the new name on the white house is short listed for the job is reportedly this man, jay johnson, currently the secretary of homeland security, formally the general counsel in president obama's first term. johnson is well-liked in the administration, talked about everything from a potential supreme court nominee to a potential attorney general, so even though it is soon after taking over at homeland security, the possibility of him being moved out of there and instead named to run the pentagon, that's not an inconceivable thing for someone like jay johnson. as fascinating as that is, though, as everyone gossips about musical chairs and who likes who, before we get to who replaces chuck hagel, maybe the best conceivable outcome here is the fight over the successor could be occasion to fight over important policy opposed to just letting it run on auto pilot, never debated, never voted on by congress, just leaked to the new york city times as a done deal while democracy looks on as if decisions about starting and ending wars have nothing to do with us. apparently, we are getting another year o

the president and jay johnson met to make sure the full muscle was behind executive order. and here's how the president summed up the action the day he signed. it >> they are living in the shadows and having the risk of families torn apart. and for years we haven't done much about it. today, we are doing something about it. (applause) >> reporter: an interesting tidbit it was secretary johnson who drafted the executive order in his officer computer. >> interesting what option are the republicans considering to diminish the president's action. >> reporter: they are considering watering down the policy by attaching a bill that must be passed to avoid a show down. the republican may not fund certain departments that enforce the order. this will be discussed in a house republican only committee on wednesday. >> peter, thank you so much. >> overseas to turkey, government officials deny syrian activist claims that isis used their territory to launch an attack on the city of ka bani. most civilians have managed to escape but a small number of syrian rebels continue to battle isis

let's have a listen to what jay johnson had to say. >> i'll say one thing about executive actions. as the president has said many times. legislative action is always . but we waited now for years for the congress to act. the congress has not -- >> do we have any new t when the president or if the president is going to do something on immigration? we know the president is going to be giving an address in las vegas onaftern las vegas is in a state where there's a large community of immigrants, and it seems very likely all signs are pointing to the fact he's going to address this issue on friday afternoon. >> let's talk a little bit about hillary clinton. ny news? >> there are democrats who a sm chance she could decide not to run or she could delay an announcement. it's looking like after the first of the year, hillary clinton will start unveiling her strategy as the presidential candidate. one thing she's likely to mention, as we're hearing from democrats, is talking more about how she would be the first female president. that's not something she emphasized a whole lot in 2008. she w

johnson had thoughtful discussions. it's reported that johnton met with the president five different times this summer and it was johnson who eventually drafted the executive orders oh. remember, it was dhs that had to deal with housing and feeding and otherwise caring for tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors who flooded across the border and overwhelmed several southern states earlier this year. back in march we just learned there was a meeting where the president hosted immigration activists which the time describes as not going well because no matter what the president said, these activists apparently wanted more and more done to stop deportation. and the impact of dave brat defeating eric cantor is being felt again in the wake of the president's executive action because after cantor went down, in part because his constituents didn't believe he was strong enough in his stance on immigration reform, speaker boehner saw president obama at a white house event honoring pga golfers of all things, and it was then that

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the new name on the white house's short list for the job is reportedly this man, jay johnson, turcurrently the secrey of homeland security, former general counckoun counsel at th. he's been tauktded about as everything from a potential supreme court nominee to a potential attorney general. so even though it would be a little soon after he took over at homeland security, the possibility of him being moved out of there and enstid beings named to run the pentagon, that is not an incon sooeable thing for somebody like jay johnson. as fascinating as all that is, as much as everybody likes to gossip about musical chairs and who might get who's job and who doesn't like who, before we get to that, before we get to who replaces chuck hagel, maybe the best conceivable outcome here is that the fight over chuck hag hagel's eventual successor might actually be an occasion to fight other this important poll circumstance as opposed to letting it all run on autopilot, never debated, never debated by congress, just leaked to the "new york times" as a young deal while the democracy looks on impotently as if

. >>> homeland security secretary jay johnson huddled in secrecy all summer long before president obama took -- on immigration. that advised the president on the legal limits of his powers. peter? >> there were five meetings this summer where the president and homeland security secretary jay johnson sat down at the white house to figure out how far an executive order could go without breaking laws or violating the institution. according to an article in "the new york times" today. it cited that it was to the beat of then house majority leader eric cantor in part because of his position on immigration and because of the tens of thousands of minors that changed the president's calculus from waiting for congress to pass legislation to wanting the fix the system on his own. the times piece also reveals that president obama was told by dhs secretary johnson who ended up writing most of the orders, that he couldn't protect 7 million immigrants with executive action even though that's how many a comprehensive senate bill would have covered, but there were things he could do to protect 5 millio

the president's plans unveil -- jay johnson spoke moments ago. >> i'll say one thing about executive actions. i do not want and will not get out ahead of the president. the announcement he'll make in the coming days but i will say this. as the president has said many times, legislative action is always preferable but we waited now for years for the congress to act. and the congress is not acting. >> joining me live now nbc news senior political editor mark murray. we got a quote from the michael steel. this is the spokesperson for house speaker john boehner. we know the parts are moving. >> absolutely. the biggest giveaway from jay johnson the dhs secretary as well as the comment from john boehner's office is we know this is coming soon. of course, it will end up creating a big political fire storm. it's know what this has to do with. it has to do with prioritizing deportations. there are currently 11 million undocumented immigrants who are living in this country. the united states doesn't have the will or the resources to round up all 11 million. the president, according to most law

i'm glad the congressman mentioned jay johnson. the department of homeland security will be a big part of this and how they choose to administer it will make all the difference. >> good ef evening. i'm chris hayes alongside rachel maddow and this is msnb kprrks's special coverage on president obama's speech to the nation. there are crowds outside the white house and we should not gloss over the fact that this was something that was genuinely brought about by grass roots act vic vic ism. >> it is really -- there's an old adage in politics, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. it's very similar to don"don't , don't tell". they weren't quiet.

>> yeah, including hhs secretary jay johnson who said just this morning that this was going to happen in the next couple of days and two sources did tell me it's happening tomorrow. this is not a huge surprise because the white house had been indicating that the president didn't feel there was any need to wait. we know that there had been pressure, including harry reid who said let's get this done now. the white house simply doesn't believe that waiting until after some of these other lame duck session issues are settled helps the situation at all. and they've been telling me, white house officials for more than a week now that the president plans to be aggressive. so i think it's important to say, ronan, there are a couple of aspects to this. one, obviously, is a legal aspect. and lawyers in the justice department have been working for a while now to figure out how far do they think the president can go? what is their best advice to him? and that's what -- that's some of the information they've been waiting to get, i should say that on the other side of this, the republican lawyers h

. >> reporter: today, jay johnson will go to texas to talk to security officials there. wheen mile, the president is heading to talk to las vegas where he will sign the orders later this afternoon. back to you. >>> we're monitoring events in missouri where a grand jury decision could come at any time in the police shooting case in ferguson. police there remain on high alert. there were more arrests in ferguson last night as protesters wait to learn if officer darren wilson will be indicted in the shooting death of michael brown. eric holder is out with a new message as police departments here in the bay area and around the country prepare for similar protests. he's urging police to engage with demonstrators in a respectful manner. >> in most cases, these demonstrations have been both meaningful and responsible and have brought vital issues to the attention of the public at large. similarly, the vast majority of officers have defended their citizens engaged in these peaceful protests. >> if the grand jury decision does come today, we still may not hear about it until sund

jay johnson the former council for the dod. >> ivy league debate. who are smarter students at harvard or yale? >> jesse waters went to find out with a help of a special guest. >> who is smarter harvard students or yale students. (laughter) >> what's so funny? >> have you ever heard of the gruber controversy? >> i take you beers ev -- -- ub every day. >> you don't like fish it's grouper. >> jonathan gruber. >> you know mcgruber. >> i thought you were dead. >> the group dating? >> and you are gina? >> gina, what's up? >> i apologize. >> your major is economics? >> he wrote the healthcare law and he's at mit. >> he's the mit professor that called you stupid? >> what? >> no, i have not. >> what's your name? >> emilio. you have no idea who gruber is? never heard of it? >> scared her away. >> what is putin doing that is making everyone so nervous these days. >> invading ukraine. >> immigration. >> is that it? >> he is doing executive order instead of going to congress. >> how do you feel about that? >> i like it. >> you lock your doors? >> trying to love

and homeland security secretary jay johnson denied mr. obama is exceeding his. >> i am satisfied that our reforms are within our existing legal authorities, and they will address a number of things, including border security. >> the president's order will shift the priority of deporting illegals away from those whose children are born here. it will shield about 5 million people from deportation, but immigration reform groups say that's not enough. and texas senator john cornyn says the order won't stop the people who benefit most from the broken immigration system, transnational cartels. >> they traffic in children, they traffic in drugs, they traffic in weapons and the like. and the president's executive order does zero, zip, nada to shut that down. >> majority leader harry reid says the answer is for the house to vote on the bill the senate passed with bipartisan support. >> yes, sir. >> republicans in the house would allow a vote on the bill we passed here, posed many months ago. would pass overwhelmingly. >> republicans differ on how

and jay johnson was the one that organized the department of defense. he knows how to get these kinds of things done. and i believe this will up stand any scrutiny. look, if what they want to do is play politics with this, then they will not act. >> i think that's pretty clear that's going to be the case. >> a secret service made it possible for an intruder to break into the white house, including a secret service officer who was on his personal cell phone at the time. plus, my interview with joan sturt ahead. >>> we learned today the former chief of massey energy has been indieted on four counts of laws related to explosion in west virginia that killed 29d miners. the diemt states in part blankenship participated in an understanding that perpetuated these practices of routine safety violations in order to produce more c, al and make more money. i interviewed don blankenship not too long ago. it's posted on our web site. go ahead and check it out. >>> breaking news tonight on the laxness of the secret service. just releasing a summary of its only intern

. >> they took their hats out of the ring and we are hearing about jay johnson, head of department of homeland security. i wonder what you think of these candidates and what you think of him? >> i don't think he has the experience as the other candidates that have withdrawn. he was the general counsel in the department of defense. i think the obama administration will likely try to find somebody who is not independent of them as the throw previous secretaries voiced different opinions given the fact that they are trying to control the strategy in isis. my recommendation would be former senator joe leiber man. >> we are up against a hard break, happy thanksgiving to you and your family. we'll talk to you soon. >> same to you and your family. >> thank you. i have a cold with terrible chest congestion. better take something. theraflu severe cold doesn't treat chest congestion. really? new alka-seltzer plus day powder rushes relief to your worst cold symptoms plus chest congestion. oh, what a relief it is. here we go! thank you. ordering chinese food is a very predictable experience. i or

so jay johnson announced a stepped up scrutiny for those people who apply to come to the united states. so if you have a dual passport, if you're a dual citizen, you have to declare that as well as any aliases you may have traveled under. >> so members of congress are calling for an end to the program entirely. any reaction from the white house to that? >>reporter: the white house has been against that and has been for quite some time. these are not new calls, tony. as you well know -- and this new step today comes on the heels of increased security, tightened measures on the part of homeland security. remember, they announceded in the wake of the attacks in ottawa in canada just two weeks ago, beefed up security at federal facilities around the country. >> all right. mike, appreciate. thank you. >>> dramatic video out of turkey to show you showing fishermen pulling bodies out of the water after a boat capsized off the coast of istanbul. more than 20 bodies were found and more than a dozen are still unaccounted for. >>reporter: it must have been a terrifying end to what would have been

jay johnson saying in part: part of the issue here john is duel citizenships. they could travel to iraq and syria to fight, for example, on the side of isil, and the united states and the other governing entities wouldn't even know they were there because they have more than one pass port. an estimated 1,000 individuals a month are traveling to the region to fight for isil. other forms of scrutiny include asking individuals, trying to determine whether they have ever traveled under an alias. so another indication of rising concern about foreign fighters in syria and iraq. >> mike viqueira reporting. mike, thank you. >>> there is concern about recruitment in north america to fight overseas. in canada one young man become radicallized without her parents knowing about it. >> reporter: growing up in calgary, dame -- damion was bright. but as a teenager, things started to change. >> i think he was just trying to find where he fit. and it was difficult. he struggled. once he hit about 15. he started keeping more and more to himself. >> reporter: at 16 damion dropped

jay johnson says the situation in central america remains the same. >> reduce poverty and violence is still there much of illegal migration is seasonable it peaks in the early summer. so we are determined to do more for border security. they believe they will be allowed to stay and for the most part he is right. they have to go through the legal process it will take at least a year for the minors who show up to court. immigration courts will be backlogged more than they have been in 20-years. the documented minors who don't show up for court won't be ready ill will i tracked down. >> a number of people headed to the border should document including dennis michael lynch. >> the documentary they come to america. they look how easy it is to cross. >> joining me is dennis michael lynch. do you believe we will see a new surge of immigrants coming across the border as a result of this struggle that is playing in washington? >> first of all the surge hasn't talked. they still come in they are coming in as you and i pespeak right now. amnesty is about to take off. they are petrified because t

tonight the short list of candidates includes homeland security secretary jai johnson. the former top pentagon lawyer. his key role in prompting obama's immigration executive action, could mean an explosive confirmation hearing. ashton carter, a former pentagon number two, well regarded but with limited international experience. >> the next secretary of defense is going to have big shoes to fill. >> reporter: a top priority for whomever is chosen, dealing with the war on isis, caught between president obama's no troops. republican john mccain, a leading voice for a more assertive military strategy against isis. >> there's going to be a gradual escalation, they'll have to send more over there, air controllers on the ground, special forces people. we're going to have to have trainers. >> reporter: one advantage for choosing johnson, he is already steeped in isis, telling cnn in a recent exclusive interview. >> the new phenomenon i see that i'm very concerned about is somebody who has never met another member of that terrorist organization, never trained at one of the camp

secretary jay johnson said the number of re jis has slowed but admits the problems and issues they represent remains. we'll be digging further to examine what's really going on and how this impacts us all. >> unsettling there. 5:23 right now on your tuesday. colin kaepernick may have captured the attention of many will in california, you'll have to let me know about that, but there's someone else who has stolen the hearts apparently of all the women across the country. a new poll to tell you about next. >>> you may already possess the key to your hotel in your pocket. >> registered guests can go straight to their room and unlock the door with an app on their device. >> who was your absolute favorite nfl player? a new study looks at which nfl player jersey is most popular in the united states? >> russell wilson holds down most of the west coast. washington, nevada, idaho and new mexico. drew brees and tom brady each claiming four states apiece as well, though interestingly brees tops brady's in vermont, which is patriots territory. >> as expected, colin kaepernick reigned supreme in californi

>> jay johnson, ash carter, former undersecretary of defense, perhaps carl levin, he was chairman of the senate armed services committee, the key is confirmation process and how much the president wants to expend any capital to get that person through. if it's someone from the senate orasenatorial body. glue how important is it to come from the military? >> not that important. in some areas this person had to run a grat bureaucracy. that was always the bar before. now that we've considered michelle flornoy, they don't have to come from the area but they have to understand the building, the pentagon. >> and international relations a long way right? >> i think this position is going to reflect to the world what the united states leadership role is, for the next would years. if it's someone reflected on internal things and the white house and budget the world might feel abandoned. i think the president has got to understand the rest of the world is going to think this is important -- >> how would you compare whoever's going to be the new defense secretary to past seacts secretary osecre

>> because i believe jay johnson secretary of homeland security who was the crafter of all of the measures that were taking to eliminate and dismantle don't ask don't tell his legal counsel mr. egggleston have come, the president was sincere, in spanish they say [ spanish ] not a worst person, right? he didn't want to see it, he wanted to desperately to work with republicans, he wanted to get a bill he understood that was the best way to craft it so he wasn't looking at those options -- >> look i understand -- >> antonio the president never really looked at all of the options thoroughly until john boehner called him in june of this year and then he began to call me and others in and say, he even said at the meeting i had with him in july, luis i want to get this right, would you meet with my staff, i want you to understand that i believe i can do what you want me to do. because he is not going to do everything i asked him to do. >> i understand your frustrations, i understand his frustrations as all these multiples efforts have failed, senate bill that passed with some republican support b

and jay johnson was the one that organized the department of defense. he knows how to get these kinds of things done. and i believe this will up stand any scrutiny. look, if what they want to do is play politics with this, then they will not act. >> i think that's pretty clear that's going to be the case. >> a secret service made it possible for an intruder to break into the white house, including a secret service officer who was on his personal cell phone at the time. plus, my interview with joan sturt ahead. sturt ahead. you had to go deep into the cupboard. embarrassingly deep. can this mismatched mess be conquered... by a little bit of dish liquid? it can if it's dawn ultra. it's more concentrated... ...just one bottle has the grease cleaning power of two bottles of this bargain brand. here's to the over-extended family gathering. dawn, it's amazing what a drop can do. . >>> we learned today the former chief of massey energy has been indieted on four counts of laws related to explosion in west virginia that killed 29d miners. the diemt states in par

i know you spoke with homeland secretary jay johnson. any comment from him about those comments or other things? >> reporter: well, you know, secretary johnson, the head of homeland security, is following the issue of isis, fighters that may be inspired by isis operating here in the united states. and he is saying that type of lone wolf attack, someone inspired by isis in the united states, a lone wolf attack could hit with almost no warning. i want to you listen at some length what he had to say about this point. >> the new phenomenon that i see that i'm very concerned about is somebody who has never met another member of that terrorist organization, never trained at one of the camps who is simply inspired by the social media for literature, propaganda, the message to commit an act of violence in this country. and our government has become pretty good at detecting terrorist plots overseas against the homeland at the earliest stages. >> so think about what he's saying there. this is not like al qaeda in the old days going to training cam

the front-runner seems to be jay johnson. this is, of course, someone who has a relationship with president obama. he recently spearheaded the immigration reform policy that mr. obama just announced. but, again, i am told the president hasn't made a decision yet. he wants to make one as soon as possible, though. now, other names that we are hearing, include bob work, he's the current deputy secretary of defense. ash carter, the former deputy secretary of defense and also navy secretary ray mavis. of course, you will recall there is just a big headline about this, steve. michelle, she took herself out of the running this past week. she had been seen as the frontrunner. she would have been the first woman to hold the job. she cited family concerns when she took her name out of the running, but there are also some reports that she had other reservations, particularly after chuck hagel apparently clashed with the administration. that had been widely reported and, of course, we heard all the conflicting statements. now, the decisi

johnson, for example, saying you need to show more discretion with the border patrol agents. they shouldn't be chasing illegal immigrants that have parking tickets. chase down illegal immigrants and make the border more secure by going after illegal immigrants who are parts of gangs or terror suspects. obviously they should have been doing that before. one of the questions from congress in the days ahead is why did the president have to put a memo out telling the border patrol to focus more on hardened criminals who are illegal immigrants instead of others, greta. that will be one of the questions. >> ed, thank you, we will be waiting to see what the president says. republican lawmakers though are furious tonight, vowing to fight back against the president going alone and using executive action or presidential memos. fox news chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel continues our coverage live from capitol hill. mike? >> greta, leading republicans and some others here on capitol hill are critical, saying instead of working together, president obama is going it alone. ho

the new name on the white house's short list for the job is reportedly this man, jay johnson, currently the secretary of homeland security, former general counsel at the pentagon. he's been talked about as everything from a potential supreme court nominee to a potential attorney general. so even though it would be a little soon after he took over at homeland security, the possibility of him being moved out of there and instead being named to run the pentagon, that is not an inconceivable thing for somebody like jeh johnson. as fascinating as all that is, as much as everybody likes to gossip about musical chairs and who might get who's job and who doesn't like who, before we get to that, before we get to who replaces chuck hagel, maybe the best conceivable outcome here is that the fight over chuck hagel's eventual successor might actually be an occasion to fight other this important poll circumstance as opposed to letting it all run on autopilot, never debated, never debated by congress, just leaked to the "new york times" as a young deal while the democracy looks on impotently as if the

homeland security secretary jay johnson is on the short list. joining me now nbc's political editor kari dan. why was flournoy a top contender and how her dropping out complicates things. >> flournoy was considered even in the minute after hagel's resignation was announced to be the frontrunner. she was a previous defense department official. she cofounded a think tank that viewed as a training ground for future administration officials. she was well respected both as a white house and on the hill among some republicans. so many republicans, in fact. one reason i think the administration may end up expanding that initial short list is because she would have had, i think, a relatively smooth conformation process based on her previous reputation and would have been the first woman and provided the administration the opportunity to make history with the pick. >> especially with the department of defense. thank you very much. >>> and developing now we're keeping an eye on the weather on this. the busiest travel day of the year. giving you a live loo

jay johnson says a growing economy will also be a draw for illegal immigrants. what will all this mean for the deportation process? ronald gold berling is a former national deputy chief of the u.s. border patrol, and he is my guest today. great to have you on for the very important question about what the president is going to say tonight about border patrol. many people feel like there is already not enough help on the border, that the patrol agents are overworked and that they can't keep up with the influx of people coming in. what will the president's message tonight do to make that either better or worse? >> well, fwrechen, thaur for inviting me on. i absolutely believe it will make the situation much, much worse. i see the president is sprinting toward a prescipus ready to go off a live, and is he ready to take us down with him. first, do no harm. when it comes to comprehensive immigration reform, it's better to have no reform than to have bad reform. i lived through the immigration reform and control act of 1986. i saw the mistakes maid then. in 2003 when

the names we've heard are jay johnson head of the homeland security, ashton carter who is deputy secretary of defense. what is interesting about this, criteria will be somebody who has power within the building, can work within the pentagon also is trusted by the president. the position of secretary of defense, the fourth this president has had is such fascinating to look at extent to which president wants to get his hands involved on detail level but then also no president can be in charge and control of everything. first meeting at the pentagon president said to then secretary of state bob gates, i think of myself as parallel parking. in other words i'm coming in there, two wars going on, host of hold over policies from the previous administration, i just want the fit myself in between what is going on. now you've had three secretarys of defense all leave saying they felt micro managed like the white house was controlling everything. new person who comes in as to figure out whether they're go to have autonomy or seen just as puppet of the president. >> o'donnell: michael, is this sort of

. >> reporter: earlier this year on "meet the press" jay johnson, while insisting federal law will be followed, also admit these refugee children pose a unique challenge to immigration policy in its current form. >> we are looking at ways to create additional options for dealing with the children in particular consistent with our laws and values. >> reporter: two walk-in refugees come in each. >> many of the children know that their parents are here somewhere and they're looking for them. >> reporter: supported by several protestant and catholic churches, they have given legal help to 65 unaccompanied minors just since june. >> if they don't have representation, legal representation, they'll probably be deported. >> the idea of welcoming refugees, welcoming strangers, that's part of who we are. >> reporter: reverend ben daniel is pastor in oakland, one of the local churches that supports east bay sanctuary. >> i get frustrated when i hear people suggesting that children risking their lives to come here, 12 years old, 8 years old, whatever, these people -- to say that these people are

johnson as defendants. several republican governors, including bobby jindal of louisiana and rick perry of texas have threatened similar suits. president obama's proposed reforms, though, are drawing a mixed reaction even from those who will benefit from it. for one so-called dreamer who came here as a child, his family can now dare to be optimistic. cnn's ana cabrera has more for you. >> we gave up our family to be a part of a bigger family here and sometimes that's heart. but now we're a little more included. it's a good feeling. >> angel oaxaca rivas is one of the so-called dreamers. the president's executive action on immigration provides hope for his family. >> true, however many years my parents worry about me that's how much i worry for them. >> reporter: the 1-year-old pre-med student dime the united states with his parents when he was just four years old. his younger sisters were both born in america. >> my parents, they're the ones who take care of me. why should they not have papers and i do? >>

several names in the mix, among them jay johnson, secretary of dhs, bob work, the current deputy secretary of defense, ray mabis, representative adam smith, goes on and on. you have one pick in that hat? >> i would say john mccain would probably be the name most respected in the senate as a defense expert. republicans would really follow him on whatever decisions that he made. that would really help us build a bipartisan defense policy against isis. >> seems whoever occupies that position would have to be an absolute obama loyalist. would you agree? >> i would be. i think hagel got fired because he was too strong in the world war on terror. the president wanted to be real weak. i understand in a recent visit that i did to gitmo secretary hagel was a bit slow in approving the release of terrorists from gitmo than the president wanted. that made me admire hagel more. >> what does this portends for a confirmation here. i assume that won't happen in the lame duck. >> jack reed and michelle flora have probably taken them out of consideration because they feel the president would be too weak on

johnson. the government will offer immigrants protection from deportation as well as work permits. he says they will be eligible for temporary protected status for up to 18 months. health officials say the ebola outbreak has killed more than 5,000 people in west africa. >>> the defense secretary chuck hagel says the islamic state is an unprecedented threat and iraq's new dpoft needs to do more to fight the militants. those are givens. now there's word iraq is joining forces with one of its neighbors to take on the terror group nap. celebrate what's new, the bigger, better menu at red lobster! with more of what you love! try our newest wood-grilled combination! maine lobster, extra jumbo shrimp, and salmon! so hurry in! and sea food differently. >>> there's word that israel will demolish homes belonging to the families of four palestinian attackers. that's according to the reporting of the associated press which cites palestinian officials and relatives in east jerusalem. two of those attackers

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let me just say this, jay johnson, secretary of homeland security. he's the one that was charged with drafting all of the rules and regulations at the department of defense to overturn don't ask don't tell. he knows what the legal authority of the president is. he views it, he used it in the past. let's look at last year. the.raised the minimum wage for federal workers. he intervened to make sure that women and men in the federal work force are earning the same salary. presidents have used the authority time and time again. i'm going to give you one last example. you'll remember this. in 1986 we passed the immigration reform and control act. 3 million people got amnesty. one thing about ronald reagan. he made the process simple. come, join, sign up and become american citizens. he granted amnesty to 3 million undocumented. there are 1.5 million people that ronald reagan and george bush protected a million and a half people from deportation because they were left out of the legislation in '86 until we fixed it in '91. republican presidents have used t

i'm glad the congressman mentioned jay johnson. the department of homeland security will be a big part of this and how they choose to administer it will make all the difference. >> good ef evening. i'm chris hayes alongside rachel maddow and this is msnb kprrks's special coverage on president obama's speech to the nation. there are crowds outside the white house and we should not gloss over the fact that this was something that was genuinely brought about by grass roots act vic vic ism. >> it is really -- there's an old adage in politics, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. it's very similar to don"don't , don't tell". they weren't quiet. they were very loud. >> and they didn't just attack the people who they were most day metrically opposed to. she talked about this decision that they came to when they realized that they were banging their head against a brick wall when it came to talking to republicans like john boehner who, inarguably, were the most bang for their fight. so they said we're going to go after our allies instead of

i know the names floating out there, jay johnson, ash carter. >> it probably don't matter because at the end of the day because the white house micromanages, because so many of the decisions are taking place in the white house, this person is being seen as somebody to follow through on that. there are some names that are a little stronger. i mean ash carter is a very tough, independent guy, and if they picked him, they would be sending a message that they do want diversity of opinion more than it seems to right now. >> let's move on to the crises that we're facing in the coming years. a lot of presidents want a legacy of foreign policy. president obama seems to be concentrating on domestic issues but these crises are going to slap him in the face. isis isn't going away, syria is not going away, ukraine is not going away. just take us forward here. >> the scary thing is that we have a series of crises and we have adversaries who think that there's a weak president in the white house who's not going to act against them, and i think that's true of vladimir putin. i think that's true of

i know the names floating out there, jay johnson, ash carter. >> it probably doesn't party because at the end of the day because the white house micromanage, because so many of the decisions are taking place in the white house, this person is being seen as somebody to follow through on that. there are some names that are a little stronger. i mean ash carter is a very tough independent guy and if they picked him they would be sending a message that they do want diversity of opinion more than it seems to right now. >> let's move on to the crises that we're facing in the coming years. a lot of presidents want a legacy of foreign policy. president obama seems to be concentrating on domestic issues but these crises are going to slap him in the face, isis isn't going away, syria is not going away, ukraine is not going away. just take us forward here. >> the scary thing is that we have a series of crises and we have adversaries who think that there's a weak president in the white house who's not going to act against them and i think that's true of vladimir putin. i think that's true of the a

you're also hearing jay johnson, the current secretary of homeland security, also close to the president, served as the general council for the pentagon. on the other hand, tied to the executive order. but i think ash carter, potentially, but it's sort of a tough sell. i think you now look at this broader list. >> and you've also got john mchue, someone was mentioning, i guess, was it -- i'm not sure who actually wrote this, writing joe liberman? >> well, there's been suggestion of joe liberman. i think thad be a surprise. but if you're casting a wide net, maybe you'd end up with somebody on our list and maybe somebody who would come ask be a surprise in a good way. that person makes a lot of sense. but, man, a tough job, short time -- >> thankless. >> and thankless. >> and thanks to you. the book is the invisible front. congratulations on the book, and all of your scoops and it's great to see you. >> thank you, andrea. >>> and today is the day when one lucky turkey gets pardon by president obama. mr. obama is going to carry out that tradition later on this afternoon. however, one unluck

homeland security chief jay johnson says executive action will happen by the end of the year. the president hasn't gone into the details, but overnight he was forced to answer some of the tough questions. >> what you now believe are your limits so you can continue to be packed as president and not as emperor or king. >> well, the -- actually, my position hasn't changed. when i was talking to the advocates, their interest was in me through executive action duplicating the legislation that was stalled in congress. >> have you received the legal advice from the attorney general about what limits you have and what you can do? >> yes. >> whoouts what those are? >> no. >> the president's plan expected to be announced by the first week of december. >> it's a mysterious polio-like disease that has now left 75 children across the united states paralyzed. the cdc officials are saying it resembles polio because the children are suffering from severe muscle weakness. the patients have also developed favors and respiratory problems similar to the interovirus which has sickened 1100 in the

reports say that homeland security chief jay johnson is being considered for the job. fox news contributor pete hegseth saying this earlier on "fox & friends." >> who would want the job right now, is the problem? after you mow through three defense secretary, shouldn't you be asking, maybe it's not them. maybe it's me? shouldn't the president be asking, am i the one pushing these guys out because of these ridiculous policies? >> the president's pick will be the first cabinet level change since the midterm election. >>> and a swedish extreme sports team making an unlikely and now life long friend. arthur the dog, following team peak performance. he was found deep inside the jungle. one member gave him a meat ball and the bond was sealed. arthur followed the team through the amazon until the trek was complete. he likes meat balls. he must be italian, that dog. >> they have meat balls in the jungle? >> apparently so. >> that's something. >> thanks. >>> remember i told you about my parakeet. one day he/x÷dé2 flew into thet balls and he never recovered. they were in sauc

jay johnson -- >> a yes man. are you against the president's executive order on immigration? then you might be a racist. that explosive comment coming from this democrat. is he right? we'll debate it coming up next. >>> it's already being called the best performance of the year ♪ home of the brave >> 12-year-old patriot who took football fans by it's the purple pill, storm. >>> if you're against the president's executive order on immigration, according to one democrat, you're a racist. >> the president since george washington has had the executive authority privilege to do certain things. he's not doing anything that bushes, the reagans, the clintons, and other presidents all the way back to eisenhower, as it addressed immigration. this is just a reaction in benny thompson's words to a person of color being in the white house. >> all comes down to skin color, if you oppose it. with the nation on edge after riots in ferguson, is it right for congress to fan the flames with this rhetoric. we have two guests this morning. >> good mornining. >> as a democrat, do you agree with

now topping the revised list, jay johnson, who has experience dealing with isis on the domestic front. and the former number two at the pentagon, ash carter. now when the white house finally does settle on someone who then says yes and the white house has said that they want to pick someone soon, they will still have to wait until sometime in january when a new congress is installed and there is a republican controlled senate to begin confirmation hearings and then the confirmation vote. and this could be a longer process than they want when dealing with isis. it could be february before there is a new defense secretary. >> erin mcpike at the white house. thanks so much. >>> did you skip the lines and the fist fights, perhaps? i hope so, for those black friday deals? well, you may not have missed out on all the deals just yet. why today may actually be the better day to hit stores. unitedhealthcare is it's a the quality company.out i do believe that unitedhealthcare has been with me every step of the way. at unitedhealthcare, we've been serving the needs of medicare beneficiaries for

johnson wrote to support the ratification of the constitution. so that work is part of the, you know, the whole great books curriculum here at st. john's. i've been thinking about the federalists for a long time. my first paper at grad school was about it. it will come out we hope in a few years. first we've got to get the contract. and so this is -- these are subjects that are important to me individually but have a connection to both the institution and the city where we're meeting today. let me start by saying something about -- so i'm actually going the start by saying something about the title. james madison's ticklish experiment for those of you who weren't here this morning is essentially the problem of constitution making or alternatively, the role of the people in constitutional revision. and so what i want to spend this lecture discussing is the nature of constitution making as a process in a mad isisonian ligh. i'll refer to a couple of federalists that you should have discussed this morning. i bet you the federalists in audience, what

maybe jay johnson. he's got debra james. ashton carter. a number of folks in place that can do that. it's got to be somebody who can work closely with the president and advise the president. >> danielle who would you like to see? >> i don't have a preference. i'm going to agree with joe. happy thanksgiving to both of you. i think there's some great names mentioned already. i'm not quite as optimistic, if the president puts up somebody like an ash carter or jay johnson, that republicans in the senate still won't find a way to make it a more difficult confirmation hearing than it should be. i think there's some good qualified people out there who can take this position on. >> the immigration action, part of what has stoked the ire of the gop. the president using his weekly address to celebrate american diversity this thanksgiving. let's listen. >> we all share this day united by the gratitude for the bounty of this nation. and we welcome the contributions of all people, no matter their origin or color or beliefs, who call america home. and w