lincoln or king. i don't know what the purpose of this is. somebody wants a little fight here. what do you think? who wants to pick up this calibration? >> i look upon jefferson lincoln and king in this perpetual dialogue about democracy. one without the other doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. if you look at lincoln's draft you know the declaration of independence in the way in which later on, rincon has his commentary on that king has his commentary on lincoln having a commentary on that that's the american dialogue. you can't take one of them out of it. king's speeches don't make any sense without lincoln or jefferson. >> it might be the bad american habit of always having to know who is the biggest or what is the longest. >> have a contest. >> yeah. >> let me ask you about what seems to be behind this being experts about these two gentlemen, what was it that they didn't say? let's start with the more recent dr. king. no start with lincoln. he said, all we wanted to do was prevent the expansion off slavery. that's all he politically knew he could do because they went

a, beethoven, president obama lincoln or c king tut? >> oh scott the reading is fantastic. >> i will go c. >> we have a little something of everything. >> make up your mind. is it a or b? >> do we find out the winner? >> oh really? >> look at that. every king knows his licorice. 1-0. in the olden days beer makers would add licorice to their brew to give it? a, deep, rich color. b, sweet taste. c, foamy head. >> a. >> i will go with you on that. why not? >> claude even, b -- claudine, b? >> all right. >> keep going. >> finish this lyric. >> oh yeah, i know this one. a, the killer combo. b, super snackage, c, crazy delicious. >> i don't know. >> i have gone with b every time so i am going with b. >> what is it? >> i give up. >> yay! >> i think it's a tie. >> all that's clear is that i lost. >> do we win something? i think we win something. >> mike wins. that's it. it's official. >> what does mike win? >> it's up there on the screen. >> wow, look at that. >> what does the loser get? >> loser gets black licorice. >> my mom loves black licor

and i'm it's not a king or lincoln scholar but studyied a lot of both of them. >> the way in which the "i have a dream" speech has become the standards people think about king people forget about the depth of his intellectual psychological sophistication. when released from the birmingham jail and you see the depth of his learningness and sharpness of his the logical in insight and lincoln as you said was really a life-long skeptic and not someone who would have maybe defined himself as a christian in many ways, yet he has this deep self-taught understanding of theology. they both use the text different differently. lincoln quotes ss passages. lincoln uses the bible as cultural glue these are phrases you recognize and help me with my audience the same as shakespeare used in the 19th century. >> king reads the good samaritan, brings the people into that story and say we have to find a way to identify with the other, not to think about ourselves but think about the guy lie ing the street. very different strategies but both very effective in their own way. >> i was thinking chris you ment

king do we know if he was a socialist or have any ideology at all? >> he was not a politician he wasn't very good at that because he was a visionary. the goals that he had in mind one of the things i vininvite you to do, there is -- in the latest book, "martin's dream" i have a chapter about the love letters he wrote to coretta when they were dateing back in 1952 and you get into the question was he a socialist? yes. he was a socialist a christian socialist, an anti-communist socialist. definitely a socialist, that's what they wrote love letters about, discussing bill ging bill lammy and looking backwards. one of the things he says is let u.s. work together to have a warless world better distribution of wale. these are obviously the things all of you wrote in your love letters, right? [ laughter ] it's very clear -- and by the way, it gets to the question of whether he's a politician, coretta kept those letters under her bed until 1997. that's why you probably don't know about the letters. can you imagine what would have happened to king's career if

a king or keep the democracy. he was a great president and he made really good decisions on the big things. lincoln became president when the whole question was whether the union would survive or not. a lot of people thought it would not. a lot of people thought the south had more talented generals and we would not hang around, the union would not hang around long enough. roosevelt had the depression and world war ii. but it also depends on whether the skills and the psychology of a person in a given leadership position -- this is not just politics -- actually fit well with the challenges of that particular moment. when i read all of these histories of the lesser-known presidents, some of them were suited to govern when they did and others had not -- would not be as successful had they not governed in the time that they did. a lot of people think franklin pierce was one of the worst presidents we ever had. if you measure that because he was elected right before the civil war and he could not stop the country's dri

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a king or keep the democracy. he was a great president and he made really good decisions on the big things. lincoln became president when the whole question was whether the union would survive or not. a lot of people thought it would not. a lot of people thought the south had more talented generals and we would not hang around, the union would not hang around long enough. roosevelt had the depression and world war ii. but it also depends on whether the skills and the psychology of a person in a given leadership position -- this is not just politics -- actually fit well with the challenges of that particular moment. when i read all of these histories of the lesser-known presidents, some of them were suited to govern when they did, and others had not -- would not be as successful had they not governed in the time that they did. a lot of people think franklin pierce was one of the worst presidents we ever had. if you measure that because he was elected right before the civil war and he could not stop the country's dr

lincoln or king. i don't know what the purpose of this is. somebody wants a little fight here. what do you think? who wants to pick up this calibration? >> i look upon jefferson lincoln and king in this perpetual dialogue about democracy. one without the other doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. if you look at lincoln's draft you know the declaration of independence in the way in which later on, rincon has his commentary on that king has his commentary on lincoln having a commentary on that that's the american dialogue. you can't take one of them out of it. king's speeches don't make any sense without lincoln or jefferson. >> it might be the bad american habit of always having to know who is the biggest or what is the longest. >> have a contest. >> yeah. >> let me ask you about what seems to be behind this being experts about these two gentlemen, what was it that they didn't say? let's start with the more recent dr. king. no start with lincoln. he said, all we wanted to do was prevent the expansion off slavery. that's all he politically knew he could do because they went