why do you think that now more than ever, the republican party, members of the republican party are open to this idea of gay marriage marriage? >> it's an issue that's evolved. barack obama only came out in favor of gay marriage a relatively short time ago. i think this gets at a long-standing division in the republican party that tyler alluded to, about individual freedom. the republicans were better supporters of civil liabilities issues than democrats. it's only really with the introduction of the evangelical community that you actually start to get a move away from civil liberties in the first place and particular after 9-11. stability. these are two people who want to form a life-long partnership with all of the rights to which they are entitled equal rights, not special rights. they want to be stable members of their communities. who were the republicans to oppose that? i think there is a real division here between looking at individuals and legalizing their personhood in a way that republicans are just people, americans generally have not, 20, 30 years ago. >> if the party shifts

could be won over to the grand old party, the republican party, the gop. this mobilization of pro-life and anti-feminist right created what later became known as the gender gap, that is, the difference in voting patterns between white men and women. but the real gender gap was not between men and women but between single white women who tended to vote democratic and white men and white married women who tended to vote republican. thus rests another paradox within the decade of liberation, if you will, a paradox within a paradox. while the culture appeared to accentuate liberation and group rights were extended, it was traditional women who provided the catalyst for political change from the right. progressive liberation produced an irony, the mobilization of right-wing women. if this was the age of liberation, it was equally the age of reaction. stirrings on the right mark the beginnings of the revival of the right. the mobilization of female conservative activists proved critical in this conservative resurgence. this resuscitation of the conservative move

could be won over to the grand old party, the republican party, the gop. this mobilization of pro-life and anti-feminist right created what later became known as the gender gap, that is, the difference in voting patterns between white men and women. but the real gender gap was not between men and women but between single white women who tended to vote democratic and white men and white married women who tended to vote republican. thus rests another paradox within the decade of liberation, if you will, a paradox within a paradox. while the culture appeared to accentuate personal labor raili traditional women who provided the catalyst for political change from the right. progressive liberation produced an irony, the mobilization of right-wing women. if this was the age of liberation, it was equally the age of reaction. stirrings on the right mark the beginnings of the revival of the right. the mobilization of female conservative activists proved critical in this conservative resurgence. this resuscitation of the conservative movement and the republican party

i think this represents the problem for my party, the republican party. we have decided to judge each other on a sliding horizontal scale of conservativeness, who is too moderate? who is too extreme? and either end of that makes you somehow untrust worthy. i don't think that's right, as governor pawlenty pointed out, our intellectual diversity is something to celebrate. we need to be inclusive. where we do need to be more judicious is on effective messaging. witch be judging on a sliding vertical scale on effectives in. i think we all know who they are. can we get a national presidential election, or even 2014, without these purity tests that really ruin the republican party. >> if i had to manage a republican campaign the day, i would try to find something who was a moderate, but yet his principal on a number of issues that -- and whether it's balancing the budget or, you know, making sure that we have job creation, i don't know what the republicans stand for anymore. it's like ben ant jerry's and papa john's with all different toppings, but you don't ge

house, the tea party controlling the republican party, and voters are maybe looking at this as more of an equal choice among the two parties. and all things being equal, we're more uncomfortable with the tea party. >> i think it's especially true in virginia, where you have so many federal workers. i think the shutdown did terrible things to the republican brand nationally. that same nbc poll that shows the president at 42% has positive views of the republican party at 22%, which is also the lowest number in the history of that poll. but i think you're going to see something on the order of a 25-point swing, the election results four years ago in virginia, where bob mcdonnell won very soundly and where ken cuccinelli is going to win very soundly this time. you can describe part of that to national trends and this being a much better year for democrats than 2009 was. but part of it is this perfect storm where ken cuccinelli has a social issue problem, a scandal problem, he's alienated various northern virginia businesspeople with his opposition to a transportation bill and certain ot

later and you've been fooled by the republican party the investigations by the website r.h. reality check and politico have found that the koch the puss aka charles and david koch have spent tens of millions of dollars from their personal fortune to fund the anti choicer forced birth movement according to our age reality checks adele's stan tax documents show that the koch to puss directed pro-business groups have spent millions to fund legislative initiatives across america that are designed to shock her women's health clinics deny women access to contraception reproductive health services and of course abortions despite the millions that the koch proposes spent on the anti choice movement make no mistake about it they like the rest of the republican party in all probability don't care about making sure that all pregnancies are brought to full term instead they care about protecting the republican brand and the interests of big business and the only way to protect the republican brand keep republicans in power and to further the interests of big business. is to keep getting

that's reagan republicanism, and the good news is that the modern republican party, house and senate governors, is a reagan republican party now, which wasn't true ten years ago, 20 years ago. it certainly wasn't true when reagan showed up. that said, the republican party needs to do what chris christie did, which is reach out and get 61% of the hispanic vote. perry got -- >> you don't have an immigration bill. >> governors can do it easier than congress mmen and senators but governors need to reach out to the immigration communities in their states, in their cities, in their congressional districts. i believe we will see an immigration bill. i think the danger comes from whether obama really wants a bill. and the reason to wonder about that is he was president for all of 2009 and all of 2010 with congressional people in the senate. he didn't talk about a bill, woke up, went to bed. >> but. >> i'm talking about the -- the bill passed to the senate, not particularly my cup of tea, but it got a conversation going. what you do have is serious border security. not 47,000 troops on the bo

the republican party that lost seats in the u.s. senate, for the republican party that has been disspirited for the last number of months, we need to show the republican party in america that we can win again. guess where they will be watching on tuesday night to see if we win. right here in new jersey. they will be watching us. >> christie is aiming for the widest margin of victory. he racked up a 750,000 vote margin and carried every one of the counties. virginia and new jersey usually vote together. if christie wins and cuccinelli loses, it will be the first time since 1985. forget about the streak about virginia going the opposite of what the presidential vote goes. how about that? since 1985 both have gone the same way in that governor's race. already on sunday, mitt romney was arguing the victory could be a sign of strength for 2016. >> chris could easily become our nominee and save our party. paul ryan and jeb bush and marco rubio. there is a long list of capable person, but he was one of the strongest likes. >> does ted cruz

, between a republican party that wants to stand on principles versus a republican party that wants to govern? $30 billion in damages to new jersey after hurricane sandy, something like $65 billion in damages to the country. rick, isn't this the dynamic in the republican party right now? one side wants to govern, the other side wants to stand on issues? >> i think it's a bit of both. one of the problemsivity with chris christie is his recent speech with the rnc where he says all i care about is winning. we've seen that before. okay, if we win, we get what? i would say, he did what he had to do with the storm. i do think, though, there was a bit of december probably a little too cozy with the president, knowing it was the final daze of mitt romney, with what mark halperin wrote in his book. that might have been a thumb in the eye. i'm not sure. that might have been a style he needs to address. >> he absolutely has that style. >> in 1900, in all three levels of government, government took less than 10% of the american people's money. now we're talking 35% and add a dollar value to mandat

also within the republican party. you know, you played a clip earlier in the show about him talking about chris christie and how brash and great he was, and you know, then shifting over to obama care. i can't wait until he talks about how chris christie embraced medicaid expansion under obama care. to ted cruz's point, no one is ever pure enough as ted cruz. and until -- if the republican party were to come together around some common agenda, ted cruz would be dead in the water, because his polls shtick. >> you know, the president had a light touch there, wayne. he said the other day that he knows who the members of his cabinet are by who's ted cruz has called a communist. that's tough talk, but the look of the guy, the political face he puts out there of anger and hatred, only then can you joke about guy saying -- >> well, no, think about this. go beyond the words that he uses. i know it's difficult to do. but it's not just the words he's using, it is what he is -- the way he is saying it. he is talking about absolut

. >> rose: the republican party is a conservative party. >> uh-huh. >> rose: is it a moderate party? >> not right now. >> rose: well i mean can you name me five moderates who have elected office in the republican party? >> well,. >> rose: at the state or fall level? >> and here is part of the problem there are a lot of people out there who think chris christie is a moderate. >> rose: but that's now how in defines himself. >> se not a moderate historically those people who have come into the party and redefined who everybody was and think they can rearrange the deck chairs on the party that right now in real estate chul races is the "titanic", they don't understand the history of the republican party or else they wouldn't be calling chris christie a moderate. a lot of this also is a reaction, it is a reaction to eight years of george w. bush, where i have got to say, a lot of the people today who are kicking and screaming and conducting these ideological witch trials, they kept their mouths shut for eight years when george w. bush was president, and he was engaging in reckless spendin

goes, as the tea party the conservative side of the republican party, the republicans stand to lose the support of people such as i and i speak for many down here in georgia that are fed up with us bobcan party giving dole, mccain and romney who took off his foot from the gas pedal. now, they are promoting christie is why obamapinion got reelected. also, when does a democrat president call a republican governor and congratulate him? we are fed up down here. i can tell you, i have been voting since 1972. if kristi is the nominee -- heistie is the nominee and is not a republican, i will not vote. >> let's go to our democrat line next. good evening. >> good evening. i used to be a republican. willruz and the tea party have to legalize illegal immigrants. >> to milwaukee we go. independent mind, steve is on. >> hi. i am praying for the republicans now. i was raised democrat. [inaudible] the only republican i ever voted for before romney -- >> what about your governor? scott walker has been mentioned as a potential candidate in 2016. >> i hope not. i vote for him -- [inaudible] i think the r

initially marco rubio was the tea party guy who doesn't bring hispanic to the republican party. he goes back to hispanic and says i'll bring you conservatism until he did immigration reform. once marco rubio stepped toward immigration reform, he was seen as a trader to conservatism. ted cruz is himself a latino who says, no, i repudiate the thing that 70% of my fellow latinos want and that gives him that within the conservative movement but it makes him useless to him as someone to broaden the party's base among hispanic. they get someone they like who can make other white republicans feel good about supporting a minority but who can't help bring in more minorities. >> steve schmidt, you hear someone like raphael cruz to talk about sending the president back to kenya, if you want to look at an anti-immigration frame that might have racial components to it, it seems to me it's right in there. >> look, there's no doubt. it's old news at this point that the republican party can't win national elections if it can't do better with latino voters, if it can't do better with asian voter

what does that tell you about the republican party? >>> one thing it might tell you is the gop has a problem with women. they vote democratic. they might consider changing what's in their package. >>> another group republicans can't seem to win, african-americans. so what do you do if you're a republican running in a black neighborhood? well, one guy went out there and convinced people he was black, is black. which is what a white anti-gay activist did in houston, texas. and he won. we'll talk to the man he beat to find out how this got past them. >>> and let me finish tonight with why women lean democratic. i say it's a matter of sharp interest. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. bob will r, which would be fine if bob were a vampire. but he's not. ♪ he's an architect with two kids and a mortgage. luckily, he found someone who gave him a fresh perspective on his portfolio. and with some planning and effort, hopefully bob can retire at a more appropriate age. it's not rocket science. it's just common sense. from td amerit

to moving third party are not tea party republicans, they are the non-tea party republicans. so how are we going to judge this day for this tea party? you're going to judge it really in two states. is there a sweep in virginia, that the democrats end of sweeping, and what happens in that alabama special congressional runoff, tea party versus the establishment. in alabama, that special election for the primary for the state's first congressional district really is a big proxy fight between the establishment, republican candidate bradley burn, who has lost to tea partiers before when he ran for governor and dean young. the two are vying to succeed joe bonner, who resigned from congress in august. but it may be alabama that tells us much more about what goes on there. let's move to virginia. sarvis, what's he going to do. what's his number going to be? 6, 7%? anything around that 5 or 6 mark, it's probably half former democratic voters, half republican. but as you go up, the closer it gets to 10, it is all coming out of cuccinelli. it's why cuccinelli had ron paul working for hi

party chairman and the republican party chairman will be looking at those pictures. one victory is going to be chris christie in new jersey. the humiliating defeat by cuccineli is going to say that americans don't like zealots, the extreme left or right. but right now they're afraid of the right. >> romney didn't win because he was too moderate. they got their contest in virginia and it looks like he's going to be worse than mitt romn romney. the voters opposed to the tea party, just flocked to terry mcauliffe. i think one exception is going to be new york city, where you're going to have a very progressive guy get elected today. the republican party is going to have to move to the center, and the democrats are moving a little bit. >> i think that boehner has been so afraid of the right because he needs 218, 217 to get anything done. so he's been leaning over to the craziest right and now we're getting more of a picture of the dog. well, it's an elephant is what it is. >> and if john boehner is looking at these exit polls from both virginia and new jersey, he'll see

, and the republican party, voters right now are furious with the republican party, but they're not fully ready to reward the democrats, that twls this concern particularly with independent voters about the health carkacarocaroloue rollou. we saw it in a lot of the polling when a lot of terry mccauliffe support, when people said -- more people said that it wasn't that they were volter for terry mccaulifcauliffe, this is the republican brand right now, two conservative for a place like northern virginia which will support moderate main stream establishment republicans, if given the chance in virginia. they weren't given the chance. >> chuck todd, chuck thanks for being was, and if you want to do everybody a favor and just head over and -- based on what they see wings you get to us. >> i think they turned off, by the way, they did turn off that other channel realizing there's other stuff going on. i think they're looking for the remote right now. keep putting up the board, rachel and loet people see it. >> as a public service. hey, look, the news is here. thanks, chuck. again, nbc news proj

. >> rose: what there the steeds of this because the republican party always had a variety of factions, bob taft. >> right. >> rose: who was sort of mainstream republican from the midwest. there was ike eisenhower who comes in, sort of the eastern command hing commanding figure at rockefeller was as well and you had barry goldwater to be followed by ronald reagan. there have always been divisions in the party. >> and now we can see more clearly that there are two approaches. there is a barry goldwater approach, very conservative, purist approach, which actually is very good in congressional races and you may win some seats in very red states using that approach, and you have got the ronald reagan approach, goldwater, mean 64, absolutely slaughtered, one of the worst land slides in u.s. history, two years later, ronald reagan ran on the same platform, but with a smile on his face, and unlike goldwater in 64, who seemed to go out of his way to agitate and irritate a lot of the party lot of the party establishment, ronald reagan brought everybody into the room, and by bringing everybody i

republicans parties should think carefully before we draw that conclusion. i think to the 21 races next year that is 5% in the individual market, we do know is impacted. we do know that the president talking to them about what they would get. that is a voter slice of the electorate. we should learn of the campaigns much 2012 copy them. we should narrow comas on the 5% because in states like north carolina, iowa, louisiana these are states where senators voted for obama care where that 5% is very persuadable. 5 persalters -- matters a lot in the swing state elections. >> o'donnell: you cover these races do you think that's true? >> the environment in virginia very different and political environment that it is in lot of these red states, louisiana, alaska, arkansas. but i think what happened in the virginia governor's race is as much about the success of the mcauliffe campaign in creating turn out that looked a lot like obama 2012. if you look at the exit polls, the people that turned out this election in 2013 looked almost exactly like the people that turned

look, this is a republican party that's been against anything that the president's for. and they haven't presented any sort of alternative to strengthen these plans in the individual market. they're simply raising this as a problem. so i think the president went out tonight to reassure them that there was better coverage at the end of the day. that there will be no more lifetime cap on these plans. they can't drop your coverage because you get sick. >> so the final thing on this, on this kind of promise idea, is that it does seem when you go back in time, and again, hindsight's 20/20, that you could have used language or the president could have used language, or anyone could have used language like, look, the overwhelming majority of you will see nothing change, or only improvements, as opposed to the "you can keep your plan," because there's some person on the other side of the "you." you know, it's a big country, there's 300 million people in this country, when you say "you," that's a kind of categorical problem that you can almost never keep in almost any circumstanc

republican party. bradley byrne defeated young. bill deblasio coasted to victory in the win for the progressive agenda. >> is progressive the word you want here? >> the first democrat. >> there is progressive and then bill deblasio. >> good morning, everywhere. we are in washington. with us on set here we have senior political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein. that was so bad. who would do that? sam stein would. >> if you study the ancient scriptures, they said what happens in a circumcision stays. >> it always says don't tweet. >> and the birth also? >> political analyst and republican national committee michael steele is with us. abc new s newso cokie roberts a hunt. we are not done. let's hear what happened in virginia. >> ken cuccinelli campaigns with the results with the opportunity to win. >> boy nominating the right guy. >> cuccinellis said voters sent a vong signal. >> despite being outspent by $15 million, this race came down to the wire because of obama care. that message will go o

and in the face of the terrible news for the republican party, the republicans have decided they are not sweating it. they are not bummed or worried. they don't see a problem with what happened in virginia last night. and you can see it both in their attitudes and plans about what they will do going forward. in terms of the attitude. i mean, there is no ambiguity about the race, no question about whether or not terry mcauliffe won. but ken cuccinelli reportedly never called the man he lost to. "the washington post" says that cuccinelli has no plans to ever call terry mcauliffe to formally concede or congratulate him on his win. that is in terms of the attitude. in terms of the plan, though, republicans never seem to make a course collection. you may remember even in the reporting of the results coming out from virginia, you already hear the lament from republicans. that they actually could have had a candidate that could have won easily over terry mcauliffe. this guy could have won, the republican lieutenant governor, bill bowling, a sort of main stream republican in virginia who was

in both parties, you see that a lot more in the republican party right now. remember, virginia was ground zero for the harm done by the stupid government shutdown. so you had the tea party candidates coming traipsing through virginia, i don't know who on the republican side thought that was a good idea, but it actually helped mcauliffe. >> when you ran for governor, and some of your campaign ads, there was a difference between the race you ran and the race that mcauliffe ran. your race really focused on your record as a businessman, job creation issues. terry mcauliffe has focused on social issues. his record on birth control and choice and sod my and things like that, that is a real difference in terms of where the state has moved and where the republican party, i think has moved. >> the whole ticket on the republican side this time was so far outside the main stream that terry was actually picking up republican endorsements that i never received. so this was a lot of, i think, actually saying thumbs down on this extreme approach and for the whole country, i

. >> rose: what there the steeds of this because the republican party always had a variety of factions, bob taft. >> right. >> rose: who was sort of mainstream republican from the midwest. there was ike eisenhower who comes in, sort of the eastern command hing commanding figure at rockefeller was as well and you had barry goldwater to be followed by ronald reagan. there have always been divisions in the party. >> and now we can see more clearly that there are two approaches. there is a barry goldwater approach, very conservative, purist approach, which actually is very good in congressional races and you may win some seats in very red states using that approach, and you have got the ronald reagan approach, goldwater, mean 64, absolutely slaughtered, one of the worst land slides in u.s. history, two years later, ronald reagan ran on the same platform, but with a smile on his face, and unlike goldwater in 64, who seemed to go out of his way to agitate and irritate a lot of the party establishment, ronald reagan brought everybody into the room, and by bringing everybody into the room, he

many thought the republican party was going the way of the whig party. only 20% of the electorate considered themselves republicans. within the next five years the republican party was going to revive, and ronald reagan was going to be elected. so we'll begin today's class with a video clip. unfortunately we're not going to have the music that we usually have and the dancing that we do [ laughter ] >> before class. there was a problem with copyright and we didn't want congress being bankrupted. congress is already bankrupt. anyway the couldn't afford the lawyers perhaps. the do have a lot of lawyers. anyway, let's get on with the clip. what we're going to see today is a debate by phyllis schlafley who headed the stop e.r.a. movement and a congresswoman from the state of colorado, a feminist and a proe.r.a. supporter. we could turn down the lights and we'll start the clip. >> abc news correspondent virginia sherwood. >> well, i'd like to start first of all, and i can direct this at both of you but i think mainly it will probably be for you, mrs. sclafley.

i think the bigger question is will the republican party and the republican party the way it is today want him to be their candidate, want him to be the face of that party. >> all right. so david, nbc's kelly o'donnell was on the road with christie over the weekend. she brought up 2016. i want to play a small portion of it for everybody. >> i'm not planning for it, i just think it's inevitable. i think people look at elections and they try to discern things from them about what they mean at that moment and what they mean for the future. and i think that what people are going to see is so unusual for what our party has created in the last couple of years, that invas invariably people will draw from it. >> so that will catch fire nationally. >> the words he's using. >> that's a message right there. >> but the really -- i think the key word in that statement was unusual. he's saying it's unusual for republicans these days to win in a blue state. that is to not be controlled by the right wing ted cruz faction of the party. and as dafna just hinted at, what we're seeing here is yet another

is the republican party at war with its self over gay marriage? >>> same-sex marriage is now legal in fourteen states. just before it came into effect for new jersey, republican governor chris christie quietly dropped his effort to stop those unions. now, some say his action or lack thereof shows a larger shift within the republican party on the issue of gay rights. earlier this year, the republican national committee voted unanimously to keep the

it sometimes plays out the establishment republicans versus tea party republicans. it really is 2 contrary philosophies that are both competing within the party itself. i suspect that there are comparable things, maybe not as serious at the present, within the democratic party. i think you are exactly right. there are many overlapping things that link us more than separate us. host: there was a poll done by gallup in october. to the republican and democratic parties do an adequate job representing the american people, or do they do such a poor job that a third party is needed? 60% of americans said that they do such a poor job of for presenting the people that a third party is needed. 26% said that they adequately represented americans. how does this go in with other public polling or public sentiment about the need for a third-party? guest: i have been following the polling since 1990. there have been questions about third-party and independent challengers. usually, the percentage saying we want a third party or an independent challenger hovers somewhere around the

was i wrong to too prematurely suggest he's the nominee of the republican party? could this hectare him the way it did against vice president biden years ago. >> i think it does. i think it's a real problem for him. again, there is this larger issue that he doesn't -- something like this happens once you say you got a bad egg on staff and you let them go and whatever. it happens again and again. and what i think that suggests to people who follow this stuff closely is he doesn't really care. and that's the kind of thing i think will hurt him. even if people don't think he was actually there on wikipedia cutting and pasting for his speech. but the other thing is the other point is for people that aren't watching that closely, in a republican primary campaign in 2016, if he's saying -- if one of his opponents is saying caught plagiarizing 39 times, he can't come back and say well i didn't plagiarize. i didn't even write the book. it was that guy i hired down from bowling green who was -- that's not going to cut it. >> senator rand paul's appropriated phrases are now

house, the tea party controlling the republican party, and voters are maybe looking at this as more of an equal choice among the two parties. and all things being equal, we're more uncomfortable with the tea party. >> i think it's especially true in virginia, where you have so many federal workers. i think the shutdown did terrible things to the republican brand nationally. that same nbc poll that shows the president at 42% has positive views of the republican party at 22%, which is also the lowest number in the history of that poll. but i think you're going to see something on the order of a 25-point swing, the election results four years ago in virginia, where bob mcdonnell won very soundly and where ken cuccinelli is going to win very soundly this time. you can ascribe part of that to national trends and this being a much better year for democrats than 2009 was. but part of it is this perfect storm where ken cuccinelli has a social issue problem, a scandal problem, he's alienated various northern virginia businesspeople with his opposition to a transportation bill and certain oth

. >> rose: the republican party is a conservative party. >> uh-huh. >> rose: is it a moderate party? >> not right now. >> rose: well i mean can you name me five moderates who have elected office in the republican party? >> well,. >> rose: at the state or fall level? >> and here is part of the problem there are a lot of people out there who think chris christie is a moderate. >> rose: but that's now how in defines himself. >> se not a moderate historically those people who have come into the party and redefined who everybody was and think they can rearrange the deck chairs on the party that right now in real estate chul races is the "titanic", they don't understand the history of the republican party or else they wouldn't be moderate. a lot of this also is a reaction, it is a reaction to eight years of george w. bush, where i have got to say, a lot of the people today who are kicking and screaming and conducting these ideological witch trials, they kept their mouths shut for eight years when george w. bush was president, and he was engaging in reckless spending spree. >> rose: right t

strand of the republican party. there is republicans who aren't in that mode, but in virginia, and in many places now, it is the no compromise tea party wing that is taking control. and i think that brand of government, which virginians saw and experienced with the shutdown is going to get rejected on tuesday. and then with that, back to the rule reforms, look, i'm not an expert on the senate rules and they're complicated. with would we do a complete elimination of the filibuster? probably not. the filibuster has had a venerable part of the tradition of the senate. but the problem is the filibuster was reserved originally for only the most extreme issues when people would take the floor and stand on their feet to try to convince the nation and their colleagues that the senate was about to go the wrong direction. it is being overused in dramatic ways, and it has become part of this nullification strategy. if we can't get rid of a law we don't like, we're going to use the filibuster it defund, decapitate, or we'll use

was i wrong to too prematurely suggest he's the nominee of the republican party? could this hectare him the way it did against vice president biden years ago. >> i think it does. i think it's a real problem for him. again, there is this larger issue that he doesn't -- something like this happens once you say you got a bad egg on staff and you let them go and whatever. it happens again and again. and what i think that suggests to people who follow this stuff closely is he doesn't really care. and that's the kind of thing i think will hurt him. even if people don't think he was actually there on wikipedia cutting and pasting for his speech. but the other thing is the other point is for people that aren't watching that closely, in a republican primary campaign in 2016, if he's saying -- if one of his opponents is saying caught plagiarizing 39 times, he can't come back and say well i didn't plagiarize. i didn't even write the book. it was that guy i hired down from bowling green who was -- that's not going to cut it. >> senator rand paul's appropriated phrases are now