one nato member who is -- who is border with moscow, is norway, a long-term nato member, and we heard early on that that news conference from the new secretary general of nato, takes his office on the first of october, he is the man that is will now lead nato at this very, very time. interest he is the twice prime minister of norway, and when he was prime minister of norway was known to have extremely good relations with president putin. >> what have we been hearing about nato countries about how willing they are to get involved. what other -- what other ways can they get involved? >> well, they can talk tough, and they can come up with strong measures to protect nato members, and go on exercises and rotation in eastern europe, but they are not willing to put troops on the ground it's there in case russia was to do anything with regard to any of the nato allies who are near russia. the other thing we have been hearing is about nato's funding and defensing in general, because some say it's wrong that the u.s. pays so much of nato's budget number one. and there has now been a commit in

to nato operations. now, in the case of iraq, first of all, we're not speaking about a nato operation, but so far a coalition on the willing. furthermore, it may play a role that isis has also taken turkish hostages. i don't know. it's for the turkish government to answer that question, but i have to say, seen from my chair, that turkey has played a crucial role within our alliance, and continues to play a crucial role, and overall, i would also have to say, turkey -- not least because of the radical location, is a very important ally and partner from a strategic point of view. and as regards missile defense, i'm sure that the turkish authorities have listened to concerns raised by fellow allies. next, on energy. first of all, let me stress that nato's core task is territorial defense of our allies. and as regards pipelines, on allied -- on allied territory, of course, it's part of the territorial defense to protect such pipelines and other means of energy supply. but first of all, i think energy securit

latvia or poland, lithuania, a member of nato but has some partnership alliances with nato. he says the u.s. must modernize and help strengthen ukraine's forces. i wonder if that means providing weapons to the ukrainian military and then he goes on to say we must do more to help other nato partners and he cites two other republics on the borders with russia, georgia and moldova, strengthen their defenses as well. if you're putin, if you're the russians you hear him talking about georgia, moldova, ukraine, nato, strengthening their partnership militarily, speaking with those countries. >> reporter: right. >> that is very, very powerful to vladimir putin, sergey lavrov, the russian foreign minister. the russians hate that kind of talk. >> reporter: they absolutely do. >> if anything it could have an impact of strengthening their desire to stand up to nato and the u.s. >> reporter: wolf, that is a balancing act that this president is trying to deal with now because it as you mentioned when he talked about upgrading ukraine's defensive capabilities, that was a tip of the hat to

from there, nato will gather and decide how to increase nato cooperation with ukraine. this is the kind of decision that we in nato take together. on the humanitarian side, we doubled our humanitarian and developed assistance and looking for what more we can do. we have already brought wounded, seriously wounded ukrainian soldiers to our topnotch rebi rehabilitation center here, and we'll continue to do so. that is one thing that ukrainians lack that and have it at a superbly high level went with the assistance of the united states and walter reid hospital. the next couple months leading up to the parliamentary elections will be very tricky. russia, i predict, will do everything in its power to undermine the elections. we've seep this already in the case of the presidential elections. it will try to destabilize the government in kiev and keep ukrainian forces from gaining ground in the east. we should be prepared for a tough several or month, month and a half. the next government, of course, that will be then -- will have the full legitimacy, comes with a new parliament

ukraine has stood by nato, now, in these difficult times, nato stands by ukraine. our support is concrete and tangible. we have established a comprehensive and tailored package, of measures so that ukraine can better provide for it's own security. we will focus on cyber defense, logistics and command control and communications. we will also help with rehabilitation for troops in the conflict. we will provide advice, to help ukraine with defense reforms, and allies will assist ukraine with around 15 million euro through nato, and in addition to that, we have heard several announcements of by lateral assistance, financially, and in other ways. and independent sovereign and stable ukraine firmly committed to democracy and the rule of law is key to europe's security. that is nato's goal, and i know that is your goal too, mr. president. thank you very much, indeed. ladies and gentlemen, i am really glad as you know, we have opened a very substantial discussion and maybe ukraine summit today. i never feel such a strong enormous support, but all of the leaders of the coun

what can nato do to push russia? if it can't be involved on the ground, you need to persuade russia politically to back out. >> well, i mean, nato, the americans and europeans alike have made it clear from the beginning the military option which means siding with the ukrainians in a military way was out of the question. that means there's few instruments left the west can use to impress putin. the summit is primarily concerned sending a reassurance signal to nato ally this is the east. it knows well options on the ground in ukraine are limited. there's perhaps financial support. real military involvement is out of the question. >> leaders here in new port are saying we may not frankly be able to do much about the situation on the ground in donetsk, but we're dealing balt baltic states you're not going to lose your independence. we're not going back to old days of the iron curtain. >> that was the political debate inside nato. these countries and baltics and poland specifically had voiced their fear, have been working

and the nato allies. isis has been fighting rather the free syrian army has been fighting isis and they have been fighting the more extremists, but they haven't had the wherewithal to get the job done as they have told me. we can keep fighting but we can't win without the kind of support that we've been begging for. >> and the u.s. -- several and other allies countries are reluctant to provide those weapons, because they're afraid they could wind up in the hands of terrorists, whether isis or al nusri or other terrorist groups. the president is about to walk in, wrapping up this nato summit. we'll hear from him. in fact, here he is right now. >> good afternoon. let me begin by thanking my great friend, prime minister cameron, and his entire team for hosting this nato summit and make making it such a success. i want to thank the people of new port, cardiff, the people of wales for welcoming me and my delegation so warmly. it's a great honor to be the first sitting u.s. president to visit wales. we've met a

and that's why nato is waking up to the new nato war with russia. to boost nato's rapid response capabilities. the alliance may build a command station in poland as tensions with russia build. and meanwhile, president putin may boost their defense spending. right now, 3/4 of nato's defense is taken up by the united states, but with nato entering a new heightened state of readiness, the question of nato is coming to the fore. >> fighting in the ukraine, turning all eyes to this week's nato summit in wales. monday, they paraded the alliance's proactive side. unveiling plans for a new rapid reaction force to respond to russian aggression and other burgeoning security challenges. >> able to deploy at very short notice. >> a sense of urgency, at odds with the financial contributions of the majority of nato members. >> nato is an alliance of 28 countries, to ask for the security and defense of its members. >> nato have agreed to spend 2% of their gdp on their defense spending to help secure their alliance. as of last year, only four members fulfilled that

has nato let you down? >> nato had let us down for quite a while. the sanctions are good. you cannot fight back and you cannot defend your country in the face of a nuclear power with night vision goggles. what we are getting from the west, there will be some ways for military help and equipment including the lethal weapons. again, it is just a discussion. >> your president, mr. poroshenko says that he will order a cease-fire possibly as early as friday. why do you think the separatist will stop fighting? >> >> we had already won a sensual experience with cease-fire when we declared cease-fire in early june and wound up with many more dead soldiers and premises gained by the terrorists. so, right now, there is a feeling in the air at least on our side of the fight that we had already and not. another of the dead voice. we need somehow to get it over with and come to some sort of solution. >> vladimir putin was reported as saying recently that he could take kiev in two weeks if you wanted to. when you hear the russian leader speaking that way, how real can you believe that d

so president obama here, ahead of that nato summit to say, look, if you're a member of nato, we're going to protect you. arsenal five protecting attack is attack against call. the subtext of that and if you're not a nato member, you don't qualify for that kind of protection, of course, ukraine, where the crisis is right now is not a member of the nato alliance. >> indeed, one of the reasons why ukraine would like to move forward closer to these european groups they want to be more alive with europe than russia and that's something that vladimir putin does not want. quickly, this is the first time we'll be hearing from the president since the murder of steven sotloff. i can expect that we'll hear the president talk about that on the top of his remarks? >> this was always going to be on the agenda. he wasn't going to discuss this, it wasn't part of the agenda, but obviously, this gruesome video merging just after president obama got on the plane. he'll be asked questions about this issue in the press conference in the next 45 minutes. >> thank you, matthew. >>> ukrainian officials say they

i'm at the nato summit in wales. within the last hour or so, nato's secretary general has said the international community as a whole he believes has an obligation to stop islamic state advancing further. david cameron has been talking about the situation of the british hostage threatened by islamic state fighters. he warned no ransom should be paid. he orders other leaders not to pay fundings that help militants. these are among the pressing issues for the 28 leaders meeting here currently. >> reporter: inrepor>> reporter aarrive in wales for a new sense of purpose. for the prime minister, the fate of the hostage captured by members of the islamic state. >> when a british person is taken anywhere in the world, i make sure every part of zbochlt comes together and i supervise personally to make sure the intelligence agencies, police, security forces, whoever else, and ask what we can do to help. >> president obama is declaring he won't be cowl eled by extremists. it's not clear what this will involve. the latest secre

that's because there is an old treaty between nato and russia, which says that nato agreed not to do that. i'll told rather than the word permanent basis there will be persistence, both to deter moscow and reassure those members of nato that live on russia's border. >> thanks very much, james we'll be keeping in contact with that conference has it goes on today. thanks very much. >>> well the president of ukraine has said that he is ready to declare a ceasefire. on friday scheduled peace talks are launched in laboring belarus. rebels say they would submit to a truce if the meeting is successful. paul brennan has more. >> reporter: in the last 25 minutes, we have seen -- actually we have heard and seen a sustained barrage of what could be artillery or mortar fire from the north of the city here where i'm standing in donetsk that way -- close to the airport frankly, a big poll of smoke rose above the billings. we're not sure which way it is going. it sounds almost as though it is outcoming from the airport which is held by a small contingent of ukrainian soldiers. but in mariupol, whic

as we head into the nato summit in wales, estonia is an example of how every nato member needs to do its fair share for our collective advance. theve come here to reaffirm united states' commitment to the security of estonia. we have article five duties to our collective defense. that is a commitment that is unbreakable, unwavering, eternal , and estonia will never stand alone. i have made sure that we are fulfilling that promise. to updater alliance our contingency plan for the defense of this region early in my presidency. additional nato forces began rotating through the baltics, including estonia, for more training and exercises. and response to russia's actions in ukraine earlier this year, the united states increased our presence further. we have contributed additional aircraft. we are not continuously rotating additional personnel and aircraft through the baltics. i look forward to joining the prime minister and thanking the service members later today. on him -- my visit to warsaw this spring, i announced a new initiative. we are working with congress to make sure that we del

nato should be adequate in its response. it means that the security level for all nato member states should be the same and should not matter where geographically or hiss store cli. my part of europe is active. >> did you want more? would you have liked permanent nato bases if in list tone i can't, lithuania? >> we already have in other countries. >> that was representative talking to our correspond end who has been present at nato summit for the past two days. of course that summit focussing on many areas but one of the main as we were hearing there is the ongoing situation with ukraine. that concern that the violence is continuing in eastern ukraine. also one of the other key leaders for nato is meeting in wales to try and develop a strategy to go against isis. they're calling for board support from allies and partners from the region. we are in irbil. i asked earlier what the possible options were. >> it's going to have to be done on an industrial scale if they're going to uproot the islamic state in iraq. a lots is north

side should affect nato, should nato rebalance. while that may at one point may have been a major discussion for the summit, i think it will fall lower in the agenda of the side bar conversations because of the business with afghanistan, certainly russia and eastern europe elements and now the middle east. let me stop there and that we are open up to questions. >> if you can identify themselveses that will be helpful for the transcript. let's start with julie. >> i have a question on afghanistan. it seems like from the u.s. perspective the obama administration is giving the afghans a lot of leeway to figure out their politics before saying they would have to pull all of the troops as. and i am wondering about the countries that could potentially keep a commitment after this year. >> i think that there is no one nato. let me break it down to u.k., western european view. and the u.s. view. i do think you accurately captured that. i think we are being respectful to the afghan political process. i think that there is a lot of nervous t

here in the statement from nato, shouldn't be too surprising, because it does border wart of a nato state, so nato's involvement here, you could see that coming down the line. >> right. and that's why nato has to keep its eyes on a couple of things. russia and the islamic state where you are. all right. josh we'll stay in touch with you. >>> president obama joined david cameron in writing an op-ed place calling on nato to confront the growing threat in the middle east. mike it's like watching a tennis match between whether nato is talk about ukraine or the islamic state group. they were fairly focused on both today. but with respect to the islamic state group, i'm sure iraq is going to want their involvement. >> first of all when you talk about that op-ed that was written jointly, we will not be cowed. obviously britain very concerned. the united states has some 100 american passport holders fighting for the terrorists against the assad regime, including several fighting now on behalf of the islamic state group. david cameron, britain more on the line of 500 and after the murder of the se

nato patrols in the black sea will continue, and all 28 nato nations agree to contribute to all of these measures for as long as necessary. third, to ensure that nato remains prepared for any contingency, we agree it a new readiness action plan. the defense will update its defense plan, and we will create a highly rapid response force that can be deployed on very short notice. we will increase nato's presence in central and eastern europe with training and exercises and troop rotations, and the $1 billion initiative that i announced in warsaw will be a strong and ongoing u.s. contribution to this plan. fourth, all 28 nato nations have pledged to increase their investments in defense, and move toward investing 2% of their gdp and our collective security. these resources will help nato invest in capabilities, intelligence, reconnaissance and missile defense. and this commitment makes clear that nato last name be complaisant. our lives will reverse the decline in defense spending and rise to meet the challenge that's we face in the 21st century. firth, our alliance is fully united in ukrain

so this goes actually beyond nato. secondly, we haven't received any requests for a nato involvement. however, at the wales summit we decided three strands of activities that could be relevant for nato, and strands that are relevant for nato. firstly, we declared that if we receive a request from the new iraqi government, we stand ready to consider defense capacity building which, for instance, could be to resume or training activities in iraq. we had a training mission in iraq until 2011. we could resume those activities if the iraqi government requests so. secondly, nato can contribute to coordinating individual allies' efforts in iraq. and, thirdly, as i mentioned, we will strengthen intelligence cooperation to counter the threat of foreign fighters returning to our countries. >> just to push you on point two which is this coordinated effect. the one thing nato brings to the table that many other organizations can't is this command and control capability with multiple allies. is that something that potential down th

here in the statement from nato, shouldn't be too surprising, because it does border wart of a nato state, so nato's involvement here, you could see that coming down the line. >> right. and that's why nato has to keep its eyes on a couple of things. russia and the islamic state where you are. all right. josh we'll stay in touch with you. >>> president obama joined david cameron in writing an op-ed place calling on nato to confront the growing threat in the middle east. mike it's like watching a tennis match between whether nato is talk about ukraine or the islamic state group. they were fairly focused on both today. but with respect to the islamic state group, i'm sure iraq is going to want their involvement. >> first of all when you talk about that op-ed that was written jointly, we will not be cowed. obviously britain very concerned. the united states has some 100 american passport holders fighting for the terrorists against the assad regime, including several fighting now group. david cameron, britain more on the line of 500 and after the murder of the second journal list, a foreboding

nato obviously has problems, but as they say this meeting of nato may have been the most important since the fall of the cold war. the president references article 5, an attack against a member of nato is considered a attack against them all. and now they are also looking at threats to non-member states. >> and the president said they have this rapid reaction force. the president said he also got nato members to agree to ratchet up their defense spending as a percentage of gdp above 2%. what is the significance of that? >> i have a chart from "the guardian." the united states spends on defense, some 3 -- $400 billion a year, compared to the united kingdom, spending of about $70 billion a year. clearly, the u.s. is far outpacing other members of nato, and there are only four that reach that 2% mark. four out of 28 nations. so the call is for a of them to spend more on defense so they can be more robust in their response to all of the threats. >> and as far as now nato and the european union and the united states react to the ceasefire that is now in place between ukraraine and russia, i w

we have been dealing with our nato and non-nato partners for many years and i think the nato conference is going to pull together actions not on the part of the military. the military can do the deployment. i've seen that. in fact, there's an exercise going on right now with 16 nato and non-nato members, but he wants the politicians to realize they got to pull it together. >> general hurtling, stand by as well. i want to bring in gordan chang. he's an expert on nuclear proliferation. he wrote an article for "the daily beast" on vladimir putin, go ahead and explain what you mean as far as a nuclear threat issued by the russians. >> on friday, vladimir putin talked about russia being a strong nuclear power and he used the term nuclear deterrence, he also talked about ukraine about a term that really means new russia. what he's saying is he is prepared to use his most destructive weapons. putin talk about unveiling a new offensive nuclear weapon. so on friday what putin did he took nuclear weapons have been considered to be defensive in nature and he made them part of the appliances of agg

not just nato countries but people that are associated with nato, want to be in nato like the ukrainian president who is coming as a guest speaker today. we have some 60 world leaders coming, six battleships parked off the coast of south wales as meals of force, 15,000 expected to be served over the next couple of days. and even though the french don't get to sell their weapons to the russians, there is an arms display of sorts. right behind me at the celtic manor resort on the 18th hole. .hat is an f-35 that is a lockheed martin aircraft. there is a couple more down here on the right. they are sprinkled throughout this complex. there was a rumor going around that if they wanted, maybe they would invite president putin for a round of golf and if he made it to the 18-hole, they could unleash the f-35 on him. it is on the fairway here. quite unusual to see a fighter jet. it is a big bonanza. just like it is a big affair in the field. this is an organization that has to validate itself. it had a clear purpose during the cold war. perhaps it is getting that purpose back. anetheless, they tr

nato. we don't have an obligation to defend it. we're not going to war against russia. what else can we do? it's there for russia to take anyway. >> but we made a commitment over the last 25 years since the fall of soviet union with ukraine, sign aed a treaty that we are going to not gairnl tee fully but going to secure ukraine's independen independence. >> russia was part of that. >> right. >> they repudiated it lock, stock and barrel. >> ukraine has been a de facto ally of the u.s. for much of its independent history. it deserves the support. >> what are the consequences, dan, of abandoning ukraine as matt talk bz? stra teetegic strategically. >> i think the biggest consequence is it will tell putin he doesn't have to stop at ukraine. i mean, the president of the united states was in estonia earlier this week giving them his unqualified support. >> he said an attack on talon is an attack on london, new york. >> there was no daylight in what he said. having said that, i doubt that that's r

as regard to nato, we haven't received any requests for nato engagement. i'm sewer that if the iraqi government were to forward a request for nato assistance, that would be considered seri s seriously by nato allies. in that respect, let me remind you that nato has assisted iraq in the past. we had a training mission in iraq in 2011. if the iraqi government were to request resumption of such training activities, i am sure nato allies would consider such a request seriously. >> inspector general, how much more time can you give afghanistan right now? >> well, no reason to -- that time is of the essence. we need to know very soon whether the necessary security arrangements will be signed by the afghan government because it is a prerequisite for our continued presence in afghanistan beyond 2014 that we have a nato state of supporters agreement in place and that would also imply a signature on the bilateral security agreement between the united states and afghanistan. i am encouraged by the fact that both presidential candidates have declared that they are rea

nato hasn't facing the this level of world disorder in decades. >> our nato summit here in wales will be one of the most important summits in the history of our lives. a crucial summit at a crucial time. we are faced with a dramatically changed security environment. >> u.s. president, barack obama, spent the morning with british prime minister, david cameron. both will be working hard on the sidelines to build a coalition and estrange. >> russian troops are illegally in ukraine. the extremist threat has risen in a new form in iraq and syria, these are just two of the threats that we face. nato is the anchor of our security. and over the next two days, we must reinvigorate and refocus this alliance to foste face new threats around the world. >> outside, the anti-war protesters gathered, the message here that war begets war, and the only way out of conflict is dialogue. >> i think that people believe that nato should have solved it at the end of the cold war, and a lot of people in nato seem to be delighted with what's happening between russia and ukraine, and the chance to build up the

if nato allies want to fight i.s., they will need to build a coalition. saudi arabia and iran both see i.s. as a threat, but they back opposing sides in the syrtian war. the saudis support sunni rebels, some of which now support those who call themselves the islamic state. iran supports assad. >> we see the rise of terrorism in our region that goes beyond a single state, and requires us to work together and seek common solutions for these common challenges. >> many i.s. fighters travel to turkey to get to syria and ir aq. from turkey, you can see i.s. flags flying in a town they control just over the border. the turkish president celebrated a national holiday over the weekend before he left for the nato summit. his allies might be pressing him to tighten up the turkish border. the conflict with i.s. is tearing apart the are ready ragged state of iraq. kurdish peshmerga fighters is seen as a vital force against i.s. so far they have had more promises of weapons from abroad than deliveries. the kurds say they need much more, much faster. >> we need heavy an

the civil war with nato, after afghanistan. but there's really only one question that leads to the summit. can nato act meaningfully to deter the further russian aggression in eastern europe? i spoke to the former minister of estonia. >> as one of the former leaders of russia, do you feel that you're secured? >> yes, because of the defense principles there, everyone knows it, and practically steps should increase the psychological. >> there's no further reason to fear further aggression by russia? >> no. but anyway, the new nato will emerge, better funded and more able to respond to turbulent times. aljazeera, new port, wales. >> let's get more on this at the nato summit in wales, and james, this is possibly the most significant thing in terms of the alliance's development. the rapid reaction force. talk us through its mandate and how it's going to work, and it's significant. >> well, the mandate is very much collective defense of the allies. and we kept hearing this word, allies, as we always do when it comes to nato and the s

>> well, certainly as a nato ally, if not the leader of the nato allies, the u.s. would take part in this. they have already scrambled some forces to work with other nato countries in terms of training and preparing for any possible military action, and they would, of course, provide weapons, lo air support but nobody is talking seriously about america going to war with russia over ukraine. there's no scenario that has russia storming across ukraine and crossing the borders to go after nato allies at this point. and let's pay attention to what the president said. he said there is no military solution to this current crisis. and jane harman herself echoed that when she said that the nato response has to be strong. there has to be a strong but careful push back on russia. so this is a very delicate dance that nato and russia and ukraine have to do at this point. and as one three-star general pointing his finger at me said, we are not going to war with russia, peter. >> all right, mik, thank you very much. we like this administration juggling a serious of issues right

clearly the question has changed from why nato to more nato. it has become clear to everybody why we still need nato. now, we are faced with completely new security situations in the east because of russia's legal military actions. you see a crisis to the east and southeast even from cyberspace. for all of these reasons we need a strong collective defense. this is the reason why we need to invest more in securities and defense. during the last five years the russians have increased their defense spending by 50% while nato allies have decreased defense spending by 20%. that is not sustainable. >> what would be for nato and acceptable russian influence? >> i would not accept it. >> there is nothing. even though they have a long history. >> why couldn't russia and the ukraine live side-by-side in peace and harmony, and let the ukrainians decide what is the future of their country. it is not for the russians. it is not for us. it is for the ukrainians to decide. we should respect that. but if they want to be a member of nato? >> then we will deal w

nato needs to be stronger. britain is one of only four countries that currently spends 2% of its gdp on defense. but others will now do more. with today's wales pledge every nato member not spending 2% will halt any decline in defense spending. they will aim to move toward 2% within a decade. it's not just the amount of money that matters. it is spending on equipment that you can actually deploy. we have agreed a 5th of defense budgets should be dedicated to major new equipment. we have the second largest defense budget in nato, the biggest in the whole penal union. we have taken long-term, off difficult decisions, to put our defense budget on a sustainable footing. the fruits are coming through. we are equipping all three of our services with the best and mode modern hardware money can by. on wednesdays, i aannouncements add 3 and a half billion pound contract for the scout armored vehicles for the army, the largest such order in over three decades. the royal air force is getting new fleets of joint strike fig

nato expanded because the countries next to russia wanted it to expand. nato didn't swallow anyone. but i think you're absolutely right, natalie, that mr. putin has started the process of the isolation of russia and this is a tragic turning point for the russian people after 25 years of trying to integrate russia in the west financially, economically, diplomatically, politically, and every way. and now we see russia turning away from that. and the prize in terms of the land grabs in ukraine is very popular inside russia in the short term, but in the long term this is very bad for russia. the infrastructure is crumbling. public services are bad. the economy's stagnating. and i think under putin russia really isn't going anywhere. it's just a series of these bombastic stunts and military adventures but no real progress. >> that's a very astute analysis from you. and it's interesting that his popularity remains above 80% even despite that. how long that will last anyone knows. but thank you so much, edward lucas, senior editor for "the economist." we appreciate your time. we also want

secretary general of nato. the north atlantic treaty organization to give it full name. it was created 65 years ago after the second world war. the secretary general described it's purpose to keep the russ n russians out and americans in. now extending to countries in in the north atlantic, some questioning nato's purpose and role in global security. well, with me now is molly scott from the uk's green party. she's an mep and antinato. she represents thing south west of england. thanks very much for speaking to us. why do you think the uk should withdraw from nato? >> starting than being antinato, i'm actually pro peace. we're looking for an organization to help us develop peace in the world. as you pointed out, nato was set up after the war. it was essentially a hostile organization. in response, the eastern block set up the pack that took us to a long period of cold war. i lived through that period. it was extremely frightening. i don't want to see us going back there. >> do you think there's no purpose nato

they are members of nato. ukraine is not. >> moscow made moves towards a cease-fire agreement ahead of the wales summit. the ukrainian president will be greeting his nato allies on the proposals on thursdays. >> france has stepped up pressure on russia. it is suspending for delivery of the first of two helicopter warships to russia. it is putting the brakes on the over one billion euro deal. it was a tough call for the french president who is trying to get the french economy back on track. for many world leaders, the suspension comes a bit late in the game. >> that is one ship that has not sailed. france suspended delivery of the worship to russia. president hollande said there were serious security concerns about moscow's actions in neighboring ukraine. >> the president of root -- the republic declared that in october. since the beginning of september, russian sailors have been training on it. nicolas sarkozy signed a 1.2 billion euro deal to provide to warships. a statement made no mention of the second ship

what can nato offer putin to get to nato and enforce the cease-fire? >> slily, backing down from what the sanctions look like. those sanctions are difficult indeed for russia. they've had a material impact on its economy that senses the withdrawing of sanctions is the chief instrument. >> larry hathaway, appreciate your time today. i want to show you u.s. futures. we're expecting a slightly higher open. hopes for a cease-fire are out there even though there are reports that it happened have been retracted. >> indeed and that is coming on the back of a strong day in european markets. that's it for today's show. i'm wilfred frost. >> and i'm kathin roth. see you same time, same place tomorrow. >> good-bye. >>> good morning. welcome to "squawk box." deal or to deal? a cease-fire in ukraine have the global markets ajolt. >>> home depot investigating a suspected security breach that could have put consumer credit and debit card debt of millions of consumers at risk. >>> and apple says that the icloud was not hacked. the company now shifting the blame for th

most nato nations aren't spending enough on defense. >> nato has a target of 2% of gross domestic product defense spending with a few good exceptions, almost no nato ally compiles with that admission. >> reporter: the solution, get real, respond to putin's aggression. >> a capacity is there. it's a matter of regearing and doing these rotation l deployments in the east. >> reporter: this and more among the headlines expected at the nato summit in wales this week. a mental as well as physical recalibration, money will also be up for discussion, a push for increased defense spending and what the money should be spend on. >> more important than the amount spent is where it's spent. not that it's been spent on new equipment, modernized capabilities, surveillance, presession, aircraft defenses. >> we'll have to exercise more frequently and bring forces on the ground in poland and the region to show vladimir putin nato means serious business. >> reporter: reality is even where the mind and money reset. experts agree wrestling all of ukraine back from putin's grip is a very long shot. nick robert

. , but we stay in nato will not extend nato to the territory of east germany. well, it turned out that legally, you could not do it that way. so in the final agreement, it was that all of germany would stay in nato, but the territory of used germany would be special and there would be no foreign troops and no nuclear weapons. later -- at that time, the warsaw pact was still in place. the statements made were very general. at one point, secretary baker told glover talk, nato jurisdiction would not move one inch to the east. mind,he had the gdr in but that is not what he said specifically. if i have been asked when i was ambassador of the united states in moscow in 1991, is there an understanding of nato won't move to the east, i would've said, yes, there is. however, it was not a legal commitment. and one could say, once the soviet union collapsed, any agreement then maybe didn't hold, except when you think about it, if there was no reason to expand nato when the soviet union existed, there is even less reason when the soviet union collapsed and were talking abo

>> we are bright lining nato saying we will defend nato countries, period. because we say that so often, that tells putin hey, every thing else is fair game. >> from david brooks in the "new york times," really emotionally looking back 50 years, the bad -- the good guys looked tired. we will see if there is a leader who will step outside the crush of events and explain how fundamental the threat to the rules of civilization now is. we did this 50 years, 60 years ago. leadership and diplomacy. why are we so tentative now? toi believe that obama wants refocus on domestic policy issues, and he is doing that. but you don't need to just focus -- you have to also use your mind. we have the strength to stop putin. militaryto russia spending ratio, and this is key, is 11 to one. we have way more power, way more military technology than russia does, but we are not using it. we need to use it, we need to be willing to use it, we need to be willing to take that risk, and he is going to back down. it is like a game of chicken. if you have got a mac truck and on the othe

by nato nations. the u.k. prime minister, is saying enough is enough, this is just encouraging further hostage taking and he is urging his fellow leaders to stop paying. it's membership has grown, and challenges have changes. randall pinkston has more on the past and it's future the fall of the berlin wall, marked the beginning of a new role for nato. the north atlantic treaty organization. initially, the u.s., canada, and western europe formed nato to counter the threat from the soviet union, and it's communist block nationed. this was the political landscape at the end of the cold war. nato nations in blue, the soviet union and it's allies in red. but today the alliances are vastly different. it now include many that were former allies including poland and the baltic republics. but some of the old conflicts the threat to the you drain and new crisis from afghanistan to the islamic state pose new challenges for the old alliance. and wales -- >> with one of the most -- beyond the defense for it's members. >> i

reports are they want a force of 4,000, nato troops. 4,000 nato troops. and these nato leaders' putin to think they are serious about stoping him? putin has been quoted his military will require two weeks to concur capital of kiev, and we'll find out if nato is anything more subsha substantiaa dinner society, we're coming right back. >> midterm elect campaigns in over drive as president plays political games with immigration, fox news analyst juan williams. on whether an executive action by this president on immigration would be a disaster for dems in the midterms next. dad, i know i haven't said this often enough, but thank you. thank you mom for protecting my future. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance could be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. whenwork with equity experts who work with regional experts who work with portfolio management

ukraine have stood by nato, now in these difficult times nato stands i ukraine. our support is concrete and tangent. we have established a comprehensive and tailored practice of messages to ukraine can better provide for its own security. we will focus on cyber defense, logistics, and command control and communications. we will also help with rehabilitation for troops in the country. we will provide advice to help ukraine with defense reforms. and allies will assist ukraine with around 15 million euro through nato, and in addition to that we have heard several announcements of bilateral assistance, financially and in other ways. and independent, sovereign and stable ukraine firmly committed to democracy and the rule of law is key to euro atlantic security. that is nato's goal, and i know that that is your goal, to. >> thank you very much indeed. secretary-general, your excellencies, ladies and gentlemen, i'm really glad to let you know that we have opened a very substantial discussion in a summit today. i never feel such a strong, enormous support, but all the le

he's going to nato, going to be talking to the nato leaders. if it worked for europe and hopefully it will work now to stem the russian advances in ukraine, if nato is effective we need to look at a nato format for the middle east for the egyptians, for the turks, saudis, jordanians for our allies. this precludes us having to put boots on the ground. the kurds should be part of that. the kurds are very effective in their fighting ability and what they're doing. the president has elements of it here. it's not all bad. he's not focused it properly and to be effective he has to have a strategy and it's not just about isis. it's about all of radical islam. right now libya has problems. we're going to talk about it this morning. didn't have time to get to it. the missing aircraft in libya. there's huge issues that go beyond isis and until the president recognizes he needs a regional strategy that includes all of radical islam, that includes our allies we don't have a strategy. >> what do we know about those? there were 11 missing commercial jetliner

ukrainian government's approved a bill to cancel the country's nonaligned states is asking nato to take it in. and russian journalist on the stand in has been confirmed killed a month after going missing in eastern ukraine. and other working watching the national coming to you live from moscow now our breaking news this. ukrainian president petro poroshenko has backtracked on his initial announcement of a full ceasefire in the country's east his website now says he's only greed to discuss steps towards a truce the ukrainian leader had area announced on twitter that a permanent truce in the region was imminent let's go live now to our tease paula slayer in the east ukraine for say paula some confusion then coming from kiev do you think we can actually expect some sort of pace. well the situation on the ground certainly is chaotic in that initial statement that came from kids the wording was for a permanent cease fire the word permanent has now been dropped and the phrase is a ceasefire regime now this is difficult to interpret and people here on the ground certainly are not clear about w

isn't that strange coming from nato? >> well, first of all, let me agree with the right honorable gentlemen. nato is a defensive alliance and that is, i think, the heart of its success. of course, it has to think now more about the threats that come from outside europe in terms of terrorism, cyber attacks and the rest which may require more activism. on his remarks on boots on the ground, look, of course in order to, as i put it, squeeze isil out of existence, there will have to be boots on the ground, but those boots should be iraqi boots. it is their country, and they should be leading this process. the question for us is what can we do to help rather than put our own b in there? >> mr. kris pin blunt. chris pin blunt. >> from the formation of an international strategy to destroy the islamic state of any of russia, turkey, saudi arabia and iran will probably fatally compromise such a strategy. what efforts are being made to include them? >> well, i think my honorable friend makes a good point and, of course, the turkis

forces from nato members will work with the ukrainian military. defense department spokesperson steve warren says the exercise will run from september 15th to the 26th. he said it will focus on countering bombs and surveillance activity and involve live fire drills. warren had earlier said u.s. and ukrainian naval vessels will take part in separate maritime exercises next week in the black sea. state department spokesperson jen psaki says the war games are preplanned and are not being held in response to current events. >>> the united states is seeking a u.n. security council resolution that calls for action against foreign fighters traveling to join terrorist groups. >> we will encourage international cooperation to prevent foreign terrorist fighter travel and underscore the centrality of countering violent extremism through positive narratives and programs that give would-be fighters alternatives to violence. >> u.s. ambassador to the united nations samantha power said that on september 25th, president barack obama will convene a security counci

can nato do the job? >> it is a form offer deputy assistant secretary of defense and author of nuclear>ñ nightmares, secowering the world before it is too late. >> can nato do the job? >> nato is a political and military force without peer. the key is getting it united and that's what the president obama is doing oaf the last few weeks and you will see it come together in the nato summit and a series of decisions. >> peter,y wee get you to weigh in. >> i am concerned. i don't think the president has undertaken the international leadership that we expect from an american president. the united states is the biggest power within nato and basically the defactor leader of nato which is a military and political organization and disappointed with the president with the regard of isis and china and russia. hopefully we'll have significant actions to make up the deterrence action we have sewn with russia and a common threat we are finding in the middle east. >> one of the centerpieces is the 4,0005m strong rapid

and could it be against a nato member state? let's ask "wall street journal" columnist and deputy editor dan henninger, foreign affairs columnist bret stephens and editorial board member matt kaminski. so, matt, looking at where we stand right now, does it look to you as if nato, the u.s. and europe, have essentially written off ukraine? >> well, that's been the story for the last six months. the u.s. and the eu did not react forcefully to the taking of crimea in march, and vladimir putin saw a green light to move forward. he has moved forward. every step we've been late in imposing hard sanctions. we've always tried to give russia a way out, which putin's taken as ammunition to move forward. but most larimportantly, we've abandoned ukraine by not helping it defend itself. it's been a friend of nato for years, in the circuit of afghanistan and iraq. they deserve arms and haven't gotten them. >> what about those who say, look, ukraine has historically always been part of russia's sphere of influence, it's not part of nato. we rea