trey gowdy points out he didn't look up the statutes. >> i will say this. i agree -- i've never heard a committee of congress be that rough on somebody. >> would you be wasting your time apologizing to this guy. >> you got to ask why are they kissing up to this guy? because he's a donor. it's like a hooker going after your pimp. i haven't seen this kind of cover-up since robin williams played "mrs. doubtfire." what does it take for the mainstream media to care that irs have to execute tea partiers or have to say i hope these bullets recyclable. the irs scandal, with the va stuff, the p.o.w., it shows every part of the obama apple is bad. used to be able to eat around the worm. now it's all worm and no apple. >> you pointed out -- maybe i heard the guy -- >> the arrogance. the smile he had going on there. >> so koskinen sits there like butter would not melt. okay. that i think also is the other thing that has really irritated people. not just the guys on the committee but people watching at home thinking how can he sit there. the thing is, greg points out so

trey gowdy points out he didn't look up the statutes. >> i will say this. i agree -- i've never heard a committee of congress be that rough on somebody. >> would you be wasting your time apologizing to this guy. >> you got to ask why are they kissing up to this guy? because he's a donor. it's like a hooker going after your pimp. i haven't seen this kind of cover-up since robin williams played "mrs. doubtfire." what does it take for the mainstream media to care that irs have to execute tea partiers or have to say i hope these bullets recyclable. the irs scandal, with the va stuff, the p.o.w., it shows every part of the obama apple is bad. used to be able to eat around the worm. now it's all worm and no apple. >> you pointed out -- maybe i heard the guy -- >> the arrogance. the smile he had going on there. >> so koskinen sits there like butter would not melt. okay. that i think also is the other thing that has really irritated people. not just the guys on the committee but people watching at home thinking how can he sit there. the thing is, greg points out so

trey gowdy had questions, but the commissioner didn't have answers. all he had was democratic talking points. >> you have the evidence that there is no e mails. you have all of the treasury e-mails. so the basic premise that this was an argument driven by the white house -- >> no, sir, you're wrong about that. you're repeating a talking point from our colleagues on the other side that we're obsessed with the white house. it was jay carney who perpetuated the myth that it was two rogue agents in ohio. it wasn't any of us. was that accurate? was that first initial line of defense that this is just two rogue agents in ohio? was that accurate, commissioner? >> not that i know of. >> all right. so that wasn't accurate. and that came from the white house. who said there is not a smidgen of corruption? who said that, commissioner? >> my understanding is that was the president. >> it was the president. so that's jay carney and the president, both inserting themselves into the irs scandal. and you want to blame us for bringing the white house into it? >> i hav

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chris gowdy works very near one of the blazes and is hoping security tape caught the suspect. >> if ithopefully it's not an arsonist, but if it is, i hope they catch him soon. >> reporter:

chairman gowdy and myself are not going to let it happen. that is straightforward and it is to collect the data and get the documents and speak to the folks who know about the evening and aftermath and how that administration behaved and get those facts and present them to the american people and democrats should want to get the facts for the american people and for those families of four dead americans. >> you talk about the families, one of the reasons that it is intense fee personal for me is interviewed charles woods, father of tyroen woods and looked him in the eye and told him we will not forgive this. this man's son died and he wants to know why. it seems that you have a real strong responsibility to be able to look charles woods and other family members in the eye and say this is what happened to your children. do you feel that permanently as you approach this task? >> i do, yes, sir, i am a west point graduate and i saw the president there and he gave a speech and i found it disturbing. i have an enormous doubt to the families and g

lou: dear liza along with trey gowdy and jason chaffetz and others on the committee, finally expressing the outrage be outraged that i have been calling for the past few days. >> when this irs scandal unfolded almost a year ago, he said that he would fully cooperate in this administration but they haven't done a darn thing to help us get to the truth of what has really happened. lou: we will take up the obama scandal at two of the leading strategists, ed rollins and jason zimmerman joins us in moments. and also the first american boots are now back on the ground in iraq despite the president's declaration that our troops wouldn't be returning to the fight, 90 of our military advisers have returned to the region, secretary of state john kerry today admitting the advance copy entire obama administration by surprise. >> someone could've found out that litters have been betrayed and have caved in and that would have been terrific. but we don't have people embedded in those units. and so obviously no one knew that. so i think everyone in iraq with surprise and people were surprised everywher

. >> safe act introduced by trey gowdy not only restores that but you have a right as a state to participate in it and the government can't kick you out without cause, which is skpanltly what they did after the supreme court rendered its decision. if arizona couldn't have been kicked oust that program, there would be better enforcement of the laws. but as soon as that decision came out. the obama administration kicked them out. they shouldn't be able to do that. that's one of the things the law does which is to make sure we have meaningful laws so the president can't flip a switch and decide not to enforce the law. >> congressman, as always, good to have you with us. a frustrating day but an informative day for the american people. is there any prospect at all that the republican conference can come up with a response to this crisis of children from central america primarily being literally dumped on our side of the border and as many as 60,000 people this year, young children, next year doubled that number. what are we going to do? >> yes. well, first of all, showing them the doorstep and c

>> well, there is a possibility, andrea, that the special committee that representative tray gowdy is heading up he has shut down the communications on it. there have been no leaks out of that committee, it could be that they had some information they were going presenting to the administration they decided now is the time to make a move. it was one fbi agent who wrote the criminal complaint. when they bring him back here, they still have to go to a grand jury, that's one of reasons that protect act is supported. they get all of those rights and drag the situation out for years. >> i talked to a former bush prosecutor, he has a great piece on it he couldn't be charged in a military court. federal court is a far wider jurisdiction. he said the success rate is federal court is great. they are likely interrogating him now. >> once he hits u.s. mainland veled have to stop interrogating him and he would lawyer up. >> they actually traditionally have been and in past i know they have put other terrorists on the slow boat and they have interrogated them for weeks and even months. sohey are p

chris gowdy works very near one of the blazes and is hoping security tape caught the suspect. >> if ithopefully it's not an arsonist, but if it is, i hope they catch him soon. >> reporter: triple digit temperatures and wind, with that combination, things can get out of hand. ? we have to make sure that we keep our people in good shape and hydrated. know being it's a fire that didn't have to happen is definitely a step back for us. >> reporter: the heat isn't a set back for livermore residents who are used to the annual misery. they crowd yogurt shops which have seen a 20% increase in sales. this fountain is a local favorite when it's hot. the kids obviously love it. >> we don't have an air conditioner at home. so i'm always trying to find ways to keep them cool and run some energy out of them so they're tired. >> reporter: back to the arson, no one's been hurt, and no buildings or homes have been damaged, but of course, that's the fear. that could change at any moment. >> it is a very real fear. another suspected arsonist is in jail tonight in santa rosa. police took a 50 year old into custody

. >> asked about those comments, the chairman of the house benghazi committee, republican tray gowdy told fox news the select committee is focused on conducting a fair and fact-driven investigation, we need every relevant, witness, document or other piece of evidence to have all the facts. lastly playing up the obama cabinet team of rivals. she likened herself to an abraham lincoln and stephen douglas. >> don't forget hillary clinton talks with greta van susteren and me live next tuesday right here on "special report." you don't want to miss that. >> the -- republicans said it was too expensive on the bill for the student loan debt bill. >> the dow was down 102. nasdaq was off 6. we can bring you a first person account to the pilot who flew knew libya after the terror attacks to get americans out. his story and the stories of some of the survivors he flew out. next. can you start tomorrow? yes sir. alright. let's share the news tomorrow. today we failrly busy. tomorrow we're booked solid. we close on the house tomorrow. i want one of these opened up. because tomorow we go live... it'

>> well, i have a hard time actually identifying the ones at the party, somebody like trey gowdy, i don't know if you categorize him as a tea party candidate, he came in 201 but a very thoughtful, honest person who i think would be easy to deal with. i've talked to him about immigration reform. i think he would like to work with us on that. some of the really extreme people are controlling the agenda, when republicans wants to do something, they put forth the most extreme possible approach to any question, whether it's the affordable care act or energy or education and they make it impossible for either the senate to consider it seriously, certain for the president too think about signing anything. i think if -- unless the republican party can get a handle on the tea party or at least figure out a way to marginalize them inside the congressional system, then we're going continue to have this gridlock because there is no chance of any common ground. >> congressman, thank you so much for your time. >> thanks, ronan. >> what does cantor's defeat mean on the other side for republican candidat

you know trey gowdy is an experienced prosecutor on my committee. he said very simply she is offered only that she is innocent and misunderstood. we have referred criminal charges from congress because she is not misunderstood. we understood pretty well. >> last question and i have got to run. you know, that the attorney general of the united states is not going to aggressively pursue ms. lerner. you know that. so, it looks to me like this is never going to be clarified. last ward. >> we have, in fact, referred out of the ways and means four criminal charges and she has been held in contempt. that is a certainly a good start to say she committed crimes against conservatives in her official role and, in fact, once she is charged by the justice department eric holder ever does it? >> he won't. >> then we have an opportunity to offer immunity, right now justice department of president obama and eric holder. >> that's right. >> there you go. appreciate your time tonight. plenty more ahead as the if a factor moves along this evening. can president obama

gowdy. >> thank you mr. chairman. mr. you are an attorney. can you explain to our fellow citizens what it means? exfoliation of the evidence is on a party fails to preserve evidence. there is a negative inference that the jury can draw from their failure to preserve the evidence. are you with may? if you destroy destroy documents the jury can infer that those documents weren't going to be good for you. if he failed to keep documents the jury came in for those documents were not going to be good for you. you have heard the phrase exfoliation of evidence haven't you? >> i can't recall it. >> civil hearings criminal hearings. >> i practice law 45 years ago and never went back. >> let me tell you what you would have found. when a party has a duty to preserve evidence or records and they failed to do so there is a negative inference that is drawn from their failure to preserve the evidence. it's common sense, right? if you destroy something the jury has a right to infer that whatever you destroyed would not have been good for you. or else every li

>> well, there is a possibility, andrea, that the special committee that representative tray gowdy is heading up he has shut down the communications on it. there have been no leaks out of that committee, it could be that they had some information they were going presenting to the administration they decided now is the time to make a move. it was one fbi agent who wrote the criminal complaint. when they bring him back here, they still have to go to a grand jury, that's one of reasons that protect act is supported. they get all of those rights and drag the situation out for years. >> i talked to a former bush prosecutor, he has a great piece on it he couldn't be charged in a military court. federal court is a far wider jurisdiction. he said the success rate is federal court is great. they are likely interrogating him now. >> once he hits u.s. mainland veled have to stop interrogating him and he would lawyer up. >> they actually traditionally have been and in past i know they have put other terrorists on the slow boat and they have interrogated them for weeks and even months. so they are

. >> reporter: former federal prosecutor trey gowdy went after koskinen for saying there's no evidence a crime has been committed. >> you can rely on common sense -- >> common sense. instead of the criminal code you want to rely on common sense. you can shake your head all you want to. >> i reviewed no criminal statute. >> up don't have any idea whether there's any criminal conduct or not because you don't know the elements of the offense. >> i've seen no evidence of wrongdoing. >> will you call the fbi and ask them to come in and investigate these missing e-mails that their destruction could have been a crime? >> at this time the inspector general and independent agency not controlled by us started that gauges. >> issa questioned why the irs doesn't have a better back up. >> $1.8 million in i.t. is your budget. $1.8 billion. >> if we had the right resources there would be a lot of priorities we would have. >> florida republican praised john koskinen's years of service. >> you're probably in a position at the end of the parade with the broom and shovel here. >> reporter: after not gett

chairman, good to see you tonight, and so there was trey gowdy going after mr. kosc known who by all accounts was described as very arrogant as his demeanor in front of you this week. should the american people be trusting that man to lead this investigation internally in terms of compliance with your demands and that now that's being raised by the u.s. senate? >> well, megyn, it was senator mccaskill, a democratic senator, who described him as arrogant. 80% of the american people don't believe they are telling the truth about these drives and the lost data or particularly the question of targeting conservative groups, and, of course, a democratic political appointee of the president, confirmed by a democratic senate on a less than 60-vote requirement is not the ideal person, not even an appropriate person to investigate these crimes, but megyn, you now know neither is eric holder. this case calls for a true special independent prosecutor who has the ability to issue warrants, to seize materials, to safeguard dock oumts and other information before it goes away

this should not become a political slug fest, chairman gowdy and myself and the other members of the committee aren't going to let that happen. the task is really straightforward. it's to take the data, collect the data, get the documents, speak to the folks, the events of that evening and the after math, how the administration behaved in the after math. gets the fact. there's no politics in that. the democrats should want to ghoets get those facts for the american people. one of the reasons this has become so intensely personal to me is having interviewed the father, of charles wood. he wants to know why his son died. it seems to me that you have a real strong responsibility to be able to look charles woods and the other family members in the eye and say here's what really happened to your children. do you feel that personally as you approach this task? >> i do, yes, sir. you have to know, i'm a west point graduate. i saw the president there this week. he gave a speech that i found deeply disturbing and i view my role on this committee precisely as you described. i have an enormous

trey gowdy is a great choice. the committee announced its first order of business will be to try to establish a timeline. there should be two timelines and they would have to merge at some level. the time line of what exactly happened in benghazi and the timeline of what exactly happened in washington. and try to fit them both together. not start at the top where they get people refusing those subpoenas, but at the bottom. ask the people who were in benghazi at the time, who were at the cia annex and at the u.s. diplomatic facility what they s saw, who was there, what was their personal experience? what did the obama administration tell you when you came home about sharing those experiences with the congressional committees? they have stated they were, some were never questioned, some were very much discouraged from coming forward. that would be some of the security staff and others who have come forward have been punished for doing so. have been sidelined, denied promotions, denied basically professional activity

ahmed abu khattala, he often appeared in public as if to taunt the administration and congressman trey gowdy pointedly gave the president no credit saying i applaud our military and law enforcement officials for apprehending this terrorist. senate majority leader harry reid quickly called it disgusting for republicans to down play the takedown. >>> wonder if the men and women who captured the terrorists agree with the republicans saying it's no big deal. >> reporter: a big deal ahead will be how the case is tried with attorney general eric holder making clear khattalah will face trial in a criminal court killing a person in a federal facility, attempting to conspire terrorists and death and using a firearm in a crime of violence. while legal analysts say the case is a slam-dunk since he was spotted at the consulate at the time of the attacks and later boasted about it. marco rubio said that is not the point, it is being sent to g guantanamo for other attacks. >> we're not talking a burglary of a 7-eleven here. the idea we're treating these now as traditional criminal charges not only misses

interestingly, trey gowdy saying congratulations to everybody. he didn't mention the president. the republicans do not want to give the president a victory on this. and this white house wants to say, look, after all the attacks, this is a more positive story for them. >> the next thing is to try to find somebody else that this person may have been linked to. jen, give us information, if you can. >> well, i think it's important to remember that in those initial hours and days after the attack, there was very clear information and intelligence, leading -- leading the community to and south korea and abu khattala was ahead of that in benghazi, and there's natural that they would have picked him up. and there were many more people involved in this including a former gitmo detainee. i think the problem is, the administration has indicated they are not going to say any of this high-value targets to guantanamo bay. so it raises the bar in terms of the evidence needed to bring them before a judge in the united states. so that can also slow down the process because they have to build a c

you know trey gowdy is an experienced prosecutor on my committee. he said very simply she is offered only that she is innocent and misunderstood. we have referred criminal charges from congress because she is not misunderstood. we understood pretty well. >> last question and i have got to run. you know, that the attorney general of the united states is not going to aggressively pursue ms. lerner. you know that. so, it looks to me like this is never going to be clarified. last ward. >> we have, in fact, referred out of the ways and means four criminal charges and she has been held in contempt. that is a certainly a good start to say she committed crimes against conservatives in her official role and, in fact, once she is charged by the justice department eric holder ever does it? >> he won't. >> then we have an opportunity to offer immunity, right now justice department of president obama and eric holder. >> that's right. >> there you go. appreciate your time tonight. plenty more ahead as the if a factor moves along this evening. can president obama

this is a guy said no wrongdoing has happened and then he admitted to trey gowdy in questioning he doesn't know what the law is. he didn't seem to care enough about the american people. how terrible it is what is going on with the american people i hat not been remorseful about it came in to clean up the mess. not so worried. >> they found out he knew about these emails being missing. he knew about the hard drive problem and he had not told the committee that he simply wasn't going to tell them until he felt he had all of his information together. and they said that's not your decision to make. >> panel, thank you. >> let's go off-the-record for a minute. time for attorney general eric holder to go. either resign or president obama should fire him. the attorney general's john is to protect the american people, and that includes protecting them from bad government officials and renegade government agencies. holder is not doing his since he won't do it, he decency appoint someone who will, a special prosecutor. he won't do that either. i don't get holder. he actually has a really fair good j

one by one, members of the state's congressional delegation, from congressman nick mulvaney to trey gowdy made it clear they would not challenge lindsey graham, leaving six little known, poorly funded candidates, competing today, to try to force the race into a runoff and get a two-week, one on one with them. in the latest poll in the race, none of them have cracked double digits. the question today is not whether graham wins, but whether he wins more than 50% of the vote and avoids that june 24th runoff. yesterday, closing out his campaign with a five-city bus tour, graham sounded pretty confident. >> at the end of the day, i really do believe there's a contest going on in the republican party, between the ronald reagan republican, where 80% is a good day, and ideological purity. if everything holds, we're going to win tomorrow without a runoff, and i think we're going to win decisively. >> if you win tomorrow without a runoff, what do you think it says about the gop? >> i think it says that solving a problem and being conservative and not being consistent. >> very interesting, that lind

trey gowdy answered have a bill that would do two things. one, it would let the colleges make some recommendations on regulations where we can give them some relief to lower cost. secondly give them flexibility to try to accelerate graduation, let high school kids take courses, give competency based credits so kids can get out in less than four years rather than more than five years. third, i'd like to see us help with energy retro fits in our college campuses. that's an area where the federal government is making progress to save money on our federal buildings, let's help the colleges. and let's encourage college to end the arms race. it's great to live in a fancy dorm, great to have a tremendous athletic facility, but it's not so great to have the debt that goes along with paying for that for 30 years after you've graduated. we've got to focus on the cost. >> matt, one thing i find interesting is when i went to school, i'm only about six years out, i had a lot of colleagues that would talk about the crushing student debt they were very wor

chairman, good to see you tonight, and so there was trey gowdy going after mr. kosc known who by all accounts was described as very arrogant as his demeanor in front of you this week. should the american people be trusting that man to lead this investigation internally in terms of compliance with your demands and that now that's being raised by the u.s. senate? >> well, megyn, it was senator mccaskill, a democratic senator, who described him as arrogant. 80% of the american people don't believe they are telling the truth about these drives and the lost data or particularly the question of targeting conservative groups, and, of course, a democratic political appointee of the president, confirmed by a democratic senate on a less than 60-vote requirement is not the ideal person, not even an appropriate person to investigate these es, neither is eric holder. this case calls for a true special independent prosecutor who has the ability to issue warrants, to seize materials, to safeguard dock oumts and other information before it goes away and get to the truth. >> and

and they've been voting to create their special trey gowdy led select committee on benghazi, lashing out at how they negotiated for the release of prisoner bowe bergdahl. and because congress seems unlikely to do any governing here, the estranged participa d congress here, has pretty much given up on them entirely. instead, he's pushing his own agenda without them, and inviting them along if they ever have a change of heart on even a single issue. today the administration extended marriage benefits, for example, for same-sex families. that allows same-sex couples to take leave from their jobs, to take care of a same-sex spouse, even if the state where they live doesn't recognize gay marriage. and that is news on its own, and it's exactly, of course, what the president outlined for this year in his january state of the union. >> we are not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we're providing americans the kind of help that they need. i've got a pen and i've got a phone. and i can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and admini

. >> i checked with congressman gowdy, who has a lot more knowledge of law and prosecuting than i do. he said a term i should have used was noncooperative witness rather than hostile. >> yeah, totally different thing. well, it's worth arguing that the most informative part of today's, last night's and friday's exercise was the revelation that the irs still uses windows xp. it's also worth noting that ms. o'connor's loose connection is not what made her an attractive witness to drag to capitol hill today. rather, it was undoubtedly two magic words in her current title, white house. >> i believe lois lerner is hiding something. i believe the justice department, the irs, and the white house are interested in her succeeding and hiding what he's shiedin ihiding, which is g of conservative groups and their ideology. >> ah, yes, citizens united. which brings us back to the whole reason why some republicans are in an uproar in the first place. because, as i pointed out in read between the lines yesterday, in our nbc first read team aptly writes today, because they couldn't take advantage of a

among them was congressman trey gowdy. he demanded to know whether the irs has done any digging to find out whether a crime has been committed. >> what criminal statutes have you looked at. >> i haven't looked at any. >> then how can you tell our fellow citizens that already no element of the crime if you don't know what statutes are in play of. what statutes have you evaluated. >> i think you can rely on common sense. >> common sense instead of the criminal code you want to rely on common sense. >> i reviewed no criminal a tiewts. >> you don't have any idea wets there is criminal conduct because you don't know the elements of the offense. >> i have seen no evidence of wrongdoing. martha: jason ch ge jay -- jasoz was in that hearing and he will in the hearing today. let's go back to last night for a moment in terms of koskinen and what he had to say. is there any indication to you that he who was brought in to figure out what happened and get the irs under control is making a conscious evident to shake the bushes and figur

trey gowdy is a great choice, and committee has announced its first order of business would be established timeline and there timelinesually be two and they would have to merge at some level, the timeline of what exactly happened in benghazi, and the timeline of what exactly happened in washington. bothhen try to fit them together. the third thing they need to do is not start at the top, where they are likely to get people refusing cepeda news -- refusing subpeonas, but people at the bottom, what they saw happened, who was there, what was the personal experience, and what the obama administration tell you once you came home about sharing those experiences with the congressional committee, because they have some words never questioned, some were very much discouraged from coming forward, i would be some of the security staff, and others who have come forward have been sidelined, denied promotions, denied basically professional activity after that. and then what the committee in an act ofmaybe mental exercise, try to disregard what has been written -- thet and what has narrative that was cre

gowdy for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman. director you have excellent agents in south carolina and i know would mean the world to you you -- to them if you the chance to tell them one of their fellow citizens from south carolina appreciates their work. there's a gentleman by the name of jim lana men in particular that really is a credit to the bureau. >> i'm visiting all 56 by the end of year. i will be in columbia and i will find that guy and embarrass him. >> i probably just did embarrass him. let me know when you are visiting and i will make sure the senator graham is not serving in the state. jimmy jordan asked you about the irs targeting scandal. i'm not going to ask you about it because you can't comment and it's not fair for me to ask you a series of questions where you have to say you can't comment. i just want to make an observation to maybe try to help you understand where jimmy is coming from. you used to be in a courtroom where you had challenges for cause and you had preemptory challenges and i have never argued

i checked with congressman gowdy who has a lot more knowledge of law and i do. he said a term i should have used was noncooperative witness rather than hostile since you and the white house refused to provide your services here on an ordinary ordinary request and we had to subpoena unilaterally based on the denial that you would appear otherwise. so i want to make sure that i don't use a word that perhaps does make people think something isn't true. this is simply a witness that refused to cooperate without eight subpoena. >> mr. mica. >> thank you, mr. chairman. just for the record, i heard the ranking member start with the comments that we were hauling people up here unnecessarily. that was his phrase. and i would take great difference with that comment. first of all, last night, we brought mr. koskinen back, the commissioner. and we brought him back, and i went through his testimony when he came to us in march. and he never mentioned any problem with the e-mails back in march, lois lerner's e-mails. the chairman showed everyone on the committee both sides of

gowdy for five minutes. >> thank you. director, you have excellent agents in south carolina and i know it would mean the world to them if you had a chance to tell them that one of their fellow citizens from south carolina appreciates their work. there's a gentleman by the name of jim lanmen in particular that really is a credit to the bureau. >> i'm visiting all 56 by the end of this year, i'll be in columbia and find that guy and embarrass him. >> i probably just did embarrass him. let me know when you're visiting, i'm make sure senator graham is not in the state so you don't have to worry about serving warrants while you're there. jimmy jordan asked you about the irs targeting scandal, i'm not going to ask you about it because you can't comment and it's not fair to ask you a series of questions where you have to say you can't comment. i want to make an organization to maybe try to help you understand where jimmy is coming from. you used to be in a courtroom where you had challenges for cause and you had preeliminate tri

says the obama administration has an obligation to share whatever information he offers with chairman gowdy and the select committee about events before, the benghazi er attacks. john kirby, the admiral john kirby, will be holding a hearing momentarily. that will get under way in just a minute or two over on c-span2. we'll take you live now to the house floor. the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. the prayer will be offered by our chaplain, father conroy. chaplain conroy: let us pray. god of grace and goodness, thank you for giving us another day. your divine wisdom and power are abundantly sufficient for our many needs. endow the members of this assembly with the loyalty that never waivers and the courage that never falters as they seek to fulfill the high and holy mission which you have entrusted to them. may it be their purpose and all of ours to see to the hopes of so many americans that we you a thept kate the grandeur and glory of the ideals and principles of our democracy with the work we do. as the house returns from visits to their respective districts, may we all be