>> well his name is abu bakir al-baghdadi. he took over after the death of mullah omar who was leader of the group when the group was part of al qaeda. weighs able to basically pose the most important and most significant challenge to al qaeda core and its leader al-zawahiri. jenna: you say when they were part of al qaeda. are they not anymore? >> no. syria actually divided the global jihadi movement. you have al nusra and al qaeda plus other affiliates already pledged to ayman al-zawahiri and they continue to fight under ayman al-zawahiri. by the way these groups came out of isis, isis says these groups are traders. we're better than al-zawahiri. we're better than al qaeda. jenna: are they? >> they are worse, absolute. absolutely. what they are doing in syria, what they're doing in iraq today. those guys don't have only the ideology of usama bin laden, the anti-american, anti-western ideology of usama bin laden but also, they pose the ideology, sectarian ideology and ideology that came after the iraq war. jenna: help us navig