lincoln's beliefs. >> our panel today is what would lincoln do, how lincoln gets used and abused in today's washington. to do that, we put together a group that is extremely expert in both history and policy. i'll will briefly introduce them and i'll describe how the panel came together and we'll get to it. to my right is james swanson. he's been a senior scholar at the heritage foundation. next is craig simons. he is a professor of history from the u.s. naval academy, author of a book called "lincoln and his admirals." to his right is richard norton smith, who might be the dean to have presidential historians. he's headed several presidential libraries. he's here today to represent a kind of overarching perspective. michael lynd, he's going to give us that special mix of history and policy expertise that we're looking for. what we wanted to do in this panel is try to -- a semester course. several of the questions from this course called "understanding lincoln." i'll begin with a couple of questions from our k-12 educators. before i ask the first question, though, let me say a few words of

what is lincoln trying to say? what's the most important message for americans then when a what is its most enduring message. consider the setting in 1863. johnson's book is very good on this. but gabor -- gabor's book is even better. that is the setting the scene. after the battle. the army's leave. of course the confederate wounded are all left behind that they couldn't take. so -- and the union army can only take so many. so the people of gettysburg are left to tend the wound. the dead are simply lying on the ground by the thousands and the horse horses. and of course all the broken and abandoned implements of war strewn the battlefield. and for a while it was really bad. it was dangerously bad. they had to get those bodies buried. so it was not a pretty scene. by the time, four months later, when they had the ceremony, they were -- they had gotten on top of the burial to a large extent. but consider that the people there were -- there were lots of soldiers, okay, just on their own time. soldiers on leave. veter

so lincoln said fine, i'll do that. lincoln didn't send him the delivery manuscript. why not? well, he didn't seem to have it. the guy who ran the cemetery dedication, david wills, had written him, and asked him if he would donate the original manuscript. but lincoln was sick in bed at that time. you may remember, he came home sick from gettysburg. he had a minor version of smallpox. but he had to go to bed. and so he wasn't doing much business. and he doesn't seem to have gotten around to working with the text until everett asked him in january to send him something. so i think that this -- this isn't -- this doesn't seem to me to be the strength of a martin johnson's book. because -- is working on an admirable principle. he says, now, look, why should we invent a lost manuscript if we have a manuscript that his secretary says is the manuscript that he finished in david wills' house and put in his pocket and took out and read from at gettysburg? granted, it doesn't -- those aren't the words that he said at gettysburg, because the newspapers tell us that. but that's the manusc

so lincoln said fine, i'll do that. lincoln didn't send him the delivery manuscript. why not? well, he didn't seem to have it. the guy who ran the cemetery dedication, david wills, had written him, and asked him if he would donate the original manuscript. but lincoln was sick in bed at that time. you may remember, he came home sick from gettysburg. he had a minor version of smallpox. but he had to go to bed. and so he wasn't doing much business. and he doesn't seem to have gotten around to working with the text until everett asked him in january to send him something. so i think that this -- this isn't -- this doesn't seem to me to be the strength of a martin johnson's book. because -- is working on an admirable principle. he says, now, look, why should we invent a lost manuscript if we have a manuscript that his secretary says is the manuscript that he finished in david wills' house and put in his pocket and took out and read from at gettysburg? granted, it doesn't -- those aren't the words that he said at gettysburg, because the newspapers tell us that. but that's the manusc

i'm of a mind that lincoln -- that lincoln thought longest and hardest about this first sentence. because i think he was trying to write a sentence that even his demograph demographic -- democratic opponents who hated the war, who hated him, and what he was trying to do, and that they started a partisan war, republican war, dragged the country into this kind of mess, that he had them in a kind of trap -- trap is a strange word, but for lack of a better -- he got them to agree that our fathers brought forth upon this continent a new nation conceived in liberty, dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. yeah. but then the next sentence says, now we're engaged in a great civil war testing whether that -- and right there, the chicago "times" and the democrats are going to say, wait a minute, wait a minute, we don't go along with that. it's too late. you've already gone along with the first premise. and that's the one that matters. at any rate, that's the way i've tried to make the case. i think lincoln himself would have been interested and sympathetic with all of t

. >> lincoln, all i ever hear is lincoln. but it isn't true about antietim. i can hardly imagine the president -- >> mcclellan was there, wasn't he? if lincoln didn't do what everybody said he did? would mclellan have denied it? every paper said lincoln was going to make a stump speech at the cemetery. >> he come with them papers. shouldn't have gone anyway. nobody wanted him. said right here he was just in one of them circulars. >> one of them myself. >> it wasn't much more than a week ago they asked him to speak. >> couldn't have the president there, not call on him to say something. >> chase didn't go, or stanton. and general mead wasn't there either. he said the army needed him. >> the way i figure it out is this, lincoln doesn't have a chance to be re-elected and he knows it. chase wants to be president. he wasn't going to gettysburg to lead a kite tail off the ground. mead didn't go because the president was going to be there. he's still hot under the collar on account of letting them get across the potomac after the battle. >> there's a lot of people w

lincoln had his equivalent. there was a polish count working at the state department that published his diaries where he trash it had president and secretary of state during the course of the war. lincoln had to fire him just like this one was fired. >> sreenivasan: i found an interesting tidbit, karl marx was writing for a paper that lincoln read very closely. how do we know? >> that's un >>/my favorite chapters. we focus on marx and the reason that marx is interesting to me, marx and lincoln didn't know each other personally. they exchanged letters but a think a lot of people don't realize is that they were contemporaries and one thing they were both doing is struggling with how to operate in this information age. marx was also a journalist asiding from writing his academic treatises he wrote for the new york tribune and so the two of these guys are trying to figure out how do you make sense of this world in which there are no secrets, in which the world was smaller? i think they both did it to varying degrees

bookan epilogue in this that i call lincoln versus lincoln where we look at lincoln's moral view of america's place in the world. we know the lines about the last best hope that lincoln talks about. but how that moral view of america's place in the world would have been recognized -- reconciled with economic expansion that we saw in the gilded age. host: from new jersey on the republican line. caller: i wanted to follow-up on the comment on lincoln's foreign policy reasons of issuing the emancipation proclamation. that is a first i have ever heard of that. most people say it was his view to keep the union together at whatever cost. to what degree does the author had --he reason lincoln to what degree does the author think the reason was foreign- policy or to keep the union together? guest: there was a complicated cocktail of reasons. domestic policy was one, to create ideological consistency to help when the war at home. -- win the war at home. he said this a couple of times leading up to the emancipation. he said it explicitly. at it into look context. he was getting letters from his diploma

when the war first starts, lincoln is -- lincoln was always an abolitionist but lincoln was also a ruthless pragmatist in that he would do whatever it took to keep the union together. he says that very often, if i have to get rid of slavery to end the war, i'll do it. if i can end the war by preserving slavery, i don't have a problem doing that either. because his most important idea is to end the war, and he's reluctant to attack slavery in the beginning primarily because of kentucky and other parts of the union -- or kentucky's neutral at the beginning, because it's a slave state and hasn't seceded and he doesn't want to drive pro union slaveholders into the arms of the confederacy is essentially one thing he doesn't want to do. you know, but, as the war goes on, lincoln increasingly looks at the slave population as being a critical element in the fighting of the war for the south. having this large slave population enables the south to put a lot more of its white male population into the field as soldiers because they've essentially got the slaves to keep the industry and the economy run

it's lincoln. lincoln. there are people out there as you know so well who will buy anything about lincoln, 14,000 books written about him. and many of them having readers. >> let me ask you about the tough period in your life ten years ago when you were accused of plagiarism. i want to go through that so much as i want to ask you if you and your husband sit around saying i can't believe we got through this so well. and if you do, how did you do it? >> well, i think the most important thing was to understand that what i had done was not to fail to credit the authors, but i knew i hasn't been careful about of where the quote marks were. so the hardest thing was the use of that word. because i didn't feel like that had happened to me. i love leaving credit. i give huge notes in the books. i remember saying to my husband at times, is it going to be okay? he said lit be okay. i acknowledged the error. i wrote about how it happened. it did turn out to be okay. make sure you learn from that. all of the attention i

who's had been infuriated by the south's defeat and he was lashing out against lincoln to rob lincoln of the fruits of his victory. what happened here at appomattox is the context for the assassination in the eyes of almost all northerners. if a site of that. the connection between the surrender of the assassination. they believe booth was trying to undo the union victory at that moment. any other questions?

when fdr was there, he was reading lincoln. teddy was reading lincoln the whole time. i think it is healthy for these presidents. why should they have to become a president without learning from the history of the guys who went there before them? so few of them have sat in that office. it has to be a helpful thing or else our profession doesn't mean anything. >> you have been involved with presidents forever. within a few months, ms. goodwin was helping the president's speechwriters draft and address and billed as the intellectual foundation for his second term. it was a start to finish tribute to roosevelt. how much of that have you done with this president? >> not that much. i got to know the young speechwriters. i thought they were great. they would talk to me about what he was thinking of talking about. if i had been younger, i think i would have loved to be down there. even being a part of the administration. i couldn't. i was writing my book, living in massachusetts. it was more just a friendship with the speechwriters and a friendship with president obama. >> wh

. >> today marks 105 year 150 yeae abraham lincoln spoke of a nation in liberty. and it was read by very familiar voices. >> welcome back to al jazeera. financial giant jp morgan chase agreed to pay the biggest settle ever of wrongdoing by any u.s. corporation $13 billion. >>> a new report out today suggests that secretary kathleen sebelius now about the roll out and she remarked that the launch would go on without a hitch. >>> talks to end the long stand off over iran's nuclear program continues in geneva. the meeting comes as some lawmakers have been pushing for tougher sanctions again iran. 150 years ago today president abraham lincoln went to a battlefield in pennsylvania and delivered what is known as the gettysburg address. thousands returned to commemorate one of the most famous speeches in american history. actor and reenactors, sally jewel noted that lincoln's speech still resonates today. >> his words chiseled on the walls of his memorial are likewise chiseled on our hearts. they tell us what it means to be an american. they call us the unfinished work,

when fdr was there, he was reading lincoln. teddy was reading lincoln the whole time. i think it is healthy for these presidents. why should they have to become a president without learning from the history of the guys who went there before them? so few of them have sat in that office. helpful thing or else our profession doesn't mean anything. >> you have been involved with presidents forever. goodwin few months, ms. was helping the president's speechwriters draft and address and billed as the intellectual foundation for his second term. it was a start to finish tribute to roosevelt. how much of that have you done with this president? >> not that much. i got to know the young speechwriters. i thought they were great. they would talk to me about what he was thinking of talking about. i think ieen younger, would have loved to be down there. even being a part of the administration. i couldn't. i was writing my book, living in massachusetts. it was more to stay friendship with the speechwriters. and a friendship with president obama. >> what should the public know about h

lincoln asked. looking straight ahead and without hesitation he said, at this time i'm thinking about governor terry sanford of north carolina, but it will not be lyndon. stanford was a logical replacement. he supported kennedy in 1960. he was part of the enlightened new south that kennedy wanted to court. sanford later said that he had no doubt that kennedy had said this, although he never mentioned it to him but he thought it might've been one of those things you say just to get it off your chest. others have been a lot less charitable. in his 1977 biography of robert kennedy, arthur schlesinger questioned lincoln's veracity riding when he informed bobby a for account, bobby insisted that his brother never intended to replace johnson saying, can you imagine the president ever having a talk with country with a subject like that? a historian writes that's lesson just dismissal of the johnson story is quote in line with that given in virtue all books on kennedy or johnson, and recounts interviews wit

after lincoln died historians wrote that everybody want to get write with lincoln, walk in his footsteps that happened after john f. kennedy, in a book is very much about every president drool upon kennedy. especially bill clinton. remember the scene when kennedy was young, came to the white house he sort of reached out touched the hand of god. he was always influenced by it and drew heavily upon it in his rhetoric and his actions. >> schieffer: just same question to both of you, what do you think this anniversary means for the country. i think it's very important for people who were not alive when this happened to understand as much as they can about this, what is it that you find most important, peggy? >> the 50th anniversary. this may be the last time we remember this shattering historical event, the last time we remember it on this level. the 60th and 70th would be like so many people who can talk about it will have left. this was a moment that for two generations of americans was quite something that entered their minds and their imaginations forever. the baby boomers of america, th

lincoln. this is a pretty big even, this was an address that really you provided means by which we could have a president obama. >> a very disappointing outcome. everyn is a legitty of mr. lincoln, and gettysburg address, everyone has a special legacy. president obama has been wrapping himself in the lincoln flag sinces day he decided to run for republican office. so, i regarded it as a offense to those brave men, tens of thousands who gave their lives at gettysburg, 720,000 men in blue and gray, that the emancipation. neil: how long was the speech? >> i would say 271 words,. neil: that is this president's inproductry remarks, i know that was brief. looks back in history, the tapes, the kennedy press conference, average fourth questions -- i think today it like you know 8 to 10 forf we're lucky, what happened. how do we get so verb oars. >> i think obama made himself luchimlectureer in chief. president obama believes he has to go on television to give a speech to get himself out of every ditch

lincoln for two minutes. and with some 270 words delivered one of the most memorable addresses in american history. helping make sense of the great sacrifice and loss of the war, reshaping and, for many, redefining the nation's identity going forward. one of five existing copies of the monoyou script is now on display at the library of congress in washington. it's believed to be the first draft and the one from which lincoln read that day. it's written on two pieces of paper-- one formal in pen, the other on a notebook page and in pencil. michelle crowell is the exhibit's curator. >> you can he worked on the address in washington first and then probably got to gettysburg and changed his mind about the ending. so you can think about what might have inspired lincoln to change that ending about a new birth of freedom and a government of the people, by the people and for the people. >> brown: a century and a half later documentary filmmaker ken burns is honoring those sacred words by urging american pos post vide

lincoln. this is a pretty big even, this was an address that really you provided means by which we could have a president obama. >> a very disappointing outcome. every american is a legitty of mr. lincoln, and gettysburg address, everyone has a special legacy. president obama has been wrapping himself in the lincoln flag sinces day he decided to run for republican office. so, i regarded it as a offense to those brave men, tens of thousands who gave their lives at gettysburg, 720,000 men in blue and gray, that the emancipation. neil: how long was the speech? >> i would say 271 words,. neil: that is this president's inproductry remarks, i know that was brief. looks back in history, the tapes, the kennedy press conference, average fourth questions -- i think today it like you know 8 to 10 forf we're lucky, what happened. how do we get so verb oars. >> i think obama made himself luchimlectureer in chief. president obama believes he has to go on television to give a speech to get himself out of eve

and chip reid on the search for abraham lincoln 150 years after the gettysburg address. is he in this picture? >> the hair, the high cheek bones and the brow all said to me that was him. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> pelley: good evening. the federal government's health insurance web site has had so many problems since it was rolled out on october 1, the question has been, why didn't anyone warn the president? well, it turns out someone did. the white house acknowledged today that administration officials, including president obama, were briefed on a consultant's report six months before healthcare.gov went online, a report that said problems were coming. nancy cordes is on capitol hill for us tonight. nancy. >> reporter: scott, administration officials said today they took this report's warnings into account and made changes, but republicans argue that its very existence casts doubts on claims by the president on down that they were caught by surprise. with startling foresight, the consulting firm mckinsey predicted mor

. ♪ the lincoln memorial, as we see shortly, is to the right. over the river is virginia. ♪ ♪ the distant cousin of president kennedy barely arrived from ireland from a jet and a tiny plane in new york. the 23-year-old nurse landed at national airport at 11 minutes after 12:00 in a charter begin engine apache when she boarded. she was attending the funeral at the personal invitation of mrs. jacqueline kennedy. a white house limousine escorted by united states police motorcycle rushed her to saint matthews church at a speed of about 60 miles per hour. she arrived just in time for the beginning of the services. ♪ she's a small, a blond. she was red eyed on the verge of tears as she entered the church. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ this is the lower or southern end of 17th street. the cortez turns right here to constitution avenue. ♪ ♪ goes one, two, three, four blocks, turns left around the lincoln memorial then across the bridge. ♪ and the background about to appear in the background is the munitions building. headquarter of the

abraham lincoln. [laughter] >> now, trevor -- this is a unique occasion because it is the discovery of the missing letter. [applause] in the surprises i wish that i wore a suit. you have to let me in on it next time. [laughter] urged this is just to put up quickly in the context it is after the victories in the 1863 in gettysburg and vicksburg. this is the day that lincoln is actually notified of the victory at vicksburg and what he does is quickly writes a note to the general who is the general in chief. july 7 of 63 he says major general, we have certain information on the fourth of july. now that the genera general can complete his work so gloriously promoted this far by the literal or the substantial the rebellion will be over. yours truly, abraham lincoln. >> they can wrap up and then believe that the war back will be over but the same day we know that he is expressing his thoughts on the matter and then the daily barrage of the telegrams saying

his secretary of war called lincoln the original gorilla. they hated lincoln. and he kept impressing them with battle after battle, decision after decision, speech after speech so that shortly after e died, grant was called lincoln incontest my the greatest man i've ever known. obama's political trajectory is exactly the reverse. he was being celebrated as the second coming of abraham lincoln, and now he's looking like the second coming of jimmy carter. jenna: what do you think the next 150 years looks like? >> this country has an enormous capacity for political and moral and economic self-renewal that no other country has. jenna: that moment in time proves your point. disinteresting, -- interesting, thank you very much. jon: new charges facing the utah doctor convicted of murdering his own wife. now he's facing trial on charges of sexual abuse. our legal panel breaks down the details and debates what is in store for dr. martin mcneil. >>> plus, the chaotic health care rollout continues to hurt the president according to a new poll released today. ed henry brea

that century separates lincoln from john f. kennedy. when kennedy began to celebrate towhen kennedy began challenge white supremacy, the white south revolted. that revolved is what brought john kennedy to dallas that fateful day 50 years ago. his challenge to white privilege reawakened the old fault line in america, conservative fears of an overweening federal government. right-wing extremist did not kill kennedy, but his visit to dallas to try to appease them did. >> what was the nature of the anti-kennedy sentiment in the south? >> it is better to understand it less as anti-kennedy than anti- washington, anti-federal government sentiment. the two driving elements of american political history are how to deal with race and what role government should play in telling individuals had live their lives. this was the exact cause of the civil war. the same argument that animates civil rights throughout the 1960's, and it is really one of the tensions that drives american politics today. instead of new york or california -- >> at this republi

and after lincoln dies the two most as tedious men. southerners and northerners look to these men to represent the representative causes. they didn't expect these men to be lambs in defeat. they saw them as lions and assumed that was what they could continue to be. lee and grant our enemies. how could it get otherwise? it doesn't detract from their achievement of having brought the war to a close but reminds us that these terms down to the cause we don't want to to be disturbed and if you disturb us, these terms were controversial. sometimes when people try to debunk a myth they are telling you something you thought was important is not as important. it's even more important for what sets the terms for an open debate. >> the commentary before the war and even after the war, is this a common american practice? if you have a cornerstone event and political factions began to claim pieces of it and they get their own. we lose the essence towards momentum. >> i think that's right and for me the most surprising discovery of all was what reli

lincoln is invoking a kind of resurrection. he is praying that the war that broke the country in two, a war that will leave more than a half million americans dead is not the end of us but a new beginning, that this nation under god shall have a new birth of freedom and that the government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth. it is a prayer we still pray. for "meet the press," i'm harry smith. >> and, doris, you are still struck about how meaningful the speech was at the time when you really sit back and think about it. >> oh, there's two things about it. one is that he gave a story of our country and a meaning to that war that was understood by the people at the time. but more importantly, even, he set a maxim for what a free society should be. think of it, at that time there was still slaves in the south, blacks in the north couldn't be on juries, couldn't intermarry, women couldn't vote. he's saying when you have a government for the people, by the people, this is your standard. you'r

as ken burns told me, lincoln was doubling down on the constitution. he really did mean equality for all men, not just white men. there will be other ceremonies throughout the day, but the main event is wrapping up. it also included a recitation of the speech by someone dressed as president lincoln. and a number of women shows up in hoop skirts and men dressed in civil war military guard. >> the president did not attend. what was the reason given and what was the reaction? >> he was invited to attend today. and some were surprised he did not attend given the fact he announced his run for the presidency at lincoln's home. they have said americans will remember president lincoln's words on these day. some say he was right not to come, others say he should have been here today. dell? >> lisa, thank you very much. ♪ >>> so far it is the largest find to stem from the housing collapse. the justice announcing that jpmorgan and the government have agreed to a 13 billion dollars settlement. the agreement would also resolve civil investigations against the ban

lincoln wrote it himself and delivered it in just over two minutes. everyone knows the first few words, four score and seven years ago. but it's the closing words about government of by and for the people that are embedded in the country's conscience right there with we the people in the constitution and the pursuit of happiness in the declaration of independence. pre-watergate, president nixon used it in the state of the union before a captive audience across the country. >> 100 years ago, abraham lincoln stood on a battlefield and spoke of a government of the people, by the people, for the people. >> president ford invoked the words while standing at the lincoln memorial. >> today we rededicate ourselves to the values and to the goals for which abraham lincoln lived and died. that this nation under god shall have a new birth of freedom and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earer from the earth. >> president reagan held a rally in illinois, the home of president lincoln. >> in 1861, just before beg

for heaven's sakes, the president idolizes abraham lincoln. he put his cabinet together thinking about abraham lincoln. to have a discussion about why he didn't go on this particular day, i think we should let the president be in charge of his schedule rather than television reporter that is don't have enough to do. >> let me ask this to you, then. he obviously is feeling the pressure from this conversation. if he weren't he wouldn't have done what he just did which is put out a hand-written letter saying after michelle and the kids go to sleep he goes down to a room where abe lincoln used to hang out and he thinks about, pontiff kates about abraham lincoln. "i linger on these few words that have helped define our american experiment, a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal." politically wouldn't it have been smart to switch the conversation, put yourself in the shadow of abe lincoln, get rid of this whole obama care thing. >> the president has a job. and it's to be president of the un

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did president obama snub abraham lincoln? thousands gathering today to celebrate the 150th anniversary of lincoln's iconic 272 word address. there was one very notable no show. the president of the united states, barack obama. the white house blamed a scheduling issue. when reporters pressed asking what's more important than the gettysburg anniversary in american history, the senior adviser responded on twitter saying, quote, oh, i don't know. there is this whole website thing that someone suggested might destroy the dem party. howard dean and shawn spicer, i'm excited about this conversation. governor dean, let me start with you. something happened a few moments ago that i don't know if you know about. i want to ask but this tweet. the president is not writing the code for the webb. pennsylvania is close. why that snarky response from the white house? >> i have no idea why the response to the white house, but you don't have enough to do if this is the lead story or important story on cnn. for heaven's sakes, the president id

president lincoln promised there is sanctity of the people who died. we have dedicated that field as the final resting place for those who gave their looifives the nation might live. and lincoln declares quite plainly that the dead left the living way greith a great responsibili responsibility. that from the dead we give increased motivation for those that gave us that motivation. that we resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under god should have a new birth under freedom. >> lincoln is giving rhetoric but he's living the reality of it as our americans then, what the cost is of not having freedom equality. we can use things like the gettysburg address and the civil war, what happens here in the battle, to understand what's involved, what we may be called to do at some point and ask the question, are we willing to do that? what are we willing to do to achieve freedom and equality? >> a new burst of freedom. rink on is invoking a kind of resurrection. he is praying that the war that broke the country in two, a war that wi

. >> what political party was abraham lincoln part of? >> i'm not sure. >> just take a guess. >> can i get some options? >> i'm just going to guess democratic. >> democrat? >> republican. >> reporter: just take a guess. >> i want to say he was a democrat. >> republican. >> reporter: good. you got it right. >> now, greg, this probably underscores your point about the children who go to college, getting themselves brainwashed about what is anti-american and socialism. are you surprised that these kids didn't have any idea? >> no, because the democrats, with the help of academia, have managed to obliterate their leading war in race warfare. they were pro-slavery, pro-kkk, against rights for blacks. they didn't even want equality in public accommodations. they managed to make republicans look racist when, in fact, they invented it. >> can i follow up on that? >> yes. >> this is something that somehow has been lost in translation over the years. the 13th amendment which abolished slavery won 100% republican support. the 14th amendment which gr

transfer funeral lincoln, which lasted four weeks. today, we will see the final resting place at arlington national cemetery. -- three days after the assassination. we're drawing near the end now of our special broadcast. i would like to make a comparison between this tragedy and another tragedy of a totally different nature. wellsr historians like hg are sometimes accused of distorting the facts to make points. we watched a long line of mourners passing through here, we could not help but make a contrast with the scene described that happened in vienna. on a rainy day in 1791, a horse- drawn cart had delivered a coffin. the lone gravedigger dumped his burden into a whole. he drove away. he left no stone to mark the spot. there is no clergyman. there was not one living creature who cared enough to follow that corpse to its final resting place. none except for a small dog. he sat alone whimpering. that was how it was in vienna. they buried mozart, like a dog. today, no one knows where mozart sleeps. the music that he left as a monument

lincoln ellis, green square capital is in the pits of cme. lincoln i will begin with you. another big win for the dow jones transports and another win to the upside for the the overall markets. >> ism number and pmi very much told a global story of expansion continuing the pace. the pace being lower and lower than we're used to in the post-recessionary periods. but very much in line. people are not looking to sell stocks. that means stocks are going to drift higher. adam: gary, let me ask you this where else is anyone going to go? only place you get any kind of return is in equities with all the free money out there. how long can this rally go on? aren't we already over. >> extended? >> it doesn't feel like it is overextended but it feels like it is geting a little frothy. finding cheap stocks is becoming more difficult. you hinted a lot of money flowing into the equity markets because there is no better place to put it. in the old days bond market was good alternative for safe money. today that looks like a risky trade. equities are attracting low-risk money and at the fi

. >> host: you say lincoln was the greatest constitutional paul witt the bingham turns into prose. >> people our familiar with the "gettysburg address" shall with said changes in the constitution from one that was focused on more state centered view of national life and one that was proslavery in some respects end that change occurred to a different constitution of the construction that stops with lincoln's death lincoln is killed but then that is only just the beginning for the constitutional debates what civil war ii and was up to people like the number -- like bingham and others to take those words and translate them into law a and that is recut the 14th amendment you could say it is the work of lawyers but it is work that was necessary with tremendous impact ever since. >> host: we will talk about the 14th amendment that i'd like to take out my pocket constitution when you leave but it's just read the 14th amendment then i will ask you what bingham was trying to achieve. section one that i gather he contributed the most did he write to all of it? >> the second sentence that we use

and lincoln said yes, for the moment. but then the gathered his wits and he read the steno graph to the copy to make sure it was the the same. it was wide read, easy to read, and the response was really political. if you read an republican newspaper, the republican press immediately said it was one of the greatest expressions of humanity ever given on the planet. if you read a democratic paper then you realized that lincoln was a fool who could not put two words together and was an embarrassment to the united states. >> what was the impact? >> any impact was slow coming. in terms of its becoming american scripture as many of my friends have noted, that took a while. it really took, sadly it took a time when people didn't want specifics about the african american experience. they want didn't want to remember the second inaugural so much that all people were guilty. all americans north and south were guilty for the sin of slavery. they preferred this very vague, although beautiful declaration of what the country should be.

you said for lincoln it was our marching orders. we doubled down on the decrela i decrelation of independence. >> he owned americans while he did that and then the civil war began. lincoln went to the greatest battle sight every and doubled down on it and said we do believe all men are created equal and we can have freedom. it is our marching orders. and it has been our model since. so on the first anniversary of 9-11 what did we read out loud? the gettysburg address. these are our finest words. were referring about our county we said the united states and plural our. but now it is one thing. a nation. it is lincoln's genioious to go from where we are today to now. >> the people shall not parish from the earth. >> thank you, ken. >> one major public university taking a giant step for free speech and what it means for n conservatives. >> and are we seeing a significant term and the end of the obamacare presidency? our panel weighs in. don't go away. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover e

that is when lincoln comes in. he was willing to compromise and that is why people thought he was slow with regard to emancipation but he was working slowly so you could get a real lasting piece and abolish slavery. so it is sometimes pragmatic, sometimes work, sometimes necessary and sometimes so floridflac flac flacid and meaningless. so when you have a contested election, and we have an interesting moment in history where the poplar vote wasn't won but many people in the south were not allowed to vote. so the compromise was to get him into office as long as he pulled out the troops. so we are debating the issues today. and there are no easy answers for them. >> you mentioned lincoln's bottomlessness and i was wondering if you could say little more about that in terms of the evolution on his views of slavery. and given the comment all times are messy when you look at them in the present, what kind of perspective does that give both of you in terms of so many people feeling we have a dysfunctional government and h

president obama has often looked to lincoln for inspiration. so many have. and president obama is not at the ceremony today. what would his presence have meant there today, do you think? >> well, i think it's the other way around. he's an extraordinarily modest man and i spoke to him about it. he invested so much time and energy with dr. king's speech, arguably the second greatest speech in all of american history, i think he didn't want to feel like he somehow would own both of these speeches. he helped us tremendously on this. and it's been an amazing thing. his presence would have turned this into a zoo. this allows folks to come here and commune with lincoln, to walk the battlefield and understand the terrible sacrifices that happened here. this is the greatest and bloodest battle in all of american soil. and lincoln came four and a half months later to dedicate this place and reinvigorate our american promise. extraordinary words. presidential protriat its finest. and we hope inspired by these young boys with learning differences, that the rest of us ca

it is by president lincoln. it is rather frustrated dedicated to the great task remaining before us that we take increased devotion to the cause that they gave their last full measure of devotion. perhaps you have thoughts about these lines are presently can delivered back then. social media is available to as well. facebook is it with you can do so. we had a few people posting on this as we started this morning. ourbook.com/c-span is facebook page. you can also tweak your thoughts to that c-span wj. the associated press takes a speech thatg the defined a nation. thousands expected to gather today in gettysburg to commemorate lincoln's word. again, you may have thoughts on the speech as well. for first 45 minutes we will look at other topics, but the gettysburg address is what we want you to comment on this morning. the phone numbers will be on your screen. again, reach out to us on social media, two. here is james from seattle, washington. james, good morning. at first thought, what does the gettysburg address

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but it is also the 150th anniversary of lincoln's gettysburg address. here is our power player of the week. >> like a north star for the country, it is what we aspire to be. what we want to be. and i think that in a way is what lincoln sbeblded it to be. >> scott has been the national parks service historian at gettysburg the last 18 years. and this is a special week for him. >> when is the last time you read the gettysburg address? >> this morning. >> four score and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. >> he says you have to understand the circumstances. the first three days of july, 1863, in a battle that hem turn the tide of the civil war. four months later lincoln came to the cemetery where the troops were buried. >> the world will little note nor long remember what we said here but they will not forget what they did here. >> it was between 15,000 and 20,000 people. >> but lincoln was not the main speaker. form he senator edwar