so, mr. providakes, the two of you -- ms. bauer and mr. amsler, this any answers you were giving were really just based on speculation since you weren't, haven't seen it, weren't involved with it, is that right? >> yes. >> mr. amslersome. >> that's correct. >> okay, mr. providakes. so mr. olson was asking you about some of these recommendations. this is from last spring. it was a snapshot in time. on page 4 of that report, at the bottom where he was talking about evolving requirements, multiple definitions of success, etc., the part he forgot to mention which was the part be also i noticed today forgot to mention when the previous witness was up is the part that's in the box in bold type at the bottom of all of those current situation bullet withs which says cms has been working to mitigate challenges resulting from program characteristics. do you see that? >> i do see it. >> what does that mean to you? >> it means to me we recognize the risks and the challenge of the program, and they were looking at options or mitigation approaches that

providakes? >> no concerns. >> you had said that verizon, tear mark, crs and qssi all played key role this is developing and testing the security of healthcare.gov. are you also referring to ms. bauer's company? >> i view them as one of us. >> i taught in her testimony she said they were not that involved, so let me ask you, with this many companies involved, who did you all report to? >> our customer was cms and the security -- >> is there a person? >> our direct government technical lead's name is tom shank weiler. >> and with regard to this, with all these companies playing key roles this developing testing and security, is that typical to have so many companies involved as opposed to one that's tried to do end work on this? >> we've experienced all sizes of implementations, this one is, obviously, certainly one of the largest i've ever seen undertaken. i've certainly seen lots of people involved, but probably not this many. >> mr. providakes, is this typical to have so many companies involved