it's the koran, sharia, and it's the hadid. that's where they get their rules of engagement and ideology. so if we don't identify the radicals for what they are and where it came from, we can not defeat it and the military today is not identifying it. >> let's talk about -- you live in pakistan? >> lebanon. >> okay. and you understand -- you studied the koran. let's take the literal interpretation of the koran, infidel, jihad, the things that are in there. if taken literally, does that lead to what robert spencer is talking about? >> yes, that's exactly what they lead to, jihad against the infidels. we have a saying in arabic. first comes saturday, then comes sunday. first we kill the jews, then we come for the christians. in the slam insist middle east, there is no tolerance to any other faith or group of people. we minorities in the middle east have been massacred, killed. my house was bombed. this is how i ended up in this country. as a refugee from the middle east. it was happening when my parents were refugees when i was a

you understand you studied the koran. let's take the literal interpretation of the koran infidels, jihad, the things that are in there. it is taken literally does that lead to what robert spencer is talking about. >> that's exactly what they lead to jihad against infidels. we a saying (speaking foreign language) first comes saturday then comes sunday. first we kill the jews then the christians. in islamic middle east there is no tolerance to any other group of faith or people. people have been massacred killed my house was bombed. this is how i ended up in this country as a refugee from the middle east. it was happening when my parents were refugees when i was a child newborn and here i am in america today and my people are still fleeing because of the intolerance of the islamic extremism. my past is america's future unless america wakes up now and takes the necessary steps, what are the necessary steps? >> identify the enemy by name in order for you to find the strategy to defeat it. right now we have the president of th

is blasphemy in the koran? >> there is no reference in the koran which prohibits muslims from drawing a cartoon or image of the prophet. this ruling came from the prophet himself, who was concerned about people idolizing him or worshipping idols. he was surrounded by idol worshippers, so he told people do not make any images of anything. and it's similar to what's in the ten commandments which says do not create engrave images. so the ruling came from that and the scholars extended it to saying we should prohibit all images of prophets or god. >> but it didn't start in the koran? >> it did not start in the koran. it is a prophetic saying. >> and is it taught that you're supposed to kill people who do it? >> no. the koran says that if somebody mocks your religion you should either walk away from them or dialogue with them. >> doctor this is what you deal with as a politician. you have a diverse community where you are. >> yes. >> you have teem saypeople saying i don't mean any disrespect but your faith is all ab

god in the koran allowed satan to speak. truth stands outs from falsehood. we are not threatened when people speak outs against us. reed by the name of he who created you, in the koran we as muslims, we honor the pain. we learn by the pen. so education expressing one self even when we gray with others, it should not constitute as a threat to us. when we threat to ourselves, when we do not allow people to speak their mind, there is no compulsion in religion. you cannot force people to like you. people like you, when they are convinced you behave, that is their choice that's protected under islamic law, under islamic faith and should be protected by islamic behavior today. >> a well-known muslim cleric in france went to the scene of the massacre, said they were barbarians, sold their soul to hell. then he added, i hope the french will come out solidarity. and not like in germany pickup nationalist antiimmigration parties are on the rise in europe. so is there any doubt and i'm sure you're afraid of this that this will lead to more you islam islamophobia? >> it

god in the koran allowed satan to speak. truth stands outs from falsehood. we are not threatened when people speak outs against us. reed by the name of he who created you, in the koran we as muslims, we honor the pain. we learn by the pen. so education expressing one self even when we gray with others, it should not constitute as a threat to us. when we threat to ourselves when we do not allow people to speak their mind, there is no compulsion in religion. you cannot force people to like you. people like you when they are convinced you behave, that is their choice that's protected under islamic law under islamic faith and should be protected by islamic behavior today. >> a well-known muslim cleric in france went to the scene of the massacre, said they were barbarians sold their soul to hell. then he added i hope the french will come out solidarity. and not like in germany pickup nationalist antiimmigration parties are on the rise in europe. so is there any doubt and i'm sure you're afraid of this that this will lead to more you islam islamophobia? >> it is a

the first word revealed in koran is read. read by the name of he who created you, and in the koran, we as muslims, we honour and learn by the pen. education, expressing oneself when we disagree with others, it should not be considered as a threat to us. it's a threat to us when we threaten ourselves, and do not allow people to speak their minds. there's no compulsion and reliage job, you can't force people to speak like you. if people are convinced they behave like you. if they behave the way they want that is their joys. choice, it's protected under the law and fith >>> a well-known muslim cleric went to the scene of the massacre and he echoed you saying the terrorists are barbarians and sold their soul to world. he said he hoped the french would not go against the muslim minority in europe. we have seen huge protests against muslims in europe, and nationalists parties are on the rise in europe. is there a doubt. i am sure you are afraid of this, that this will lead to islamaphobia. >> it's a threat. it is a threat to europe

the first word revealed in koran is read. read by the name of he who created you, and in the koran, we as muslims, we honour and learn by the pen. education, expressing oneself when we disagree with others it should not be considered as a threat to us. it's a threat to us when we threaten ourselves, and do not allow people to speak their minds. there's no compulsion and reliage job, you can't force people to speak like you. if people are convinced they behave like you. if they behave the way they want that is their joys. choice, it's protected under the law and fith >>> a well-known muslim cleric went to the scene of the massacre and he echoed you saying the terrorists are barbarians and sold their soul to world. he said he hoped the french would not go against the muslim minority in europe. we have seen huge protests against muslims in europe and nationalists parties are on the rise in europe. is there a doubt. i am sure you are afraid of this that this will lead to islamaphobia. >> it's a threat. it is a threat to european

he was addressed in the koran when they mock you, just be patient. be patient what they say about you or to you. and even in a very clear statement in the koran, chapter 25 versus 63, it says to the believers that when the ignorant address them, they say peace. so our response to mockery is a peaceful response. not killing, not avenge as these individuals have done. so yes, they have diverted from the religion that i and 1.6 billion people believe and live it. and therefore, yes, i agree with the president of france that they have nothing to do with our faith by millions of people around the world, including 5 million in france and million others in the u.s. and in europe. >> you know, we just heard the president of france say that these attacks had nothing to do with islam at all. the killer, the terrorist themselves say that is not true. that's exactly point. i want to read what cheri kouachi said and actually quote him today what he said over the phone. he said we are not killers. we defend the prophet with we don't kill women. we kill no one. we

he took the koran and certain texts. you have 113 stories out of the koran. 113 start with peace on you. one, there is no peace, butchering killing, this and that. without actually interpreting. i consider the first isis state saudi arabia. what they did, they canceled centuries of interpretation. you have four law schools of koran. >> there is nothing in the koran that says you can't depict mohamed. an interpretation, correct? >> correct. you have to go to scholars to interpret. there are competing idea. who ever is reading, as chris wrote, reading something can go and destroy a school. another person can build a school. competing idea. you have a policeman that was killed. defending free speech. and-up have actually muslim that killed him in name of koran. you have to empower the good ones. >> talking in the name of koran. as the i said there is no scripture. this is all interpretation about -- how you can depict the prophet muhammad. did they go too far? did "charlie hebdo" go to far? should they be more sensitive to

the sharia is yes, rooted in the koran but it is how the koran was interpreted by medieval muslim scholars. some scholars said women should be dressed with everything covered but the eyes and that became the norm. there is no verse in the koran that says blasphemers should be punished. there's one verse which says to muslims, if you hear god's verses being marked, do not sit with those people. it just says do not sit with those people who mock your faith. it doesn't say attack them or sensor them. so we should question sharia by even looking at the original source of islam, which is the koran. >> mustafa, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure. >>> if you read one article about this today, make it the islam's problem with blasphemy in "the new york times." very important piece. much more to say than we had time for. >>> up next, britney maynard's husband joins me to explain the next step he's taking in the battle for people to choose to die with dignity. >>> later, isabelle wilkerson. we'll explain why tensions with african-american communities and police might be more

the sharia is yes, rooted in the koran but it is how the koran was interpreted by medieval muslim scholars. some scholars said women should be dressed with everything covered but the eyes and that became the norm. there is no verse in the koran that says blasphemers should be punished. there's one verse which says to muslims, if you hear god's verses being marked do not sit with those people. it just says do not sit with those people who mock your faith. it doesn't say attack them or sensor them. so we should question sharia by even looking at the original source of islam, which is the koran. >> mustafa, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure. >>> if you read one article about this today, make it the islam's problem with blasphemy in "the new york times." very important piece. much more to say than we had time for. >>> up next britney maynard's husband joins me to explain the next step he's taking in the battle for people to choose to die with dignity. >>> later, isabelle wilkerson. we'll explain why tensions with african-american communities and police might be more of

the defense of the muslim man, koran concept of power and nights under the profit's banner. some of the out ladder have doctorates from recognized islamic universities and to john kerry to tell them their ideas have nothing to do with islam is comical. islamic terrorism is not caused by poverty, lack of education, sexual deprivation, psychological problems or lack of economic opportunity, western imperialism or western decadence or the arab/is really conflict. there are two kinds of jihad, terrorism and slowed penetration of western institutions subverting western laws and customs from within. and sentimentality. and penetrating western institutions the pentagon, cia. documentation to back a ball that. i am not sure i have time afterward. the pentagon cia, fbi, pbs, to the university's and islamic propaganda and famously and openly -- groups such as isis al qaeda and others are not state actors funded by state suggests qatar saudi arabia and iran. these two countries also provide necessary islamic support, framework, propaganda that spews forth anti-western and anti-american

i know something about the koran. you can find peaceful mentions, but basically as you say, islam and islamic terrorism feed on each other and all you had to do was find the world wide polls of september of 2001 that show how many muslims around the world supported the attack on the united states. my question is given all these years of political correctness given the kinds of things the yale muslim students association were saying in their fortunate the unsuccessful attempt to squash all the's appearance at yale, how long is it going to take? what will it take to convince the american people, to understand where we are going? you mentioned it took 30 years after 1917, 40 years for americans to understand soviet communism. i don't think we can wait 40 years for americans to understand the true nature of islam and islamic extremism. what will it take? >> i think the distinction might be a necessary fiction for political leaders but it doesn't hold out water, you are absolutely right. in fact i think the american public

there is 114 of the koran start with peace on you. what he wants to do about that i think the majority of muslim community around the world they apply they don't go to source but there is one state that go directly to the source that's saudi arabia. we don't do anything about them. they condemn, back in paris in the same time they whip lash 50 times one of their cartoonists. >> if i'm not mistaken someone today is scheduled to be lashed 1,000 times and to be sent away for ten years all for the same time of behavior that precipitated this. >> exactly. for me the first isis state is saudi arabia. i keep repeating this over and over. after september 11 after that country gave us al qaeda, bin laden 15 of the 19 hijackers were saudi, we didn't do much about them. we never pressed them for reform, to go back to the centuries of interterptation of the schools of koran that interpret every verse. they don't want to do that. they think they are the protector of islam. they are exporting more extremism than bread and oil. >> nor have we seen t

but koran is the foundation and the hadith serves as commentary and not all hadith is validated. >> i know you just received your first briefing as a member of the intel committee. i also know you're not going to tell me what was said or maybe you'd have to kill me. >> sure. >> but i want to ask you question. were you alarmed by the report? did it exceed your expectations? >> well, i certainly want to thank leader erer nancy pelosi for her vote of confidence in appoint megato the committee. what i will say is this -- it is very clear that our country has a lot of misperceptions about muslims in this country. my father-in-law happens to be the first elected judge. there are many in our state councils and legislatures and they are making positive contributions to american society. i think me being on this society has caused a stir with some, but for the most part democrats and republicans have been congratulatory and now that i'm looking at these reports and working with my colleagues on the other side it's time to get to work and keep the american people safe. >> congressman, our progr

support in the koran for what they're doing. >> as a guy that took down the it to get inside the mindset of the enemy? n critical to call them the

the verses in the koran, all the violent words are abrogated in the beginning of the koran. this is why the law is on the side of the radical also. what the radicals are doing are a twisted version of the koran. they are following in the footsteps of the prophet muhammad. the sooner we recognize this reality and have the courage to utter those words and deal with the problem the sooner we win the fight. >> allen, i want to ask you about this rally we're hearing about that's going to be outside dallas this weekend, that will involve a lot of muslim leaders, imams and other religious leaders who say they want to have a special recognition in standing with the prophet muhammad. they say that it's important it's a message of peace. do you think that will help to mend any fences? >> i hope so. >> or cross any divides we have here. >> where are the muslims speaking out whenever there's violence in the world whenever there's an act of world, where are the muslims speaking out against this. here it is. yet they're being criticized because there are a couple of speakers, including an

had bullets flying through the koran saying the koran does not stop bullets. that angered french-muslims as well as across europe. several international muslim groups filed lawsuits accusing the newspaper of blasphemy. it was at that time it essentially shifted over to the legal system. >> the magazine editor was very forthright about it saying this is their free speech right and said i would rather die on my knees. thank you for being here. >>> as we go to break, a look at outpouring of trib utes on social media for the 12 victims shot in paris today. we'll share some of those messages next. e♪ ♪but this...♪ ♪takes my breath away♪ >> bingo! >> darn it! i was one square away from winning that game. >> it's a shame sadie isn't here today she always wins. coulda won the big prize. >> you know, that could have helped her with some of jim's funeral expenses. >> there wasn't any life insurance? >> no, there wasn't. i'd been trying to convince her to call about the colonial penn program to make sure they had coverage but she was worried they wouldn't be ac

i know something about the koran. you can find peaceful mentioned in it, but basically as you say, islam and islamic terrorism feed on each other. and all you have to do is to find the worldwide polls of september of 2001 that showed him a muslims around the world supported the attack on the united states. my question is, given all these years of political correctness, given the kinds of things that the yale muslims student association were saying in their fortunately unsuccessful attempt to squash all these appearance at yale, how long is going to take? what will it take to convince the american people to understand where we're going? you mention it took 30 years after 1970, 40 years for americans to understand soviet communism. i don't think we can wait 40 years for americans to understand the true nature of islam and islamic extremism. what will it take? >> i think the distinction between islam and islamism might be a necessary fiction for political leaders but it doesn't hold water. you out so the right. but, in f

when that british soldier lee rig bee was killed beheaded his murderers cited the koran. this is basically it's better who have to have a dialogue to get to peace than sending more drones or going to war. the muslim world needs to stand up and issue a serious fat with a and seriously acknowledge what is the koran that is supporting these murders. >> john, what does it get you tip towing around the term? by the way, the non terrorist taliban according to the white house they just murdered three american contractors a couple of days ago. so they do not respect -- they are emboldened by weakness on our part are they not? >> i hear you and let's fake it it's understood that national defense is the president's prerogative but i think we somewhat overrate this. if president obama's lack of rhetoric or lack of rhetoric from the administration was lake making us less safe it would fall up in heavy falling market falling u.s. dollar. we all believe in market signals and i think those market signals are saying the lack of rhetoric really doesn't mean as much as as is presumed. >> s

. -- koran is a source of violence -- where in the koran they get this? >> if you are asking me if the koran is a source of violence for groups like isis, of course it is. it has verses that can be construed towards violence and those that can be construed towards peace. but we tend to emphasize the violence. every person of every faith in the history of the world does. we bring values and norms to scriptures, we do not extract them from our scriptures. it is an important point to make because if they are trying to make the point that islam is responsible for violence and -- in islam's name, he must be prepared to accept that islam is responsible for the good things carried out in islam's name. that is the difficulty of talking about these issues of islam as a unitary idea, that it promotes this or prohibits this these are nonsense phrases. islam is what a muslim says islam is. a muslin is anyone who declares himself to be a muslin. yes, it is true that isis is muslim and the "charlie hebdo" attackers were good muslims. but it is also true that the people

offense and it's action must be within accord of what is permitted for a muslim, purse unite to the koran. >> these guys think they're acting in the name of god. >> and they're greatly misguided and the vast majority of the muslims in the world need to do much of what is being talked b there is a need for reform the average understanding of the koran and the tradition of the prophet mohammed the way we solve that problem is democracy, increasing literacy of the average citizen who happens to be a muslim the prime mary target of terror, so they can push back against radicalized ideologies that oppose the tradition of the prophet mohammed. >> brook, your take on it? >> what we saw is an attack on the ability to exercise our free speech. that is because terrorists understand the freed km of the press is the greatest weapon we have against tyranny. they want us to fear for our lives when we debate terrorism and root causes and in this case theology. it's lambism. they know if we speak freely about these issues and write cartoons and that debating the root causes we'll be able to understand th

carson, if the foundation is the koran part i have a little bit of problem with. before your blood pressure explodes, we fight for the constitution every week here and the very first rights the founders protected were the right to religious freedom and free speech, both rights mr. carson exercised mr., but i question whether the liberal prog sifs are going too far. i sure hope this grand experiment of liberal tolerance and political correctness works out because if it fails we're screwed. the far left is trying to reshape america and i for one like it just the way it is. have a great weekend, everybody. have a wonderful weekend everybody. gerri: hello, everybody, i'm gerri willis and this is the "willis report," the show where consumers are our business. food police strike again. wendy said no more sod todays with kids meals. what is next? no more fries with that. >>> police indict a couple when they let their kids go home from school alone. they say it is child neglect. they say they know how to raise their kids. >>> southwest is fined for letting passengers get

most muslim scholars say that's in contradiction with the koran and the region. the aim is to keep peace in the society. none of that matters to the mind of extremists that takes literature and acts on their own grievances of humiliation, by taking the lives of innocent people. the third point is they don't see their lives in this case who are prepared to die in the pursuit as ending. they have a version of their life continuing in the afterlife. they believe they are prominent and famous in this world and rewarded in the next world. >> how do you counteract that ideology but is ideology that men and women subscribe to? >> the good news is this has not been an ideology that had purchase among the vast majority. this is an ideology that has appeal among young modern muslims. we have to ask where does it come from. we see it is financed and exported from saudi arabia and young muslims from campuses and prisons and on the websites are lured by it. the response should be two fold - one where it happens, prisons, university campuses websites and two to uproot it where

carson, if the foundation is the koran part i have a little bit of problem with. before your blood pressure explodes, we fight for the constitution every week here and the very first rights the founders protected were the right to religious freedom and free speech, both rights mr. carson exercised mr., but i question whether the liberal prog sifs are going too far. i sure hope this grand experiment of liberal tolerance and political correctness works out because if it fails we're screwed. the far left is trying to reshape america and i for one like it just the way it is. have a great weekend, everybody.e following program is a paid advertisement for the shark rocket brought to you by euro-pro. >> [ british accent ] this is my newest dyson slim ultra-light vacuum. >> and this is my shark rocket. it's also an ultra-light vacuum. >> well, my dyson has no-loss-of-suction performance and go-anywhere versatility. >> same no-loss-of-suction and same go-anywhere versatility. and i did my research. i found that independent lab testing proves my shark rocket can truly deep

>> the koran itself doesn't say anything. it is accepted by all islamic authorities the prophet muhammad and all the other prophets cannot be drawn or produced in pictures. they are infallible individuals, and therefore should not be presented in any manner that might cause disrespect for them. >> is there any history of illustrating them? we did just hear from the editor and chief of charlie hebdo that says there's a long history in islam there is a prediction of the prophet. >> if there was, that would have been condemned by the scholars of islam. >> this particular color we're talking about, is it the fact the prophet is on the cover, the fact he is crying people will find offensive? >> i think it's the concept. the guys at charlie hebdo are a bunch of individuals who feel they have the liberty to make fun of anybody. i think that to muslims is very offensive, you cannot choose to target this or that religion. if you don't believe in sacredness of the divine that's your business but you cannot provoke or incite hatred or v

that's a koran! they're swearing in on a koran. no, it's a crin bible. loobls we staifd off sharia law for one more congressional session. but it's coming. the senate changed hands been known to happen before. now that the republicans hold the nation's most deliberative body, what lofty goals does the senate aspire. >> incoming senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said to the "washington post" he wants republicans to not appear scary, his words. ( laughter ) >> jon: sure wouldn't want to-- sure wouldn't want to startle folks. ( laughter ) with any sudden movement. ( laughter ) ( applause ) oh, yeah, he's wearing-- that's exciting. he's wearing his-- he's wearing his festive swearing in shell. it's a replica of the rotunda. capitol dome. well if nothing else, a party change will at least bring some fresh new blood to senate leadership new finance committee chair will be-- 80-year-old orrin hatch. the new judiciary chair will be 81-year-old chuck grassley. the new armed services chair, 78-year-old john mccain. agriculture chair 78-year-old pat roberts. e

carson, if the foundation is the koran part i have a little bit of problem with. before your blood pressure explodes, we fight for the constitution every week here and the very first rights the founders protected were the right to religious freedom and free speech, both rights mr. carson exercised mr., but i question whether the liberal prog sifs are going too far. i sure hope this grand experiment of liberal tolerance and political correctness works out because if it fails we're screwed. the far left is trying to reshape america and i for one like it just the way it is. have a great weekend, everybody. >>> our homeland security declaring we're dealing with a new template for terror both here at home and abroad. belgium raises its terror alert and deploys troops to dozens of potential targets today. this in the wake of arrests against terror cells. across western europe authorities are racing to find more ses spects with links to islamic treatment mists determined to strike. we're live in pairs with all the developments. >>> meanwhile, here at home for the first t

muslims cannot come out against the koran itself. even though there are a lot of peaceful verses in the koran in the beginning, all the violent verses at the end replace the peaceful verses. this is why when a radical and a moderate get into a debate together, the radical always wins the debate because the law is on their side. now, there is no one funding a moderate islamic movement around the world by the muslim world because they know what the radicals are doing is exactly what prophet muhammad taught and did himself. so for them to organize against what the radicals are doing will be basically to organize against what the commandment of their -- >> so then who do we rely on to speak out about it? >> while we can rely and encourage the moderate muslims to speak out and against the radicals, we must depend on ourselves and rely on ourselves only to protect ourselves while they sort it out. we cannot leave ourselves vulnerable in the face of attacks of deranged, crazy, religious zealot individuals who are killing themselves in the p

. >> even though they have their bible or koran, whatever religion they are, they'll still hide dope in it and weapons in it. you'll find razor blades stuck up in the bindings. you know, everybody finds god in prison. this is where he's at. come on in. >> but we've met some inmates who seem very devout even as they grapple with the realities of their crimes. ♪ >> it was in the middle of central california that we heard the sounds of the muslim call to prayer emanating from a cell at kern valley state prison. jose garza and rahan bhutto explain to our crew how their religious practices aren't hindered by prison bars. >> at 5:00 we come up and do prayers and then we just begin our day like that. >> so talk to me a little why this cell looks so different from other cells we've been in. >> half islam is based on cleanness. >> we have to be clean, so, you know, we keep ourselves clean and well organized. islam is in here or street is the same. >> but bhutto and garza had more in common. >> i'm charged with murder first degree, so as far as details, life without possibility. same thing.

all the individuals, treat this k k koran like a driver's manual. if they look at mohammed on some instances, but some instances, he cannot be a moral guide and that is why maajid and the rest of us who were brought in the house of islam, we need to stand up and to say, in many ways the prophet mohammed cannot be a moral guide. that is what charlie hebdo was doing. if we want to be a part of civilized society, we have to say the prophet mohammed, especially in years after medina, he cannot be a moral guide for good. he was from our 21st century perspective, absolutely immoral. we have to satirize that. >> maajid. as somebody who's still in the muslim faith, how do you respond to that? >> i distinguish between fundamentalists and the twins, the islamists, both attempt to impose islam either on their personal family lives or in the case of islamists, all of society. and then i also talk about jihadists who use force to spread islam im. on the one hand, there are conservative muslims. i agree the vast majority who are not islamists, conservative muslim

i am not( expert on the koran or islamic law, and what is the basic for that belief? >> look i'm not ap islamic expertlp either b, but the word blasphemy appears no word in the koran and the old testament in the bible talks about it a lot, and says that the blasphemists should bee1e1 stoned to death. the koran has no injunction that you can't show an image of the profit mohammad, and there nd-- of the prophet muhammad, andÑi the idea that blasphemy is so central to radical islam does not appear ate1 all. it is a laterxd invention, and this is the most important part, some of the government tas are very good in criticizing theçó terrorist s terrorists in standing in solidarity with france, they themselves have on the books lawrk against blasphemy, and they, themselves, jail and ha ras people for quote, unquote blasphemeing the religion or the prophet or things like that so you can't play both games and say blasphemy is terrible and punish and be surprisedjf whene1 the radicalÑhk islamists take the laws into their owncetáy turkey has done it, and indonesia has don

but most experts of the koran -- skpim and i'm not one but have been reading on it -- say the koran doesn't state that. how do you or anyone kind of overpower the message that is being sent by these extremists or islamists that you talk of? >> that's a sophisticated question. thank you very much for that. i think there is real powerlessness. the real powerlessness is actually exercised vastly on muslim subjects and citizens who don't have liberty to even discuss this idea that we're discussing now. but i think we are much more empowered in secular pluralistic democracies, in liberal democracies than we think we are. we are empowered because we can demand our governments, those individuals we have elected as the people to start pressing and defending our ideals. i'm a muslim i'm a british muslim. but i enjoy all liberty of belief and expression in the united states because of the principles enshrined in the declaration of independence. when president jefferson was planning the declaration of independence he used the idea of an imaginary muslim. in those days that was such an unthinkable and

the koran has versus that cane con through-- construed towards violence t also has verses that can be construed towards compassion and peace. the problem here is that we tend to ignore and heighten the other. so. >> rose: we dothr they do? >> everyone does. everybody does. every person of every faith in the history of the world that has a scripture does regardless of what religi it is. we bring our own values and norms to our scriptures. weon't extract them from our scriptures. and in this case i think it's very important point to make. because if someone like elliott abrams is trying to make the point thatslam is somehow responsible for acts of violence carri out in islam's name, then he must also be prepared to say that islam is responsible for all the good things carried out in islam's name. that's really the difficulty of talking about these issues of islam as som kind of un tear idea that islam promotes this or islam prohibits this. these are nonsense phrases. islam is what a muslim says islam is. and a muslim is anyoneho declares himself to be a muslim. so yes it's true. isis is

the koran has versus that can be con through-- construed towards violence t also has verses that can be construed towards compassion and peace. the problem here is that we tend to ignore and heighten the other. so. >> rose: we do thr they do? >> everyone does. everybody does. every person of every faith in the history of the world that has a scripture does regardless of what religion it is. we bring our own values and norms to our scriptures. we don't extract them from our scriptures. and in this case i think it's very important point to make. because if someone like elliott abrams is trying to make the point that islam is somehow responsible for acts of violence carried out in islam's name, then he must also be prepared to say that islam is responsible for all the good things carried out in islam's name. that's really the difficulty of talking about these issues of islam as some kind of un tear idea that islam promotes this or islam prohibits this. these are nonsense phrases. islam is what a muslim says islam is. and a muslim is anyone who declares himself to be a muslim. so yes it'

if they read the koran, they will find out that that is part of it. and i would think it's being newsworthy __ absolutely infidels, as far as the muslim religion is concerned. host: martin, an independent color __ robert, an independent caller. caller: i think it has a lot to do with the attack __ he spent years, you know, advocating afghanistan. can i take a few seconds to comment? host: you know what, robert, let's stick with the topic. caller: i will respect at. host: randy in wisconsin, a muslim american. randy, what do you think of this? are you familiar with "charlie hebdo"? caller: yes, i'm very inclined with the cartoons. but i look at it like this __ it seems like the french government stole a play out of the american playbook. they're trying to get their secret agenda across, too. this is like a baby 9/11. a baby 9/11. now they're going to pass all these new policies and anti_policies against muslims, like they always do. which i don't think __ it doesn't add up. it doesn't add up. they are leaving ids in the car. this post be professional?

and its bible, the koran, spells out with precision the details which form the basis of their law and culture. it is a faith buildup on the acknowledgment of one god, whose name in arabic is allah. throughout the muslim world, it teaches a unifying peace through submission to allah's will. even its physical appearance gives a unity to the middle east. most of the middle east is a desert, an extension of that great, dry world which extends from the sahara desert in the west to the gobi desert in central asia. the sun burns down unremittingly, with a searing heat through most of the year. water is scarce. annual rainfall throughout the area is less than 10 inches. high winds bring frequent sandstorms, so severe that they block vision. the land and climate dictate the most severe of the region's problems. the inhospitable desert is uninhabitable except for nomadic tribesmen. who camp around oases where there cattle can graze. most of the people live by farming the narrow, crucial bands of fertile land which stretch along the few rivers. most of these farmers are sharecroppers, heavily in

and its bible, the koran spells out with precision the details which form the basis of their law and culture. it is the faith buildup on the acknowledgment of one god, whose name in arabic is allah. throughout the muslim world it teaches a unifying peace through submission to allah's will. even its physical appearance against a unity to the middle east. most of the middle east is a desert, an extension of that great, dry world which extends from the sahara desert in the west to the gobi desert in central asia. the sun burns down unremittingly, with a searing heat through most of the year. water is scarce. annual rainfall throughout the area is less than 10 inches. high winds bring frequent sandstorms, so severe that they block vision. the land and climate dictate the most severe of the region's problems. the inhospitable desert is uninhabitable except for nomadic tribes in -- tribesman. most of the people live by farming the narrow bands of fertile land which stretch along the few rivers. most of these farmers are sharecroppers, heavily indebted to the wealthy landlords who own the g

there are no verses in the koran per se that prohibit that. there are some texts which the sunnies regard as divinely inspired and authoritative which are against depictions of most humans and some animals so i think maybe the publisher of cat fancy magazine should be in some fear tonight. but i think cartoons and you know comic depictions of all of our leaders religious political, educational you name it are fair game. >> it strikes me that the role of comedians and satirists may have changed over the past few hours. we laughed at your jokes we like to laugh at what do you. you entertain us. but your art seemed to have been raised a level today. it's importance seems to have -- its importance seems to have been raised a little . can you talk about the importance of freedom of speech? >> well, yeah. that phrase was sort of misused in the whole controversy about the sony film recently poop movie studio that's a subsidiary of a hardware company is an independent vehicle from a satirical magazine. a movie studio makes a decision every day about w

. >> hold the koran up, read this every day. mcquay says his koran has helped him grow spiritually, the other books in his cell have helped him grow physically. >> every day i do me some curls. i do these. i do shrugs. back arms like this. like this. probably about 55 or 60 pounds. >> mcquay has spent years trying to earn his way back into general population. but his history as a violent offender continues to haunt him. >> i engaged in an emotional response to be an offense. >> i was warned when i came into this job about leonard mcquay. he is very smart, very very clever. he can talk a great talk. >> caseworker beverly gilmore has serious questions about mcquay's trustworthiness. her goal is to give inmates an opportunity to prove themselves she made a controversial decision. she gave him a job in his housing unit. >> i did make him a sanitation worker. that was to the dislike of some of my supervisors, they thought i had lost my mind i would never let him get out of his cell. i said, let's give him a chance. i talked to leonar

. >> help me understand what they are finding and where a big run they get this -- in the koran they get this. >> if you are asking me if the koran is a source of violence for groups like isis, of course it is. it has versus that can be construed -- verses that can be construed towards violence and those that can be construed towards peace. but we tend to emphasize the violence. everyone in history does that has a scripture. we bring values and norms to scriptures, we do not expect them from our scriptures -- extract them from our scriptures. it is an important point to make because if they are trying to say that islam is responsible for violence and islam's name he must be prepared to accept that islam is responsible for the good things carried out in islam's name. that is the difficulty of talking about islam as a unitary idea that it promotes this or prohibits this, that is nonsense. islam is what a muslim says islam is. yes, it is true that isis is muslim and the "charlie hebdo" attackers were good muslims. what the people fighting isis are muslim the people they are attacking ou

we'll continue to implement the koran and prophet muhammad into our legislation. >> reporter: one of his first acts was to set the chain of success. by royal decree. his half-brother was affirmed as the immediate assessor. he appointed his nephew as deputy crown prince second this line to the thrown. the prince is the first grandson of saudi arabia's founder to be named as future air. he's a powerful figure behind saudi arabia security policies. >> the interior minister is an expert on counter-terrorism. that's a signal that the kingdom is going to be very focused on internal security and regional security. and it's a region in transition. the rein begins against the backdrop of a war in syria. the advance of i.s.i.l. all issues of concern to saudi arabia long seen as a pillar of stability in the arab world. >>> well to discuss saudi arabia's change in leadership i'm joined from riyadh by editor at large for the newspaper. thank you for being with us. good to have you on al jazeera. king salman though his remarks give a reassuring message of stability. we are seeing a new generation