is so keen on staying in afghanistan i'll break it all down i'm joined by ray mcgovern former cia analyst thank you so much for coming in right welcome so ray what do you think the outcome of the security agreement is going to be and why do you think hammad karzai is kind of stretching it beyond the presidential elections well karl rove karzai was cole by our ambassador in a kabul i can bury as not an adequate strategic partner and didn't you show that today kerry was mousetraps and thinking how to deal karzai goes and tells the jirga. look you know we have to vote on this and i'm not sure i trust the u.s. they don't trust me and so we're all oral in this is what i can bury worried about that once you have a reliable partner to work with you're up to this trick without a paddle and also you know that i can very said this way back in november november nine of number six of two thousand and nine he said you know i think that karzai would like to have us invest even more freely in there because he thinks that the u.s. is just interested in in fighting it in eternal war on terror and permanen

is so keen on staying in afghanistan i'll break it all down i'm joined by ray mcgovern former cia analyst thank you so much for coming on right welcome thank you so. what do you think the outcome of the security agreement is going to be and why do you think hammad karzai is kind of stretching it beyond the. presidential election well karva karzai was called by our ambassador in a kabul i can bury as not an adequate strategic partner and didn't he show that today kerry was mousetrap and thinking how to deal karzai goes and tells the jirga look you know we have to vote on this and i'm not sure i trust the u.s. they don't trust me and so we're at all oral in this is what i can very worried about that once you have a reliable partner to work with you're up to this trick without a paddle and also you know that i can very said this is way back in november november nine of number six of two thousand and nine he said you know i think that karzai would like to have us invest even more freely in there because he thinks that the u.s. is just interested in in fighting it in eternal war on terror and

break it all down john by ray mcgovern former cia analyst thank you so much for coming in right welcome so right what do you think the outcome of the security agreement is going to be and why do you think on that karzai is kind of stretching it beyond the. presidential election well karzai was called by our ambassador in a kabul i can bury not an adequate strategic partner and didn't show that today kerry was mousetrap and thinking how to deal karzai goes and tells the jirga look you know we have to vote on this and i'm not sure i trust the u.s. they don't trust me and so we're at all oral in this is what i can bury worried about that is what you have a reliable partner to work with you're up to this trick without a paddle and also you know that i can very said this way back in november november nine of number six of two thousand and nine he said you know i think that karzai would like to have us investment more freely in there because he thinks that the u.s. is just interested in in fighting it in eternal war on terror and permanent military bases to have influence in that immediate ar

is so keen on staying in afghanistan i'll break it all down i'm joined by ray mcgovern former cia analyst thank you so much for coming on right welcome thank you so. what do you think the outcome of the security agreement is going to be and why do you think on that karzai is kind of stretching it beyond the. presidential election well karva karzai was called by our ambassador in a kabul i can bury it's not an adequate strategic partner and didn't he show that today kerry was mousetrap and thinking how to deal karzai goes and tells the jirga look you know we have to vote on this and i'm not sure i trust the u.s. they don't trust me and so we're at all oral in this is what i can bury worried about that is what you have a reliable partner to work with you're up to this trick without a paddle and also you know that i can very said with this way back in november november nine of number six of two thousand and nine he said you know i think that karzai would like to have us investment more freely in there because he thinks that the u.s. is just interested in in fighting it in eternal war on terr

ambassador's were also among those ordering the snooping and ray mcgovern who worked as a cia officer under seven different u.s. administrations says if president obama really didn't know what the n.s.a. was doing it will raise many important questions. i think in many ways it's worse for obama not to have known who's who's running the show it where does the buck stop so equally bad is that he knew or he didn't and now this back filling in this real vendetta between the n.s.a. chiefs who are shown to be very fast and loose with the truth. alexander for one and then clapper who. was the head of the intelligence apparatus who is it made it to lying to the congress felony that they are to sort of try to defend themselves by telling everyone they told the president every i don't know whom to believe because both sides have been very sparing with the truth. did it so it's for the truth about america's spying germany's reached out to the post and behind the global scandal that of edward snowden a green party m.p.'s met with the fugitive whistleblower here in moscow to discuss his assistance

ambassadors were among those ordering the snooping ray mcgovern a former cia officer and a seven different u.s. administrations says if indeed president obama really doesn't know what the n.s.a. is up to it raises some very serious questions. i think in many ways it's worse for obama not to have known who's who's running the show it where does the buck stop so equally bad is that he knew or he didn't and now this back filling in this real vendetta between the n.s.a. chiefs who were shown to be very fast and loose with the truth. alexander for one and then clapper who. separatists who is it made it to lying to the congress felony that they are to sort of try to defend themselves by telling everyone they told the president every i don't know whom to believe because both sides have been very sparing with the truth. and in it so it's for the truth about america's spying germany has reached out to the one person behind the global scandal that edward snowden a green party m.p. has met with the fugitive whistleblower here in moscow to discuss his assistance and a possible investigation into the n

ambassadors were also among those ordering the snooping ray mcgovern who worked as a cia officer under seven different u.s. administrations says if president obama really didn't know what the n.s.a. was doing it would raise many important questions. i think in many ways it's worse for obama not to have known who's who's running the show it where does the buck stop so equally bad is that he knew or he didn't know this backfilling and this really didn't between the n.s.a. chief who were shown to be very fast and loose with the truth. alexander for one and then clapper who. was the head of the intelligence apparatus who is admitted to lying to the congress felony that there to sort of try to defend themselves by telling everyone they told the president every i don't know whom to believe because both sides have been very sparing with the truth. well in its search for the truth about america's spying germany has reached out to the person behind the global scandal edward snowden a green party m.p. has met with a former cia employee in moscow to discuss his assistance in a potential investiga

is so keen on staying in afghanistan i'll break it all down i'm joined by ray mcgovern former cia analyst thank you so much for coming on ray welcome thank you so. what do you think the outcome of the security agreement is going to be and why do you think hammad karzai is kind of stretching it beyond the. presidential election well karva karzai was called by our ambassador in a kabul i can vary it's not an adequate strategic partner and didn't show that today kerry was mousetrap and thinking how to deal karzai goes and tells the jirga look you know we have to vote on this and i'm not sure i trust the u.s. they don't trust me and so we're at all oral in this is what i can bury worried about that is what you have reliable partner to work with you're up to this trick without a paddle and also you know that i can barry said this way back in november november nine of number six of two thousand and nine he said you know i think.

ambassadors were also among those ordering the snooping ray mcgovern who worked as a cia officer under seven different us administration says if president obama really didn't know what the n.s.a. was doing it would raise many important questions. i think in many ways it's worse for obama not to have known who's who's running the show and where does the buck stop so equally bad is that he knew or he didn't and now this backfilling and this real vendetta between the n.s.a. chiefs who are shown to be very fast and loose with the truth. alexander for one and then clapper who. was the head of the intelligence apparatus who is it made it to lying to the congress felony that there to sort of try to defend themselves by telling everyone they told the president every i don't know whom to believe because both sides have been very sparing with the truth. and in search for the truth about america spying germany's reached out to the person behind the global scandal edward snowden a green party m.p. has met with the fugitive whistleblower in moscow to discuss his assistance in a potential investigat

a former cia operative, and ray mcgovern, a former cia analyst, great to have you both with us. let me start with you. snowden says the leaks are justified, fair? >> no, here is the problem, you can't work for the government and have a security clearance and wake up one day and decide to spill your guts. if we started down that road, where would it all stop? it would be the end of the nsa, the security force, the problem is he didn't have a venue where his complaints would be listened to. he couldn't take it to the senator house, he would have been ignored. and it is really the congress' fault, they need reform. >> and ray, let me ask you this, you hear bob saying if you go down this path where does it stop? it could be the end of the security. you are obviously on a different side of this. what about bob's point? you know, you do this, and you kind of heroize something like this. what do you do at the end of the road? >> i turn it around, if you don't do something, you're approaching what snowden called turn-key tyranny. 50 years ago, i took an oath to defend the constitution,

a former cia operative, and ray mcgovern, a former cia analyst, great to have you both with us. let me start with you. snowden says the leaks are justified, fair? >> no, here is the problem, you can't work for the government and have a security clearance and wake up one day and decide to spill your guts. if we started down that road, where would it all stop? it would be the end of the nsa, the security force, the problem is he didn't have a venue where his complaints would be listened to. he couldn't take it to the senator house, he would have been ignored. and it is really the congress' fault, they need reform. >> and ray, let me ask you this, you hear bob saying if you go down this path where does it stop? it could be the end of the security. you are obviously on a different side of this. what about bob's point? you know, you do this, and you kind of heroize something like this. what do you do at the end of the road? >> i turn it around, if you don't do something, you're approaching what snowden called turn-key tyranny. 50 years ago, i took an oath to defend the constitution,

ambassadors were also among those advising on the snooping ray mcgovern who worked as a cia officer under seven different u.s. administrations he says if president obama doesn't really know what the n.s.a. is doing then there are many very serious questions to be answered. i think in many ways it's worse for obama not to have known who's who's running the show it where does the buck stop so equally bad is that he knew or he didn't and now this back filling in this real vendetta between the n.s.a. chiefs who were shown to be very fast and loose with the truth. alexander for one and then clapper who. was the head of the intelligence apparatus who is it made it to lying to the congress felony that they are to sort of try to defend themselves by telling everyone they told the president every i don't know whom to believe because both sides have been very sparing with the truth. well in its search for the truth about america's spying in germany has now reached out to the one person behind the global scandal of course none other than edward snowden a green party m.p. has met with the fugitive wi