dubois and the student and her birth control clinics in the south were staffed by black people and were not at all coercive. people want to control their fertility and in fact loretta ross who has written about race and reproduction and is one of the people who has put together the framework for reproductive justice as a way that people are starting to think more about reproductive issues, she said black women have always said he used the opportunity to control their fertility more assertively than white women sometimes. i think when people throw around racism, they are reaching. >> guest: it's an easy way to a tax sanger applying modern standards and language we threw around casually now but if you look at the details it's far more complicated. she is almost always on the side of helping women of all colors. >> host: she was very progressive in other political areas and started out as a socialist. she always voted for -- she kept the socialist candidate. >> guest: her whole career began because she was working with her own family having issues. her mother had to many children she felt