down to it's kind of a financial tell terry ism generated by little men with their little calculators in silos with no light from the sun well exactly somebody at the troika was focusing on unemployment numbers in ireland and the number looks better

can you hear me karl? if they are on pace not to make the 7 million by the end of march then what will happen? >> well, remember this whole affordable care act was sold as a -- we're going to provide comprehensive universal care to every american. that's not true. at the end of the day even the cbo says congressional budget office says 30 million people in the united states will be without insurance when the affordable care act is completely up and going. but if they end up getting fewer than 7 million people in all likelihood two things will happen. one is the economics of this will be very bad. because the people who are most likely to sign up, the small terrify population you have sign up the more likely it is that it's less healthy, sicker people who will draw on that insurance more so cost per person will go up dramatically. second of all it means that all of the revenue that's supposed to be generated for this thing may be insufficient to handle it and the deficit will go up. >> we're told of those w

karl we talked about this at great length in our opening debate. how much trouble is obamacare in? the website, cancellations, the whole deal going forward. >> big trouble. the president's job approval rating is tied for the lowest in his term, disapproval rate at its high efpl. the law has gotten more unpopular in the last week or so. these problems are going to continue. let's put this in perspective. the individual market is being affected. there are about 150 million people who get insurance through their employer. # -- 90 million will be unaffected. those are plans governed by erisa. a total of about 75 ph-bgt plans. in 2010 the department of health and humans services said at least 14 million people are going to lose coverage. that would be 20% of the people in america governed by obamacare who today have health insurance would lose it. other estimates are as high as nearly 50% of people who have health coverage subject to obamacare are going to lose it. that's going to be rolling out over the next year. >> the new yorker had one of its classic covers this week. let's put it

juli pace, karl rove, and evan bayh. karl, we talked about this eat great length. how much trouble is obama care? ? >> in trouble. the president's job approval rating is now tied for the lowest of his term and his disapproval rating it at his highest and the law has gotten far mar unpopular and these problems are going to continue. let's put this in perspective, the individual market is being affected, but let's remember there is about 150 million people that get insurance through their employer. 90 million are unaffected. those are self funded plans governed by risa. so there is about 15 million in the individual market, so a total of about 75 million. the department of health and human services said 20 people would lose their coverage. other estimates are as high as nearly 50% of people. that is rolling out over the next year. >> all right, the new yorker had a classic cover. you can see president obama, secreta secreta secretary sebelius crossing her fingers. i'm sure the white house isn't laughing. >> they're in a holding patter. no one expected the website to

karl rove comes back from austin, texas. karl, how are you? everybody has been focused on the website. a few people talking about premiums and deductibles going higher. what do you believe the focus for obamacare will be when america comes back from its break. >> the media will focus on the website and the administration is saying it will work better than it did on october 1. well, it didn't work on october 1. they are discouraging -- reports are they are discouraging allied organizations from pushing people to the website on monday for fear it will collapse and they are looking for alternative ways to sign up people. even if you have a good experience on signing up, there is a part of the website that transmits the information to insurance companies that is still broken which means it will add to the cost of getting you signed up and perhaps even delaying people past the january 1 start date. bill: you mentioned in the "new york times" we were told they want people to talk about obamacare over thanksgiving dinner. now the story suggests they

, we have not talked for a while. >> hello, karl! >> lucky man. good for him. >> we will see if you do good with sun. take advantage. you know things can change on a dime. possibly that would be next beak. today we have wind. they are not fast in the lower levels around three to eight miles per hour but above a 1,000' to 2,000' temperatures are not so cool. the dancing lights are on the bay bridge. they look like dancing clouds. sunny today. warmer than yesterday. tomorrow we have slowly tapering temperatures thursday through moaned dropping a couple of degrees and we are 10 or 15 degrees cooler and cooler than we should be for this time of the year in the seven-day outlook. also, a chance of rain next week. the jet stream shows the blue arrows moving off to the east with high pressure undercutting from the ocean but to the northeast bringing us the offshore wind and warmer-than-average weather today and tomorrow and low-to-mid 70's for the south bay and los gatos at 73. we could have a few extra 60's in santa cruz and milpitas. we h

for tonight's politically corrected on correcting karl rove and last night's o'reilly factor bill o'reilly had rove on to explain the big disability cause he believes explains the increase in social security disability recipients rove attributed the increase in social security disability recipients to a lack of fraud protection in programs like social security and medicare take a look. private insurance companies have a financial necessity of making sure they stop fraud there are no fraud protections in medicare medicaid social security none in fact rove is just plain wrong medicare medicaid and social security all have fraud prevention programs in place to protect prevent and recover money from any cases of fraud department of health and human services recently released a fact sheet about the medicare fraud program that details the variety of laws in place that punish medicare fraud which criminalizes the government being overcharged or knowingly defrauded by medicare recipients doctors or third parties for example between two thousand and two thousand and two florida governor rick scott'

abc's chief white house correspondent jonathan karl starts us off. >> reporter: during the first month just 26,000 people were able to select health insurance through the federal website or over the phone, a stunningly low number. 14 states and d.c. operate their own health insurance market places and did better, nearly 80,000. all tolled obama care is way behind the administration's goal of 500,000 for the first month and the 7 million they hope to enroll by march. those numbers and who they sign up are critical to making obama care work. even before the numbers came out today, the white house put the blame on the troubled website. >> i can only tell you that we fully expect that the numbers will be even lower than anticipated because of the significant challenges caused by the website. >> reporter: but that line is not quieting anger in congress where today the most eye popping revelation came from one of the government's top accountants, the first official estimate of how much the website has cost so far. >> by the end of september it was north of $600 million spent. >> reporter: $6

. >> what's interesting in the senate and john mccain and more senior democrats and republicans, karl levin was a democrat that voted against it, said most democrats serving now don't know what life in the minority is like. 33-55 senate democrats have only known the senate in the majority. karl levin voted against it this week and said that very same thing is that you have to think of this as an institution and not just as your personal prerogative right now. to think that -- and republicans have been rather candid in saying when we take over, and eventually we will take over, that we are going -- we have every right -- you have set the precedent that the majority can change the rules with just the majority vote and mitch mcconnell said on the floor, it may happen sooner than you think. >> talking about hinting the 51 votes roll back health care. gwen: the white house has made the case they've been subject to more filibuster or obstruction than any other president in the history of the world. is he right? the numbers are hard. >> it's hard and i shy away from using extreme numbers as

karl rove wrote publicly what he was up to. the democrats didn't catch up to it in 2010. the democrats just going to have to sit there -- until 2020. until the next redistricting census before they can actually seriously take on the problem. awe off the demographic change favor democrats pretty extraordinari extraordinarily. in the late decade. some changes will start to overwhelm even the effort of redistricting. some of the redistricted districts don't have a huge margin. they don't win 65-35. 55-45. so as the demographics change. some will be worn down. we are stuck with this for a decade. >> one of the striking things abut th about this is that the republicans don't play it safe once they get elected within the new district. they, they, in the past when you would see redistricting like this t. the w this, the winner would play down the middle. they know there are mixed voters in the district. the republicans with the 55 levels of the majority in their district go, pretty far. in the republican direction. once elected. >> there is always the threat of the primary from

jonathan karl with abc asking those questions. this goes back to a story first reported on abc from an h.h.s. war room memo released by the house oversight and government reform committee in which it says, quote, the paper am captions allow people to feel like they are moving forward in the process. at the end of the day, we are all stuck in the same cue. in other words, it has to be put in the web site. we're back with the panel. it's interesting to watch these briefings get more tense as the days goes go on. >> who says the white house briefings aren't no fun. come on. this is another angle of the story that is going to have some legs mostly because you can't get on to the web sight, so you do have to call over the phone out you do have to fill out a paper application at this point. and there has been this sense that that is a faster, easier way for you to enroll in healthcare and if everybody is getting funneled eventually through healthcare.gov and healthcare.gov is still having problems well then that's simply not happening.

for tonight's politically corrected i'm correcting karl rove i was nice o'reilly factor bill o'reilly had rove on to explain the big disability cause he believes explains the increase in social security disability recipients rove attributed the increase in social security disability recipients to a lack of fraud protection in programs like social security and medicare take a look. private insurance companies have a financial necessity of making sure they stop fraud there are no fraud protections in medicare medicaid social security none in fact rove is just plain wrong medicare medicaid and social security all have fraud prevention programs in place to protect prevent and recover money from any cases of fraud department of health and human services recently released a fact sheet about the medicare fraud program that details the variety of laws in place that punish medicare fraud which criminalizes the government being overcharged or knowingly defrauded by medicare recipients doctors or third parties for example between two thousand and two thousand and two florida governor rick scott'

abc's chief white house correspondent jonathan karl. >> reporter: it all started when liz cheney, the daughter of the former vice-president, came out against same sex marriage in her campaign for senate in wyoming. that's not a surprising position for a republican in wyoming. but liz's younger sister mary is married to heather poe and the lesbian couple has two children. >> i love mary very much and i love her family very much. this is an issue on which we disagree. >> reporter: her sister mary spopd responded on fae facebook. "this isn't just an issue on which we disagree" responded heather poe, mary's wife, on facebook. you're just wrong and on the wrong side of history. "liz has been a guest in our home, has spent time and shared holidays with our children, and when mary and i got married in 2012 she didn't hesitate to tell us how happy she was for us. to have her say now she doesn't support our right to marry is offensive to say the least." mary cheney responded "i cooperate have said it better myself." >> i don't think we have ever seen the cheneys disagree like that. it's not ju

the president said enough is enough and abc news chief white house correspondent jonathan karl now tells us what began happening right away. >> reporter: for more than a century, the filibuster, immortalized in the movie "mr. smith goes to washington" has empowered the minority party in the senate to bring everything to a halt just by talking. >> i can hold this floor almost unless doomsday. in other words, i've got a piece to speak. >> reporter: it's a tactic republicans are using more than ever. from rand paul who tried to block the president's pick to run the cia to ted cruz who talked nearly 22 hours straight against obama care. republicans are now blocking dozens of president obama's nominees. but today in a controversial and historic move, referred to as the nuclear option, democrats changed the rules, ending the filibuster when it comes to most presidential nominees. minutes later they moved forward on one obama nominee who had been blocked for almost six months. >> a simple majority vote no longer seems to be sufficient for anything that enough is enough. >> reporter: but republi

abc's chief white house correspondent jonathan karl has exclusive documents and he went toe to toe with these new questions for the white house. >> reporter: as the health care website melted down, the president told people there were other options working just fine. >> you can bypass the website and apply by phone or in person. >> reporter: a quick call. >> i want to repeat that. 1-800-318-2596. >> reporter: and voila. >> it usually takes about 25 minutes for an individual to apply for coverage. >> reporter: but ten days before the president said those words his own health care team knew that all applications were having the same problems. as one internal memo from the administration's health care war room obtained by abc news reads, "the same portal is used to determine eligibility no matter how the application is submitted. at the end of the day we are all stuck in the same queue." did the president not know that everything needs to go through the same broken website? >> these memos say that at the end of the day we're all stuck in the same queue because they all have to go through t

abc's chief white house correspondent jonathan karl tells us. >> reporter: today an embattled president obama met with insurance company ceos who are unhappy with his latest effort to fix obama care. many consumers are simply confused. suzie and jim fenelli of silver springs, maryland watched the president once again promise to help them, but right now the only thing they are sure of is they got a letter cancelling their health insurance. >> right now i'm promised a lot of things, and the only thing i got in my hand is this, and i have to figure it out. >> reporter: in an effort to repair his broken promise that nobody would lose insurance they like, the president said he'd change the rules, allowing people to buy old, preobama care policies for one more year. but what about the fine print? each state must approve the president's plan, and already some are saying no. case in point, washington state insurance commissioner, a democrat, says it would destabilize the state's entire insurance market. that left bill fullner totally out of luck, he got a cancellation notice. >> your new plan h

abc's chief white house correspondent jonathan karl with a brand new abc news poll. these are numbers the president has been insulated, his personal traits? >> reporter: clearly the obama care troubles are the biggest factor here but we are seeing something different. for the first time in our poll the majority say they have an unfavorable view of obama personally. take a look at this. on the question of whether he was a strong leader, the majority say no. we have never seen that before. asked if obama was honest and trustworthy, again, for the first time the majority say no. we have never seen such negative reviews of obama's personal attributes. that may be the most troubling thing as the president faces that race against time that every second term president must confront. >> jon karl and the trouble numbers for the president. thanks. >>> to another headline from washington tonight, after so much talk of the toronto mayor in trouble investigators are now pointing to an american politician behaving badly. congressman trey radel will appear in court tomorrow. >>> a

here's abc's jon karl. >> reporter: today bill clinton said what president obama's harshest critics have been saying. that he may need to the change the health care law to help the millions of people who have seen their insurance cancelled, despite the president's promise that would not happen. >> i personally believe even if it takes a change in the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got. >> reporter: the president himself apologized to those who have lost coverage but the white house has opposed efforts to change the law. later this week the administration will finally tell us how many people have managed to enroll in new health coverage despite the problems with the website. >> is there any number that would be so low that you would say alarm bells are going off, we have a problem? >> the only expectations i'll set is that we expect them to be low. >> reporter: an abc news analysis of administration documents suggests fewer than 50,00 people have been able to enroll through healthcar.gov. in contrast,

here with us in the studio tonight analyst karl rove. i think this campaign for 16 might start earlier this year -- this year, this season. barack obama has three years to go. but if obamacare implodes, in 2014, and you are predicting it will, right? >> yeah. i think there are going to be enormous problems. >> if it does implode and we are sitting here this time next year right after the republicans take back the senate and all that, well, wait a minute now. >> could happen. >> but they have got to win six out of seven of the democrats seat seats up in red states. in order to do that they have to have purple sheets like minnesota, michigan. >> if obamacare is that bad, you would think that that would happen people would be angry about it. >> it could be worse than 2010. gains in the senate could happen again. >> now on my radar screen i have got rubio in florida. cruz in texas. and christie in jersey. >> you are missing six. >> i know that but those are the ones that have cachet that people who follow this, now, there are governors and t

karl rove wrote publicly what he was up to. the democrats didn't catch up to it in 2010. the democrats just going to have to sit there -- until 2020. until the next redistricting census before they can actually seriously take on the problem. awe off the demographic change favor democrats pretty extraordinarily. in the late decade. some changes will start to overwhelm even the effort of redistricting. some of the redistricted districts don't have a huge margin. they don't win 65-35. 55-45. so as the demographics change. some will be worn down. we are stuck with this for a decade. >> one of the striking things about this is that the republicans don't play it safe once they get elected within the new district. they, they, in the past when you would see redistricting like this, the winner would play down the middle. they know there are mixed voters in the district. the republicans with the 55 levels of the majority in their district go, pretty far. in the republican direction. once elected. >> there is always the threat of the primary from somebody to your right. i also think