number one is scott walker. >> scott walker. they call him mr. unrecallable. winner of three elections in four years, no matter how many staffers went to jail. he is wisconsin governor scott walker. >> that is big. that is big. scott walker right now i would like to say, we're having a scott walker moment in this country after his performance in iowa. lots of buzz. lots of people excited. his father was a baptist preacher. he is sort of having a moment, but i would not overstate it too much. jeb bush looks like a really formidable candidate. if i was deciding between scott walker or jeb bush, i would go with jeb bush. >> whammy pick, we have to do the whammy pick. >> i think josh wants me to take jeb bush, i'm going with scott walker. >> strong whammy pick. we still have hillary clinton on the board and another whammy. >>> in 2008, the glass slipper was a perfect fit on the kid from ohio. will 2016 be another cinderella story or will the clock strike 12. >>> round one, to candidates bulldog: mattress discounters presidents day sale! get up to four years intere

number one is scott walker. >> scott walker. they call him mr. unrecallable. winner of three elections in four years, no matter how many staffers went to jail. he is wisconsin governor scott walker. >> that is big. that is big. scott walker right now i would like to say, we're having a scott walker moment in this country after his performance in iowa. lots of buzz. lots of people excited. his father was a baptist preacher. he is sort of having a moment, but i would not overstate it too much. jeb bush looks like a really formidable candidate. if i was deciding between scott walker or jeb bush i would go with jeb bush. >> whammy pick we have to do the whammy pick. >> i think josh wants me to take jeb bush, i'm going with scott walker. >> strong whammy pick. we stillnv6yú have hillary clinton on the board and another whammy. >>> in 2008, the glass slipper was a perfect fit on the kid from ohio. will 2016 be another cinderella story or will the clock strike 12. next. ♪♪ expected wait time: 55 minutes. your call is important to us. thank you for your patience.

that was about scott walker. on that same key, cher wrote on twitter, chris christie is an obnoxious man and malicious bully. he's got a couple of members of the pop culture attacking republicans. when this happens is it good or bad for republicans? >> i've got a three dimensional answer. first blush, bad, you don't like to be attacked by somebody famous. second blush good. in the republican party it's good, good to be attacked by liberal celebrities. that third blush, bad, it ties campaigns in knots, makes you look uncool, like you don't get pop culture. even though it might help new you a little bit to win the nomination it's a distraction. , not a good thing. >> and it sort of depends, obviously it depends on who the performer is. when reagan did this to bruce springsteen in it was bad. 1984, he said i emulate this guy and he's rejecting me. it's good sometimes for moneys republicans to get attacked by members of the elite, like this is saying, i believe in this band and they turn around kick you in the shin.

number one is scott walker. >> scott walker. they call him mr. unrecallable. winner of three elections in four years, no matter how many staffers went to jail. he is wisconsin governor scott walker. >> that is big. that is big. scott walker right now, i would like to say, we're having a scott walker moment in this country. after his performance in iowa, there's lots of buzz. lots of people excited. his father was a baptist preacher. >> he is sort of having a moment, but i would not overstate it too much. jeb bush looks like a really formidable candidate. if i was deciding between scott walker or jeb bush, i would go with jeb bush. >> whammy pick, we have to do the whammy pick. >> i think josh wants me to take jeb bush, i'm going with scott walker. >> strong whammy pick. we still have hillary clinton on the board and another whammy. >>> in 2008, the glass slipper was a perfect fit on the kid from hawaii. will 2016 be another cinderella story or will the clock strike 12? thanks for the ride around norfolk! and i just wanted to say geico is proud to have served t

i think that is true of scott walker. i am actually starting to hear your theory from other republicans, and that his positioning in the republican party may be just about right, because he is to the right of jeb bush a little bit. he's to the right of chris christie. and he's probably -- he can position himself if he wants to the right of mitt romney because you're they have quite sure where romney is positioned. but there's a question about him. he has won a lot of campaigns, but you just wonder what's the depth there? does that sort of last? how do these scandals, sort of scandals that have never quite gotten there in terms of campaign finance do those heat up? the connection to the koch brothers, maybe that helps him in republican primaries. i think there are some vulnerabilities there. he's the remainder guy in this race just like tim pawlenty. >> if i could. if the ethics stuff, the question marks around that if that doesn't heat up more i don't think the stuff that's come out so far is going to be hard for him to o

is it rand paul or scott walker? >> i've had people say to me in the end the field will be whoever the nominee is and ted cruz meaning ted cruz would be perhaps the kind of figure who would say in and be that voice of the far right throughout. sort of unbowed by the normal conventions of when to get out of a race. i think it's also interesting to see what would happen with jeb bush in terms of the donor network. i spoke to a finance director who said while the bush network has been loyal and it is expansive, it has also been a long time since bush ran for a national office. and there's a new crop of faces even in the donor class of the republican party who don't necessarily have those ties to the bushes and are looking for other candidates whether it's a chris christie or a walk other or a rand paul. and marco rubio. in some ways i thought i heard in the tones of romney about the new generation maybe overreach to marco rubio who has the double edge of dissing jeb bush his one-time mentor and opening up a path to a it

is it rand paul or scott walker? >> i've had people say to me in the end the field will be whoever the nominee is and ted cruz, meaning ted cruz would be perhaps the kind of figure who would say in and be that voice of the far right throughout. sort of unbowed by the normal conventions of when to get out of a race. i think it's also interesting to see what would happen with jeb bush in terms of the donor network. i spoke to a finance director who said while the bush network has been loyal and it is expansive, it has also been a long time since bush ran for a national office. and there's a new crop of faces even in the donor class of the republican party who don't necessarily have those ties to the bushes and are looking for other candidates, whether it's a chris christie or a walk other or a rand paul. and marco rubio. in some ways i thought i heard in the tones of romney about the new generation, maybe overreach to marco rubio who has the double edge of dissing jeb bush his one-time mentor and opening up a path to a

when we come back, we remade that scott walker video. you'll want to see your version. ♪ >> us being us, we watched scott walker's video over and over and over again today and couldn't help but notice he uses loads of all american nonoffensive stock footage. there's so much pre-shot americana in it we thought it looked like an ad for a stock video company. with that in mind, we made a few tweaks and came up with a brand new ad. >> america stands on the brink. at a time and place in our history where failed leaders preside over a nation adrift. foreign policy that apologizes for america and projects weakness abroad. to reclaim our destiny, we must turn to bold, fresh, new ideas. >> folks in washington like this top-down approach, it's old. we believe you should build the economy from the ground up. >> and that's what states like wisconsin are doing reducing the size and scope of government that cut taxes and create jobs. >> in america, we take a day off to celebrate the fourth of july and not the 15th of april because in america, we cel

i think that is true of scott walker. i am actually starting to hear your theory from other republicans, and that his positioning in the republican party may be just about right, because he is to the right of jeb bush a little bit. he's to the right of chris christie. and he's probably -- he can position himself if he wants to the right of mitt romney, because you're never quite sure where romney is positioned. but there's a question about him. he has won a lot of campaigns, krystal's right about that. but you just wonder what's the depth there? does that sort of last? how do these scandals, sort of scandals that have never quite gotten there in terms of campaign finance, do those heat up? the connection to the koch brothers, maybe that helps him in republican primaries. i think there are some vulnerabilities there. he's the remainder guy in this race, just like tim pawlenty. >> if i could. if the ethics stuff, the question marks around that, if that doesn't heat up more, i don't think the stuff that's come out so far is

scott walker would fall into this category. people are obviously in the republican party lukewarm on jeb bush for obvious reasons and mitt romney because he lost the last time. romney is trying to distinguish himself today by going after hillary clinton on foreign policy and jobs which is kind of rich considering how poor his job creation record was and how bad his foreign policy positions turned out to be in the last election. there's going to be a lot of fleshing out here before i think you see this settle out and you see favorites in some of these polls. >> ruth isn't a strong point for walker say what you want about the progressives and how upset they're been he can just fire back in one sentence. what do you think about that? >> i think that's right. i think it made him really powerful. it strengthened him. he is a candidate that interests the cokes. look, the coke brothers are going to spend as much money as a political party unto themselves. the very rich and their interests are represented in a way than they never have

scott walker decided to come to the aid of rick parry. ted cruz, because this prosecution have an effect on governor perry? >> he has a john doan governor christie has bridgegate. they weren't talking about these things. i saw perry, at a kosher deli in democrat, he is bringing the number energy, he has charisma. >> a sarah palin speech there got roundly panned and interesting little reporting color, folks throughing in the towel on sarah palin. was that your sense? >> i asked her on friday night, and she said she is seriously interesting but she is not making any moves in that direction. it is clear from her comments that she wants to play some kind of role. no one knows where she fits and conservatives are frustrated with her pitch and the way she goes after certain topics. >> after a speech on saturday scott walker leftize iowa and went to attend the koch brother's event. they are one of the biggest contributors to his election campaign for governor. they told the times that executors from the koch-backed group have worked behind the s

scott walker. bobby jindal. >> you think scott walker helped himself the most yesterday? >> i think so. he's less well known. he's thought to be dull. but in fact he's an impressive -- look the guy's been a good governor. mike lee, the senator from utah, not running, gave a speech yesterday and said, i'm the only guy up here not running. he said, i want a conservative who is positive principled, and proven. he went through that. intelligent. what is striking about lee is he said, i want someone who has shown he can win elections and then govern after winning elections. >> he's going to be a governor. >> i think people are underestimating in d.c., new york, the resistance to bush and romney. people want a fresh face. >> i wanted to bring that to you, donna brazile. i was watching on cspan yesterday. and i was struck. there was, i guess -- the former speaker of the house of new hampshire got up there. no one in washington would know him. he got up and started taking on romney and bush and got huge cheers from the crowd. >> i call them the legacy candidates. there seems to b

scott walker decided to come to the aid of rick perry. saying the prosecution is outrageous and sets a dangerous precedent. do you think this prosecution affects governor perry's standing in the race? >> maybe in a general election. but he's had a john doe investigation. chris christie has bridgegate. and now perry has his problems. they weren't talking about these things. i saw perry, at a kosher deli in des moines, he is bringing the energy. he has charisma whether voters really care at this point, we'll have to see. >> do you think, the last thing was the sarah palin speech there which got roundly panned by the folks there. all sorts of interesting little reporting color, folks throwing in the towel on sarah palin. was that your sense as well? >> i asked her on friday night, and she said she is seriously interested, but is not making any moves in that direction. you wonder what role she wants to play. it is clear from her comments that she wants to play some kind of role. that's why she's teasing out a potential bid. but no one knows w

>> well the two guys that we heard were ben carson, and they -- and scott walker, they did find that -- fine but they did not set the room on fire. they were talking about isis and their willingness to die, but the speech did not blow people away, it did not continue the hot streak he has been on with a lot of activists. walker last night at dinner was fine, but did not have an overall national message, but i think that his low-key style plays well to a lot of settings and the room last night, there were a lot of national media outlets, but i don't think anybody left the room upgrading walker's chances. had he been magical and set the room on fire, i think that would have been great, but he did not do it. >> scott walker always reminds me of tim valenti from two years -- four years ago. when you get in the room with him, it is not that he is not a good guy or a decent performer, but he is like a aaa baseball player and republicans need someone who is an all start to -- all-star to get hillary clinton, and i can't imagine they are going to get scott walker with their hopes and dreams.

walker both sid a lot about pro-life, and scott walker felt that it was important to tell the country that he defudgeded planned parenthood. that's not a mainstream issue. >> he went beyond that and created a story about taking on the unions. >> why do you have to show -- why is abortion 1u67 an issue -- >> our platform is pro-life. just like your party -- >> you know i've told you my voting record. it's not that simple. i've left of center i will admit it. >> i'm a political consultant. who shows up in primaries? democrat or right-hand are the most conservative, and frankly people know that and they've got to run that. >> you know what i'm against your party, and i don't want it to be a partisanship but i can't stand the fact that you fight too many wars and i think it was bad for our country, and the attempt by your party to repress black voting in this country. voting rights are sacred and you've got guys all over the country, republicans as republicans saying we're going to screw the black voters. so we we get in the partisan game i couldn't defend that if i were you, and i don't

it hurts scott walker. i never thought scott walker could raise serious money. next i think there's a chance that it hurts christie because suddenly these donors who have concerns, because of bridgegate -- if they have to choose between romney and bush. >> chris christie knows how to raise money. i think christie will have enough money to make a run and he's got skills the other guys don't have. >> paul ryan announced today he's not going to run for president. to me, the big winners are everybody who's in the nonestablishment bracket. we all assume that broadly the establishment leader will be the nominee. the party may have changed enough this year to give daylight to the anti-establishment wing. if those three guys are beating the hell out of each other someone like rand paul could consolidate the grassroots. >> these guys will be dominating the coverage. >> they will be killing each other. >> these are guys who care about policy in a serious way. you have had people like bob dole and john mccain who are not guys that get deep we immersed into policy. as i thi

a lot of talk about scott walker. where do you see the big benefit in the republican field from mitt romney getting out? >> so you're right, steve. it almost thrusts jeb bush to a front-runner position. which we haven't totally had yesterday. that's both good and potentially dangerous place to be. it makes her the big target for everybody else. we'll see how that plays out. it also gives an opening for crest christi. we talked about how he was squeezed out by this potential of a romney/bush battle. which donors will be leftover if he's fighting for the independent more moderate voters suddenly the door is cracked a little bit wider. his trip overseas here, for example. he's in london attending a soccer game. meeting with prime minister david cameron will bring it to him again. and skod walker burnishing foreign policy credentials and what have you, he's another one. if you look at the line that romney had in his call he is somebody who really represents a new face as well that will get another look. in part because th

it hurts scott walker. i never thought scott walker could raise serious money. next i think there's a chance that it hurts christie because suddenly these donors who have concerns because of the bridge gate -- if they have to choose between romney and bush. >> chris christie knows how to raise money. i think christie will have enough money to make a run and he's got skills the other guys don't have. >> paul ryan announced today he's not going to run for president. to me, the big winners are everybody who's in the nonestablishment bracket. we all assume that broadly the establishment leader will be the nominee. the party may have changed enough this year to give daylight to the anti-establishment wing. if these guys are beating the hell out of each other, someone like rand paul could consolidate the grassroots. >> these guys will be dominating the coverage. >> they will be killing each other. >> these are guys who care about policy in a serious way. you have had people like bob dole and john mccain who are not guys that get deep we immersed into policy. as i thin

for someone like a scott walker, i think it is a missed opportunity. you don't get national coverage, you are an elite leader who can beat hillary clinton? it is always been the case throughout my career. cuomo, ann richards, they get national attention, but most governors just can't. all right, coming up, we break down the gop big 3 -- christie romney, and bush. what are they thinking now? and a man from the donor class is here to answer those important questions when we come back. ♪ >> our guest tonight is a repeat guest. the first time he was here mitt romney was not running for president and paul ryan was a possible contender. now we are not sure on romney and paul ryan is out. jeb bush is probably in the. based on what chris christie said today, he could be in, too. but let's be honest. the big question is what are they all actually thinking? >> with us now, a man who knows them all quite well. he will give us a window into their thinking. dan senor. he backed romney in 2012 and knows a few big donors. thanks for coming back. let's start with go

not just scott walker but rand paul, and ted cruz. joining me now, a reporter for the new york times where he covers money and politics. what does it mean about what 2016 looks like post citizens united campaigns? >> you know it means this is the new normal it means we have institutionalized the presence of extreme wealth and politics on both sides of the aisle, certainly on the conservative side. the resources here are staggering. i mean that is really -- >> it's a lot of money. >> it's a lot of money. >> i remember getting the call i was like no that much? >> they plan things very methodically. it's going to be for state elections and so forth. >> this is the key point, though. this is something you've reported on very well. this isn't just writing a check, it's not a freelancing eccentric billionaire -- this is a methodically planned, organized, populated strategy that has an entire sort of interlocking set of institutional arrangements around it. >> it's fascinating, this is not quite a third party. the important difference is the

for someone like a scott walker i think it is a missed opportunity. you don't get national coverage you are an elite leader who can beat hillary clinton? it is always been the case throughout my career. cuomo, ann richards, they get national attention, but most governors just can't. all right, coming up, we break down the gop big 3 -- christie, romney, and bush. what are they thinking now? and a man from the donor class is here to answer those important questions when we come back. ♪ >> our guest tonight is a repeat guest. the first time he was here mitt romney was not running for president and paul ryan was a possible contender. now we are not sure on romney and paul ryan is out. jeb bush is probably in the. based on what chris christie said today, he could be in too. but let's be honest. the big question is what are they all actually thinking? >> with us now, a man who knows them all quite well. he will give us a window into their thinking. he backed romney in 2012 and knows a few big donors. thanks for coming back. let's start with governor chris

so chris is one of the leviathans of the republican bracket and scott walker also spoke at the republican meeting a last night, and christie is speaking at this hour, outside of that, is there anyone out where you are? >> the two guys that we heard were ben carson and they did not set the room on fire. they were talking about isis and their willingness to die, but the speech did not blow people away it did not continue the hot streak, and walker last night at dinner was fine, but did not have an overall national message, but i think that his low-key style plays well to a lot of settings in the room last night, there were a lot of national media outlets, but i don't think anybody really lit that room. had he been magical and set the room on fire, i think that would have been great, but he did not do it. >> scott walker always reminds me of tim valenti from two years ago. when you get in the room with him, it is not that he is not a good guy or a good performer, but republicans need someone who is an all start to get hillary clinton, and i can't imagine they are going to get scott walker wi

i think he has a shot -- scott walker. he took his first formal step toward a presidential run by filing paperwork to set up a committee which will help him bid for the white house. he's the fourth governor signaling intentions to run for the gop nomination next year. he follows chris christie who is all over the place, mitt romney who is definitely back in and former governor florida governor jeb bush will all be looking to run. back now with a former governor who has also run for president, howard dean, and christina and john. i want to ask you about the governors. i think beating obama will require winning on the executive issues. >> you mean hillary. >> beating the record of obama. i think they'll be running against obama. >> if the election were held today he's over 50 for the first time in eight months. >> takes a while to adjust. >> yeah it would be already. i do think, obviously i'm by yosiased biased. the only problem they have there's nobody with more experience in the country than hillary clinton. nobody. in doi

scott walker getting a lot of buzz, right? >> he did. this is unlikely to be a defining moment in the nomination race. but it was a good momentum-builder for scott walker who not only did this speech, impressed many in the media and many of the attendees who had not had an opportunity to hear him speak before. but it also billeduilt on the momentum already started by joni ernst, he's put those individuals on his team. and the grassroots operation that scott walker had going on at the freedom summit has been noted by a number of folks and continues to build his momentum in iowa. >> yeah, it's so interesting. this is what i love about politics and talking about it this far out is because we have no idea who the nominee is going to end up being. interestingly u/enough the two top guys right now, jeb bush and mitt romney in the polls, they weren't even there, right? >> yeah. i think what's so interesting about this year when it comes to republicans is they have no absolutely who they're going to nominate. typically it's always the next guy u

scott walker basically stole the show. he showed up got the best reviews, best response of all candidates there. anybody in that audience including chris christie that was there, and jeb bush skipped the event. it seems there's potential opening for scott walker because i think what the republican party is looking at is bush fatigue. they're looking at it two different distributions, reflected in lukewarm poll numbers. the first is pragmatic. do we want to nominate another bush. can we win doing that. the second as i said the tea party right, the anti-establishment base of the republican party that has a serious problem with george w. bush. and the ideological legacy of the george w. bush presidency. the idea. remember with george w. bush it was about compassion government wasn't bad government can be helpful, we want to do it right. no child left behind. expanded role for the federal government. when you got to the end of the bush years, the economy collapsed, poll numbers were down, iraq was a mess barack obama became pr

scott walker is an example of that. marco rubio, collected in 2010 -- a new face, young face, fresh face. i think it is interesting that governor walker is being thrown out there is a real possibility. i think he is thinking about it. trying to way -- trying to way when to jump in. since "the washington post," "the new york times," are covering mitt romney, jeb bush, someone like scott walker might benefit from jumping in. he will not have as much money as those candidates, but people start covering you when you are running for president or when they think you are running for president. it would be a good opportunity for him to bone up on foreign policy, and make the case that what he is done in wisconsin the leadership that the caller talked about, is something he would like to apply to the country. host: armand. richard. -- vermont. richard. democrats line. caller: my thoughts on the president -- whoever is president should not deny climate change. it is probably one of our highest priorities, and anyone that does not

for instance we know scott walker is finally there. what we also notice, both jeb bush and mitt romney are not. at least not this weekend. >> well, i think what it means is that, you know, jeb bush and mitt romney, they have -- they're just doing things a little bit differently. first of all, they have the name i.d. the voters know them. obviously mitt romney has run twice before. jeb bush seems to be putting a lot of his effort into his fundraising operation trying to sort of scare everyone else out of the pool. and when i say everyone else i really mean mitt romney and chris christie. those are his two closest competitors in terms of the same pool of money. and bush is launching a very aggressive fundraising operation. so he is focusing on that part. this isn't really his audience. i mean, particularly jeb bush whose ideas on immigration are much further to the left of this group, steve king, the congressman from iowa is very hard line against illegal immigration, undocumented workers. he will ask all the candidates who are showing u

scott walker is one of the big draws here. because of his record as governor of which isisconsin having been elected three times in his first term and then a third time recently he has the ability to unite the tea party and got collective bargaining reform in his state and had his establishment because he's a chief executive. he could be a really big player and perhaps even split the difference between jeb bush and mitt romney. a graphic of the people who said they are seriously pursuing it. some repeat candidates and we heard from donald trump. dr. ben carson the neurosurgeon who says he's looking into running now brought the crowd to its feet a number of times. today he emphasized immigration reform. anything that would grant amnesty should be abandoned by conservatives. >> you have to apply for it from outside of america. because you shouldn't get an advantage for breaking the lou. >> reporter: common core education standards president obama is under fire for having expanded are the two issues that conservatives are using t

but wisconsin governor scott walker recently caught a break. >> scott walker has the blueprint for winning and winning consistently and winning big in a blue state with conservative principles that are offered with absolutely no excuses. >> rush limbaugh's positive word gives him momentum. he generally defeated the far left at every turn. scott walker will have to go up against populous folks like chris christie and ben carson who speak directly to the voters. but walker and fellow governors perry and kay sich have very positive stories to tell. senator rand paul has remain add mystery to me. we've asked him on the show a number of times. he always declines. why, i don't know. it may have to do with his foreign policy outlook. senator marco rubio seems to have a bit moreomentum as he espouses conservative principles from a minority viewpoint. mr. rubio can certainly launch a vibrant campaign. that might put him up against his former mentor jeb bush who will run as a moderate republican. jeb bush best known republican able to raise a lot of money, the former governor of massachusetts will r

i want to go with scott walker. which makes his life easier going forward. >> you mentioned what it may mean. let's look at the record in the past. let's start with the gop. 2008, who won it? mike huckabee. 34%. mitt romney who became the nominee was second. in 2000, president bush won. steve forbes isn't that interesting, came in second. '88, bob dole, 37%. pat robertson was second. george h.w. bush, went on to become president. only 18.6%. let's look at your side. 2008, president obama, of course, stunning kind of knockout of hillary clinton there. hillary came in third past john edwards. everyone was saying what, a defeat for hillary. look at '92. tom harkin. bill clinton two-term president, 2.8%. richard gephardt won paul simon, the senator not the singer, in second place. and there is michael dukakis at 22.2% and he went on to be the nominee. what was that like? were you there in iowa as a top campaign official, how do you deal with that? >> hundreds of times i was there. the funny thing about '88, on the repub

but wisconsin governor scott walker recently caught a break. >> scott walker has the blueprint for winning and winning consistently and winning big in a blue state with conservative principles that are offered with absolutely no excuses. >> rush limbaugh's positive word gives him momentum. he generally defeated the far left at every turn. scott walker will have to go up against populous folks like chris christie and ben carson who speak directly to the voters. but walker and fellow governors perry and kay sich have very positive stories to tell. senator rand paul has remain add mystery to me. we've asked him on the show a number of times. he always declines. why, i don't know. it may have to do with his foreign policy outlook. senator marco rubio seems to have a bit more momentum as he espouses conservative principles from a minority viewpoint. mr. rubio can certainly launch a vibrant campaign. that might put him up against his former mentor jeb bush who will run as a moderate republican. jeb bush best known republican able to raise a lot of money, the former governor of massachusetts will

and scott walker says it is time for a fresh face. he will be speaking here tonight. and finally today, the rnc has decided the response to president obama's state of the union speech next week will be delivered by freshman senator joany ernst, who had a big victory in the election for the triumph of the republicans to take back the senate majority. she will respond to the president after tomorrow night. >> car cameron, live in san diego, thank you. >>> stocks fell for the fifth straight day, the dow fell 106, the s&p off 19, the nasdaq closed 69 behind. >>> the irs is not trying to win any friends. expect this tax season to be even worse than last year as excuses continue to pile up. chief congressional correspondent mike emanual looks at the embattled agency with more problems than solutions. >> reporter: during tax season they are warning that the taxpayer numbers are lower and getting worse. for example, more than half of the 100 million people expected to call this year will actually reach a person and callers to get through will likely wait a half hour and possi

scott walker of wisconsin, for example. as opposed to some of the more tea party candidates. >> yeah. that's a fair statement because mitt romney is not a tea party guy and those were not tea party votes. i mean, to the extent there was any core to the romney support i'm not sure there were. but bush and christie would benefit the most. >> let's talk about the governors. we have mr. walker, he went to iowa, had a big reception last weekend. good reception by all accounts at an event. and then gave a speech this week in washington with a very much outside washington, outsider message. i will clean up this joint. it's a big mess here, unreal. back in wisconsin, we know the score. that's going to be a big part of these campaigns isn't it? >> no question. scott walker is expanding his theme when he ran for re-election this year. he essentially posted as wisconsin versus washington. now he's taking that message national in the speech he talked about in d.c. he said it's great to be here. 68 square miles surrounded by reality. so

scott walker won three elections in four years. and if i was scott walker, i would be touting that to every donor i could find. >> on that point, you can't forget that a scott walker has a national base now. the national party galvanized behind those efforts. he is not going to start in the woods. >> the reason it starts so early is because of how expensive it is, the ways in which we call the invisible primary plays out. the big question, the $64,000 question in this primary is will it be the rule pertaining again that essentially the establishment candidt wins. >> we put in place rules that would allow for a longer process and to have more of an opportunity for people who didn't have money like a rick santorum or a newt gingrich, to come to the football and to be in play. the rnc is changing their rules and they have changed their rules to try to shorten the process. they don't want what they call the circus to take place again. if they don't, you know hit that top tier of cash, they will be treading water on money and the only t

scott walker did survive a recall, he did faced death threats. how you think it's going to impact the narrative that he will put forth in his own candidacy? guest: the fact that he has been through difficult campaigns for republicans, and has won three times in the last four years is very impressive. we need a candidate who can win a general election. that's a really important criteria. he has demonstrated he can do that. plus, republican primary voters tend to like governors and their records of a congressman. i think he will be able to find a broad audience in this. it sounds like he did himself a lot of favors yesterday with a speech there. he will be in new hampshire in a couple of weeks. he will be his first visited here and write some time. i think the be a lot of interest in him. host: he concluded by saying that he was going to come back. it doesn't matter what class you were born into. it does not matter what your parents did for a living. in america the opportunity is equal for each and every one of us, but in america, the ultimate outc

scott walker won three elections in four years. and if i was scott walker i would be touting that to every donor i could find. >> on that point, you can't forget that a scott walker has a national base now. the national party galvanized behind those efforts. he is not going to start in the woods. >> the reason it starts so early is because of how expensive it is, the ways in which we call the invisible primary plays out. the big question the $64,000 question in this primary is will it be the rule pertaining again that essentially the establishment establishment candidt wins. >> we put in place rules that would allow for a longer process and to have more of an opportunity for people who didn't have money like a rick santorum or a newt gingrich to come to the football and to be in play. the rnc is changing their rules and they have changed their rules to try to shorten the process. they don't want what they call the circus to take place again. if they don't, you know hit that top tier of cash they will be treading water on money and

among them, wisconsin governor scott walker. he got the crowd fired up with a pretty passionate speech. >> we need leaders in america who understand, who ultimately understand the measure of success in government is not how many people are dependent on the government. the measure of success in government is how many people are no longer dependent on the government. [ cheers and applause ] >> earlier today, scott walker took the very first steps toward the presidential run establishing a committee. the man himself, the governor from the great state of wisconsin. scott walker, you sound like a presidential candidate. are you going to run? >> well i'm very interested for very much the same reason that some five years ago tonnette and i sat down and ultimately prayed about the race for governor. back then we were afraid our sons were growing up in a state that wasn't as great as the one we grew up in. i'm proud to tell you many years later now because of our reforms, our state is better for them. i have the same worries about this c

. >> the wisconsin governor scott walker made a good impression. mike huckabee, sarah palin, ris santorum. if you need an early morning laugh, the donald showed up, to show he was serious about running like he said the last time and the time before. >> jonathan martin, let's put the donald aside. is it too otherly to say winners and losers or did somebody stand out and help themselves? >> from my conversations with the folks in iowa, walker did help himself. i think he's a pretty good fit for the state. he's from next door. he has a midwestern sensibility about him obviously and i think he's the kind of keynote that can bridge the conservatives and more center right wing of the party in a place like iowa where even the center right is pretty conservative. senator walker helped himself. cruz was solid. that's his ground. i think those two. it's really going to be a fascinating dynamic to see in iowa where you've got two candidates potentially in the race who have already won the caucuses the last two times. if they turn to huckabee or santorum or if

that's scott walker. scott walker is three times basically in a blue or purple state has beaten the democrats done what he said he was going to do hasn't trimmed and maybe made a little connection last weekend in des moines. i mean, i think in that sense you have to give him a little shoutout. >> woodruff: he certainly fits the definition of next generation. you want to defend yourself here? >> well, i felt bush was equally a good candidate. we don't need to re-litigate that race. >> woodruff: no. but i think the upper midwest is really important, winning that, and got asking being a governor is really important. the problem with walker was people thought he was a little too boring and, frankly, there's aptle look and people weren't sure he had the look. but if he can generate sparks that's something to look for. the general assumption it's jeb bush or mitt romney, some of the old guys, or hillary clinton, i toldly agree, i think she's way overpriced, so there's going to be a campaign that's going to be r

if you get mitt romney's financial backers behind scott walker, you end up having scott walker, someone who has won the state of wisconsin three times in the last four years, that could make a very intriguing match-up. >> you've got someone to talk to on sundays, don't you. thank you for that. let's get to the big board. steve kornacki you've been breaking down the data behind perhaps what the romney team was looking at. not only the donations, potential donors but also what people are saying. potential voters. >> let's start on the donor side and pick up the point that mark murray was just making. this pressure that jeb bush created, the need to raise money and get started quickly if he was going to run. let's look what's involved in that. this is the statement that jeb bush made back in december when he said he was interested in maybe running for president. read it carefully, i've decided to actively explore the possibility of running for president of the united states. actively explore the possibility. if that sounds legalistic it's for good reason. it is because jeb bush is up for s

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he still has to worry about chris christie and scott walker and marco rubio. we are starting to see that he isn't as much under jeb bush's shadow as we thought. >> reporter: the latest poll finds romney supporters largely up for grabs with bush former arkansas governor mike huckabee. >> it tells me republicans are not thrilled with establishment candidates right now. they are not thrilled with the establishment and it is a great opportunity for governor perhaps one we are not thinking of right now to step in and take control of this race. >> reporter: the other perspective candidates in various positions praising romney even as they circle about the donor base looking to coral campaign cash. >> the primary now is the money primary. one of the big reasons why the mitt romney announcement is so important is that this frees a lot of the establishment money that may float to the multiple governors because they are the establishment candidates. >> reporter: with a year to go before iowa caucuses seasoned gop hands caution that crowded field of candidates will likel

. >> reporter: wisconsin governor scott walker seemed to get the thumbs up from the crowd. >> time and time again the protesters were trying to intimidate us. >> reporter: walker used his three successful elections against big labor to tout what he called new leadership using conservative reforms outside of washington that work. >> we need leaders in america who understand who ultimately understand the measure of success in government is not how many people are dependent on the government. the measure of success in government is how many people are no longer dependent on the government. >> i heard the conventional wisdom. don't they know i am from new jersey. >> reporter: new jersey governor chris christie dealt with interruption in stride and showcasing his pro life with the conservative crowd. >> the notion that our party must abandon our belief in the sank sanctity of life in blue states to be competitive is not true. >> reporter: struck a populist blue collar tone. >> we need to be pro growth and pro worker. we need to be on the side of the american worker. one of our favorite sayi