it would have been almost impossible for bob gates not to be high-profile. not to mention the raid on osama bin laden. >> leon panetta has written a book which i assume you have read about his own life, his relationship with the obama team, and about how he felt at his tenure at secretary of defense. other similarities between what he said and what chuck hagel experienced? >> micromanagement. micromanagement. micromanagement. [laughter] that is everybody's complaint about the white house. i heard one military officer referred to it as nano management. the white house plays very tight, and is all over your case on even the slightest matters. sometimes arranges things without telling the secretary of defense. i think that was true for every secretary of defense under president obama. that is the way the crowd roles. i do not see that as a cause for resignation. that is one of the things you have to live with if you're going to be secretary of defense in the obama administration. >> i talked to you before i did an interview with chuck hagel. about the policy is

it would have been almost impossible for bob gates not to be high-profile. not to mention the raid on osama bin laden. >> leon panetta has written a book which i assume you have read about his own life, his relationship with the obama team, and about how he felt at his tenure at secretary of defense. on the secretary -- other similarities between what he said and what chuck hagel experienced? >> micromanagement. [laughter] that is everybody's complaint about the white house. i heard one military officer referred to .t as nano management the white house plays very tight , and is all over your case on even the slightest matters. sometimes arranges things without telling the secretary of defense. for everyat was true secretary of defense under president obama. that is the way the crowd roles. i do not see that as a cause for resignation. you is one of the things have to live with if you're going to be secretary of defense in the obama administration. >> i talked to you before i did an interview with chuck hagel. about the policy issues, and other matters. not b

so you look at bob gates. he came in for the iraq surge. iraq surge works at least in the short term. and so he was viewed as a successful secretary of defense. chuck hagel came in in time for this major strategic reverse when iraq came apart and isis ran across half of iraq. almost none of that can you blame on chuck hagel. but it happened on his watch. >> rose: and therefore the last question is, who is likely to replace or succeed chuck hagel? >> well, the name on everybody's list is michelle fornoway who was the undersecretary of defense for policy which is the number three job in the building earlier in the obama administration. she's highly regarded by everyone. she has a family. and children. and so she-- she left and to take a job that was-- had a little more reasonable time demands. and so now she is on everybody's list. she would be the first woman to be secretary of defense. but look, you're talking about somebody who has a life in the civilian world and you're asking them to give that up for the final two years of the administra

part of the process in the white house and i remember bob gates being concerned about it. he wrote about in the book, which was when you are in the national old and your secretary of defense, you feel like you want to be able to have the president here what you have to say. i think there was a sense that the staff in the white house sometime got to the president or his entry to that the president in a certain direction and one of the defense department to go along with that position. i think that is what offended bob gates because he is somebody who believes in the process of policymaking. >> de jure similar experience quite >> yes, some of the same experiences in dealing with the staff and for that matter and mr. secretary did as well. so that is frustrating. >> lipstick on this for a second. what did you experience the disappointed or frustrated you in regard to staff quite >> it is the process of having your policy people develop a strategy, develop the elements of that strategy as to what you think should be presented. as you are about to present it, having white house

first meeting at the pentagon president said to then secretary of state bob gates, i think of myself as parallel parking. in other words i'm coming in there, two wars going on, host of hold over policies from the previous administration, i just want the fit myself in between what is going on. now you've had three secretarys of defense all leave saying they felt micro managed like the white house was controlling everything. new person who comes in as to figure out whether they're go to have autonomy or seen just as puppet of the president. >> o'donnell: michael, is this sort of bellyaching by people who don't like the process that goes on or is the process really dysfunctional? >> well, as i think some of both. what you see is gradual centralization of foreign policy not just national security military, but foreign policy in this white house. to degree that people say is unprecedented where few people in the white house, national school and advisor susan rice and white house chief of staff who has foreign policy background really have their hands on the controls here in way that drive

. >> you seceded bob gates -- suceeded bob gates, was a reputation of writing the military hard. -- riding the military hard. one criticism that i have heard is that you are not being a harsh enough with the military to bring about your changes. >> i do not think that leadership is about riding people hard. that works for some but it does not work for me and i will not do it. you need cooperation and facilitation of other leaders. now, you are the boss, and you have to be direct and clear. but you will listen, charlie. these men and women have spent their entire careers in this business. i respect him for the and listen carefully? -- do i respect them for that and listen carefully? you bet. >> thank you. ♪ >> live from. three in san francisco, welcome to "bloomberg west," where we cover technology, innovation, and the future of business. i'm emily chang. why did president obama choose facebook to announce he will be issuing an executive order on immigration? fox news wendell goal or asked that question to the white house -- wendell goler asked that question to the white house press secre

--you seceded bob gates ded bob gates, was a reputation of writing the military hard. ding the military hard. one criticism that i have heard is that you are not being a harsh enough with the military to bring about your changes. >> i do not think that leadership is about riding people hard. that works for some but it does not work for me and i will not do it. you need cooperation and facilitation of other leaders. now, you are the boss, and you have to be direct and clear. but you will listen, charlie. these men and women have spent their entire careers in this business. i respect him for the and listen carefully? -- do i respect them for that and listen carefully? you bet. >> thank you. ♪ >> good evening. i am mark halperin. welcome to a speech by president obama, addressing the nation on some major controversial and unilateral actions he expects to take in the coming days. after a long delay, the president plans by executive action to allow 5 million people now in the country to obtain status and hold jobs. the president will talk about increases in border securit

. >> bob gates will tell you that. he was in a meeting and he is not only asking him -- bush would probably stop at bob gates and his deputy. he said, president obama will go to the person in the third row, for throw, and say, what do you think? maybe is the professorial experience. >> that maybe one of it. one of the page up to understand to understand barack obama is he was raised by an anthropologist. he is a keen observer in that standoffish way sometimes. is not, whenogists you are observing a society, you are not supposed to get involved sometimes. i think that -- people need to understand about that. i think it is what makes him understand political constituency so well, but sometimes look like he is being condescending when he talks to them. >> is very comfortable being alone, natural beauty which is the opposite of successful politicians in a modern era, think bill clinton, who seem to crave public affection. this is both an asset and liability in washington. being the son of an anthropologist give him and dis

incoming senator saying he hopes it is more than the mold of bob gates. he also praised chuck hagel despite some positive differences along the way. jon: we will let you get to it. heather: that is going to be a very good show tonight. more on the departure of chuck hagel coming up next, and we will talk with retired navy captain to get his take on this, plus media coverage of the grand jury looking at the shooting death of michael brown. and why new york city mayor rudy giuliani is being called out for some of his comments that he made. we will bring that to you next. heather: a fox news alert now, president obama moments ago announcing the departure of defense secretary chuck hagel. captain nash is a former u.s. navy captain. he's here to talk with us about the implications of that. captain nash, this came as a bit of a surprise to some watching this this morning. i want to get your reaction to the president's news. >> the ripples have been in the pond for a couple of months now. goes all the way back to some articles where secretary hagel sent a memo o

. >> bob gates will tell you that. he was in a meeting and he is not only asking him -- bush would probably stop at bob gates and his deputy. he said, president obama will go to the person in the third row, for throw, and say, what do you think? maybe is the professorial experience. >> that maybe one of it. one of the page up to understand to understand barack obama is he was raised by an anthropologist. he is a keen observer in that standoffish way sometimes. and anthropologists is not, when you are observing a society, you are not supposed to get involved sometimes. i think that -- people need to understand about that. i think it is what makes him understand political constituency so well, but sometimes look like he is being condescending when he talks to them. >> is very comfortable being alone, natural beauty which is the opposite of successful politicians in a modern era, think bill clinton, who seem to crave public affection. this is both an asset and liability in washington. being the son of an anthropologist gi

his two previous secretaries of defense, bob gates and leon panetta, we are hearing more about former undersecretaries that could possibly get through a very hostile republican-controlled senate. but it doesn't look like anyone who he nominates is going to try to change the strategy against i.s.i.l. most analysts say it's not the case. >> patty culhane, thank you. >>> let's go over to iraq now where kurdish forces are make gains against the islamic state of iraq and the levant. the peshmerga has gained ground. imran khan has the story. >> kurdish forces celebrate the taking of jalalla city. i.s.i.l. fighters have been forced from the area. >> units were formed to liberate jalalla. >> iraqi jet fighters led the first wave of attacks in the early morning of sunday, then ground troops swept in checking the area for hidden explosives. >> we won a huge victory with the support of the iraqi army and badr forces. now jalalla and sadiha are under complete control. >> others are foreign to solomonea. , dyalla province has seen clashes since june. when i.s.i.l. took over. it's already been held

it's no reflection on bob gates or leon panetta. they have their own issues but every one of those things that you talked about are initiatives that i started. the nuclear reviews. what we're doing. you go across the border, there are about 15 of these areas that i have started that we're implementing here. i couldn't do those alone. and cooperation with our leaders is critical. >> rose: the most extraordinary thing is to hear the possibility of technological innovation and you hear considerations of quantum physics and a whole range of new technology that has not even made their impact. are you convinced you have the confidence of the president? >> well, i don't think i would be here if i didn't. but you'd have to ask him that. i mean, i see him all the time. i would think so. yes. >> rose: what would you like your legacy to be? >> i'm not thinking about that. and i don't worry about it. i actually have done every job the best i could, as honestly as i could, as straightforwardly as i could and i'll left the rest sort it all out. >

so president bush brought in a new secretary of defense, bob gates, with a new policy. right now i don't know what the new policy is going to be because i'm not even sure what the current policy is under president obama so i think that's -- it's going to be interesting to see if he's going to bring someone in who is in the wing of the obama -- >> who should he bring in, congressman zmiking? who should he bring in? >> i think general mcchrystal would be a real act of statesmanship by the president. whatever differences there were between president obama and senator mcchrystal in 2010, the fact is general mcchrystal was probably the most effective on-the-ground commander we had in iraq and afghanistan and he does have confidence from the military and i think it would also show that the president is willing to step out. that he's not going to be bound by past grievances. >> and i want to touch on the nomination process because nobody thinks that's going to be easy. in your mind, will there be cooperation? representative king, are you still there? oh, i think i lost him. yo

writing this, quote: martha: those words from bob gates. now, the current defense secretary, chuck hagel, says he believes that the president's strategy on all of this is working. >> our anti-isis strategy is comprehensive. we'll start sequencing those new americans in here starting over the next few weeks. they are going, as you know, to provide the training and the assistance and the equipping of 12 iraqi security force brigades. martha: retired four-star general jack keane is the chairman of the institute for the study of war, and he's a fox news military analyst, of course, as well. good morning, jack, good to have you with us. >> good to be here, martha. martha: obviously, the former defense secretary has a little bit more liberty to speak his mind than the current defense secretary about what he thinks is going on, but who do you think is right? >> well, clearly, secretary gates is as well as secretary panetta who spoke out. these both served this president that have added their names to a growing list of leaders in this country who h

bob gates was a terrific secretary of defense and said if you get into a fight they can you get back out. so we concluded pulling down statues is not the objective. so we wrote our definition of victory and for them to turn their attention inward two-seat legitimacy with only from consent of the government to address the hopes and dreams of their own people. that is exactly the way it turned out. and did reagan's mind understood the feelings of the system and was a political chess player while he was connected with the soviet leader who had no choice but to seek the consent of the of government. his ability to connect with anyone anywhere to understand "the reagan enigma". thank-you. [applause] your turn. [laughter] >> 25 minutes just like you said. we have a microphone. please give your name and affiliation. >> 84 being here. henhawk at the american foreign policy counsel you have written two books about the threat of nuclear terrorism. i was wondering if you could give us a brief update from where you ended off if we have made progress or lack of? >> in ways that is from the -- "th

. >> rose: bob gates will tell you that. bob gates will tell you he's in a meeting with him, and he's not only can-- asking him, bob. bush would pretty much stop and maybe his deputy. he said president obama will be in the third row, fourth row and say what do you think. and there with be a profess orial experience. >> one of the things you have to understand to understand barack obama. remember he was raised by an an though poll test. >> rose: his mother. >> that's righ right-- anthropologist. he is a keen observer. and in that standoffish way, sometimes. an anthropologist is to the-- when you are observing a society, you are not supposed to get involved in the society sometimes. are you supposed to be an observer. and i think that that still-- people need to under tan that about him. i think it's what makes him understand political constituency so well. but then sometimes look like he's being condescendinging to them when he talks about them. >> rose: he is very comfortable being alone, an attribute that actually is the op

one of the interviews was with bob gates, and this is not a man prone to be overly emotional. it's not a man who's a softie by any stretch. but i asked him about his own experience and what he had seen and what he'd done, and what he said to me was he felt by the time he left, he had post-traumatic stress of some sort because of visiting burn wards and going to cemeteries. he thought that it had changed him. he told me that he knew he had to leave the white house because whenever he was asked a question about any issue, strategy, all he thought of was the soldiers who would come back missing limbs, the soldiers who come back with burns, and he couldn't give advice to the president about anything at a higher level because all he thought was the human cost. and the phrase he uses is post-traumatic stress. >> uh-huh. and we'll take questions as we move along, right? we can do that at any moment, so why don't we just do that and go to the questions. i know folks here want to jump into this. i see your hand, match, go right ahead -- ma'am, go right ahead. >> my name is ann, and i j

but that means bringing back somebody like leon panetta or bob gates. i can't see either one of those guys deciding to take this job on. >> the two names that have been mentioned most frequently are michelle flournoy and ashton carter and well respected in the pentagon. it was mentioned of senator jack reid. knows everybody. these are difficult times. i can't envision anybody wanting to take it on with a lot of pressure coming from underneath. the military leaders wanting to have some strategy articulated to them and the white house trying to solve small tactical problems. >> colonel jack jacobs and ayman mohyeldin, thank you for being with me. >>> and that wraps up "the rundown" on msnbc. thank you for the privilege of your time. next on "newsnation" new details on the breaking news that secretary chuck hagel resigned. the president will be making a live statement in ten minutes. you can watch it here live on msnbc. see you tomorrow. >>> time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. wilson has owned milford photo for more than 20 years. a life

follows on the heels of leon panetta, bob gates. whether you have people like that voicing their frustrations in public. some currently serving. i think it gives you some sense of just how frustrated the uniform military is. because that's making its way up to those leaders. >> meanwhile, a.b., there was frustration also about the veterans healthcare situation that has obviously been going on for quite some time. take a listen. >> i have to propose an action, it then gets handled through an administrative process, and they, like a judge, administrative judge, either agrees or disagrees and so i have to make sure that we do thorough evidence gathering and research as we do the proposal because we want to make sure it sticks. >> why is secretary mcdonald playing bureaucratic defense when he could become immediately the champion of all veterans in america who look around and wonder why they wait months for an appointment, yet employees, who created cultures where they were covering up wait times get paid administrative leave. the catch

the best individual signaling of that was bob gates. i am extremely hopeful as we spend lots of time talking that we do what is required to defeat isis in iraq and that we learn from this and make different choices in afghanistan so we don't have to fight a third afghan war in my lifetime. >> let me invite your questions on that cheerful note, and i ask you what i call on you if you would stand and give your name. yes. >> yes. steve, yes. steve, you asked john about the battle for ideas. i am wondering, in terms of cultural lack of understanding of the american political establishment and specifically as an example the need to get a status of forces agreement for example in a iraq were publicly the predication was, we don't want one. it it is not domestically palatable for iraqis to say we want americans to stay. how does that play out in the future? >> the question is about the status of forces agreement, which is one of the sticking points. the americans insisted on a parliamentary agreement rather than just a signature from the prime

bob gates, the defense secretary, had been in the white house back in 1980 when jimmy cart ter's rescue mission to tehran had gone awry in the desert. so i have no doubt that images of that tragic moment flashed through his head. they're powerless at that point. they've sent these men to perform this mission. they've instructed them to fight their way out of the country if necessary. everyone in the situation was reassured but also surprised at how calmly colonel mcgrave dealt with the setback. because to him, it was the kind of thing that just happens. you expect the things are not going to go exactly as planned. all these men were hand-picked precisely because they're very good at making something good happen when something has gone bad. >> the men on the second helicopter that set down on the outside began screaming out and assaulted the compound. so basically the assault just proceeded but from different avenues. >> i remember putting my right foot down and saying sort of out loud "and freedom will be defended." then i'm looking at osama bin laden's house and i'm thinking, this is s

it's probably a 2-year job, it won't have a fixture like a bob gates over the next administration. given all that is going on, and how chuck hagel was let go, whoever takes the job has to be an obama insider. >> major challenges that will be faced is the conflict with i.s.i.l., ebola crisis, and whether to keep troops in afghanistan longer than expected. >> supreme court justice ruth bator is recovering from heart surgery. she was taken to hospital on tuesday. a blockage was discovered in her right artery. doctors implanted a stent to open the blockage, she's expected at work monday. at 81, she's the oldest member of the u.s. supreme court. >> o.p.e.c. ministers are gathering in vienna for what many are calling an important meeting. many of the major oil producers would like to see o.p.e.c. cut production to shore up oil prices which have fallen. roxana saberi has our report. >> it's the most closely watched meeting in years. one member is commanding the spotlight. >> o.p.e.c. is saudi arabia and the 11 dwarfs. the other 11 members cannot cut production in any significant way that

gates, leon panetta. you are going to be compliant. that's one of the reasons why they were selected in the first place. compliant and easily confirmed. it doesn't work out in this environment. >> mick, i just received an e-mail from senator udahl who is on the committee as well over the last year. we have seen the emergence and other security threats that required a response with little room for mistakes. he goes on to thank and praise chuck hagel. he was brought in to drawdown from afghanistan and iran to manage the budget. we have the confirmation that the combat mission in certain circumstances is extended in afghanistan and the so-called advisers are on the ground in iraq. this is a different scenario. >> it will be a challenging scenario and after all with the u.s. doubling the forces in iraq to take on isis as well as in syria. no troops there. the battle wages on with air strikes. now we are hearing that the drawdown in afghanistan, the forces will be drawn down. the mission in taking not only on

leon panetta, bob gates before that. what kind of a signal does that send to some of the bad actors, the putins or the president of the chinese? >> i think they mostly look at our capabilities more than anything else. they know the major thing that has happened in the last five or six years is the united states from a policy perspective has disengaged from the world. they know that. i don't think it matters to them who is the secretary of defense. they are taking advantage of decision the president has made, to change the united states as it pertains to the world and pull back from it. >> always appreciate your expertise. thank you. >>> a judge in egypt today dropping murder charges against former egyptian president mubarak all for what he says is the inadmissibility of a case due to a technicality. today's decision overturning his life sentence in connection with the dozens of deaths in the 2010 uprising against his rule. the former strong man also acquitted of corruption charges. demonstrators reacting strongly after t

gates and leon panetta, had written scathing book about the president's leadership after they left. listen to this exchange. >> that play into the divisions raided, in the concerns that secretary hagel was headed in that direction? >> i haven't seen any evidence of that. one of the hallmarks secretary hagels career is loyal to this country and inside in chief. >> republican senator john mccain who has been friendly at times with haigle and has clashed with him at hearings, said today that he had a meeting with hagel last week in his office and hagel was expressing deep frustration with white house officials micromanaging policy at the pentagon. >> all right the white house people are leaking, well, he wasn't up to the job. believe me, he was up to the job. it was the job that he was given where he really was never really brought into the real tight circle inside the white house that makes all the decisions, which has put us into the incredible debacle that we're in today throughout the world. >> now, the list of potential replacements include various obama insiders, ash carter who h

. >> hagel's two predecessors, the secretary of defense, leon panetta and bob gates have both in open in criticizing the white house for micromanaging, for having a very insular circle of advisers at the white house that don't let the secretary of defense in. is it possible that secretary hagel just experienced the same problem that those two did? >> the secretary has a close relationship with the president and he considers himself a real partner and team member on the national security team. he's present at all the meetings. he affects and influences all the decisions. he has a voice and that voice gets heard at the white house and the inner agency. this isn't about policy disagreements or disputes. it's not about who had what seat in the room. again, both the president and the secretary believe that this is simply the right time for him to go and it's the appropriate decision to make for the pentagon. >> rear admiral kirby, we always appreciate your coming on to answer our questions. >> thanks, jake. >>> coming up, live from missouri, issues of race and justice magnified in the comm

bob gates, the defense secretary, had been in the white house back in 1980 when jimmy carter's rescue mission to tehran had gone awry in the desert. i have no doubt the images of that tragic moment flashed in his head. they're powerless at that point. they sent these men to perform this mission. they've instructed them to fight their way out of the country if necessary. everyone in the situation was reassured but also how surprised how calmly admiral mccraven dealt with this setback. to him it was the kind of thing that just happens. you expect things are not going to go exactly as planned. and all these men were hand picked precisely because they're very good at making something good happen when something has gone bad. the men on the second had to set down on the outside, began streaming out and assaulted the compound. >> i remember putting my rifle down and saying sort of out loud, freedom will be defended. and then i'm looking at usama bin laden's house and thinking this is so cool. so the guys outside the compound had to blow open the gate in order to enter the compound. those in

bob gates the defense secretary, had been in the white house back in 1980 when jimmy carter's rescue mission to tehran had gone awry in the desert. i have no doubt the images of that tragic moment flashed in his head. they're powerless at that point. they sent these men to perform this mission. they've instructed them to fight their way out of the country if necessary. everyone in the situation was reassured but also how surprised how calmly admiral mccraven dealt with this setback. to him it was the kind of thing that just happens. you expect things are not going to go exactly as planned. and all these men were hand picked precisely because they're very good at making something good happen when something has gone bad. the men on the second had to set down on the outside began streaming out and assaulted the compound. >> i remember putting my rifle down and saying sort of out loud, freedom will be defended. and then i'm looking at usama bin laden's house and thinking this is so cool. so the guys outside the compound had to blow open the gate in order to enter the compound. those in t

bob gates and leon panetta and then now chuck hagel. although there is friction betweening ale and the white house inner staff, this should not diminish the very good service of chuck hagel. that's why i'm saddened. >> senator bill nelson. fascinating to get your take. i wish we had more time on this breaking news with all of this happening in ferguson. i hope we can continue this soon. >> certainly. >> and stay with us because we have got much more up ahead. your responses to our hash tag battle of the day on the timing of the prosecutor press conference. did you think it was the right or the wrong idea to hold that press conference at night? we'll be right back with that. when it comes to medicare, everyone talks about what happens when you turn sixty-five. but, really, it's what you do before that counts. see, medicare doesn't cover everything. only about eighty percent of part b medical costs. the rest is on you. [ male announcer ] consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. lik

bob gates, a reasonable man, said it drove him crazy. when leon panetta said concluding to the exclusion of other voices, just a limitation that the president is sort of surrounded by this clique of very hyper loyalists, but with very few other people, that the cabinet is excluded. i think it's a comment on a situation tha with the president that he is in a bubble and they're trying to run everything out of the white house and i think it's a problem that they had that gates complained of it, that panera complained of it and it didn't change under chuck hagel. the white house staffs starts sniping he wasn't up to the job, didn't have the substance and wasn't protkive -- proactive, whatever the hell that means. i suspect the president was being disingenuous. >> woodruff: david? each administration in the last 30 years concentrated more and more power on the white house. for a long time, most of the other cabinet secretary jobs have been neutered. but used to you had the big three, had authority. in this administration, they have been weake

bob gates, the defense secretary, had been in the white house back in 1980 when jimmy carter's rescue mission to tehran had gone awry in the desert. i have no doubt the images of that moment flashed through his head. they're powerless at that point. they sent these men to perform this mission. they've instructed them to fight their way out of the country as necessary. everyone in the situation room was reassured, but also surprised at how calmly admiral mcraven dealt with this setback. because to him it was the kind of thing that just happens. you're expecting things are not going to go exactly as planned. and all these men were hand picked precisely because they're very good at making something good happen when something has gone bad. >> the men on the second helicopter on the outside began screaming out and assaulted the compound. so basically the assault proceeded but from different avenues. >> i remember putting my right foot down and just saying sort of out loud, freedom will be defended. and i'm looking and i'm thinking this is so cool. >> so the guys outside had to blow open th

bob gates, on the one hand and leon panetta on the other. they have an enormous -- almost impassive immovable boouureaucr they have to manage. and the congress and all the subordinate generals. it takes a special person to do that. >> i agree to that. let's factor in the current events with isis and syria and iraq. air strikes continue right now, aym ayman. the logical question is how much it has to do with the battle against isis. >> i think the overall strategy toward isis is going to be under a lot of scrutiny, in particularly we saw some clear defenses between the pentagon and the white house. this going back earlier this summer with the rise of isis. president obama described them as a jv team. at the time secretary hagel indication's were he was describing them the largest threat that the u.s. faced there were some people at the white house that were not happy that secretary hagel came out with the characterization. more importantly, going forward since then the policy has been somewhat ambiguous. the president said they wanted to defe

bob gates, the former defense secretary, once famously said, don't want to buy that horse a second time. i think that's really been the guiding strategy of the obama administration in these past six years. the good news is they haven't bought another horse. the bad news is, they haven't made any progress. >> what are realistic goals we can anticipate coming out of this asia trip for the president? >> there are a few things. the most important thing on the president's agenda and one you pointed out as unpopular with his own party is this transpacific partnership. this very big trade deal with asia sitting out there. neither one has come to closure. the president was looking for a big foreign policy win. that would be it. getting gxi jinping to continue is high up on the president's list. getting him to rein in the cyberattacks is another. you may remember in june, three members of the unit 61398, the people's cyber army, indicted. they wanted to force them into a dialogue with this. so far, it's frozen. >> david sanger, thank you very much. >>> when we come back, remember the fall days?

he was ready immediately with bob gates as his nominee. there was no space there. and president obama's now set up a situation where the person he's pushed out is going to be in this office for some time while they try to find somebody new. and get them confirmed. that's not a position of strength when you're dealing with foreign leaders, dealing with countries that already have problems with the united states and its policies. >> what about ray mavis? former governor of mississippi, strong supporter of president obama? >> he'd be an interesting choice because he's been in the building since 2008. campaigned for the president since 2008. he's very close to the white house. he's not seen as an overly strong figure and don't seem like they want that. you're also hearing jay johnson, the current secretary of homeland security, also close to the president, served as the general council for the pentagon. on the other hand, tied to the executive order. but i think ash carter, potentially, but it's sort of a tough sell. i think you now look at this broader list. >> and yo

gates stepped down, and that is, jack reed, democratic senator from rhode island, a former armory guy -- army guy himself. he's on the armed services committee. ashton carter, never to in the department, deputy secretary of defense. he stepped down a couple of months ago. he was considered for the top job. and you have michele flournoy as well. she ran policy in the obama administration at the pentagon, undersecretary for policy. she has always been considered in particular for her smarts on dealing with the issues going forward. >> thank you so much, peter cook. we will gethat comments from the president at 11:00 a.m. in less than 90 minutes. stay here with bloomberg television for that. that does it for "in the loop" today. interview, the ceo says we are in a regulatory gnome and planned. what does the future hold for him? what does the -- to the conversation at 8:00 a.m. tomorrow -- don't miss the conversation with him at 8:00 a.m. tomorrow. ♪ >> it is 56 past the hour, which means limber television is on the markets. i'm matt miller. -- bloomberg television is on the markets. i'

we have seen hagel and hillary clinton and leon panetta and bob gates all really saying, you know, this political team is too powerful. they're not letting the other voices get to the president so that we can have some sort of -- >> well, to your point, none of the folks really paint a rosy picture of working inside the administration and now we have john kerry, obviously a lot of criticism and to your point, so what does the president do? he has the option of continuing along the course now. is there a chance he goes outside of the box and picks somebody who has enough standing to take on the political team as you said, or does he stay inside the box and what are the pit falls if you will of doing that? >> you know, actually, i don't think it matters. unless he changes the inside political team which is really too insular and keeping out the debate. i mean, what the theme of all of these outsiders -- by the way, were people who very much supported barack obama, these people are saying, we can't get to him to offer differing advice. he doesn't want to hear differing advice or he's hirin

he succeeded leon panetta who succeeded bob gates. some thought he would have a challenge. widespread reporting that president obama asked chuck hagel to go and this is not a voluntary departure. speculation about what kind of secretary of defense will be brought in for the final two years of the administration. a former republican senator. some tension between his former colleagues, john mccain has put out a statement talking about his personal feelings for chuck hagel. there was a lot of criticism and from capitol hill the white house. let's go to the white house and listen to president obama. >> about a year ago, the secretary of defense chuck hagel was visiting our troops in the republic of korea. thanking them for their service and answering questions. they asked about the usual topics. about our national security, the future of our military. one soldier, a sergeant from ohio, asked him what was the most pertinent question of the day. what was your favorite college football team? i do not have a choice, i am a cornhuskers fan. there was a time when an enlisted soldier

gates. i'm extremely hopeful as we spend lots of time talking about iraq we do what is required to defeat and said that we do not have to fight the afghan war in my lifetime. >> let me invite your questions on that note and i will ask you when i call on you if you would stand and say your name so we can get to know each other a little bit i'm going to start in the back i see a hand they are. i don't see the body attached to it. >> you have the battle of the ideas and i'm wondering in terms of the cultural lack of understanding of the political establishment as an example of the need to get the status of forces agreement in iraq where publicly it was we don't want one, it's not domestically palatable for the iraqis to say they want americans to stay. however those in the know wants one count is that dynamic play out in the future in iraq and in afghanistan? >> the question is about the status of forces agreement which is one of the sticking points in the negotiations about withdrawing troops

the second republican obama placed in the post putting bob gates was much more high profile writing a memoir critical of mr. obama. undersecretary of defense, whose name was floated before he got the nod is being mentioned again as the first female defense secretary. hagel was the first and the cement the defense secretary, decorated vietnam veteran. he and the president has been discuss the departure for weeks. assisting he was not fired. bill: thank you. we will debate that. martha has more now. martha: good morning. what is your take on all of this? >> we will find out more as the day wears on and find out more when we know whom the president appoints to succeed hagel. but i find it not credible he was not forced out going to the list of some of the disagreements he made clear he had with the president over isis, which was a big deal. those in his command express similar misgivings like adding ground troops. my guess is that was clearly some tension between the pentagon and the white house and mike's vacation is the president probably had enough of that. he was elected to downsize

bob gates, who was the deputy of national security advisor, has repeatedly whether they want to listen or not, warned anybody in humant never before history had a major empire great powerthout a war ensuing. never before in human history had chaos not filled a power vacuum. around the surging world in 19 89, it had all the makings of a chaotic year. oftenas a year most retold by historians as a story of crowds, crowds marched, regimes fell. this version have a nice warm feel to it. it gives the crowd agency. it makes us feel good thinking that democracy and people have real power. will hitchcock message summed up this thinking when he wrote that gorbachev did not give freedom, they took it. this is a nice warm version of events. do not get me wrong. crowds matter. success or failure ultimately rested in 1989 in the hands of gain --that strove to , and keepat bay repression at a minimum. fed up by decades of repression, eastern europe's crowds marched. powerng so, they returned, and over events back into the hands of the leaders they despise, the leaders who, therefore, had one more fat